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Why is the concept of a woman pregnant by rape, carrying that child to term whether she keeps it or gives it up for adoption disturbing to anyone who is truly a Christian? I ask as a woman who was raped myself.

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barbm, you are wrong, there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ. Those who will be judge by the law are not believers. They do not stand for sentencing at the Great White Throne of Judgment. only unbelievers who broke the law and will be judge by the law. Believers go to the Judgment Seat of Christ for rewards.
---Mark_V. on 11/17/12


Rev. 11 18-19 proves you correct, Francis. The Nations are angry because the wrath of God is about to fall on them.

In verse 18, judgement is about to begin and in verse 19 the temple is opened and the Arc of His testimony is seen. The Arc as we know contains the 10 commandments and everyone is about to be judged according to them. Otherwise why would the Arc be revealed at this time?
---barb on 11/16/12


francis, you are twisting what I said again just to continue arguing. You said,

"NEVER EVER, NO BOOK, NO CHAPTER, NO VERSE, NO LINE in the bible says Jesus keep the law so we do not have to."

No one ever said that Jesus kept the law "so that we did not have to". No one. He kept the law because we couldn't keep all the law perfect. "We couldn't keep it all perfect" If you broke one, you broke them all. Stop twisting the Truth to a lie. It only gives evidence of who you are. An imposter. Preaching the letter of the Law.
No man has been able to keep the whole law, only Jesus Christ.
---Mark_V. on 11/16/12


Christ has kept it for us.
---Mark_V. on 11/13/12
Jesus Christ kept the whole law for all believers who are in Christ.
---Mark_V. on 11/13/

Does that mean we we should not keep the commandments of God as commanded through both OT and NT?

What should a christian do with or about the TEN COMMANDMENTS: OBEY THEM OR NOT OBEY THEM because jesus " has kept them for us" based on your doctrine?

My doctrines say that we keep EVERY LAST ON OF THEM, ALL TEN!

YOURS______________?
---francis on 11/15/12


francis, I do not believe anyone has said,

"NEVER EVER, NO BOOK, NO CHAPTER, NO VERSE, NO LINE in the bible says Jesus keep the law so we do not have to."

You got that wrong francis.
---Mark_V. on 11/15/12

no matter what. You say,
No one can keep the letter of the law. Christ has kept it for us.
---Mark_V. on 11/13/12
No one can or could keep the whole law. Jesus Christ kept the whole law for all believers who are in Christ.
You can follow the Letter of the Law, or follow Christ. There is no two ways into heaven. Only through Christ Jesus.
---Mark_V. on 11/13/
---francis on 11/15/12




francis, I do not believe anyone has said,

"NEVER EVER, NO BOOK, NO CHAPTER, NO VERSE, NO LINE in the bible says Jesus keep the law so we do not have to."

You got that wrong francis. You say, "so that we don't have to keep it."
Who ever said that? You did, not any of us. What we said was that Jesus Christ kept the law perfect because we could not keep it perfect ourselves. Get it right.
The three fold office of Jesus Christ is not what you said. But,
"Prophet, Priest and King"
---Mark_V. on 11/15/12


Rhonda, I do not believe there is anything wrong in keeping the baby or giving the baby up for adoption whether you are a Christian or not. I believe most Christians would keep the baby. One thing to remember is that the baby is not responsible for coming into the world. The mothers life will never be the same either. If she keeps the baby, many man will look at her differently, in the fact that she has a child, and if she gives up the baby, it might haunt her the rest of her life. No one should make this decision for her. She just has to look at what is best for her child. Sometimes the baby is better off been adopted. Big decision is for the mom because it effects her life and the child's.
---Mark_V. on 11/15/12


Why is the concept of a woman pregnant by rape, carrying that child to term whether she keeps it or gives it up for adoption disturbing to anyone who is truly a Christian?
---Rhonda_P on 10/31/12

