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Christan, by the way, Kathr is a woman, not a man. She is confused. She is a hater for the Truth, and does not even know it. I don't know why all the hostility but one thing is for sure, she is at the right place at the right time God ordained her to be. And permits her to do what she is doing. It all has a purpose. Nothing can be concealed from God
"For I know the things that come into your mind, everyone of them" (Ezek. 11:5). Though He is invisible to us, we are not so to Him.
"For a man's heart deviseth his way: but the Lord directeth his steps" (Prov. 16:9).
---MarkV. on 11/9/12


"The SIN of the OT is forgiven and washed away IN CHRIST. Even those who crucified teh Lord..." kathr

Didn't Matthew 1:21 say, "...thou shalt call his name Jesus: for He shall save His people from their sins." Is "everybody" His people? If God didn't forgive Adam'n'Eve for the sin of disobedience, you really think those who crucified His Son are going to get away with it? Ya, right.

"No one is under the LAW today."

Only those elected into salvation is set free from the curse of the law in Christ, everyone else outside of Christ is still under the law! And you call yourself a Christian? The Dalai Lama would have been proud of you!
---christan on 11/8/12


Christian & Mark V, Great comments! Be encouraged!1st Corinthians 14:31-33 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

---J_Marc on 11/8/12


"Please sho us how Paul uses Romans 9 in Galatians." kathr

It's like asking, "show us Jesus in the OT". His Name wasn't mentioned, does it mean He wasn't present in the OT? How absurd you sound and you want to teach people about Scriptures?

But I'll humor you, "But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace, To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen, immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood" Galatians 1:15,16 - isn't Paul confirming election as also in Romans 8:28-30?

Oh, if you noticed, Paul didn't say he had to "accept" Christ but rather "God revealed His Son in me".
---christan on 11/8/12


James 1:16-17 Do not err, my beloved brethren.Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.Malalchi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not, therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.Isaiah 57:15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy, I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.1st John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
---J_Marc on 11/8/12




Kathr, rediculous stuff you write,
"The SIN of the OT is forgiven and washed away IN CHRIST. Even those who crucified teh Lord, Jesus said Forgive them for they know not what they do."
Such garbish you speak. They died in their sins rejecting the Lord.
Then say that God does not kill anyone. I suppose they just drop dead. Do you even know the Holy Spirit? He is God. Do you have any clue why Ananias dropped dead and died? including his wife? hello. He falls down and dies (exepsyxen, used primarily in accounts of death as a result of divine judgment--Acts 5:10, 12:23, Judg 4:21). God, the knower of all hearts, has assessed Ananias's unrepentant heart and immediately judged him for his sin (contrast Acts 15:8).
---Mark_V. on 11/8/12


Isaiah 26:10 Let grace be shown to the wicked, yet will he not learn righteousness: in the land of uprightness will he deal unjustly, and will not behold the majesty of the LORD.Isaiah 57:15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy, I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones1st John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly, and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.



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---J_Marc on 11/8/12


jmarc, I do not live in the past. Nor does God. What ever indictment was brought against Israel under whatever circumstances at that time is not a universal indictment to all mankind.

John 3:14-17 prove that fact.

The SIN of the OT is forgiven and washed away IN CHRIST. Even those who crucified teh Lord, Jesus said Forgive them for they know not what they do.

No one is under the LAW today. No more Eye for Eye. No more LAW that condemns without a CROSS that forgives.

Acts 5:19-22

Todsy we live in te age of GRACE...Who so ever will may come BOLDLY to the Throne of GRACE! It's been thoroughly sprinkled by the Blood of Jesus Christ.

That's right jmarc, the MERCY SEAT!
---kathr4453 on 11/7/12


kathr4453 on 11/7/12 "and jmarc, we are saved from wrath "THROUGH" CHRIST." j marc- AMEN!!
"Who "warned YOU" to flee the wrath to come?"j marc- The Holy Spirit! "Did you not first bring forth works meet for repentacne?" j marc- Many times over!
& i will not respond to you again! Psalms 55:18-20 He hath delivered my soul in peace from the battle that was against me: for there were many with me.God shall hear, and afflict them, even he that abideth of old. Selah. Because they have no changes, therefore they fear not God. He hath put forth his hands against such as be at peace with him: he hath broken his covenant.
---J_Marc on 11/7/12


Christan, please provie scripture in Galatians that Paul teaches election.

