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False Teacher Characterics

What would you say are the characterics of a false teacher, preacher?

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"Those IN Christ are "in" by reason of the abolishing of the law, justification by the Father Who justifies the ungodly, and being in spirit one new man.

Paul never taught law-keeping.
---Phil on 10/28/12

AMEN!

"Christ is the END of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes", Rom 10:4
---Haz27 on 10/28/12


Matt 5:17. Do not think I have come to abolish the law and the prophets, but to fulfill them.
---Dorce on 10/28/12


Paul taught what he says in the Bible not what some people think he says by only using part of what he says.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
1Ti 1:8 But we know that the law [is] good, if a man use it lawfully,

We are not saved by the law. But the law has a purpose to define sin. This is what I read from Paul.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/28/12


Those IN Christ are "in" by reason of the abolishing of the law,
---Phil on 10/28/12

YIKES that is a some faulty understanding

Ephesians 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more
Colossians 3:9 Lie not one to another
Acts 15:20abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
1 Timothy 6:1 that the name of God..be not blasphemed.
Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother

I could go on and on, as you can see these laws are not abolished. If they were abolished why is Paul commanding then to those IN christ
---francis on 10/28/12


kathr, in your universal atonement nonsense, when you quote John 12:32, "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.", are there at this point multitudes in Hades awaiting judgement to be thrown into the Lake of Fire?

Even your universal atonement would say YES. So what becomes of John 12:32 promise from Christ? Ask any pagan or unbeliever and they'll laugh at your jesus christ because he couldn't draw those who are now in Hades.

Therefore, "all" in John 12:32 is particular and Christ said in John 6:37 "ALL THAT THE FATHER GIVETH ME shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." Who's the "all"? THE ELECT!
---christan on 10/28/12




---francis on 10/27/12 "Paul does teach obedience to the law / commandments of God"

Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, [even] the law of commandments [contained] in ordinances, for to make in himself of twain one new man, [so] making peace.

Those IN Christ are "in" by reason of the abolishing of the law, justification by the Father Who justifies the ungodly, and being in spirit one new man.

Those who seek to suppliment their salvation by grace with the observance of law-keeping of the flesh do so in vain.

Paul never taught law-keeping.
---Phil on 10/28/12


Sorry Tom, but Jesus is not Israel, Jesus is God.
---kathr4453 on 10/28/12

Can he be BOTH?
Hosea 11:1 When Israel [was] a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.

Matthew 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son
---francis on 10/28/12


Sorry Tom, but Jesus is not Israel, Jesus is God.

The new Creature IN CHRIST is just that a NEW CREATURE, not Israel.

The wall was broken down between Jew and Gentile, and in doing so We are a NEW MAN IN CHRIST a totally New Creation. The NEW MAN is not spiritual Israel, and is not earthly Israel.
---kathr4453 on 10/28/12


Galatians 3:27-29
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Abraham's seed and heirs according to promise are not those promises given to Jacob who alone is named Israel.

Abraham is not Israel, Jacob was, and Paul NEVER teaches teh Church is spiritual heirs of Jacob.
---kathr4453 on 10/28/12


difficult to understand characteristics of a false teacher because ministers of Satan are transformed into ministers of light. These false teachers act and speak as if from God (yet they are from Satan). Most of Christiandom quotes Gods word regularly however quoting a scripture does not make someone a teacher. False ministers are deceived by Satan to believe they are teachers from God. It is not characteristics that a Believer should use to determine a false teacher. It is the message. The Lord Jesus was a teacher teaching Gods 10 laws and a messenger spreading news of Gods government on earth, instructing his Apostles to spread message of Gods Kingdom to come. False teachers typically teach lasciviousness. Jude 1:4
---Follower_of_Christ on 10/28/12




Kathren, the spiritual Israel mentioned in the bible is Jesus Christ. He is the only heir according to promise. And to deny that Jesus is the promise is to deny his birthright to the promise.
---Tom on 10/28/12


Again christan, that is just the interpretation of Covenant Calvinism and you just happen to believe that doctrine over the Word of God.

Who so ever.

I believe faith comes before salvation just as scripture states.

You believe faith saved you, I believe Jesus Christ saved me.

It's PRIDE, like the Pharisee's, who believe they were born to be the elect.
---kathr4453 on 10/28/12


Again again christan, Jesus declared:



IF I BE LIFTED UP I WILL DRAW ALL MEN UNTO ME


If you only understood that verse, you would too understand John 3:14-17!