The phsycological pain that it could bring, carrying that baby for 9 months, and then having to look at that child everyday, and remember the violence that brought that child into the world is too much for most people to live with.
---francis on 11/14/12


---Mark_V. on 11/14/

Christ work is three fold
1: He died the death that we would have died and thus he imputes to us his righteous life for our sin life. ( Imputed righteousness)Romans 4:22 ( JUSTIFICATION)

2: He imparts to us his spirit, making us partakers of the Divine, so that we can overcome sin in our mortal bodies. By making us partakers of the Divine nature we are able to keep ALL his commandments Hebrews 10:16, 2 Peter 1:3-4 ( SANCTIFICATION)

3: He works as high prist in the heavenly sanctuary for our salvation Hebrews 8 and 9
(GLORIFICATION)

NEVER EVER, NO BOOK, NO CHAPTER, NO VERSE, NO LINE in the bible says Jesus keep the law so we do not have to.
---francis on 11/14/12


francis, here is your problem and I will say it again, you have no clue the work of the Spirit of Christ working in a believers life. No clue concerning been in Christ. That's why you continue to argue for the law, no matter what. You say,
"
No one can keep the letter of the law. Christ has kept it for us. He is the Spirit of the Law.
---Mark_V. on 11/13/12
This means that every one is doomed to a life of literal adultery, and murder."


Why are they doomed if they have the Spirit of Christ? How is that possible? You have no clue what you are talking about. Propably the reason you believe in separation from Christ when someone dies. you call it soul sleep. Or mayb like Jerry, in spooks and ghost.

---Mark_V. on 11/14/12




No one can keep the letter of the law. Christ has kept it for us. He is the Spirit of the Law.
---Mark_V. on 11/13/12
This means that every one is doomed to a life of literal adultery, and murder.

While few christians commit adultery which is the letter MANY lust in their heart which is the spirit of the law

While few christians muder MANY have hatred in their hearts

while few christians do not worship idols many wear jewelry ( idols)

So when we talk about keeping the spirit, we are talking about keeping the letter also, but going beyond to the very intent of the law. Now the intent of depth of the law NEVER contradicts the written word of the law
---francis on 11/14/12


francis, again you say,
Because I say that Christ has kept the letter of the law for us.
---Mark_V. on 11/13/12, you tell me,

"This tells me that you do not understand righteousness by faith"

What you tell me is that you understand nothing about the Works of Christ.
We are declared righteous, not made righteous. It is the work of Christ that declares us righteous. Faith is a gift of the Holy Spirit. Without Christ all your works are as filthy rag's.
---Mark_V. on 11/14/12


No one can keep the letter of the law. Christ has kept it for us. He is the Spirit of the Law.
---Mark_V. on 11/13/12

This tells me that you do not understand righteousness by faith

Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts:

Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey, whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
---francis on 11/13/12


francis, You say,

"By legislating that men observe God laws you are seeking to change their behaviour but not their hearts" you had just said you do not legislate others to do what you do. You say,

NOW, Can you explain to me how one can be commiting adultery and still be keeping THE SPIRIT OF THE LAW?" Christ is the Spirit of the Law and He will never leave us, when we fail He chastens us.

How can one be worshiping another god and still be keeping the spirit of the law?" genuine believers worship one God.

How can one trangress THE LETTER OF THE LAW and yet be keeping the spirit of the law?" No one can keep the letter of the law. Christ has kept it for us. He is the Spirit of the Law.
---Mark_V. on 11/13/12


---Mark_V. on 11/13/12

There is a difference betwen evalgalism, and legislation

By teaching men to observe the law of God, and accepting christ as thier saviour, I hope to change thier hearts to get them to love God and love their neighbour

By legislating that men observe God laws you are seeking to change their behaviour but not their hearts


NOW, Can you explain to me how one can be commiting adultery and still be keeping THE SPIRIT OF THE LAW?

How can one be worshiping another god and still be keeping the spirit of the law?

