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Resurrected Jews Immortal

In 1 Timothy 6:16 it says there is only One who has immortality. What about the resurrected Jews in Matthew 27:53? Are they still around and immortal too?

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"I believe, you like many others believe Christ, had to be resurrected to resurrect! Why is that?" The Seg I know that I am late addressing this question, I did not notice it at the time. What exactly was said by me to make you believe that? What I actually believe is what Jesus boldly said "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he die, he 'shall' live." Jhn 11:25
---Josef on 12/22/12


Bear in mind, I didnt write this for you!

Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.

For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain, ye are yet in your sins.

Peace!
---TheSeg on 11/11/12


The saints of Israel roused from sleep in their tombs were resurrected, but not vivified in Christ.

They, along with Lazarus and Jairus'daughter, all died again, and are awaiting resurrection and vivification [quickening KJV] of Him who was made the Life-Giving Spirit [1C 15:45]

With Christ in heaven and not on earth at this time, being made alive apart from Him cannot take place.

Raised to life while He was here? He demonstrated that He was and is the resurrection.

Raised incorruptible? No one will be until He returns and commences His reign on earth.

Until then all return to hades at death, and so remain.
---Phil on 11/11/12


"Its funny right! How everyone keeps saying see, look at 1Corinthians_15:21-23." The Seg

You are right when you quoted John 6:44. And I add on that unless that happens first to the sinner, none of the epistles can be applied to him and that's why you get many here quoting the epistles and going all out of tune with their understanding.

The truth is that they have been deceived into thinking that salvation is all up to them and that Christ's death at Calvary only made mankind savable and cannot save the sinner unless that "accept" Him. Yet Christ said before He gave up His spirit, "It is finished."
---christan on 11/10/12


Christ the firstfruits,
(The first fruits, Not the first fruit, but fruits more than one!)


Proverbs 30:6
Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Tammy the representatives
Susan the nurses
Jim the doctors

yes by adding your idea (ignoring Gods warning and essentially changing the written word to suit your idea) you have created new meaning and reject Gods written word, in addition to the obvious

there are no scriptures to support your theory that there were others resurrected with Christ, however there are numerous scriptures that support the correct understanding I provided.
---Follower_of_Christ on 11/10/12




Its funny right!
How everyone keeps saying see, look at 1Corinthians_15:21-23.
For since by man came death,
(Adam)
by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
(Christ)
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
(Nice and clear!)
But every man in his own order:
(as you believe it is, But, only because you dont believe it.)
Christ the firstfruits,
(The first fruits, Not the first fruit, but fruits more than one!)
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
(Because, in truth! You are waiting.)

For, as it is written!
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him:
and I will raise him up at the last day!
Peace
---TheSeg on 11/10/12


Matthew 27:53
And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Nowhere in this Matthew 27:53 suggests anyone was resurrected. It is easy to understand Matthew 27:53 is not a resurrection, and no man has received the gift of immortality because those who are dead are waiting the resurrection. as it is written:

1 Corinthians 15:21-23
For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
---Follower_of_Christ on 11/10/12


So, which one of them was Christ talking to here?

Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor,
he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted,
to preach deliverance to the captives,
and recovering of sight to the blind,
to set at liberty them that are bruised,

To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

More importantly, which one am I.
Peace
---TheSeg on 11/9/12


Phil, I was been kind when I made that statement that you have not read the whole of Scripture: so you say,

"That I have not "read the whole of scriptures" implies a knowledge you do not possess.
---Phil on 11/9/12"


I don't posses that knowledge, I was been kind. Instead of saying you are spiritually blind to much of the Word of God, I instead said, you did not read all of Scripture. It was a kind response. This way you could have said, "oh, but I did read it fifty times" Something like that. I also had another option, I was going to say, "maybe you missed a few passages"

---Mark_V. on 11/10/12


Gal 3:26 applies to those Paul is addressing, it is not a general statement or doctrine.

4:7 Is also to the body, not mankind he was speaking to.

Eph. 3:6 is directed squarely at the body of Christ, not all mankind.

Acts 20:32 concerns the allotment of the saints, redemption.

