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Christan, so when Dinah got raped or Tamar got raped, that too was about Jesus?

David also said, I was altogether born in sin.

That certainly could not be about Jesus!

Anything for an argument right?

No matter what anyone says, you will find some obscure nothingness to make a mountain out of.

Thou does protest too much christan...you're losing your effectiveness by finding fault with EVERYTHING EVERYONE SAYS except your own click.
---kathr4453 on 11/9/12


Heretical views can sometimes be based on ignorance.

"RECEIVED" (lambano): to take with the hand, lay hold of, any person or thing in order to use it

It is the same word used in these scriptures.

Matthew 26:26,27
And as they were eating Jesus TOOK bread and blessed it and brake it and gave it to the disciples and said TAKE eat this is my body. And he TOOK the cup and gave thanks and gave it to them saying Drink ye all of it

Also in Mark 14:22,23

Receive in scripture, means to lay hold of or TAKE!
---JackB on 11/9/12


Jesus did not abolish sin,
---Mark_V. on 11/9/12
Hb 9:26 ... but now once in the end of the world [aionion, eons] hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

If sin is not being abolished along with death, then His power is a sham.

1C 15:26 The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] death.

Death ends the power of sin. There is no sinning in death.

He is abolishing death and quickening all, starting with us. He will make all quickened in Himself.
---Phil on 11/9/12


christan and markv and possibly even jmarc want everyone to believe THEY "Gentiles" were once under the Law of Moses.

They also want you to believe everyone, that is everyone except those saved TODAY are still under the Law of Moses.

OH My, and we all see these Moses law keepers keeping the Sabbath, and sacrificing animals and the such.

Talk about CONFUSED calvinists.
---kathr4453 on 11/9/12


The real Christ does the choosing! John 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.John 10:4-5 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. turu sheep know his voice and will not follow strangers
---J_Marc on 11/9/12




"Now you want to PRESUME David was pointing to Jesus in Psalms?" kathr

"PRESUME"? Isn't the whole Bible about Jesus Christ? That's why it's also called the Word of God. Or do you have a problem comprehending,

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him, and without Him was not any thing made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness, and the darkness comprehended it not."

And from Genesis to Revelation isn't all about Jesus? Where have you been?
---christan on 11/9/12


"And LOOK, it says, WHO EVER "ACCEPTS"...is that what you are trying to blow smoke over?" kathr

Still with that Armenian theology bit are we? But sorry, I don't use the NIV version which Armenians love because the words in there has been tone down from the original KJV.

The KJV says, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that RECEIVETH whomsoever I send RECEIVETH me, and he that RECEIVETH me RECEIVETH him that sent me."

Curiously, the NIV in John 1:12 says "Yet to all who did RECEIVE HIM, to those who believed in his name, He gave the right to become children of God...", notice the NIV didn't say "accept him".
---christan on 11/9/12


Besides the fact that satan can or will interfere in the prayers of God's people to God, from time to time....Check and see if there are any unforgiven sins in your life. Sin or sins. If you are upset or angry with someone, talk it over with God. Certainly don't pretend everything is upsce dory with you before the Lord thy God. He can see through anything.
---pat on 11/9/12


Phil,
"A careful study in Scripture of words would have given you that answer." It did give me the answer, reconciliation, expiation.

You say
"That is the problem. I have done a careful, meticulous study, and the word "atomement" is not in the NT." I told you it was not, yet you present atonement of animals, just read below,

"Atonement in Scripture refers back to animal sacrifices as a covering for sin." Jesus did not cover sin, He abolishes it, and triumphs over it. His work is a million times better than mere atonement, or covering, for sins."
Jesus did not abolish sin, He forgave the sins of those who have faith. Sin is alive in everyones lives.
---Mark_V. on 11/9/12


Christan, why do you make a mountain out of a mole hill.

jmarc quoted John 13:18 out of context. I however put the whole context of what that verse was talking about.