Please sho us how Paul uses Romans 9 in Galatians.

Salvation is not by election, but through Christ.

and jmarc, we are saved from wrath "THROUGH" CHRIST.

Who "warned YOU" to flee the wrath to come? Did you not first bring forth works meet for repentacne?
---kathr4453 on 11/7/12




"Is your salvation based upon 1.having the faith of Abraham," kathr

1. The "faith" that Abraham had is similar those whom the Lord has chosen to salvation "For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD", that's why "faith" from God is from without.

"or the election of Jacob, who needed NO FAITH whatsoever."

Seriously, how then did Jacob please God? Didn't the Bible declare, "But without faith it is impossible to please Him"? Isn't Jacob in Paradise with Abraham? How did he get there without "faith"? What kind of moronic salvation you teach!

Talk about holes in underwears...
---christan on 11/7/12


Kathr, Hell is the grave!1st Peter 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being DISOBIEDENT: whereunto also they were APPOINTED. APPOINTED!! Revelation 6:17 For the great day of his WRATH is come, and who shall be able to stand? WRATH!! WRATH!! please !
---J_Marc on 11/7/12


MarkV, teh reason Jesus died on a cross was to SAVE SINNERS!

Romans 1-2 tell us man was responsible for seering his own conscience. The Gospelwas FIRST PREACHED to Adam/Eve and Cain and Abel....God never murdered anyone MarkV. That's blasphemy.

MAN was already born in sin HELLO!

In Adam ALL die Period.

That is why we need to preach the Gospel so that who so ever will may find LIFE in Christ.

Noah preached before the Flood for 125 years. WHAT exactly do you think he preached? "God Hates You and He is getting ready to Murder you HA HA HA...so tough?!" You say yes?


Can you PROVE that in Scripture smart mouth?
---kathr4453 on 11/7/12


Christan, that verse still has nothing to do with the conversation here.

It only proves God's plan of salvation to save sinners.

It's explained thoroughly in Hebrews 2 if you care to read it.

So, keep your own smoke , I don't need a smoke screen.
---kathr4453 on 11/7/12


Christan, they have hardened their hearts so much, that even simple logic is meaningless. Kathr is the worse. They argue,

"God is not WILLING, that is, God never "WILLED" anyone to perish."

God killed thousands Himself, and commanded many millions of people to be killed, and they perish in their sins. I guess those don't count. They were only human beings without the gospel. Jesus died on the cross by obedying God the Father. yet when it comes to sinners, they say God does not want them to perish. When Scripture already tells us He will bring justice to many at the Great White Throne of Judgment. What horrible book are they reading? It is not the Bible. Talk about a twisted mind.
---Mark_V. on 11/7/12


"You actually believe Jesus could have perished? And you are suggesting that verse applies to GOD?" kathr

You talk so much that you are even blinded by your own smoke coming out of your heart.

The verses presented to you in Isaiah 53:10 and Acts 4:27,28 merely tells us that it was God's will that He sent His own Son to die at Calvary and that the principle players in His crucifixion was even predestined by God, hence Peter's declaration: "For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done."

Learn to speak less and harken onto the words of the Lord.
---christan on 11/7/12


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A serious question to our hyper Calvinists. Is your salvation based upon 1.having the faith of Abraham, or

2. the election of Jacob, who needed NO FAITH whatso ever.

Galatians, the awesome book of Faith + nothing explaining salvation BY GRACE, THROUH FAITH (not election)that is Christ Crucified never once mentions Jacob or ELECTION based upon the unconditional election of Jacob as your reference point.

In Isaac will thy seed be called. Jacob wasn't CALLED did you know that. Jacob was chosen to be the head of a Nation.

God never Chose YOU unconditionally to be head of anything.

Christ is our Head, and HE alone was Chosen to be head of the CHURCH.
---kathr4453 on 11/6/12


j-marc, here is what one is appoint te of they reject Jesus Christ...HELL!

God NEVER pre-appointed any individual to hell UNCONDITIONALLY!