It's time to add more verses to your memory box!
---kathr4453 on 10/28/12


"In other words, a false teacher can be known by his pride" kathr

The difference:

How is it pride, when one confesses that he/she came to believe is because "it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth". That he/she does not have the ability because they're "dead in sins and trespasses" and unless God shows mercy and grace, he's finished.

As compared to one who says, "No, I'm not dead in sins and trespasses and it's up to me to decide if I want to be saved or not. I must exercise my free-will.", even though Christ explicitly declared,

"No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him..."
---christan on 10/27/12


What are the things Paul told Timothy to commit and teach, Follower?
---Phil on 10/27/12

Paul does teach obedience to the law / commandments of God

1 Corinthians 7:19 the keeping of the commandments of God.

Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law [are] just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

If timothy knows that paul teaches the law, he also must teach the keeping of the commandments of God
---francis on 10/27/12


---Follower_of_Christ on 10/27/12 "False teachers do not teach Gods 10 laws, instead they teach gentile doctrines not found in holy scripture."

2Ti 2:2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.

What are the things Paul told Timothy to commit and teach, Follower?
---Phil on 10/27/12


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Gal 2:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another, but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ

To Paul was revealed the gospel of Christ(1Cor.15:1-4)
Belief in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ plus nothing, is essential for salvation.
To add anything(water baptism, tithing, tongues etc.) to the gospel is false teaching.
---michael_e on 10/27/12


Matthew 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Isaiah 8:16
Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples

Romans 2:12
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law,

False teachers do not teach Gods 10 laws, instead they teach gentile doctrines not found in holy scripture. They take one or two words, or an instruction, and make it a doctrine instead of following the Lord in every Word. Most false teachers claim they have a "holy spirit" that teaches them knew spiritual things (all doctrines of devils) all not found in the written word.
---Follower_of_Christ on 10/27/12


Romans 11:20_22 "Well, because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity, but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."

If thou continue?
What?
Life is not written on stone from the beginning of time?
What's with the 'cut off '? Does that make the adoption null and void?
---Nana on 10/27/12


christan, you speculate on a verse and conclude a term not found in scripture, that is SPIRITUAL ISRAEL.


When you find two or three verses to back up or even use the word SPIRITUAL ISRAEL that includes Gentiles, let me know.

I won't be holding my breath while you look and can't find it.

Your doctrine christan is called covenant theology or Covenant Calvinism. I know all about your doctrine and do not agree with any of it.

We can argue till the cows come home, and I will NEVER be in agreement with Covanant Calvinism.
---kathr4453 on 10/27/12


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Speaking of false teachers, Jude 11 says, "They have taken the way of Cain they have rushed for profit into Balaams error, they have been destroyed in Korahs rebellion.

In other words, a false teacher can be known by his pride:

1. Cains rejection of Gods plan OF REDEMPTION THROUGH THE BLOOD),

2.greed (Balaams prophesying for money),

3. and rebellion (Korahs promotion of himself over Moses). ((OR any teacher or man made doctrine who exalts itself over the authority of the Word of God.))

Jesus said to beware of such people and that we would know them by their fruits (Matthew 7:15-20).

Peter states these same warnings. TRUTH comes in two and three's.
---kathr4453 on 10/27/12


MarkEaton, is that what Jesus says or that's what you think that you have to "accept"? There's no Scripture to support this "free-will" doctrine of "accepting" whatsoever. I've always challenged this "accepting" because Christ declared,

"No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. And He said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father." John 6:44,65

How do you wedge what you say that one has to "accept" with what Christ declared? IT'S IMPOSSIBLE! And worse still, a LIE - for calling Jesus a liar!
---christan on 10/26/12


MarkEaton, and how is "predestination a speculation" when the greatest of all predestination by God Almighty was the prophesy of the coming Jesus Christ! How He was to die and why He had to die was all written and prophesied in the OT. And were the prophesies fulfilled? OF COURSE!

Was there in anyways that Christ wasn't going to come and die for the sins of His people? Everything prophesied about Him in the OT played out exactly the way God has purposed and willed, right down to the details of who were involved. And God still held them accountable for that very wicked act of crucifying His Son.