Now you want to PRESUME David was pointing to Jesus in Psalms?

David had many friends who turned against him, just as we as Christians will be betrayed by those we also thought were our FRIENDS.

And LOOK, it says, WHO EVER "ACCEPTS"...is that what you are trying to blow smoke over?

Ya can't! Jesus said it. And we don't need calvinists to explain it away!
---kathr4453 on 11/9/12




"Jesus Predicts His Betrayal" kathr

"Predict"? Does your christ have a crystal ball and wears a bandanna? How did Christ "predict" when in Psalm 41:9, it was prophesied, "Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me." Christ wasn't even in the flesh yet when this prophesy was written by David which was obviously pointing to Judas betrayal.

All prophesies of God in the Bible WILL COME TO PASS and that's because it's His written will. Isaiah declared, "the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass, I HAVE PURPOSED IT, I WILL ALSO DO IT."
---christan on 11/9/12


"Atonement is not in the New Testament anywhere." Phil

"Who His own self bare our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed." 1 Peter 2:24

Isn't this a description of an atonement? Does the word "atonement" need to be mentioned since Christ went to Calvary and bled to death? And didn't Matthew write, "...for He shall save His people from their sins."

The NT was the definition of the final atonement Christ made for His people, that they are reconciled to the Father.
---christan on 11/9/12


Hi Kathr,

The scriptures tell us this:
Ro8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
Who does God justify? The Elect.
Mt20:28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
Notice it does not say for all, but it says for many.

Kathr, God hated Esau but he loved Jacob. The real question is why did he love Jacob? Why did he love you? It's not a miracle that God hates anyone. It's a miracle that he loves any of us.
---trey on 11/8/12


---Mark_V. on 11/8/12
A careful study in Scripture of words would have given you that answer."

That is the problem. I have done a careful, meticulous study, and the word "atomement" is not in the NT.

A pattern of sound words is very important when uttering truths. Deviation from the Writings is not good at all.

Atonement in Scripture refers back to animal sacrifices as a covering for sin.

Jesus did not cover sin, He abolishes it, and triumphs over it. His work is a million times better than mere atonement, or covering, for sins.

Using atonement for such a far reaching and efficacious act is inappropriate and unscriptural.
---Phil on 11/9/12


Jesus Predicts His Betrayal

18 I am not referring to all of you, I know those I have chosen. But this is to fulfill this passage of Scripture: He who shared my bread has turned against me.

19 I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe that I am who I am.
Jesus here was referring to Judas who betrayed Him. Judas was also CHOSEN by Jesus.

But concerning the rest of us, who were not chosen to be Jesus 12 Apostles He says,

20 Very truly I tell you, whoever accepts anyone I send accepts me, and whoever accepts me accepts the one who sent me.


Also read John 17:20-24
---kathr4453 on 11/8/12


The New Testament understanding of the Day of Atonement is related to its understanding of the heavenly sanctuary. The reason is the cleansing of the Day of Atonement affected the sanctuary itself. What this means is that if the New Testament references to the heavenly sanctuary are taken to be metaphorical, that is, symbolic of the spiritual presence of God, then there is no actual heavenly sanctuary, no actual heavenly priesthood of Christ, and no actual Day of Atonement "cleansing" of the heavenly sanctuary. On the other hand, if the New Testament references to the heavenly sanctuary are taken to be literal, then there is in heaven an actual sanctuary with an actual priesthood of Christ.
---kathr4453 on 11/8/12


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Phil, the teaching of the Atonement refers to the reconciliation made by Christ on the Cross to repair the separation between God and men. Though the word is not found in Scripture it is synonyms, with reconciliation, expiation.
A careful study in Scripture of words would have given you that answer.
---Mark_V. on 11/8/12


Ask! John 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
Study!2nd Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.2nd Timothy 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Listen!Hebrews 3:15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
Hopefully, He will choose you!John 13:18 I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen:
---J_Marc on 11/8/12


Genesis 4:5-7

5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.