And a stone of stumbling. The rejection of the Saviour becomes the means of their ruin. They refuse to build on him, and it is as if one should run against a solid projecting cornerstone of a house, that would certainly be the means of their destruction. Compare the notes at Luke 2:34. An idea similar to this occurs in Matthew 21:44, "Whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken." The meaning is, that if this foundation-stone is not the means of their salvation, it will be of their ruin. They cannot reject him without the most fearful consequences to their souls.
---kathr4453 on 11/6/12


HAVE YOU NOTICED HOW CHRISTAN ONLY TELLS HALF TRUTHS, AND NOT THE WHOLE TRUTH!

ACTS 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

32 And we are his witnesses of these things, and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.



HALF TRUTHS ARE CALLED LIES!
---kathr4453 on 11/6/12


Wow Christan... Jesus Christ isn't suffering eternal separation from God.

Talk about scripture twisting!
---JackB on 11/6/12


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Doctrine of Paul? Colossians 3:6 For which things' sake the WRATH of God cometh on the children of DISOBIEDENCE:Doctrine of Peter? 1st Peter 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being DISOBIEDENT: whereunto also they were APPOINTED. Doctrine Of Christ!Revelation 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come, and who shall be able to stand?
---J_Marc on 11/6/12


christan, are you on drugs??

You actually believe Jesus could have perished? And you are suggesting that verse applies to GOD?

Man, you are like a slippery slimy snake christan. No matter what one says, YOU are always totally twisting beyond anything anyone ever stated to make a NON POINT.

That remark is as pointless as you having a hole in your underwear.
---kathr4453 on 11/6/12


Christan: Sorry you are being picked on here. I think there is much hurt underneath all your bitterness. I hope God heals you of all your pain and gives you a new heart.
---TheTruth on 11/6/12


Sooooo now it's unconditional hatred, or is it conditioned upon obedience or disobedience.

And Christan's verse PROVES that that applies to all men everywhere? He won't even accept it was addressed to a NATION, now he wants to apply this to ALL MEN? Or is it Just between Jacob the man and Esau the man?

If it applies to them alone then it is not a universal UNCONDITIONAL Hatred God has for anyone.

If God wanted to PROVE this was how it works, Genesis would have begun, Abel I loved and Cain I hated. However it does not.

Therefore, since no other scriptures back up a universal unconditional hatred upon the unelect, your doctrine is FALSE!
---kathr4453 on 11/6/12


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"God is not WILLING, that is, God never "WILLED" anyone to perish."

"Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him, He hath put Him to grief" Isaiah 53:10 - whose will is being expressed? "For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done." Acts 4:27,28 - it's God's will these "players" were created to perform an evil act against Christ.

Yet they'll be found guilty "The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree." Acts 5:30
---christan on 11/6/12


Kathr,Children of God or disobiedence? Is it our choice? Colossians 3:6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:1st Peter 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were APPOINTED.Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
---J_Marc on 11/6/12


"God does not UNCONDITIONALLY without any reason what so ever HATE." kathr

I'll let Scripture shut your big fat mouth, "For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth" Romans 9:11

"Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction." Romans 9:21,22

Learned anything yet? I think not...
---christan on 11/6/12


If you continue to read in Luke Jesus gives a clear explanation of what He means by hating mother father etc.

But when we take one verse and fail to read around it we certainly do come up with a distorted picture of what Jesus/God Holy Spirit teach.

The same with Romans 9-11 christan. You take ONE VERSE in Romans 9 or 1 verse in John 6 and totally fail to apply the same principle. You squawk over Luke for that reason, but don't allow anyone to squawk when you distort a verse out of context.

Hope you have LEARNED a lesson here!
---kathr4453 on 11/6/12


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Christan, I'm not sure if you posted that before or after my post.

It's obvious you are still understanding those verses with a human love and hate.

God does not UNCONDITIONALLY without any reason what so ever HATE. God is Love christan.
And even if you want to keep on with your, God picked me...or better yet say God LOVES ME, but He HATES YOU...is even more perverted than you know. But that is what YOU teach and believe.

I showed you a verse in Luke that Jesus said, and you accuse ME of something you "THINK" I SAID.

When will you ever STOP falsely accusing others Christan?

God no more HATED Esau in your understanding of HATE as one in YOUR understanding of HATE HATES ones mother and father.
---kathr4453 on 11/6/12


jmarc, you failed to post the whole verse in Malachi. I continues that Jacob is Israel and Esau is EDOM..it states it right there. And Paul is quoting Malachi in Romans. So those who have done their homework know Paul was talking about Jacob as being called to be God's elect people on earth to be a light to the Nations and bring in Jesus Christ, and Esau He did not choose for this task.

