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Xmas Trees For The Heathen

Is the Xmas tree is heathen? Jeremiah 10:2-4 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen,- For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold, they ---

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Shira & Cluny, I'm crying my eyes out with tears of joy. I have never in my life had anyone say these things to me. Glory to God and may He richly bless both of you. I can't say any more right now, I got to finish crying my tears of joy.
---J_Marc on 11/25/12


why do you think most people were illerate before God wrote the bible. just curious. I know Paul spoke 5 languages and Luke was a doctor. I am not illerate but I can't speak any language except english. They didn't have all the technology we have today but they figured a way to get the oil out of olives and weave fabric and dye their garments. sometimes I wonder where we would be today without our computers, I-pads, I-phones, I-pods and instant food.
---shira4368 on 11/25/12


J_Marc, the real question you should be asking here is if modern Bibles are heathen.

You see, the original Scriptures were written on scrolls. Only much later were they written and bound into a codex--the modern form of book. Pagans were noted for putting their sacred writings in this form.

When did Christians stop using scrolls and learn the heathen and pagan custom of codices? Do you do have heathen codices? Is God pleased with this?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/25/12


\\In Jeremiah the warning is to not learn the way of the heathen and the written word of God is truth.\\

Wrong on two points:

1. There was an extended period where the Word of God was NOT written down, and even if it had been, most people were illiterate.

2. Christmas trees were invented by Christians.

FoC, better to keep your mouth closed and be though ignorant than open it and remove all doubt.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/25/12


What is the EVIDENCE that Christmas three ARE heathen?

Anyone want to provide it?

Ore will you just assume it without any evidence?
---James on 11/24/12




In Jeremiah the warning is to not learn the way of the heathen and the written word of God is truth. True followers of the Lord Jesus understand all of scripture is written for us today to learn, grow, and come to understanding God and his ways. For unbelievers the tree is a symbol of where all those gifts go, the expensive ornaments hung on a dead tree with their material loot underneath. black friday here in america all the greedy people acting like animals were out in full force yesterday to grab, claw, and be angry and hateful to shop for the presents under the tree, rotten fruit for a day that honors the sun god
---Follower_of_Christ on 11/24/12


Such a life-changing doctrine, J-Marc.

It makes me yearn for more holiness and a deeper prayer life.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/23/12


jmark, thanks for letting me know that. I once was blind but now I see.
---shira4368 on 11/23/12


//jmark, you said it right. you don't believe Jesus is God in the flesh?// i say i am NOT a J W!!!//jehovah witness// i , J_Marc TOTALLY believes that the real Jesus {Yashua) is God (YA).
WAKE UP PLEASE!---shira4368,i am talking to YOU!
---J_Marc on 11/23/12


//jmark, you said it right. you don't believe Jesus is God in the flesh?// i say i am NOT a J W!!!//jehovah witness// i , J_Marc TOTALLY believes that the real Jesus {Yashua# is God #YA).
WAKE UP PLEASE!---shira4368,i am talking to YOU!
---J_Marc on 11/23/12




jmark, you said it right. you don't believe Jesus is God in the flesh? wow, and hell is literal and Jesus wasn't killed. He could have called 10,000 angels. Jesus gave up the ghost. God sent His son into the world to save us from sin.
---shira4368 on 11/23/12


Gen 3:6 "So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her and he ate." That was the first subtle deception that happened concerning a really pretty tree.
---J_Marc on 11/23/12


The first settlers did not want Christmas, Many christian groups do not celebrate easter or halloween

False teachers always try to " christainize" holidays even the abominations:

Was jesus really born on December 25th in the DEAD of winter, or are we celebrating the birth of Tammuz?

Jesus was killed during the passover weekend, easter is a celebration of the Queen of heaven. Why do you think the easter bunny and hot cross buns comes from:
Jeremiah 7:18 the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven,..they provoke me to anger.

Many christians celebrate lent which the bible calls: Ezekiel 8:14 weeping for Tammuz.

You think God can ever accept those abominations today?
---francis on 11/22/12


//jehovah witness// Don't believe that the real Jesus {Yashua) is God (YA).
They don't obey the commandments either!
They don't observe the Sabbath!
---J_Marc on 11/22/12


jehovah witness is the only group of people who hate holidays. if you are a jehovah witness then I understand where you are coming from. my grandson's friend isn't allowed to even go to a birthday party or celebrate any holiday. I will say it once more, I celebrate holidays but I don't worship holidays. I worship the living God.
---shira4368 on 11/21/12


J Mark: Your comments about 'repent' may mean many things.... obviously you remember Jesus' birth, though we have no knowledge of when in the year it was - but it there any REAL harm in picking any particular date and celebrating His birth then?