6 And the Lord said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?

7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.


Here it is markv.

Trey, please find a verse that says Jesus died only for the ELECT!
---kathr4453 on 11/8/12


---Mark_V. on 11/8/12 "If the Atonement..."

The teaching of "Atonement" of Christ, or His sacrifice being an "atonement, is a heretical teaching.

The word is not found outside the so-called "Old Testament" in any of the many versions I possess.

Atonement is not in the New Testament anywhere.

Where did you get this teaching?
---Phil on 11/8/12


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Kathr, you are exactly correct. There is nothing limiting about the atonement Christ made. It paid for all the sins of the elect family of God!

Mt1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Joh6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Thank God for the blood of Christ that washes away all the sins of the world of God's elect!!!
---trey on 11/8/12


Kathr, you write too much jargon that is not Truth of Scripture. Here I will answer one,

"God gave Cain a second chance to obey, but Cain's FREE will refused to obey offering a BLOOD sacrifice."

Where in the Bible are we told that God gave Cain a second chance, and he refused using his free will? or that a blood sacrifice was not offered? Just another lie. Jesus had not come, and animal sacrifice had not been introduced. Turning the Truth to a lie. You create your own truth. It's all religious jargon to sound very religious. False teachers do that even today. Turning the Truth to a lie.
If the Atonement is not limited to believers only, then all would be save, and as we know that is not Truth either.
---Mark_V. on 11/8/12


I believe the problem with MARKV, understanding is he does not understand justification or atonement.

You can't LIMIT Atonement.

The Atonement was that presented to God the Father on behalf of all mankind. Jesus was raised from the dead through the Blood of the everlasting Covenant. You can no more limit the Blood anymore than you can limit the Everlasting Covenant. MarkV's doctrine should rather read "A Limited Covenant"

The Atonement was not limited in the OT.

No roll call was taken of only a few out of Israel to atone for only their sin.

It was for ALL the Sin of ALL the people.
---kathr4453 on 11/7/12


Jesus sacrifice only saves those who believe through faith. It's available to all, but not all believe by faith. His sacrifice does not save the wicked, only those who are declared righteous.

---Mark_V. on 11/7/12

One is declared with the righteousness OF CHRIST alone through Faith in His Blood..it's called Justification.

Abel was declared righteous by faith because he offered a BLOOD sacrifice.

God gave Cain a second chance to obey, but Cain's FREE will refused to obey offering a BLOOD sacrifice.

WHOSOEVER obeys will be justified by His Blood and saved by His Life.

Of coarse those who reject Jesus offer of salvation are still lost.

However the provision of BLOOD is there for anyone anywhere.
---kathr4453 on 11/7/12


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Sister Shira, you said,
"markv, there are way too many verses in scripture that insure salvation thru eternity when we are saved." That's true. All who are saved by Grace are insure salvation thru eternity.
you say,
" Jesus died for all the world not just a few".
Jesus sacrifice only saves those who believe through faith. It's available to all, but not all believe by faith. His sacrifice does not save the wicked, only those who are declared righteous.

Ruben, your right, the whole New Testament gives warnings to believers. That is how they were taught, they did not have the New Testament to read. We are not taught by those people, we are now taught by the Holy Spirit through the Word of God.
---Mark_V. on 11/7/12


markv, there are way too many verses in scripture that insure salvation thru eternity when we are saved. Jesus died for all the world not just a few. I think what you are saying is God knows everything we will do and say and even the hairs on our head. my human self can't absorb that God lets some die without a chance to be saved. I do not understand all that but I know if my KJV says it, I believe it. to hear from God we must stay in a constant state of prayer. I don't believe God will honor someone who calls on him just because they are in trouble. I am guilty of that too. God bless
---shira4368 on 11/6/12


Mark_V. on 11/6/12

No markv, here is what God said

"elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father," in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ" You put the emphasis on the wrong part of the sentence....or don't even acknowledge the rest of the sentence. This is what the CHURCH is Chosen for, and the result of those IN CHRIST. No OT Saint can claim that verse. No one was sacntified in the Spirit or experienced the POWER of the Blood of Jesus Christ

Peter did not know Judas would betray Jesus who ALSO WAS ELECT...read John 6...Even Jesus said I have Chosen you EVEN JUDAS who will betray me.