How can one trangress THE LETTER OF THE LAW and yet be keeping the spirit of the law?
---francis on 11/13/12


francis, here is what you said,

"I will not have MY values MY morals and MY religuious beliefs legislated to bring other to be like me, that is a sick idea. Peopel must be free to choose thier own lifestyle"

If that is true, then why are you preaching the law every single day instead of the Spirit of the Law who is Christ if you don't want to legislate others to believe what you believe?
If they are free, why don't you leave them alone? Why do you want to change them? They are free indeed francis, and you want to put a yoke on them.
---Mark_V. on 11/13/12


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mental health issues that prevent them from protecting or providing for their children.
---Jed on 11/10/12
In these cases a good liberal program that meets the child and parent needs is VERY important
___francis on 11/11/12

there are also many cases where parents are neglectful or even abusive (or at least unable to care for children), so in such cases, the government IS better for the children.
---StrongAxe on 11/12/12

I think that we are on the same page. The problem is that conservitives have a different view of what is a " bad parent." See my post about Malcolm X, also see jeds post on 11/10/12 where he suggest that only "Godly" parent are good parents
---francis on 11/12/12


When God gets ready to save someone, He does not look at your goodness. He does not look at your badness. He looks much deeper+++
---pat on 11/12/12


francis:

In most cases, I would think that parents have the best interests of their children at heart, better than a bureaucratic government. However, there are also many cases where parents are neglectful or even abusive (or at least unable to care for children), so in such cases, the government IS better for the children. This is not a black and white thing (i.e. "parents are always better" or "government is always better").
---StrongAxe on 11/12/12


---Mark_V. on 11/12/12
God is VERY liberal, God never forces anyone to do his will.

Only people who are mentally ill force others to live as they do.

I am the most conservitive person that you know, from strict bilical diet, strict sabbath observance, opposed to abortions, opposed to same gender unions, but those are MY PERSONAL VALUES AND MORALS. I will not have MY values MY morals and MY religuious beliefs legislated to bring other to be like me, that is a sick idea. Peopel must be free to choose thier own lifestyle
---francis on 11/12/12


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francis, you are reading liberal material, and speaking false. You need to be born of the Spirit in order to understand spiritual matters. You also need to be a child of God to know what values and morals are. You who speak of the Law, know nothing about the Law and how to be obedient (keeping the commandments), You think going to church on Saturday makes you holy so you can be a liberal and God will not mind. You are wrong.
---Mark_V. on 11/12/12


---Jed on 11/11/12
Take the time to look at the research. It does show mental ( or at lest physical differences) in the brain of conservities. The research also suggest that their views could be the result of childhood abuse.

There are many republicans who are same partner couples (LOG CABIN REPUBLICAN) for example.

Divorce rates and teen pregnancy rates are higher in republican states

Child abuse higher among conservatoires ( not nessesarily republicans)states

It appears that in order to get children of conservities to comply with moral, and religious standard that they are physically and pyschologically abuse by their parents

Liberal parents tend to allow their children to find " their own path."
---francis on 11/11/12


Francis please spare us your liberal garbage. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about and I'm not going to argue with someone so ignorant.
---Jed on 11/11/12


Some parents have some serious responsibility issues because they refuse to submit their lives to God,
---Jed on 11/10/12
Are you suggesting that only those who beleive in Jehovah can be good parents?


or mental health issues that prevent them from protecting or providing for their children.
---Jed on 11/10/12
In these cases a good liberal program that meets the child and parent needs is VERY important


I assume by your comments that you have never lived with abusive parents, ---Jed on 11/10/12

Sorry my parents are also liberals, We were loved, and never abused. Abusing kids is a conservitive thing. Research shows that most conservitives were abused and misstreated as kids and are mentally defective
---francis on 11/11/12


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Hello,Mary god bless my friend and Pat please thankyou both..pray December my neighbor 's daughter cpl.Cindy and her company /Marines get back safe..they were sent over a year ago. Cindy baby was only 3 months old when she left sent to Afghanistan.Let's pray all be sent home.love agape ELENA
---ELENA on 11/11/12