As for the tree, I don't see much to connect it, except a few possible ideas... like that trees can symbolize what is dead (as Israel seemed to be at the time of Jesus birth) but then come back in the spring.

Just a few ideas
---Peter on 11/21/12


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shira4368, i will follow Ya leagally, i'm not LAWLESS! It's not MY scriptures! YOU just don't want to hear them & You are In disobiedence to the commandments of God. The other Christ loves Xmas! You MAY have to put up with him! THE scriptures have given the evidence to me to REPENT of this evil holiday! i hope you and yours Repent as well! i will not try to show you any more truth about Xmas!
---J_Marc on 11/21/12


jmark, there is one God and one Jesus. also, there is only one way to heaven, thru Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. jmark, are you born again...born into the family of God? you need to get over the legalistic view you portray here. I just live by faith and I am not a tree hugger.
---shira4368 on 11/21/12


Which Jesus!?? 2nd Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
Thessalonians 2:11-12 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.2nd Corinthians 6:17-18 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing, and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
---J_Marc on 11/21/12


j mark, your scripture has nothing to do with my tree. I am a blood bought born again person and when I die, I will be with Jesus.
---shira4368 on 11/20/12


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I love christmas.shira4368
i've done what Ya (God) gave me to do!Ezekiel 33:9 Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it, if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity, but thou hast delivered thy soul.Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil, that put darkness for light, and light for darkness, that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Sorry, i don't see christmas as a good thing! Where has all the greed,covetousness,and meteralism of this pagan holiday wraped in "christian" paper lead us?Psalms 55:19-20 God shall hear, and afflict them, even he that abideth of old. Selah. Because they HAVE NO CHANGES, therefore they FEAR NOT God.
---J_Marc on 11/20/12


wow, got my beautiful tree up tonight with all the lights. its awesome. I love christmas.
---shira4368 on 11/19/12


j mark, my christmas tree isn't sacred and I don't believe I will pray over it. my tree is from hobby lobby after christmas sale.
---shira4368 on 11/19/12


"You don't think that Mesopotamian pagans celebrated the Nativity According to the Flesh of our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ centuries before His earthly birth, do you?" Historically, Nimrod was identified with Tammanz, the sun god. Depicted by a sacred tree that was cut down, then a young tree was found in it's place. This represented the rebirth of Nimrod the sun god. The enemy paved the way to Madonna and child worship with many counterfeit representations, including Isis and Osirus (Egpyt) , also Nimrod and Semirus! Christ is not to be worshiped as a little babe in his mothers arms, but as LORD!
---J_Marc on 11/19/12


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"j mark. you insult people who don't believe the same way as you." 2nd Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears, And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.Psalms 55:19-20 God shall hear, and afflict them, even he that abideth of old. Selah. Because they HAVE NO CHANGES, therefore they FEAR NOT God.He hath put forth his hands against such as be at peace with him: he hath broken his covenant.
---J_Marc on 11/18/12


Follower_of_Christ:

You wrote: Jeremiah was a prophet speaking to the new testament church.

No, Jeremiah was a prophet speaking to the old testament Jews. His message was very specific and relevant to their situation at that time. The fact that we can also learn from it does not change the fact that it was primarily directed at someone else, and not us. In the same way that Paul's letters to the Corinthians were written primarily to address the problems of Corinth, for example.
---StrongAxe on 11/17/12


j mark. you insult people who don't believe the same way as you. I am not a pagan but I am a born again christian now for over 60 years and christmas is a special holiday. it may be heathern to you but it isn't heathern to me. I love my Lord more than I can express here. He has kept me and sustained me for nearly 74 years. I will continue to put my tree up as I have done for decades.
---shira4368 on 11/16/12


\\That makes a change, Im so used to your controversial unbiblical answers to most posts\\

Apologies accepted, Carla.

But you don't actually think that YOU give Biblical answers to posts, do you?

As I've said, the ability to quote scripture verses is not the same thing as giving the Word of God.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/16/12


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Woopeedeee!!!!