Maybe YOU were chosen to BETRAY Jesus too!
---kathr4453 on 11/6/12


Here is what Peter said,
"To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, "elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father," in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ" (1 Peter 1:1,2). Peter did know who the elect were, his brethren.
---Mark_V. on 11/6/12

Mark,

And Peter goes on and warns the elect:

1 Peter 1:14-17

"As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance"

AND

1 Peter 3:9-12

"Do not return evil for evil or reviling for reviling,"
---Ruben on 11/6/12


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jamea5375: IF you want to hear from God, try more to consciously obey Him more.Start from HIS word that you know already(try your best to increase in the practice of it). No one is perfect in obedience, but strive to increase in it. As you do this God Himself will reach out to you & will let you know how HE will usually communicate with you.
---Adetunji on 11/6/12


Sister, Shira, I do believe that God before the foundation of the world made a plan and ordained those who will be saved and those whom He will pass by. Let's look at an example, think about it.
When the gospel went to a certain city, and didn't go to another, those who died, died in their sin. Why? Because the word of God did not go to them. All through history only Israel had the gospel, and millions in other nations died without the Gospel. God could have made sure the gospel went to all nations so everyone could have a chance, but didn't. There a purpose in what God does. He chose Israel. Just like He chose Israel, He choses whom He wants to have mercy on. I believe it is pretty simple. Nothing to break our brains about.
---Mark_V. on 11/6/12


markv, I can't believe you think God chose us before the foundation of the world. I know I am saved but I also know I could be lost had I not felt the drawing of the Holy Spirit. Jesus died for the whole world. If we could get the lost under preaching of the cross, many would be saved. I agree with kathr concering salvation.
---shira4368 on 11/6/12


Kathr, you should read the Bible before you make comments like the ones you did:
"Or does Peter say: OH but we are the elect and it is impossible for us to go away, Silly Jesus, don't YOU understand election and the doctrine of Calvinism, and YOU want us to believe now you are the Christ? You should know better."

Here is what Peter said,
"To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, "elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father," in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ" (1 Peter 1:1,2). Peter did know who the elect were, his brethren.
---Mark_V. on 11/6/12


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65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?

68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.



Or does Peter say:

OH but we are the elect and it is impossible for us to go away, Silly Jesus, don't YOU understand election and the doctrine of Calvinism, and YOU want us to believe now you are the Christ? You should know better.
---kathr4453 on 11/5/12


John 6:37,44,65--This is the very heart of the Gospel of Jesus Christ which many find very hard to reconciled especially those who speak of a "free-will", ----christan on 10/25/12


The HEART of the Gospel is not election, the HEART of the Gospel is the CROSS.

John 6 further states that those who come to Him MUST eat His Flesh and Drink His blood and it's THOSE He will raise up in the last day.

You can brag all you want that you are His Elect. However the proof is IN THE CROSS. To eat His Flesh and Drink His Blood is "I AM CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST"

That my dear christan IS THE HEART of the Gospel, and the Heart of Galatians..the Book of GRACE!

We see on John 6 many FREELY Walked away!
---kathr4453 on 11/5/12


Luk_6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you, good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

Joh_1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Joh_13:23 Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.

You know I remember my life so well.
I remember sleeping with my father, on his bosom.
So safe, so secure, I still remember it, to this day.
I loved my father and my mother all their lives, so very much.
Even today!
Peace
---TheSeg on 11/4/12


kindly show in Luke ---christan on 10/31/12

Lk 8:9 Now His disciples inquired of Him, saying, "What may this parable be?"
10 Now He said, "To you has it been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of God, yet to the rest in parables, that, observing, they may not be observing, and hearing, they may not be understanding.