Remember too God said SATAN was a murderer from the Beginning.

The hyper-calvinists doctrine makes God too a murderer from the beginning.

God is not WILLING, that is, God never "WILLED" anyone to perish.
---kathr4453 on 11/5/12


kathr, your understanding of Luke 14:26 is seriously flawed that God commands one to hate the parents in order to go to Him. To even begin with, the hate God has for Esau is not the same as that of Luke 14:26.

Here's why, when you become a Christian and your parents are unbelievers... the choice is simple, you will love God with all your heart, soul and mind, before your parents. And here's how flawed your perverted heart is, if the Christian man has parents who believers are you to tell me they have to hate their parents who are in Christ? Seriously?

Whereas God's hate for Esau was unconditional just like His love for Jacob was unconditional (Romans 9:11 declares that).
---christan on 11/5/12


Interesting we have to hear night and day here how God hated Esau who in their mind God hated all he did not elect. SO TWISTED. And then they get all out of sorts with the verse that we are to hate our mother and father.

Truth be told, if they actually did research on Jacob I loved and Esau I hated, in no way states Esau's descendents were for-ordained to be the unelect.

God chose Abraham, but never said Abraham I loved and ALL ELSE I hated, or Isaac I loved and Ishmael I hated.

God's love is not a human emotion of love hate the way we understand love and hate.

So even that verse in Luke is not telling us to use a human emotion of hate resulting in sin or murder, anymore than God is guilty of murder as they teach!
---kathr4453 on 11/5/12


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Not our will, it's his will being done! Ephesians 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:Malalchi 1:2-3 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
---J_Marc on 11/5/12


Yes He did conquer death through the Cross, and we too conquer death to self as we are baptized into His death that we are raised up a new creature In Christ.

Going through that death blow with Christ at Calvary is a most painful experience called the fellowship of His sufferings, being made CONFORMABLE TO HIS DEATH ...this is what WE are predestined to and for.

If you actually read the scripture concerning predestinaton, you would see that clearly written.

We don't want anyone to think they are SUFFERING in vain now do we, and run away from the POWER OF THE CROSS, right into false teachers arms like WOF or Calvinism who say ,"Jesus suffered so you don't have to"
---kathr4453 on 11/5/12


--kathr4453 on 11/5/12 Luke 14:26

Reproof received. Now the grace to seek God's heart and counsel on this correction. Thank you.
---Phil on 11/5/12


WELL CHRISTAN, by the time Isaiah was written, Israel was a Nation...Jacob was dead!
---kathr4453 on 11/5/12


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Guess I should go burn my parents alive now. I mean God said to "hate" them! Derp!

Well, there is that one little thing that God said to Ezekiel in 18:32...

"For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent and live!"

And as He also instructs us in Proverbs 24

Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth: Lest the LORD see it, and it displease him, and he turn away his wrath from him.

Hyper-Calvinists have twisted the beauty of Yahweh and changed him into a sadist. And all for their OWN benefit.


"Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain"
---JackB on 11/5/12


Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Look it up christan, the EXACT SAME word scripture uses for Esau!

Oh My My My My My My My My My!

It sure does christan.

So is it possible THEN that God really didn't HATE Esau like you teach, and maybe just maybe YOU have taken that verse out of context?
---kathr4453 on 11/5/12


"I showed you a verse stating JACOB MY SERVANT and Israel mine Elect." kathr

Israel here is a nation? Seriously? Let Scripture remind you, "And He said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed." Genesis 32:28

At this point between God and Jacob, was there even a nation called Israel? NO! So, obviously "Israel my elect" is a person called Jacob, giving credence to "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." God's love was for a particular person called Jacob and not the nation Israel.

You read the Scriptures but with no understanding.
---christan on 11/5/12


"God hated Esau with the "SAME HATE" you are to HATE your Mother and Father with. Deal with it!" kathr

My, my, my. Did God commanded the man "to HATE your Mother and Father"? Oh, please tell us where it says so in the Scripture from Genesis to Revelation?

Rather, I'll show you what He commanded us to do, "Honour thy father and thy mother"! Do you see "hate" here?