Hello,family, bro.Jed is very correct
// if they are godly parents//
My real mother gave me to her half sister or aunt,just know my cousin daid the shame...anyway she kept mr but she beat me always for just look different than the rest and she never once said "I love you.
..
Not to mention other horrors she put me through..and yes like bro.Mark had a cousin refuse blood trsnsfusion and this way back 1970
She died and so did unborn baby
Thank God He been very good to me.He is the family I never had.thankyou both for bring out points and for sharing.amen.
---ELENA on 11/11/12


Hello,Mary god bless my friend and Pat please thankyou both..pray December my neighbor 's daughter cpl.Cindy and her company /Marines get back safe..they were sent over a year ago. Cindy baby was only 3 months old when she left sent to Afghanistan.Let's pray all be sent home.love agape ELENA
---ELENA on 11/11/12


Jed, I totally agree with you. francis examples proof nothing. Concerning Malcolm X, maybe if his mother had given him swine he would have turn out to be a man after God's own heart.
In Texas, if they had not taken the children away, who knows what would have happen to those children since they marry each other, which is against godly morals.
And in the Jehovah Witnesses had not won, maybe my sister would still be alive today. They talked her into not taking blood for her surgery and she died. I know that God permits this things to happen for a reason that I don't know, but they do not have to happen.

To francis who knows everything, Has it happen to you? Who is going to save the unborn? Or you? Who will speak for my sister? you?
---Mark_V. on 11/11/12


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In the womb, and out of the womb Parents are the best protecters of their children
---francis on 11/9/12


If they are godly parents. Some parents have some serious responsibility issues because they refuse to submit their lives to God, or mental health issues that prevent them from protecting or providing for their children. I assume by your comments that you have never lived with abusive parents, so you can not possible know what you are talking about. Some of us have grown up in abusive households where we prayed every night for someone to come rescue us from the pain and suffering. I can assure you from personal experience, just because someone fathered or gave birth to a child doesn't make them a fit parent.
---Jed on 11/10/12


In the womb, and out of the womb Parents are the best protecters of their children
---francis on 11/9/12


Hi Pat, it is terrible indeed what is happening in Syria but I have a big problem with the United States being the world's police. Why do we feel it's our duty to butt into everyone else's civil wars? We've lost more than enough of our own, just my 2 cents. :)
---Mary on 11/9/12


A little off the subject. Please bear with me. There is a man, a dictator over in Syria. WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR 30,000 plus deaths. Why is he still walking around on two feet? When men can be sent to death-row for killing one man....And the world looks away. Is it possible that God will hold many on murder charges in this country and the world. Men who could've done something, but didn't. The answer is, most assuringly YES! I am sure, you see my point...And, I am sure this won't get posted, but, I work for God.
---pat on 11/9/12


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Malcolm X was raised in a Seventh Day Adventist home, until the government determined that his mother was unfit, and took her children away because although she was on welfare, she refused to give her children swine to eat even though the swine was free.

Recently in Texas the government moved in and took away several children for a local community claiming that the parents were unfit because they were polygamist

The Jehovah Witnesses has sued and won in Supreme court, against a government that determined that Jehovah Witnesses were unfit parents because they would not allow their dying children to take transfusion

You still think that the government can provide better protection for children than their own father and mother?
---francis on 11/9/12


Francis: "So the Government should act in the best interest of children, but not adults?"

They won't become adults if you kill them before they're born.