Luke Chapter 8, is before Chapter 16.

In that verse He is speaking to these:
16:14-15 Now the Pharisees.. And He said to them...

Pharisees were not disciples of the Lord.

Honesty and humility will require your acknowledgment of this reproof. It would be to your credit. You may be of the latter group, and I am ok with that.
---Phil on 11/4/12


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And when a saint dies, he goes into the "bosom" of Abraham? Wow! Wonder where Abraham is, in his own "bosom"? What is the "bosom" symbolic of? Many would say, "love and care" isn't it? And where can you find this? Paradise of course!

---christan on 10/31/12

christan, are you speculating here that Abraham's bosom is symbolic of love and care?

Or do you have any scripture to back your speculation up?
---kathr4453 on 11/4/12


"Is a parable. It says "bosom" not paradise. You mislead." Phil

You're adding on to the Word. Parables always starts "Then he told them many things in parables", kindly show in Luke 16:20-31 that it say so?

In parables, no names are mentioned, just two kinds of people God created. Vessels of honor/dishonor.

And when a saint dies, he goes into the "bosom" of Abraham? Wow! Wonder where Abraham is, in his own "bosom"? What is the "bosom" symbolic of? Many would say, "love and care" isn't it? And where can you find this? Paradise of course!

And you dare say "I declared the word of God." Even the devil will say so.
---christan on 10/31/12


Phil
My father died in 1999, he is also DEAD AND BURIED, and his grave is with us today too!

Act_2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he BOTH DEAD AND BURIED, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

Know that all this, is only because you cant believe it!
To you, he meant something else, right?
So, then you should say:
I declared the word of God. (As I see it) I will do it again for you:

And we do too!
But, dont we all kind of do this?

But the bible clearly says (resurrection) and you cant change that!
Or show me where the bible says, this was a temporal resurrection!
Peace
---TheSeg on 10/31/12


really, there are many ways...god is without limits.

but

i cannot hear (discern) with my mouth open and running

and

my mind closed and not changing.
---aka on 10/31/12


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You clearly confessed there's no resurrection of OT saints here, didn't you?--christan on 10/31/12

I declared the word of God. I will do it again for you:

Ac 2:29 Men [and] brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he BOTH DEAD AND BURIED, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

Peter knew the truth and proclaimed it. Resurrection is future.

I know the truth, which is available to all, and I believe it.

I do not follow cunningly devised fables.

Luke 16:20-31 Is a parable. It says "bosom" not paradise. You mislead. There are five parables, and the Lord spoke in parables after His rejection. It is not literal, else the other parables would be also.
---Phil on 10/31/12


"This is called slander. The attempt to ruin another's reputation with malicious words. It is sin." Phil

Slander? Malicious words? Didn't you say: "No OT saint has been resurrected to life. They are dead in their graves." Phil 10/28/12. Doesn't matter about other blogs what you have said, this was like three days ago only. You clearly confessed there's no resurrection of OT saints here, didn't you?

Your understanding of 2 Tim 2:18 is erroneous to say the least, for who greeted Lazarus in Paradise after he died in Luke 16:20-31? Wasn't it Abraham? Wasn't Abraham an OT saint? But how could this happen if your understanding is to be right? Isn't he supposed to be "dead in his grave"?
---christan on 10/31/12


No Phil, What God the father, the son, the Holy Ghost and the bible are saying is:
That Christ is the resurrection!

Joh_11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
The problem here seems to be one of belief.

To which you said:
2Ti_2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already, and overthrow the faith of some.

To which I say: Rev_7:9!
Rom_14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

It makes no difference to me, even if you don't believe!
Because says he, Mat_17:20!
Peace
---TheSeg on 10/31/12


---christan on 10/30/12 "First, there's no resurrection of the OT saints according to you. Now, even more gunk is coming out from your "hardened and darkened heart" (your own words) of lies and hate for the Truth that God's love for His elect is unwavering." --christan

This is called slander. The attempt to ruin another's reputation with malicious words. It is sin.