That's predestination! Like it or hate it, it's in the Scriptures. Too bad for you that you don't believe.
---christan on 10/26/12


kathr, it's a given that God has a covenant. But your understanding of the covenant pertains to only the physical nation of Israel. Is that right? Well, Paul says:

"Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel", isn't it clear it's not the physical Israel Paul says is the "Israel" God is saving? He continues: "That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed."

From this, we know that it's the "spiritual Israel" that's God's people and these includes the Gentiles. You continue to refuse reject this.
---christan on 10/26/12


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all descendants of Adam are alienated from God, even those He chose from before the foundation of the world.
---Mark_V. on 10/26/12

Yes, I know. But, I am not a "child of God" until I accept the free gift of God, the sacrifice of Jesus in my place. After I accept the gift, then I become the "elect of God". That is the way it happens in linear time. Seeing it any other way requires speculation on how God "sees" through time and "knows' regardless of time. We simply cannot know what God knows and it is not clearly spelled out in Scripture.

As badly as you may want predestination to be a "doctrine" it cannot firmly be without speculation of some kind.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/26/12


Sorry Christan, that is how YOU see it.

Romans 9= Israel's Past
romans 10= Israel's present
Romans 11=Israel's Future.

God Also said in Romans 11, for YOU a gentile, grafted in, Not to be arrogant, IGNORANT or High minded against God's known Will that one day ISRAEL the NATION will be saved.

Why, because He said so, Just as He told Abraham, I will bless those who bless you, and curse those who curse you.

God showing His wrath on Paaroah the Second ( under Moses time) brought a curse upon himself and his nation, JUST LIKE anyone who comes against Israel in the last days will also be cursed.

read Zechriah 12-14 christan, and broaden your understanding of God's WILL, of what GOD predestined and for-ordained.
---kathr4453 on 10/26/12


Also remember Christan, God CREATED Adam and Eve and HE CREATED them perfect. There were no others created after that, as in some vessels of honor and some vessels of dishonour.

If that were so, as you interpret it, them there would have been two sets of Adam & Eves.

That just did not happen.

You simply do not understand what Paul s saying here.

Israel was God's chosen vessels upon the earth. Starting with Abraham, then Isaac and then Jacob and his descendents.

God made an everlasting covenant with Israel that cannot be broken...because it is ETERNAL.

Otherwise beware of God breaking His Covenant promise to you of eternal life!
---kathr4453 on 10/26/12


Mark E, you are right, it is a fact of Scripture that all descendants of Adam are alienated from God, even those He chose from before the foundation of the world. Of course they were, that is the reason Christ came, to bring them back. They were lost sheep. The gr. term "alienated" means estranged "cut off" or "separated". Before they were reconciled (Eph. 2:12,13). All people were estrange from God including His own. Christ substitutionary death on the cross that paid the penalty for the sin of all who are His, who receive faith, made reconcilliation possible and actual for all His people. Those are whom He came to save. That which was lost.
---Mark_V. on 10/26/12


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kathr, Romans 9 tells us not only about Israel, Jacob and Esau, Pharaoh, vessels of honor and dishonor. It simply tells us that in God's creation, there are only two-kinds of vessels He has created. Honor and dishonor.

Honor are those whom He love and dishonor are those whom He hates. A classic example being that of Jacob and Esau. Sovereign election screams out loud to your face in this particular chapter of the Bible.

If you can't get pass this humb, all your quotes from the Scripture means nothing but lies in your understanding. Which is why you are filled with so much hate toward election and predestination. Guess which vessel that belongs to?
---christan on 10/26/12


francis, again you are back with the Law of Moses, accusing me of not willing to keep the law,

"YET you are unwilling to keep the law"
---Mark_V. on 10/26/12

When have I ever accused you of not keeping " The Law of Moses?"
---francis on 10/26/12


FROM ETERNITY!
---christan on 10/25/12

Not so fast buster.

If we have been "His People" since eternity, why does God address this passage to us?

Col 1:21-22 " And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds, yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach"

We were alienated, separated from God. We had to be reconciled to God through Jesus because we had been separated by sin.

This is the fact of Scripture. That while we were sinners and separated from God, Christ died for us to bring us back to God.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/26/12


MarkV, Jacob and his descendents were ELECT to keep the Law of Moses. Esau was not.