Titus 3:7 is, as all your reference, directed to a particular group, the elect under grace and faith.

Diversions from embracing the truth when it stares you in the face.

That I have not "read the whole of scriptures" implies a knowledge you do not possess.
---Phil on 11/9/12




Phil, your interpretation of (1Cor. 15:21-23) is wrong. (v. 22) speaks of two "all's" "In Adam 'all' die." Meaning all descendants of Adam are dead in sin, every individual. Then it says,
even so in Christ 'all' shall be made alive." All here refers to only those who are made alive by the Spirit. The Spirit does not make alive all descendants of Adam. It does not imply Universal salvation. There is no universal salvation. That's why the second "all" only applies to believers "those in Christ" It didn't need to explain that, we should understand that check (Gal. 3:26,29: 4:7: Eph. 3:6: Acts 20:32: Titus 3:7). If you had read the whole of Scripture you would know that.
---Mark_V on 11/9/12


Phil, I believe Josef said it best.
When he said, But then, to each his reach Seg.

People want to interpret the bible and the things there in!
They just cant understand how Christ can rise whoever he wanted, whenever he wanted. Even after he said, He is the resurrection!

They believe he must be the first!
Not as written, we by him and him by God.
And he was and is, by God!

Rom_14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

But then again, I agree! 1Co_15:23, But every man in his own order!

As in Mat_9:29, According to your faith be it unto you!

You choose, right!
Peace
---TheSeg on 11/8/12


There are three classes of individuals in 1 Corinthians 15:23-24, not just two.

a first-fruit Christ...
afterwards those...
then--the end...

1C 15:22 for even as in Adam all die, so also in the Christ all shall be made alive,

Verses 23 and 24 are preceded by verse 22. It is not about resurrection [G386 anastasis].

It is about all men being "quickened", or, more correctly vivified, in Christ.

Some would courrupt this to mean "all in Christ". It does not say that in any version.

It says "in Christ all" shall be made vivified. [G2227 zoopoieo] Each of the three in their own era.
---Phil on 11/8/12


1Co_15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.


1Co_2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

Rom_8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Mat_28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.

Then Brother, don't be surprise!
When you see him.
Peace
---TheSeg on 11/6/12


"You believe, they got up by themselves." No I do not.
"So, after his resurrection mean nothing." If anything, it was a vision that insures us that there will be a resurrection of the dead. "But there is an order to this resurrection: Christ was raised as the first of the harvest, then all who belong to Christ will be raised when he comes back." 1Cr 15:23 NLT. But then, to each his reach Seg. Peace to you.
---Josef on 11/6/12


Phil, the immortality spoken of in (1 Tim. 6:16) is an immortality that only God has. Different then those who will be bodily resurrected at the Second Coming. "Whom no man has seen or can see" God in Spirit is invisible (1:17: Job 23:8,9: John 1:18: 15:37: Col. 1:15) and therefore, unapproachable in the sense that sinful man has never seen nor can he ever see His full glory (Ex. 33:20: Is. 6:1-5). "..dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see.."
In a sense all believers now, born of the Spirit, are spiritually resurrected, baptized into one body in Christ, but not bodily resurrected, neither those alive nor those dead already, that comes at the Second Coming. When the dead will rise.
---Mark_V. on 11/6/12


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Josef, just one more thing, you said:
\\Where is the witness to a mass resurrection of people other than those raised in the first and second resurrections.\\

Second resurrection, what second resurrection?
Are you talking about the book of the Revelation?

If you are, even here it clearly says!
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants!

And understand this too.
Nowhere does it say or am I saying the resurrection has passed already!

Christ clearly said, I am the resurrection and all power is given to me in heaven and earth.
I believe, you like many others believe Christ, had to be resurrected to resurrect!

Why is that?
Say unto them, Luk_7:22!
Peace
---TheSeg on 11/6/12


Phil, this is a good question.

Christ defeated death.
I Pet 3:18-20, "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the Just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: - "By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison," - "Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water

For the record, I appreciate many of your Post - whether we agree or not.
I also understand Josef post regarding the Kenites..
Blessing to you both,

Shalom
---char on 11/6/12


And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

\\ as if by their own power\\
Now I understand, why!
You believe, they got up by themselves.
So, after his resurrection mean nothing.