If you read my past posts elsewhere, you will be required to retract your remarks. I firmly believe in the resurrection of all mankind.

Some to eonian life, others to condemnation.

The Bible clearly states no one other than the Christ has experienced resurrection.

I do not lie, I believe God.
---Phil on 10/31/12


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The only way we can hear from God is if we have spiritual ears to hear. Hearing comes by the Word of God. If you have no spiritual ears, you cannot understand the Truth who is Christ or even have faith in Him, because faith comes from hearing.
---Mark_V. on 10/30/12


Revelation 2:7,11,17,29, 3:6,13,22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. John 10:4-5 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. True sheep know his voice and will not follow strangers! It's up to God [Father,Son, & Holy Spirit]who he will call, not you or i!
---J_Marc on 10/30/12


"His (satan) work now is among the elect, to ferret out the unwilling and fraudulent." Phil

First, there's no resurrection of the OT saints according to you. Now, even more gunk is coming out from your "hardened and darkened heart" (your own words) of lies and hate for the Truth that God's love for His elect is unwavering.

"And I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand." John 10:28,29. Confirmed by Paul in Romans 8:31-39.
---christan on 10/30/12


If I close my eyes and ears to God I get into trouble - that inner voice and the daily signs around me forever encouraging and driving me forward are the voice and spirit of God. We know it instinctively but few have the courage to truly believe it. What joy when we finally surrender to the truth and life becomes beautiful.
---Tyza on 10/30/12


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People listen, does the Holy Spirit speak!

Now(the Spirit speaketh expressly,)that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils,

Then(the Spirit said unto Philip,)Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.

While Peter thought on the vision,(the Spirit said unto him,)Behold, three men seek thee.

As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted,(the Holy Ghost said,)Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away.
So they,(being sent forth by the Holy Ghost,)departed unto Seleucia, and from thence they sailed to Cyprus.

Peace
---TheSeg on 10/29/12


Pray,Read the Bible and meditate on His message in the bible
---mj on 10/29/12


It is the failure to adhere strictly to the Writings, and believing them utterly, that is the hallmark of apostasy from the faith.

The Holy Spirit has no organs of speech, and only by superimposing itself on a willing and weaker vessel can it confirm the Word of God.

Stubborn self-confidence, religious zeal, tradition, and creedalism, are the evidences of a hardened and darkened heart.

Satan, the adversary, was transfigured from Calvary onward, to prevent the violent from entering by force. His work now is among the elect, to ferret out the unwilling and fraudulent.

Without the mercy of a gracious God, "there go I."
---Phil on 10/29/12


as a christian you hear God through prayers and reading the word of God.after prayer be still and listen attentively to your heart and God will speak gently to you,you will get to know through the joy,inner peace and assuarance of hope.never despair God is always with you and hears you.
---grace on 10/29/12


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FOC, "the Bible is a coded book"? You've been watching too many Hollywood nonsense to even come to that conclusion that the Word of God is "coded".

"I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right." Isaiah 45:19 - does it sound like God "coded" the Bible?

Out of your own heart, you speak a lie when you say the Scriptures are "coded". Now you know why your understanding of John 6:63 is erroneous? That's because the first ten words has not taken place in your heart.
---christan on 10/28/12


FoC, try to make this clear to yourself.
The Word of God is Jesus Christ, you cannot change this!

You seem to me, to be saying one must read the written word to believe.
\\Believers hear God by his written word only\\
The Bible does not say this, this is your view of the word of God.
The Bible says: So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Again, the word of God is Jesus Christ!

I, me! Did not come to believe in God because I read the bible!
I started reading the bible, well after I believed, already!

