Are Traditions Bad
Beloved family,think I understand better now, ok..church used to go,just not well verse in prayer, where I attended, they did not know how to properly pray! "bonkers!",nobody prayed,they would say "ok well,you pray!" You can not grow in a stagnent church. I felt they were in a tradition. they just pray for.the political stuff they had always,they are steep into politics,that is their tradition.My prayer now has been help me find a church that is open to the true spirit of God,also,where there is order,you have churches, praise the lord till 1am.God is a God of order.They do not have consideration,women like myself,can't. be walking. Home 1am in the morning.
---ELENA on 10/30/12|
Isa 28:10 "precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line,..."
BUT note the verses following.
BUT the word of the Lord WAS TO THEM, Precept upon precept, precept upon precept,Line upon line....., That they might go and FALL BACKWARD, and be BROKEN And SNARED and CAUGHT".
Read Isa 29:10-13 explaining why. The words of the book were "SEALED" so that they could NOT understand. It was merely precept upon precept to them. God spoke with stammering lips and another tongue (Isa 28:11), until Christ.
But when Christ came then the "deaf hear the words in the book and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness", Isa 29:17,18.
---Haz27 on 10/30/12|
Most definitally, francis! Isaiah 28:10 precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, and there a little: Balanced with the leading & the voice of the Holy Spirit!Hebrews 3:15 While it is said, Today if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
---J_Marc on 10/30/12|
Hello,bro. Marc, god bless you,my answer personally, for me,yes.Really found something,inside of me,it does not ( how can I say,to explain myself concise in English, I am going to start attend a new church,but,I am yes, have had this exactly type
Question on my mind.I am not really educated like many on here, bible knowledge,but, I do feel I got go to some church/ need structure, keep my relationship with the lord above all else! I don't. speak english good smile,like I used to,forget alot.
Thankyou, love of JESUS!
---ELENA on 10/30/12|
---J_Marc on 10/29/12
I am not sure about hermeneutics. We have 2000 denomination each claiming to teach the truth most claiming to use hermeneutics as proof positive that they are teaching biblically. Is there a flaw with hermeneutics? Maybe.
My method of study which i recomend is this: Isaiah 28:10 precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, and there a little:
You cannot go wrong that way. If all denomination used that biblical method there would be only two denominations
---francis on 10/30/12|
Franois & Peter, Thank you!
I meant to ask, Has your traditional methods of Bible interpretation(hermeneutics) led you away from the understanding that the Holy Spirit gives to believers! The definition of hermeneutics is derived from Hermes, a Greek "demon" god, a messenger of the the gods will to mankind. Consolidated Webster Encyclopedic Dictionary defines it as "The art or science of interpretation, especially applied." to the interpretation of the Scriptures, exegsis."
---J_Marc on 10/29/12|
J Marc: The real question can only be answered when one knows what the 'traditional methods of the Bible', and which particular ones, that you are asking about, are.
Most to me seem harmless, but there are times when the method becomes more important than the actual teaching, and then one must choose the Biblical teaching
---Peter on 10/27/12|
---Marc on 10/18/12 This is a very disturbing question
I think cluny gave the best reply
Can you rephrase that question to show how hermeneutics can possibly lead away from god and the Holy Spirit?
---francis on 10/27/12|
James L, i had to change my name on this from marc! Matthew 10:34-36 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
My wife and i did lose our families because of the truth! It was like this was a prophesy that Christ gave that came ture in our lives!
---J_Marc on 10/24/12|
Very similar indeed. As Mark V mentioned theological bias, though many don't know they have it.
I can attest, absolutely, that the most difficult and fearful experience I've ever gone through was contemplating the possibility that everything I had learned about God was wrong. Downright scary stuff.
But I was confronted in such a manner that I could not ignore it.
I am 42 this week, and right around my 28th birthday I was dragged to the truth (by God), kicking and screaming.
Because of all my previous attempts to find God, my family thought it was the same old thing.
One sister said "Good lord, he's found God again"
And the truth nearly alienated me from my entire family
---James_L on 10/23/12|
James L, Sounds like we may have a very similar testomy! I grew up in a church that should have called it self agnostic! I'm now 54, when i was 25, not long after i married my sweet wife i had avery powerful "born again" experance that our familys could not accept! The church we attended didn't believe that God does anything in our time! I had to study the Bible to be able to believe what happend to me really was an experance from the real Christ! This blogging thing is a gift from Christ as well! The world and the enemy have really been attacting people who have heard that real voice!Heb 3:15 "Today if you hear His voice..."
---Marc on 10/22/12|
Marc, James L answer is correct, not many will believe they are wrong or have the wrong doctrines. It is what is called by RC Sproul, and John MacArthur, as theological bias. They have been taught a certain way, they have faught for that way, and will do everything possible to defend it, even when they are wrong. They harden their hearts and not permit the Spirit to speak to their conscious.
Biblical Hermeneutics is the science and art of biblical interpretation. Science, because it has rules and these rules can be classified into an orderly system. It is considered an art because commumication is flexible, and therefore a mechanical and rigid application of rules will sometimes distort the true meaning of a communication.