---jerry6593 on 11/9/12


So the Government should act in the best interest of children, but not adults?
They can take babies away from parents...but not give parents cancer screening from planed parenthood?
---francis on 11/8/12


Of course the government should act in the best interest of the children before adults. Adults can make their own choices and take care of themselves. Children can't. And that is deceitful how you try to make it out as if the primary service of planned parenthood is cancer screenings. Their primary business is abortions. 40% of all abortions in the U.S. are done at planned parenthood clinics, making them the world's largest abortion provider by far. People can get free cancer screenings at hospitals and clinics.
---Jed on 11/8/12


In such cases, perhaps they would be better off with somebody else who actually DOES have their best interests at heart.
---StrongAxe on 11/8/12
So the Government should act in the best interest of children, but not adults?
They can take babies away from parents, but not give parents food stamps, government subsidized housing, medicaid, WIC, unemployment assistance, or cancer screening from planed parenthood?
---francis on 11/8/12


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Well, you may not find this in the Bible. I tell you the truth....We can murder people without piercing the skin. Back-stabbings can lead to murder. Learn to see things through God's eyes. Eye-ball to eye-ball. "Thou shalt not kill" can go deeper than piercing the skin. Now, are you too good for God to place you in hell? Thank you, Thank You Jesus.+++
---pat on 11/8/12


francis:

Unfortunately, many adults aren't really good at caring about children. You need a licence to drive a car, or even to have a pet, but not to have a child. There are pregnant women who smoke and drink and use drugs. There are parents who neglect and abuse their children. In such cases, perhaps they would be better off with somebody else who actually DOES have their best interests at heart.
---StrongAxe on 11/8/12


how is murder even defined?

does the bible differentiate between kill, and murder?

Does it always imply hatred, or just an unlawful killing that isn't sanctioned by God?

Is suicide really even murder? (i can't find that in the bible)
---glen on 11/8/12


---Jed on 11/6/12
Do you know of anyone, any organization, or any government better suited to protect a child than the mother and father of that child, especially an unborn child?
---francis on 11/8/12


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who is we?
---francis on 11/6/12


All of us. Do we not all have an individual responsibility to defend and protect the weak and defenseless? If you agree with laws against child-abuse and murder, why would you not support laws against murdering unborn babies if you really are against abortion as you say? I would like to think you wouldn't just stand by and let a woman beat her child mercilessly. I would hope you don't think that beating a child is the mother's choice to make and we shouldn't have laws against it. So why then would you suggest that about her killing her baby?
---Jed on 11/6/12


And if they don't? If the mothers and father reject that responsibility? If they choose to harm their own flesh and blood should we not intervene? Should we make it legal for mothers and fathers to kill their own children?
---Jed on 11/6/12
who is we?
---francis on 11/6/12


God loves children.Somebody got to defend the unborn,
---ELENA on 11/4/12

I say the mother and the father should be the defenders of their unborn child
---francis on 11/5/12


And if they don't? If the mothers and father reject that responsibility? If they choose to harm their own flesh and blood should we not intervene? Should we make it legal for mothers and fathers to kill their own children?
---Jed on 11/6/12


Pat, once again you are right" when is America going to bless God"?? great the way you just get to the point! God bless you my friend, yes there are godless laws..
Thankyou very much.
---ELENA on 11/5/12


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God bless America! When is Americans going to bless God? Do away with these illegal, godless laws. God's laws, more important, than man's laws. Obey God rather than man.
---pat on 11/5/12


God loves children.Somebody got to defend the unborn,
---ELENA on 11/4/12

I say the mother and the father should be the defenders of their unborn child
---francis on 11/5/12


Tomorrow (11/06/2012) we Americans have the opportunity to stem the tide of the bloodbath that is the one million plus abortions committed in this country yearly, by voting these agents of murder out of office. Who will stand up for the innocent tomorrow?