But just to make this clearer to yourself.
Find a saved blind, deaf and dumb man to reason with!
Peace
---TheSeg on 10/28/12


One of the first rules of Bible study is given in Isaiah, understanding the Bible is a coded book. God never intended for the book to broken up into chapters and verses this was done to make it easier to locate information, not because all information is contained in one verse.

Isaiah 28:10
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, and there a little:

To understand John 6:13, it is important to understand John 1:1, 1:14, describing the word, who is Christ Jesus, as the spoken word in the flesh, now as the recorded word by his disciples (Isaiah 8:16) and their testimony is how Believers hear God today.

Believers hear God by his written word only,
---Follower_of_Christ on 10/28/12


Seq, as regards creation and evolution I was clearly talking of proof in the scientific sense, where something is considered proven only if it can be tested, in the present, while observed, and the test must be repeatable, giving precisely the same result. For example we can observe that pure water boils at 100c, at sea level. We can repeat the same test and will get the same result.

Scientifically speaking (and that's where this discussion originated) even if a billion people are convinced of the truth of something it is not considered proven.

I believe that Scripture is absolute Truth and that the evidence we can see supports this belief. But nonetheless this is not proof, as proof requires no faith.
---Warwick on 10/28/12


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FOC, "choosing" to highlight the last fourteen words of John 6:63 without even giving credence to the first ten is nothing short of deceiving yourself. Christ decalred, "It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing..., half truth is no truth at all.

You cannot escape that according to Christ which you quoted, one has to be born of the Spirit first before that last fourteen words come into play or effect.

This is where your "free-will" falls flat. Why? Does one "choose" to be born again? John 1:13 explicitly says, "Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." "Free-will"? NOPE!
---christan on 10/27/12


FOC, half truth is no truth at all, one hear is because, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.", unless this happens first, Paul says

"For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God, that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God."

This applies to your statement too, Warwick. Do you see the word "you have to choose" anywhere in Paul's statement? He clearly says "received". Great difference!
---christan on 10/27/12


Warwick
What is evidence consider, when the preponderance of evidence or weight of evidence meet the burden of proof, beyond a reasonable doubt?

There the word, "choose" again.
\\BTW faith is a gift from God which we may choose to exercise.\\
I know faith is a gift and that every man is given a measure.
According as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

I choose to exercise it, to believe?
And what happen to those who don't exercise it, will they not believe?
And will their unbelief make the faith of God without affect?

This is the one that got me:
\\But whatever we may come to believe, however firmly, is not universal proof.\\

Remember"Father knows best", I do.
---TheSeg on 10/27/12


And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

So I take it you dont believe the Holy Spirit is in the world today or that he is your teacher.
2Co_3:6.

You said:
We hear from God through the written word (only.)
Yes, you can (only) hear God through the written Word.
---TheSeg on 10/27/12


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John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they (words) are spirit, and they are life.

Ephesians 6:17
And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Yes, you can only hear God through the written Word (John 1:14), who is Christ Jesus, and the spirit which teaches the knowledge of the word agrees with the written word 2 Corinthians 13:14
---Follower_of_Christ on 10/27/12


Seq, you wrote "Evidence is only considered evidence, until you consider it proof!" I don't follow.

BTW faith is a gift from God which we may choose to exercise. But whatever we may come to believe, however firmly, is not universal proof.
---Warwick on 10/27/12


We hear from God through the written word only.
Follower_of_Christ on 10/27/12

If this is what you believe then you do not believe the word of God, the lord Jesus Christ!
Because you dont see him, Joh_14:17!

The lord said!
Joh_15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Joh_16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Tell us do you not believe the very word of God, Christ?
Peace
---TheSeg on 10/27/12


Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

Luke 10:24 For I tell you, that many prophets and kings have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them, and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

Followers of the Lord Jesus today hear him through the written word.

We hear from God through the written word only.
---Follower_of_Christ on 10/27/12


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"Those who 'listens and 'learns' the Father gives to Jesus!
Peace"
---TheSeg on 10/26/12

I assent.