\\If something of such magnitude had actually occurred it would have been a major event in the lives of the many and I believe would have to least been mentioned by others writers.\\
and appeared unto many!

Not to all the people, but unto witnesses (chosen before of God,) even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.

That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.
It's ok, Peace
---TheSeg on 11/6/12


The Seg none of the people you mentioned raised themselves. There is no mention of those in Mat. 27:53 being raised. It simply states that "they arose", as if by their own power, "and came out of their graves". That sounds like a fictitious horror show rather than a biblical reality. If something of such magnitude had actually occurred it would have been a major event in the lives of the many and I believe would have to least been mentioned by others writers. I believe most people would have been as stoked about this, as the parents of the children that were raised, or the general populace were about Lazarus. Where is the witness to a mass resurrection of people other than those raised in the first and second resurrections.
---Josef on 11/6/12


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Considering the fact that the statement is without scriptural witness.
Mat_18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

Joh_8:18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

Luke_7:11-17
Matthew_9:18-26
Mark_5:21-43
Luke_8:40-56
John_11:1-44
Here you have five witnesses, who witnessed, people being raised from the dead! If you dont believe this, why believe anything?

Rev_3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God,
Peace
---TheSeg on 11/6/12


Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil, for God was with him.

And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem, whom they slew and hanged on a tree:

Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly,

Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.

And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
---TheSeg on 11/6/12


Thanks for the blessing Char. Same to you.
---Josef on 11/6/12


//or it is an embellishment upon scripture by the Scribes (who for the most part were Kenites, sons of Cain) considering the fact that the statement is without scriptural witness. Allowed of the Father just as they were allowed to become Scribes. Why? To ensure that HIs Children would take the time to study to show themselves acceptable to Him as workmen that will no be ashamed, having properly handled, or grasped, the Word of Truth.
---Josef on 11/4/12//-----

I agree with this information...
Thanks for posting it.

Blessing brother,
Shalom
---char on 11/5/12


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"Are they still around and immortal too?" No to both questions.
'If' Matthew actually wrote this, it had to have been a vision rather than a reality. A vision that only he and the many he mentioned actually experienced. Either that, or it is an embellishment upon scripture by the Scribes (who for the most part were Kenites, sons of Cain) considering the fact that the statement is without scriptural witness. Allowed of the Father just as they were allowed to become Scribes. Why? To ensure that HIs Children would take the time to study to show themselves acceptable to Him as workmen that will no be ashamed, having properly handled, or grasped, the Word of Truth.
---Josef on 11/4/12


Phil, you might get a kick out of this.
---TheSeg on 11/3/12

Relevancy, relevancy. You lost me. I am not good with inferentials. Sound words, edifying, wholesome, kind, meekly entreated, full of grace, and exalting the Christ of God. These things are appreciated by all.
---Phil on 11/3/12


Phil, you might get a kick out of this.

Gen_22:1 And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am.
Gen_22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac!

Hey wait a minute!
Gal_4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.


Joh 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.

1Co_1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

God Bless
---TheSeg on 11/3/12


Anastasis G386 resurrection

Egeiro G1453 raised

Anastasisis is resurrection to spirit life. The latter, egeiro, is raised, as from sleep, to mortality.

Ro 6:4 ..that like as Christ was raised [egerthe G1453] up from the dead.

Lazarus, as Christ, was roused out from among the dead. He was not vivified [zoopoiethesontai G2227], as was the Christ of God. Lazurus, like everyone before him, is dead in sheol.

Jn 5:21 For as the Father raiseth [G1453] up the dead, and quickeneth [G2227], even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
---Phil on 11/3/12


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//Scripture clearly tells that that "choice" really belongs to God and not the man. They take from Scripture and tell us that it's choice specific but in actual fact, it's action specific.//

i totally agree with this. but, not our action (works through our own effort or interpretation) but His action through works of the Holy Spirit (or fruit of the Spirit.)

many do great deeds in His name and are sent away. it is not what we think, it is because of what he knows.

my belief is because of Him and not because of me. that is why i tread lightly and encourage others the same.
---aka on 11/3/12


If you were resurrected it means that at one point in time you were dead.
If you were dead, it means that you are not immortal
---francis on 11/2/12


Paul warns against such false doctrine.