For once Cluny agree's take my humble and sincere apologies, That makes a change, Im so used to your controversial unbiblical answers to most posts Xxx
---Carla on 11/16/12


\\your post actually states the xmas tree originated with the german protestants\\

Of course it states that. Where did you think Christmas Trees originated?

You don't think that Mesopotamian pagans celebrated the Nativity According to the Flesh of our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ centuries before His earthly birth, do you?

Therefore, Jeremiah was NOT talking about Christmas Trees.

Once more you err, FoC, knowing neither the Sciptures, nor the Power of God--nor anything about History.

But as I said, I'm an Orthodox and don't observe Protestant customs.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 11/16/12


"you don't believe in christmas trees?" i REPENTED of it when i really started studing the bible! Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil, that put darkness for light, and light for darkness, that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Sorry, i don't see christmas as a good thing! Where has all the greed,covetousness,and meteralism of this pagan holiday wraped in "christian" paper lead us?
---J_Marc on 11/16/12


Because Christmas Trees, as we know them today, originated among German Protestants. Jeremiah was speaking to JEWS.

wrong again!! Jeremiah was a prophet speaking to the new testament church seeing your post actually states the xmas tree originated with the german protestants, the tribe of Judah was not using xmas trees nor did they probably understand what Jeremiah was speaking about, afterall the Lord Jesus was a prophecy many believed might happen in their lifetime and never did, and of course when he came nobody believed, much like the prophecy of the tree, it was foretold thousands of years prior to its use, and now people scoff at Gods warning and say I'll do what I want because I will not have God ruling my life.
---Follower_of_Christ on 11/15/12


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mark j, you mean to tell me you don't believe in christmas trees? maybe a christmas doesn't mean the same to me as it does someone else. do you send christmas cards? I do know what we celebrate at christmas but to me a christmas tree is just fun. I love the lights, wraping gifts and christmas carols.
---shira4368 on 11/16/12


"ok...let me see here. I am a christian---" 1st Thessalonians5:21-22 Prove all things, hold fast that which is good. Abstain from all appearance of evil. Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil, that put darkness for light, and light for darkness, that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! IS christmas a good thing? Where has all the greed,covetousness,and meteralism of this pagan holiday wraped in "christian" paper lead us?
---J_Marc on 11/15/12


ok...let me see here. I am a christian and I am putting up a christmas tree. my christmas tree isn't heathern and I don't worship a tree.
---shira4368 on 11/14/12


\\I never understand how people try to cover over a practice because THEY themselves are in favour of doing it. Go for it, if you have no ears or eyes to read and understand the word of the prophets... as long as you do not encourage others to follow...
---Carla on 11/13/12\\

Carla, if you had eyes to read what I said and a mind to understand it, you would have seen that I said that I don't put up Christmas trees.

Glory to Jesus Chrit!
---Cluny on 11/14/12


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Gentile paganism:Acts 19:19-20 Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver.So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed. P.s. cultic? Romans 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
---J_Marc on 11/14/12


\\Romans 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: \\

A text without a context is a pretext.

This is one of the verses cultists use to impose the yoke of Jewish practices (in a greater or lesser degree of strictness) upon Gentile Christians.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/14/12


"Jeremiah was speaking to JEWS."?? Romans 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.2nd Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
---J_Marc on 11/13/12


Cluny,

That's smart, however, we are not heathens either, therefore if this is a pagan tradition, nor should we engage in the practice.

I never understand how people try to cover over a practice because THEY themselves are in favour of doing it. Go for it, if you have no ears or eyes to read and understand the word of the prophets... as long as you do not encourage others to follow...
---Carla on 11/13/12


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\\Why did Jeremiah warn us not to learn the ways of what orginated with "Mesopotamian paganism"? \\

Because Christmas Trees, as we know them today, originated among German Protestants. Jeremiah was speaking to JEWS.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/13/12


Follower_of_Christ:

Jeremiah's warning would certainly apply to Christians today -IF- Christmas trees were objects of worship. However, I know of nobody who actually WORSHIPS a Christmas tree. Pagan nature-worshippers MAY indeed worship trees, but then they don't call them Christmas trees.
---StrongAxe on 11/12/12


"Mesopotamian paganism did not worship decorated trees."? Why did Jeremiah warn us not to learn the ways of what orginated with "Mesopotamian paganism"? Jeremiah 10:2-4 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold, they ---. Mighty simular to Christmas trees in post-Reformation Germany!
---J_Marc on 11/12/12


The quote from Jeremiah is about idolatry and not about Christmas trees, as Mesopotamian paganism did not worship decorated trees.