John 15:1_3 "I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you."
---Nana on 10/27/12


Ruben, John 6:37 specifically reads "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." and not "v 37 'Everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him" {choose to believe}

"choose to believe" is never in Scripture and is added to justify your love for free-will. It's rubbish and that's because Christ said in verse 29, "This is the work of God, that ye believe on Him whom He hath sent." In other words, the sinner that "believe" in the Son is because the Father has drawn him, which Christ confirms in v44,65.

You may fool many like you've been fooled yourself but not God's people.
---christan on 10/27/12


Ruben
Everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him ({choose to believe } well)

How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

So your saying:
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me.
(your right and)
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him:

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Those who 'listens and 'learns' the Father gives to Jesus!
Peace
---TheSeg on 10/26/12


Hello,Mary,Just in case so know, Left. You Two prayers,on online at the wonderfull Prayer Room, so you know God is in this,I just feel it! Alot of my prayers have been answered! Wow! I am so glad I got on there for you! Just watch, and also, since I had been out busy, left you a prayeron, what's up for October? If they do not post,you got one in the CNT prayer Room.thankyou, God.loveof JESUS! ELENA.
---ELENA on 10/26/12


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John 6:37,44,65

This is the very heart of the Gospel of Jesus Christ which many find very hard to reconciled especially those who speak of a "free-will", which is completely crushed by what Christ declared. It contradicts and does not support "free-will".
---christan on 10/25/12

Really, lets see:

v 37 ' Everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him " {choose to believe }

v45 Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me."

Those who 'listens and 'learns' the Father gives to Jesus!
---Ruben on 10/26/12


JMarc, well spoken, and it's even Scriptural what you wrote on 10/24/12.

"All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. NO MAN CAN COME TO ME, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. And He said, Therefore said I unto you, that NO MAN CAN COME TO ME, EXCEPT it were given unto him of my Father." John 6:37,44,65

This is the very heart of the Gospel of Jesus Christ which many find very hard to reconciled especially those who speak of a "free-will", which is completely crushed by what Christ declared. It contradicts and does not support "free-will".
---christan on 10/25/12


"How to hear from God?"

And the Word of God which is the written Scripture is not from God that you desire to hear directly from Him?

"It is the Spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." John 6:63

You need to be "born of the Spirit of God" for the Words of God to come alive.
---christan on 10/25/12


God (Ya) knows who his sheep are! Hebrews 3:7 Wherefore as the Holy Ghost saith, Today if ye will hear his voice,Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:John 10:4-5 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. turu sheep know his vice and will not follow strangers! It's uu to God who he will call, not you or i!
---J_Marc on 10/24/12


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It's not that difficult! You must be saved. Spend a lot of time with God. Talk to Him. Ask Him questions, which I am good at. Be a good listener. And obey Him. Don't ask God what to do, and then ignore Him.
---pat on 10/24/12


by being "swift to hear, slow to speak, and slow to wrath" (in James 1:19) > listening for God, not only for our own thoughts! (c: And trust God to have us succeed in hearing Him, "casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you." (1 Peter 5:7) Trust Him with our care about if we really are hearing Him.

Also, I note how the Holy Spirit "makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered." (in Romans 8:26) He hears the Holy Spirit's prayer for you. And this prayer is deeper than words > "which cannot be uttered."

So, communication with God in His love can be deeper than words.
---willie_c: on 10/24/12


There are no human faculties for the hearing of God's voice.
Paul encountered God's exalted and glorified Son on the road to Damascus. It cost him his eyesight. This was the Chief Messenger, and not God the Father, though.

God's holy spirit making it's home in us confirms and superimposes His revealed truth to our minds. Otherwise we would not apprehend God whatsoever.

God's Image, Christ Jesus, is all we have ever known of God the Father.

No man has ever seen God or heard His voice. The Logos has always been God to us. He is the express image of the invisible God.
---Phil on 10/24/12


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