So what is your problem?
---kathr4453 on 10/26/12


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francis, again you are back with the Law of Moses, accusing me of not willing to keep the law,

"YET you are unwilling to keep the law"

I am willing francis, but I cannot keep the law perfect. It is impossible, and neither can you. Are you not willing to keep the whole law perfect? Or, are you willing but cannot?
Only Jesus Christ could keep the whole law for us. The law never saved anyone. Because no one could keep it all. francis, you are in great need of Christ.
If you studied about the Lord Jesus Christ, instead of the Law, you would know that without Christ, you are a loser, already condemned, no amount of good works will save you, not even keeping Saturday Sabbath.
---Mark_V. on 10/26/12


No No No Christan, that verse was not about those who were not already born yet where no one did any good or evil.

Is Romans 9 the only chapter in the bible you know?


And your answer to every difficult question is not:
"OH it was predestined".

That only shows you don't understand the scriptures or the question.

ALL you know is:
No free will
Predestined

You are a preprogrammed little Calvin toy who has a button on the back who only has 5 prerecorded recordings.
---kathr4453 on 10/26/12


"AT what point did those who were NOT MY PEOPLE become Sons of the Living God?" kathr

FROM ETERNITY! "For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." Romans 9:11,13

While God elected Jacob to salvation, he also condemned Esau to damnation- unconditionally! And this decided before they were even born or created the world. Now, isn't that awesome?

BTW, MarkV, are you a Packers fan? That's because kathr called you a cheese-head.
---christan on 10/25/12


The word of God is not made of cheese markV, only your brain is.

You state all who are "elect" from before the foundation of the world are called "MY PEOPLE", yet you fail to address the verse where God said, you are "not my people" will ONE DAY be called the Sons of the living God.

AT what point did those who were NOT MY PEOPLE become Sons of the Living God?

If they were ALWAYS MY PEOPLE then no such statement would have been made.

Your swiss chees brain just won't FACE that truth. Study to show yurself approved of God rightly dividing the word of truth!
---kathr4453 on 10/25/12


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Kathr, so far you have told three people they are cornered. All three people have answered you over and over again, you just reject the truth. What can anyone of us do? I thought I was wasting time answering you but I realize that others read and God has a message for many so sometimes I answer you. You cannot corner anyone with your false beliefs. They have no power to corner anyone. It is a sword made of cheese. Not a real sword.
---Mark_V. on 10/25/12


You will remain that way unless the Spirit of God changes your heart, by washing away the sin in your heart.
---Mark_V. on 10/25/12
So yes, I have heard what most of you write. The keeping of the Law, which can never save anyone.
---Mark_V. on 10/23/12

1: The Holy Spirit washes away sin from your heart. You are willing to have the spirit wash sin from your heart
2: You do not want to heart about keeping the law, but you want to have your heart free from sin

BUT

1 John 3:4 sin is the transgression of the law.

Seems you want to have your heart from from the transgression of the law,

YET you are unwilling to keep the law

HAS

2 Peter 2:22 The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again?
---francis on 10/25/12


MarkV, it is noticable to many here that when you are cornered or confronted with a question, rather than answer the question, you choose to stand on your soap box giving lectures telling the person just how evil tehy are.

Now that isn't what I asked you was it MarkV?

You use the "same tactics" as those in CULTS who are confronted with the truths of Scripture.

Your Name was written in WHO SO EVER WILL.

Deal with it!
---kathr4453 on 10/25/12


Kathr, in your condition, how do you expect me to answer you in order for you to understand? It's impossible. I cannot change you, or change your heart. Only God can do that. That's what I've been trying to tell you about the lost. They think they have free will, but they are inslave to sin, as Willie C. said, they are "walking according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience" You will remain that way unless the Spirit of God changes your heart, by washing away the sin in your heart. That's what comes out of you. I will answer questions when they can help others who are learning, otherwise giving you truth will not help you.
---Mark_V. on 10/25/12


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We know God loved Jacob, but where does scripture say God loved MarkV?

Please answer this question MarkV before calling anyone liars and satan's children and any other curse.

For God so loved the WORLD.

Would you then be one of those in the world, also extended to even one of Esau's descendents?

Now WORLD is not translated Elect. Let's be clear here.
---kathr4453 on 10/24/12


Shira, that is such a great testimony to the Power of the Gospel in one's life that one does not have to have a PHD in anything to understand God and have a personal intimate relationship with the Lord.