---Mark_V. on 10/22/12|
that's a pretty cool testimony of the power of God to enlighten.
I had my own version of "Christianity" that was taught to me as a youngster, and it was nothing but a hodge-podge of beliefs borrowed from everybody - Baptist, Catholic, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Church of Christ, Charismatics, with gap theory and a little mysticism thrown in with ghosts and demons around every corner.
When I encountered biblical Christianity, it was so foreign to me that I called it heresy.
Many people who consider themselves Christian have no understanding of biblical teachings, yet are absolutely certain that they are on the right path
---James_L on 10/21/12|
Thanks for your reply James L. Recently I handed a tract I wrote to a young lady. When I saw her a few days later, she told me that she was going to absolutely repent of the pagan thing that she was practicing that she thought was Christian. There are some people who seem to be called to be disobendient. Eph 2:2 "...according to the Spirit that works in the children of disobedience" Eph 5:6 "...the wrath of God comes upon the children of disobedience:". According to these verses, there are certain people that will never listen to God, the Holy Spirit, or Christ in any way. Sadly, God (Ya) has willed that they cannot and never will listen, hear, or repent. Yet, to the glory of God, some have and may still.
---Marc on 10/21/12|
if someone's hermeneutics led them away from God's Spirit, do you think they would even know it?
That's like asking if anyone here believes their doctrine is wrong. Do you think you'll get anyone to say yes?
---James_L on 10/21/12|
Sorry, I meant to ask about your traditional methods of Bible interpretation. The definition of hermeneutics is derived from Hermes, a Greek "demon" god, a messenger of the Ttheir e Consolidated Webster Encyclopedic Dictionary defines it as "The art or science of interpretation, especially applied." to the interpretation of the Scriptures, exegsis."
---Marc on 10/19/12|
If you "spend more time with God" than "studying the Bible", then He is well pleased. He "yearns jealously" over His new creation"....the "LIVING, BREATHING, SOUL"...(like Adam before the fall).
"He yearns jealously over the spirit which he has made to dwell in us".
Song of Solomon 4:10
"How sweet is your love, my sister, my bride! how much better is your love than wine, and the fragrance of your oils than any spice!".
....(neither did Able choose to hear anyone EXCEPT THE LORD and his offering was also accepted as a "fragrance").
---more_excellent_way on 10/19/12|
Churches wont teach you why they practice age old traditions with no Biblical foundation. Pastors remain ignorant or avoid the simple answers to the most dangerous Biblical attacks.
All of this results in more people who are deceived about salvation and remain ignorant of what the Bible actually says.
---michael_e on 10/19/12|
I've never really started in set ways of understanding the Bible. But I offer myself to God and see what He does with me, with Him doing what He knows He means by each scripture. He knows better than I can (1 Corinthians 8:2).
1 Corinthians 13 talks about how if we have knowledge without love, our knowledge does nothing for us.
Isaiah 55:11 shows me that God's word will do all that God Himself means by His word, not limited to how we can understand. So, this means always discovering better (c: . . . no limiting ourselves (2 Corinthians 6:12).
---willie_c: on 10/19/12|
No, I spend more time with God than I do in studying the Bible [84 on a quiz]. I have learned more about this living God, face to face, that in studying the Bble. I love to study when God's anointing is in it. His people are always welcome to snuggle with God.
---pat on 10/19/12|
No, but I'll bet that YOURS has, Marc.
"Hermeneutic" simply means "the science of interpretation". It usually refers to Scripture, but has been applied to other things as well.
Glory to Jesus christ!
---Cluny on 10/19/12|
HELLO MARC, Welcome to this forum and welcome to 'writing on the internet'. I'm 58 and have been a "Christian" for 23 years (the 1st century church was called "the Way, Acts 9:2). I still don't know what "hermeneutics" is (nor do I care/want to).
You are very insightful, Marc. Modern ministers/church encourages everyone to be INTELLECTUAL about scripture as a 'TEXTBOOK' (believers become overwhelmed/obsessed with "intellectual ascent" and forget the true meaning of "Spirit").....Soldiers have a fighting spirit and sports players have a team spirit, OUR spirit is supposed to be compatible with God's "eternal" Holy Spirit (Hebrews 9:14, John 7:39, this is the age/dimension of ETERNITY).
---more_excellent_way on 10/19/12|
Don't know what traditional methods you refer to (Maybe that is what hermeneutics means?) but I will say reading the Bible for information is harmful but reading the Bible for transformation is benefitual. As James says 1:22-25 - "whoever looks intently...they will be blessed in what they do."
---Scott1 on 10/18/12|
The Bible contains the mind of God, the state of man, the way of salvation, the doom of sinners, and the happiness of believers. Its doctrines are holy, its precepts are binding, its histories are true, and its decisions are immutable.
Christ is its grand subject, our good the design and the glory of God its end.
It should fill the memory,rule the heart and guide the feet. ....It is given to you in life, will be opened at the judgment, and be remembered forever.
It involves the highest responsiblity, will reward the greatest labor,and will condemn all who trife with its sacred contents.
preface to Gideon testament.
---elee7537 on 10/18/12|