It's like in the garden all over again, "And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die" even after God told Adam, "for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die".
---christan on 11/5/12


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MarkV, peace be with you. It's very true what David wrote, "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me, thy rod and thy staff they comfort me."

Why should a Christian ever fear evil? After all, didn't God create them for a purpose? He did declare, "The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil."

As for the greatest of all evil, our Lord and Savior has already conquered "death" when He rose from the dead, that "His people" may live.
---christan on 11/5/12


Ok now that MarkV has interrupted, lets get BACK to the conversation I was having with Christan before this old and obvious smoke screen came along AGAIN.

We were discussing the BLOOD of Jesus, Limited atonement, and Election.

Funny how this little game they play keeps happening whenever they just can't squirm out of it...so it's Lets cuse a smoke screen and change the subject to kathr.

So now Christan, I showed you a verse stating JACOB MY SERVANT and Israel mine Elect.

Are you still going to tell us "Israel" was NOT God's elect Nation to be a light to the Gentiles AND to bring in the Messiah?

The CHURCH is who is ELECT, made up of many menbers.
---kathr4453 on 11/5/12


Sister Shira, thank you for the correction. I'm not surprise that even a type o rattles the opposers to the Truth. She knew what I meant alright and so did he who laughs. Peace I leave you.

Elena, thanks for trying to bring peace to others, your advice was taken by me a few years ago, but that was thrown in my face. It is impossible for the opposers of the Truth to change. Only God can change a person, I cannot. Peace I leave you.
---Mark_V. on 11/5/12


Kathr, I was wondering where you were at.
---Mark_V. on 11/1/12

MarkV is always wondering where "I" am at. He searches day and night for my posts and then starts arguments. He even butts into others conversations so he can be close to me. MarkV is obsessed with me, and his comment here proves it.

If markv took off a couple weeks, I COULD CARE LESS.

Believe me I have better things to do than WONDER where MarkV is..really.

My conversation was with Christan, NOT YOU MARKV. Busy body WOMAN! But every time you get involved it turns into a three ring circus.
---kathr4453 on 11/5/12


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what a grap is is beyong me. lol.
---aka on 11/4/12


I think markv had a type o. he meant to say grab. the attacks just keep going and keep going.
---shira4368 on 11/4/12


Chimpanzee's share about 98% of our human genes,therefore are they not also pretty much in the image of God and shouldn't we show them that respect.Should we respect chimpanzees.
---atheist on 11/4/12


Good blogg! Beloved,ELENA been tell folks,for years,if we do not try & get along here,how do we think God going to promote us? Ever be with the lord? We are to love one another.what happen to love one another? I learn best to forgive,move on or you still be stagnant,the devil has a field day off your & my misery! When you show your enemies they don't "hold loose change"to.rattle you! enough, mean nothing they can do.to.get.next to you" God has you & he realizes your issues.He right there sail you through the rough seas! Trust Him. His way sweet,tested & tried! Amen.
---ELENA on 11/4/12


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I don't know what grap means, but I never let go of the truth. Am I suppose to let go of the truth MarkV?

You wish!

Only Jesus can't take you through the valley of the shadow of death and bring you out to resurrection life MarkV. It's a privilege you may never know! Don't turn it into something it's not.



---kathr4453 on 11/4/12


Science says human genes are 99% the same, yet we always emphasize our differences. Would God be pleased more if we appreciate our likenesses, and if so how do we start?
---Geraldine on 10/26/12

God is really concerned with character not genetics

Genetically we are all the same, but in terms of character we differ

There are two characters available to us:
John 8:44 father the devil,
Matthew 6:9 Father which art in heaven,
---francis on 11/4/12


Kathr, I cannot be more clear when I stated "the shadow of death." I am convinced beyong" a shadow of doubt" that much trouble is ahead for Christan because when you grap someone you just don't let go.
---Mark_V. on 11/4/12


Isaiah 45:4
For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.


And YES christan, SCRIPTURE, that is GOD'S WORD, WHETHER YOU UNDERSTAND IT OR NOT, says exactly "ISRAEL" MINE ELECT.

The WHOLE NATION was God's Elect.
---kathr4453 on 11/4/12


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You are walking through the shadow of death. Fear no evil for God is with you.
---Mark_V. on 11/4/12

Oh please! Seriously markv, the shadow of death? You actually believe the shadow of death is being confronted? Spewing doctrine, that is one's flavor of doctrine will NEVER take you through the valley of the shadow of death. That's the problem, YOU actually believe it does, again thwarting the doctrine of the Cross, and replacing it with the doctrine of "I AM ELECT and you are not"!