---jerry6593 on 11/5/12


To jerry6593.. kudos to you! I commend you.I know some folks don't like my little simple things ELENA is a simple woman
I really admire the way you put that
.God loves children.Somebody got to defend the unborn,so many people who would love a baby,any baby
.I have known a woman like that,she cries day and night,wants a child
Thankyou, brother
.
.
---ELENA on 11/4/12


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Many people call themselves Christian and are not Christian, a true Christian is following the Lord Jesus and his examples. Many liars will tell you they are telling the truth because they don't expect to get caught in their lie. The killing of babies by abortion has numbed the collective conscious of majority of people today, how else could anyone justify the act of murdering a defenseless baby in the womb, calling it abortion does not wipe away the murder, no more than the murder wipes away the rape. You do not justify the sin of one person, against another, by committing more sin. Unbelievers cannot see this which is why those who call themselves Christian are not when they condone the murder of innocent babies.
---Follower_of_Christ on 11/3/12


MEW: "obviously, "quality of life" doesn't matter to the prudish/self-righteous"

Ecc 9:4 For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion.


---jerry6593 on 11/4/12


The OP's question/moderator's question are different. The MOD's question is contrary to all civilized rationality, but now I understand it as philosophical (King David comes to mind).

People will tend to be nosy in order to find a way to criticize/ridicule/mock so they can pretend to be better than the other person (they need to be PRUDISH to do this).

The TECHNICAL DEFINITION of "murder" is 'willful killing', but like King David killing the animals in order to PROTECT, not all willful killing (or surrendering the baby for adoption) is unjust.

Victims of rape don't always have the resources to ensure a baby's QUALITY OF LIFE (obviously, "quality of life" doesn't matter to the prudish/self-righteous).
---more_excellent_way on 11/3/12


Rhonda: I applaud your courage in doing what God has commanded. That's the answer to the Moderator's question "Why is murder bad?" It is bad because God forbid it in the Ten Commandments. It is a pity that many "Christians" don't believe that the Ten Commandments apply to them. The Bible says that God knew and ordained Jeremiah while he was still in the womb. It also says that God killed Onan for spilling his seed on the ground. If God is that concerned about a man's sperm, how much more does He care about the fetus within the womb?


---jerry6593 on 11/3/12


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Rhonda: I once went to hear a series of lectures by a most powerful evangelist who had brought thousands of souls to Christ. He began one sermon with the question "Can anything good come from a rape?". As he continued his sermon, he spoke of the heavy damage caused to the woman and to her family by the assault, and interspersed the discourse with the same question, "Can anything good come from a rape?". Finally, he revealed that he, himself was the result of a rape, and his mother chose LIFE.

So, can anything good come from a rape? YES, thousands of souls in God's kingdom came from his mother's rape. God can use anyone or any event (no matter how revolting) to His glory.


---jerry6593 on 11/3/12


It is not my place to judge Anyone. The choices we make are between each of us and God. I believe only God allows new life to be created. So for me I have no right to chose abortion under any circumstance. The question of incest etc.. I still believe I must not Murder. But if I had killed the rapist, in fear for my life which I was, that would be self defense. I would have killed but not murdered. But I did not kill my rapist. I did not report it. Mistake of the young. I should have reported it. And if he had been put in jail he still wouldn't have gotten a sentence that was appropriate for what he did. But I could never blame a child for his exsistance do to rape. That's just my heart.
---Rhonda_P on 11/2/12


To more excellant way,you are welcome! Admir alot,beautifull gift you have,too! You are able so gracefully,exprese your words in English. I too,suffer horribly with the lady who raise me,but,hard she put me to endure alot,and early,she always told me,learn to do all you can she was right, always been hard life and alone.I agree with you 100%
Love of JESUS! He is worth It all!
---ELENA on 11/1/12


ELENA, Thank you for understanding words. I didn't realize it before but God always had a plan that I would learn misfortune and endure my suffering all my life (JESUS was made perfect through suffering), otherwise, this life is useless and senseless to me (but not to GOD, I don't understand, but I trust Him).

I think all He wants is that we ENDURE and TRUST (NOTHING ELSE AT ALL but to love HIS WAYS also).