I appreciate you sharing that truth with all of us here.

Faith has nothing to do with intelligence. The faith of a child, so simple.
---kathr4453 on 10/24/12


Kathr, you must have a demon. I say this because you throw that demon at others when you answer as you did just now. And, you cannot speak without lies again as you just did:

" Re-incarnation is totally demonic. MarkV thinks he was Jacob, too."

Another one of your lies. It is your nature speaking and the reason you would say that is because you cannot keep yourself from lying.
Jesus said about satan,
"You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and there is no truth in him. "When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources," for he is a liar and the father of it." (John 8:44).
---Mark_V. on 10/24/12


kathr, thanks for the kind words. randy is a born again christian and he knows God's Word better than almost anyone I know. he is a gentleman and very pleasant most times. his demeanor runs some off but I do have compassion for him because of the way some treat him. they treat him like he is stupid and actually he is very intelligent. he just has a tendency to talk a lot. that does get on my nerves but i try to be understanding.
---shira4368 on 10/24/12


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Shira, I think it's very commendable of you to have a protective kind of compassion for those with a diminished mental capacity.

All the more reason we need to try harder to make sure those who are diminished mentally have a clear understanding of truth.
---kathr4453 on 10/24/12


markv, don't let the insults deter you from your stand. I have lived in my apt for 2 months and only saw one neighbor. yesterday she ask my friend, who is male and has mental issues for which he collects disability. He is deficient in many ways but he is a gentleman and he helps me and I pay him. my neighbor ask him yesterday if he was moving in with me. he promptly said "no, ms shirley is my fwend." no one will have anything to do with him very much because of his mental capacity. He was ran over with a tractor and lay in the ditch for almost 3 hours.
---shira4368 on 10/24/12


francis exactly, and there are many of those in Romans 9-11, yet for some treason because markv LIKES THOSE verses, it's all about MarkV.

Narcissism is a very sad mental disorder. And believing you actually lived in teh OT when God spoke to Israel is another we need to be concerned with. Re-incarnation is totally demonic. MarkV thinks he was Jacob, too.
---kathr4453 on 10/23/12


Israel. Every passage you and they give is from the Old Testament.
---Mark_V. on 10/23/12
HHMMM
Romans 3:10 As it is written,
Romans 4:17 As it is written,
Romans 8:36 As it is written,
1 Peter 1:16 it is written
Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture
Romans 10:11 For the scripture saith
James 4:5 Do ye think that the scripture saith
1 Peter 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture

Anything that would follow " it is written," "the scripture saaith," would be a quote from the book fo the OT

Do I need to explain why to you?
---francis on 10/23/12


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So yes, I have heard what most of you write. The keeping of the Law, which can never save anyone.
---Mark_V. on 10/23/12

Can you tell me which one of " us" wrote these:
1 Corinthians 7:19 the keeping of the commandments of God.

Revelation 12:17 keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Can you also tell me why you never see the part that says:

Revelation 12:17 have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 the faith of Jesus.

Why do you only see that part aboutthe law in our post and NEVER see the part about faith in Jesus?
---francis on 10/23/12


francis, I have heard it from you, Jerry and my neighbors. They never preach the gospel of Christ, they always present the law given to Israel. Every passage you and they give is from the Old Testament. So yes, I have heard what most of you write. The keeping of the Law, which can never save anyone.
But I know why you present the law, because it is only a smoke screen to present Saturday Sabbath, and what great people you guys are for keeping the Saturday Sabbath, yet fail in keeping the law, because no one is without sin, not even SDA's. Only Duane and Haz insist on been sinless. And they are not SDA's. Are you also sinless? I will add you to the group of sinless people.
---Mark_V. on 10/23/12


If you want to use Scripture, use it in the right context. salvation with regards to man is IMPOSSIBLE!
---christan on 10/18/12

Christan,

I have perhaps you might want too! For instance in the scipture verse Jesus ask the rich nman to sell everything and follow him and as you know he refuse. Jesus then ask another rich man Zacchaeus in Luke 19 : 1-10 "Zacchae'us, make haste and come down, for I must stay at your house today." And notice what he says "Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor," And Jesus said to him, " Today salvation has come to your house . One rich man could not it is impossible and the other 'With' God could. One reponse with his God's grace the other did not!
---Ruben on 10/22/12


christan * "Jesus was ask," What good deed(work) must I do to have eternal life?" How did he answer? I give you a hint, He 'did not' say nothing no works. Ruben

Neither did Christ say, you need good works to be saved. So, don't even go there.