So Jesus is attacking Christan's mother and father, correct MarkV?

God hated Esau with the "SAME HATE" you are to HATE your Mother and Father with. Deal with it!
---kathr4453 on 11/4/12


Christan, you just can't see/understand it.

"ALL" came out of Egypt didn't they,..The "ALL" here would be "ALL Israel the NATION".

ALL came out under the BLOOD didn't they christan? ALL again meaning the WHOLE NATION ISRAEL ...correct Christan!

Now please find according to your false doctrine, that only CERTAIN INDIVIDUAL ELECT JEWS put blood on their door-post, or better yet, find that verse proving that ALL Israel put blood over their door-post but ONLY THE ELECT according LIMITED ATONEMENT were saved.


Before we can go further christan, "PROVE" limited atonement in the OT!

You CAN'T because God NEVER established any such doctrine.
---kathr4453 on 11/4/12


Christan, she found another she can attack. Even threw your mother and father in there. Because she has no biblical answers whatsoever. She never answers the questions, she just add's more questions and more talk. Walk carefully my brother. You are walking through the shadow of death. Fear no evil for God is with you.
---Mark_V. on 11/4/12


"Of all the nations of the world, you claim God only hated one nation, Edom?" kathr

There you go again, adding words to what I did not even say. If your knowledge of the OT is anything to go by, you will know that God's "people was only Israel" which He "chosed".

However, you will even notice that multitudes of Jews were destroyed by Him, so why is that? Since you claim the "whole nation of Israel" are the elect? God doesn't destroy those whom He loves in Christ, which then questions your understanding of "election", which is foolishness and erroneous.

And you still have not answered my questions only to twist and turn what I say, which you do well, very well.
---christan on 11/3/12


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Of all the nations of the world, you claim God only hated one nation, Edom? How silly christan.

Believe what you want christan, you will anyway regardless of what anyone shows you through scripture.

You are who Jesu referred to as seing but do not see, and hearing but do not hear.


Does God still hate Edom today? Who exactly are the Edomites God hates christan?Where do they live, and what are there names?

You can't answer that can you?

Do you HATE your mother and father Christan? For if you don't as Jesus commanded, YOU are in direct violation of scripture, and worldly to boot!
---kathr4453 on 11/3/12


kathr, and yet you cannot answer for all the "knowledge" you claim to have about the nation Israel that God, who is their God destroyed multitudes of Jews. Such is your understanding that you cannot even explain why God would destroy the Jews who you believe is "the elect nation".

"The two nations" simply points those whom He loved and hated as taught by Romans 9. Vessels of honour and dishonour. If He loved "Israel" as you claimed was represented by "Jacob", why would He destroy multitudes of Jews?

Such is your foolish and erroneous theory that people will mock at you for spreading your word that God loves the nation Israel and still destroys them.
---christan on 11/3/12


Christan does not understand God's Word.

Concerning Jacob and Esau. Jacob became the NATION Israel, Esau became the NATION EDOM. Genesis 25:23
And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, "and two manner of people" shall be separated from thy bowels, and the one people shall be stronger than the other people, and the elder shall serve the younger.

The two manner of People is MY PEOPLE ISRAEL and not my People Edom.


Again, for what purpose here?
Salvation/election?
Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee, and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet "unto the nations".
---kathr4453 on 11/3/12


Scott1, do you see anywhere in Romans 9 that Paul says "God knows"? To say He "knows", you're in deep error for verse 21 says, "Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?" meaning Jacob was created to be a vessel of honour and Esau, dishonour.

All this comes down to God's election, 11 "For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth."