"Though He slay me, yet shall I trust Him" (Job).
---more_excellent_way on 11/1/12


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What hypocrites! Murder is murder - even when it involves killing your enemy in war and criminals.
---Phillip_Hicks on 11/1/12


To more excellent way_first,thankyou. your post 10/30/12. For Sharing! everytime go to the doctors, I have. Cancer,the dr. says" how can you Not be depressed" want kill yourself? NO way! want kill myself! ' can't Believe me,always smile, Not have an attitude, why? praise God ! He has a plan I am Blessed! do everything for myself,do I have sometimes bad days? Yes,but,doesn't everyone? thank God, lady raise me ( not birth) mother military hard. help me. real mother was very gentle,easy going, her kids were spoiled. worry, took her early grave. She a relative secret.Tried abortion/ 2 twin girls attempts..Failed! Smiles!
---ELENA on 11/1/12


wow, what a touchy subject. murder is murder no matter how you say it. innocent babies are murdered just because they aren't wanted. who will be next? Us older people because we are such a liability to the government, even tho we earned social security. If I had saved that much money, I would probably be rich. 50 million babies are murdered each year just because their parents can't control themselves or refuse birth control. how sad
---shira4368 on 11/1/12


I take absolutely NO credit. God is my Saviour. Thanks.
---pat on 11/1/12


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Rhonda P I'm so sorry you had such a horrible experience. Bringing a child into the world after your experience shows you have compassion for the child. I can understand perfectly why a woman would give a child born from a traumatic violent experience away and I think she is wise and cares about the child. Some women just cannot handle having a daily reminder around of such a horrible act of violence. May God heal all wounds and may every day of your life draw you nearer to god. Blessings
---Darlene_1 on 11/1/12


To Pat,really admire you write,really makes me think! You have a gift. I believe like many here have gifts of teaching,preaching,know how to write really. Good, how you say powerfull,words from like bible.ok.Pat, may God bless you! Thanks, ELENA
---ELENA on 10/31/12


\\Motherhood is NOT your business, Cluny.
---more_excellent_way on 10/31/12\\

As a former fetus, it certainly is. Besides, I'm not responsible for any unplanned pregnancies, be they by rape or otherwise.

Obviously, mew, I pricked your conscience pointing out that your mind has not been renewed in the Holy Spirit. What you need to do is repent, and not vent your anger at me.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/31/12


Beloved, sister,I wish to respond.please,sorry you were raped,myself also. And had a baby left for adoption,definitely made sure he made it into this world. Did not go for couseling,until many years later,but,for me,it was very important. He get a good home,good start in life. The baby is innocent,to me.I had a bad situation but, yes,it was important.baby did really matter, so very much.They track me down about maybe 20 yrs ago, the rapist needed blood of the child,from the women we all got pregnant,neighborhood guy seem nice,but not, and his sister beg me to tell about baby,I could not, sealed adoption I had no idea,where they live,for the rapist no feelings,went on with my life.
---ELENA on 10/31/12


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Why is the concept of a woman pregnant by rape, carrying that child to term whether she keeps it or gives it up for adoption disturbing to anyone who is truly a Christian?
---Rhonda_P on 10/31/12
1: No woman should be forced to carry the child of any man who would "know" her by force, and then turn around and give hi9m parental rights
2: The baby may be a constant reminder of a very violent event in the mothers life, and could be mentally damaging to both mother and child
3: It is not the will of God that anyone should get pregnant in that way
---francis on 10/31/12


Hi, I am so sorry you were raped. I am mostly against abortion but I especially think of victims of incest--especially children--that they should be allowed to abort, rather than experience the trauma of the pregnancy after incest. That's just my opinion anyway. God bless
---Mary on 10/31/12


...(either something is YOUR business or it isn't). Motherhood is NOT your business, Cluny.
---more_excellent_way on 10/31/12


I have not denied Cluny any rights. ---more_excellent_way on 10/31/12
---Jed on 10/31/12


There is righteous judging and there is hypocritical judging. It is the hypocritical judging which Jesus is so against. I admit, it is a tough call. I also, admit, I may not quite understand this question. There are so few truly born again chosen people of God. As God tells it to me, "I have my people sprinkled all over this world"....Only a few of us who will actually make it to heaven, the chosen ones. Thank God, I've never been raped, but, still am able to relate to your pain. I have been living a life a long time without God and now twelve years and a few months, SAVED.. Been a tormented life. Satan is a tormentor, for some. I NOW HAVE VICTORIES, SURE. I receved those the moment I got saved. Now I know what it tis.
---pat on 10/31/12


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SATAN is the accuser of the brethren, Jed (you do his bidding?). I have not denied Cluny any rights.