Let's see what Jesus said :

Mt. 19:16 " If you would enter life, keep the commandments."

Luke 10:25-28 " "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself." 28 And he said to him, "You have answered right, do this, and you will live ."

Sounds like something we must do!
---Ruben on 10/22/12


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christan * But He did answer when asked by the disciples: "When his disciples heard it, saying, Who then can be saved? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, WITH MEN THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE, but with God all things are possible."

Yes 'WITH" God all things are possible! God gives the grace necessary, but one must respond to that grace, out of love. He (Rich Man) chose not to do so.


christan * If you want to use Scripture, use it in the right context. In this context, Christ tells His disciples that salvation with regards to man is IMPOSSIBLE!

Yes it is impossible but Jesus does not say that goal is unattainable, remember he says with God it is possible. We must response to his grace!
---Ruben on 10/22/12


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Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that the words of the Prophecy of this Book. If any man shall add unto these things , God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this Book,
22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the Book prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the Book of Life, and out of the Holy City, and from the things which are written in this Book.
---RICHARDC on 10/22/12


The fundamental distortion of legalism is the belief that one can earn one's way into the kingdom of heaven.
---Mark_V. on 10/22/12

I am not sure about your educational background at all, but where did you ever se any SDA talk about working thier way into heaven?
What has happened here is that you have choosen or have been devieved into believeing that one who accpts christ does not have to obey the law and commandments of God

Does you bible have these verses:
1 Corinthians 7:19 the keeping of the commandments of God.

Revelation 12:17 keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
---francis on 10/22/12


francis, you said,

"I do not know any SDA writers who are in the bible."

Of course not. There is SDA workers of the law in Scripture. The Pharisees who were the legalist of Jesus day, and Jesus reserved His strongest criticism for them.
The fundamental distortion of legalism is the belief that one can earn one's way into the kingdom of heaven. The Pharisees believed that due to their scrupulous adherence to the law, they were the children of God.
At the core, this is a denial of the gospel. It is the adherence to the letter of the law to the exclusion of the Spirit of the law.
The Pharisees like you, robbed people of their liberty and put chains on them where God had left them free.
---Mark_V. on 10/22/12


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--christan on 10/21/12
I would be very surprised, if you do not consider iniquity to be sin.

Strong's Greek Definition for # 459: departing from the law, a violator of the law, lawless, wicked

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

So they profess to know and follow Christ even do miracles in His name, yet they are not keeping the law and the commandments

1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
---francis on 10/21/12


francis, you quote Matthew 7:23 "And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

and you interpreted it as "WORK INIQUITY: This means that were NOT KEEPING THE LAW.

Let's see if this understanding of yours is correct or erroneous.

"Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin." Romans 3:20

Yup, it's definitely erroneous.
---christan on 10/21/12


SDA's have groups which boast on the law and the reason they present the Old Testament Law on their answers, never giving the glory to God.
---Mark_V. on 10/19/12

Lets see what the BIBLE says:

Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

WORK INIQUITY: This means that were NOT KEEPING THE LAW

See my KJV says it is not just giving glory to God with your lips. it is about giving your heart to God. When you have given your heart to God you will obey him and not work sin iniquity
---francis on 10/19/12


SDA's have groups which boast on the law and the reason they present the Old Testament Law on their answers, never giving the glory to God.
---Mark_V. on 10/19/

I do not know any SDA writers who are in the bible. Maybe when they come up with the new new newest testament maybe one of us can be in it.
But until then if your bible does not have these verses, find a bible that have them:

1 Corinthians 7:1 the keeping of the commandments of God.

Revelation 12:17 the remnant:, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 the saints: they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
---francis on 10/19/12


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Yes, false prophets are hypocrites. I have often thought that I just would not fit in with most people because I have sooooooo many faults. I might be accused of being an unsaved one, or a nut-case....Oh well, God does the choosing.
---pat on 10/19/12


What can help the most is to be wise to how we can fool our own selves. Then when someone else who is false tries to take advantage of our weakness, this can't work because we are wise to what can make us stupid. So, most of all is to see how we ourselves can be false!