14 "What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid." God does as He pleases!
---christan on 11/2/12


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Scott 1, God did create everything. But it was God who put division between the people in (Gen. 3:15) after the fall.
"I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed"
God was not forced to do that. He could have just punished Adam and left it that way. But He didn't. After cursing the physical serpent satan, the first gospel is given. It is prophetic of the struggle and its outcome between (your seed) satan and unbelievers, who are called the Devils children in (John 8:44) and her Seed (Christ a descendant of Eve, and those in Him) which began in the garden. It is expedient that we understand this division within people since the Bible tells us so. That doesn't mean God is not Love.
---Mark_V. on 11/2/12


What does God say about it? 1st John 2:15-17 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
Ecclesiastes 1:2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities, all is vanity
---J_Marc on 11/1/12


yes, some will reject the love of God and God knows who will reject him (Romans 9 like you have said). But that does not mean that they are not his children (he created all of us, even children of the flesh) and He does not love them. God gives us our hearts desire, and some choose self-reliance over surrender. "narrow is the road that leads to life" Matt 7:14. 2 Peter 3:9 "... but everyone come to repentance" Which goes back to the orginial question "how do we start to appreciate our likenesses" As God's children. This is my third post on this blog so end of discussion for me.
---Scott1 on 11/1/12


"His child. The parable of the prodical son." Scott1

And everyone born into this world is His child? Then Paul must be lying when he said, "They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed." Romans 9:8

And they are like the prodigal son? Btw, you cannot be a prodigal son when to begin with, you're not even His son.
---christan on 10/31/12


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//So, how do you think God sees the man?//

His child. The parable of the prodical son.

in viewing everyone both christian and non-christian as God's son or daughter we have a connection and feel the heart break that God experiences when we humans reject Him, a loving father, aka sin.
As far as Hindu and Buddism under the rule of karma says that if bad things are happening to someone it is justified because of their bad actions and thus no actions should be taken to soften those consquences. Not very forgiveness or grace or loving. God is Love.
---Scott1 on 10/31/12


"Let us be one in spirit, but many members in Christ." Phil

Maybe you would like to enlighten us as to how one can become a "spirit" and become a "member in Christ". So, is it by your own will or is it by the will of God that one become's a "spirit" as "God is spirit"? Is it really all that simple as the way make it out to be?

It's one thing to quote verses from the Scripture and another to use it in the right context, isn't it?
---christan on 10/31/12


1Jn 1:5 . This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

I do not think He is creating us in His image to be just one "color".

The differences have a divine reason behind them. To forsake that in order to "get along" is not in the plan. We are all different wavelengths in the spectrum of God's love.

Let us be one in spirit, but many members in Christ.
---Phil on 10/31/12


"how about seeing everybody as God sees them." Scott1

So, how do you think God sees the man? By the way 1 Corinthians 12 deals with the Christians and not unbelievers, just like all the other Epistles.

Christ's instruction to His disciples is to "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned.".

Where and when did Christ say "seeing everybody's differences (short of current sin) as a benefit not a hinderance to this thing called humanity."? You want to be a humanitarian, become a Buddhist or a Hindu. That's not even the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
---christan on 10/30/12


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\\they are thinking they know more than God.\\

And YOU are obviously think that you know more about a subject you don't understand than someone who has studied it for years.

What is the difference?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/27/12


in the first place, I would not place too much stock in what these scientist are saying, today! I believe in their mentality, they are thinking they know more than God. To answer your question, Just stay in faith. We don't need to know everything. Actually, what man knows they get from God, who never gets no kind of credit for anything. Satan messes up what God does. Only if God allows it. So, it's just a real mess, including the minds of humans. Hallelujah
---pat on 10/27/12


Yes, I agree with your thoughts that God intended there be differences. But I think he wanted those differences to be used for loving help in the world, not for getting the highest grade or score, making the most touchdowns and making faces at opposing teams, or looking down our noses at ANYbody, used for healing, not stealing. Appreciating likenesses draws us together.
---Geraldine on 10/26/12


Geraldine, if God wanted us to all be the same, don't you think we would be? Even inanimate objects such as stars differ from each other, as the Bible says.

I think God likes variety.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/26/12


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We can paint things with our own brush . . . how we see fit to see things and people. But then the real things and people under all our paint do what they do because of who they really are, instead of who we dictate they must be.

And because we think we are so right, we can get so angry when people do not go our way.

"So then, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath, for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God." (James 1:19-20)
---willie_c: on 10/26/12


how about seeing everybody as God sees them. Or even better seeing everybody's differences (short of current sin) as a benefit not a hinderance to this thing called humanity. 1 Corth 12.
---Scott1 on 10/26/12


The anwser is no. i used to be goodlooking! Now it does'nt matter! 1st John 2:15-17 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
Ecclesiastes 1:2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities, all is vanity
---J_Marcus on 10/26/12


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