2 Timothy 2:17-19

17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus,

18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already, and overthrow the faith of some.
---kathr4453 on 11/3/12


michael_e, I tell you, no really! I just love that story.
\\No one had ever been resurrected from the dead before Christ was. He was the first!\\
So then the people Christ resurrected were not resurrected and this a lie?
But, give me a minute. Christ said I am the resurrection!

Then you added, just like Phil:
\\Those people in Scripture who had died and were brought back to life had each died again.\\
Were in Scripture is this said?

Scripture says in, Heb_9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Scripture also talks about a second death, Rev_2:11,20:6,20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Peace
---TheSeg on 11/2/12


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The Scripture doesn't tell us what happened to them, but they had to have gone on up into glory.
---michael_e on 11/2/12

If this were so, then did the dead outstrip us, and the resurrection for those of Israel outstripped the body? Did Israel's former resurrection begin already?
Re 20:5-6
---Phil on 11/2/12


Christ had to be the first One. This is a Scriptural mandate. No one had ever been resurrected from the dead before Christ was. He was the first! Those people in Scripture who had died and were brought back to life had each died again. But Christ's Resurrection opened the door to life after death. It had to begin with the Creator Himself. These are just basic doctrines that you have to rest on. To show the power of His Resurrection, and in order to fulfill the Firstfruits, we also see others resurrected after His Resurrection. They went into the holy city of Jerusalem and appeared unto many. The Scripture doesn't tell us what happened to them, but they had to have gone on up into glory.
---michael_e on 11/2/12


"Why do you think, it's so hard for some to believe?" TheSeg

Peace be with you Seg.

Well, for these group, they think that it's really up to them to believe. But Scripture clearly tells that that "choice" really belongs to God and not the man. They take from Scripture and tell us that it's choice specific but in actual fact, it's action specific.

Anyways, John 1:12,13 clearly says, "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."
---christan on 10/31/12


John 1:51-52. Christ himself was to be the ladder between God and man, because, He is the Son of God and the Son of man. WOW!
---pat on 10/31/12


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christan, Why do you think, it's so hard for some to believe?
What's really hard for me to believe is that, I was told these things!
If they choose these things, how can they be forgiven?

Christ even said:
Joh_1:51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.

Just like Thomas:
Joh_20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
Peace
---TheSeg on 10/31/12


This seems to have been a temporary resuscitation, like that of Lazarus, the little girl, or man from Nain.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
Cluny

Luk_24:44, Joh_15:16!
Psa_65:4 Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple.

Luk_16:12 And if ye have not been faithful in that which is another man's, who shall give you that which is your own?

Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Peace
---TheSeg on 10/31/12


"Hard to believe?" The Seg

Not when one has the spirit of the Sadducee in him. "What about the resurrected Jews in Matthew 27:53? Are they still around and immortal too?" Jesus said, "for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh".

"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
---christan on 10/31/12


This seems to have been a temporary resuscitation, like that of Lazarus, the little girl, or man from Nain.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/31/12


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First: Eternal life is not ours because we have the inherent power to live forever, eternal life and immortality are ours only because God chooses to give them to us...In the true sense of the word, only God is immortal, for only God is living in the true sense of the word. I always like to say, "God is more alive than you or I". [Humans may be considered immortal only insofar as immortality is the gift of God Romans 2:7]. Those saints awoke by the power of the Lord Jesus. There are many theories as to who those saints were. Many lessons in this: One is>> Those who lived and died before the death and resurrection of Christ, had saving benefit.
---pat on 10/31/12


In 1 Timothy 6:16 it says there is only One who has immortality. What about the resurrected Jews in Matthew 27:53? Are they still around and immortal too?
---Phil on 10/31/12

They are not immortal. the proof is THEY DID DIE
---francis on 10/31/12


He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err!

I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.


He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life:
he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live!

Hard to believe?
---TheSeg on 10/31/12


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