And the Bible is full of things for this > how to be real in love, so we aren't fooled into being selfish >

"nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3) We are to be examples, first, not only telling others. So, if a person tries to just boss us around and make us over, but with no real example of the person, this is false leadership.
---willie_c: on 10/19/12


False teachers boast about their ability to keep the law of God. They tell others, "I can do this but you cannot, I am holier then you" They don't realize because of their apostasy, that by the works of the law no man can be saved. They also fail to realize that all those who are made alive together with Christ, had already been predestine unto good works once they are saved by grace through. And by ignoring that, they take the glory away from God, and boast on their own abilities. It is a man-centered theology that starts with man and ends up with God, instead of starting with God. SDA's have groups which boast on the law and the reason they present the Old Testament Law on their answers, never giving the glory to God.
---Mark_V. on 10/19/12


According to my bible which is the KJV, the one way to know if someone us a false teacher or not is this:

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

This is what false teachers do:
1: Those who do not claim to be Followers of God they teach in opposition to the law of God and in opposition to Jesus the Christ ( common among pagans)
2: Some who claim to be christian teach Either (A) That Jesus is the Christ, and they do not teach the law of God or (B) That we are to keep the law and that Jesus was not the Christ. ( common among Jews and Muslims)
---francis on 10/18/12


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"Jesus was ask," What good deed(work) must I do to have eternal life?" How did he answer? I give you a hint, He 'did not' say nothing no works, I have select you as my Elect." Ruben

Neither did Christ say, you need good works to be saved. So, don't even go there.

But He did answer when asked by the disciples: "When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, WITH MEN THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE, but with God all things are possible."

If you want to use Scripture, use it in the right context. In this context, Christ tells His disciples that salvation with regards to man is IMPOSSIBLE!
---christan on 10/18/12


RCC and has spread to almost all churches with Jesus name on them. Our works do not bring us salvation. So that no one can boast. And we have a lot of them boasting.
---Mark_V. on 10/18/

Mark,

Where is the documents from the RCC that states work only/alone earns our Salvation?

Speaking of works:

Jesus was ask," What good deed(work) must I do to have eternal life?" How did he answer?

I give you a hint, He 'did not' say nothing no works, I have select you as my Elect.

I will wait for your answer!
---Ruben on 10/18/12


The scriptures tell us:
2Ti4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears,
2Ti4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

False teachers teach false doctrines that are pleasing to man rather than preaching the truth which can be painful to listen to when we are convicted of sins, or gives glory to God rather than to man.

To God be all the glory!
---trey on 10/18/12


Marc, on 10/18/12 you are 100% correct.

People will listen to FALSE TEACHERS, purchase their books, CD's, and DVD's but you cannot get these people to open the Bible and study for themselves.
---Rob on 10/18/12


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Pat, One of the characteristics of a false teacher or preacher is when they introduce keeping the law in order to be save. That is one of the biggest lies in all Christianity. In Christianity it was introduce by the RCC and has spread to almost all churches with Jesus name on them. They are no different then Islam, Mormons, and Jehovah witnesses concerning salvation.
What should make us apart from all those is that we are saved by the Grace of God through faith. Our works do not bring us salvation. So that no one can boast. And we have a lot of them boasting.
---Mark_V. on 10/18/12


Matt 7:15-19 "Beware of false prophets (teachers) , who come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You shall know them by their fruit. ---" We must pray and study to make sure that we have scripture and the Holy Spirit to weed out these wolves out of our lives!
---Marc on 10/18/12


"For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness, whose end shall be according to their works."
2 Corinthians 11:13-15

Can one really tell who's a false teacher if the Holy Spirit does not dwell in him/her? Very unlikely. That's why there are so many denominations out there claiming they are followers of Christ, when actually Paul was referring to them.
---christan on 10/18/12


2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you,.... While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them
---francis on 10/17/12


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#1...They are always liars!!! And they tell their lies with sweetness!! Take a look at television evangelists and you will see. Joel Osteen is the worst. Check Osteen and his wife out on Oprah when they say they would "out of respect" attend a wedding for same-sex marriage.
---KarenD on 10/17/12


Do you mean characteristics?
---1st_cliff on 10/17/12


Any Pastor who only uses only the King James Bible and says the Bible is inerrant!!!.
---Blogger9211 on 10/17/12


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