Living Water (GENUINE 'SHED A TEAR' CARING ABOUT PEOPLE and the misfortunes they suffer) can only come from a HEART OF FLESH. There is no chemical or mathematical formula for living water (it is not 'EMPIRICAL', it cannot be measured or calculated).

2 Corinthians 9:7
"not reluctantly or under COMPULSION".

The BLOOD work of Jesus has been done/finalized and can never be reversed or disappear, but the SECOND thing that Jesus did for us has NOT become significant in many believer's lives (the SPIRIT, John 7:39).

God's spirit does NOT AGREE with the "blood only" (1 John 5:8).
---more_excellent_way on 10/31/12


MEW is clearly not the wisest person to listen to. As a human being, Cluny as well as all men have a right to talk about abortion.

Despite what liberals would have us believe, statistics show that most women who get pregnant as a result of rape actually want to keep their babies. This is always the liberal excuse for supporting abortion but in reality less than 1% of all abortions are from a rape. Almost 100% of abortions are from single women in their twenties in perfectly fine health who simply don't want to be inconvenienced by a child.
---Jed on 10/31/12


Cluny, of course you don't think what you just did is WRONG (you passed judgement on me)......THIS is what makes the world a LIVING HELL for the people who never CAUSED HARM (you probably don't even have any idea how to understand what I just said...POETIC JUSTICE, lack of understanding).

I am not advocating abortion. I am saying that the 'holier than thou' should not persecute mothers who choose abortion unless THEY THEMSELVES will provide a GOOD LOVING, and PEACEFUL HOME for the aborted babies (you have just proved that 'your holiness' (you) could not provide a loving AND PEACEFUL home.

...(either something is YOUR business or it isn't).

Motherhood is NOT your business, Cluny.
---more_excellent_way on 10/31/12


\\Very often, abortions prevent many babies from living a life of hell.\\

This is the rationale behind the Nazis executing those with mental and physical disabilities--"liberating a soul," they called it.

Obviously, mew, your mind has NOT been renewed by the Holy Spirit.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/31/12


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If they don't love the baby . . . they can be disturbed.

There are people, then, who have murder in their hearts, and they can welcome an outlet for their character that makes them able to choose who to kill and who they decide is good enough for them.

And I know from experience . . . one can have murder in one's heart and think he or she is being smart. But >

"Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him." (1 John 3:15)

In Satan's kingdom there always are people who want to single out some group and treat them like they aren't humans > this was done against German Jews, Afro people, tribal peoples in America, and now the unborn.
---willie_c: on 10/31/12


First off thanks for sharing and I am sorry that has happend to you. From a guys perspective, take it however you want but I think the fear is of having that child become a reminder of that event.
---Scott1 on 10/31/12


The traditional teachings of the body of Christ have inspired/encouraged the body to be PRUDISH, ILLOGICAL and IMPRACTICAL. Hopefully, your concept of PRACTICALITY will catch on.

I grew up in a dysfunctional family. When I was about 43, my mother asked me if I'm glad she didn't have an abortion when she was carrying me. I knew right away that I couldn't tell her the truth (because it would kill her), but she probably could tell from my reaction that the answer would have been "NO", so we both dropped the subject very quickly (The Lord had his own plan).

Very often, abortions prevent many babies from living a life of hell. If the child is not the 'MURDERING TYPE', they will likely not ever commit suicide (MURDER).
---more_excellent_way on 10/31/12


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