The custom of Christmas trees originated in post-Reformation Germany, so again, it bears no historical connection with paganism.

And I don't have a dog in this hunt as I don't put a Christmas tree up.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/11/12


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\\Not all Christians follow the Lord Jesus, and because they prefer their vain, empty, hollow traditions of men the Lord has left them to their own ways, which are not his ways and eventually they no longer hear the Lord\\

You're one of them, FOC. You don't actually think that YOUR ways are God's ways, do you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/11/12


Hi, great post Reba! :) I agree with you.
---Mary on 11/10/12


The prophecy in Jeremiah 10:2-4!! is stunning!!

Jeremiah's warning learn not the way of the heathen

Lord Jesus warns Believers to come out from among them

who are them? the pagans, the heathens, gentile (unbelievers), the sinners participating in vain traditions of men.

Jeremiah 10:5 " ...they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good."

Understand as Jeremiah 10 continues these people whose custom is to take the trees out of the forest and decorate them they do not have it in them to do good!!

Jeremiah foretells the prophecy of Gods wrath on people who participate in this vain tree custom of men, these people will experience Gods wrath.
---Follower_of_Christ on 11/10/12


Not all Christians follow the Lord Jesus, and because they prefer their vain, empty, hollow traditions of men the Lord has left them to their own ways, which are not his ways and eventually they no longer hear the Lord 1 Corinthians 14:21. No examples of Lord Jesus and Apostles participating in the vile action of mens traditions!! only true Followers defend Gods Word and warnings, unbelievers (those who do not Follow the Lord) ridicule those who truly embrace Gods ways, and defend mans traditions!!! Listen to the Lord Jesus who's warning tells Believers to stay away from traditions of men, instead of unbelievers who seek to pull you away and have you follow them and mens traditions all from and inspired by Satan.
---Follower_of_Christ on 11/10/12


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This tree is then decorated in the fashion Jeremiah described. A corollary to the Tammuz tree was the rite in which the women cried for the dead god. Shortly after Jeremiah's time, we find the idolatry has penetrated the Jewish temple where we see Sun worship and "women weeping for Tammuz." (Ezekiel 16:14) The sun worship is closely related to the end of the Winter Solstice when the sun begins to stay in the sky longer.
---J_Marc on 11/8/12


Mona_Wenger:

Most Christians don't have troubles with Christmas trees. The only ones who do are typically ones who take many parts of the Bible extremely literally (i.e. ultra-fundamentalists). Such people typically have very strong faiths (whether or not such faiths are proper or misguided is a matter for a separate discussion), so one generally does not risk damaging their faith by your own acting in manners that disagree with it. Indeed, a crusade against Christmas trees is more likely to put off weak Christians than strong ones.
---StrongAxe on 11/8/12


I say, get rid of the tree since this is going to cause an issue with a fellow christian. Do not put any stumbling block...
---Mona_Wenger on 11/7/12


Reba, you wrote, "The verse you mentioned in Jeremiah is talking about "worshipping" the tree" Where does it say "worshipping"? It says "learn not" ! Where is the command in scripture to celebrate the birth of Christ? We have inherited very wrong traditions!
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the TRADITION of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
---J_Marc on 11/7/12


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The verse you mentioned in Jeremiah is talking about "worshipping" the tree they cut down. God talks alot about people making idols from wood to worship. If you worship the Christmas tree then for sure it's wrong! For me, the tree is nothing more than a birthday cake to celebrate one's birthday. Christ was born, this is my way of showing I celebrate His birth, Love Him for his sacrifice for me & eagerly await His return! For me, Christmas is all about Christ!
---Reba on 11/6/12


" so why say Christmas instead of Xmas while you still can?" Jed on 11/6/12 Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil, that put darkness for light, and light for darkness, that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Sorry, i don't see christmas as a good thing! Where has all the greed,covetousness,and meteralism of this pagan holiday wraped in "christian" paper lead us?
---J_Marc on 11/6/12


I'm just wondering why you wouldn't just use the word Christmas? Why use Xmas? Although it may not seem like it at the moment, we still live in a country where you are allowed to be a christian and speak about Christ, although many may try to stop you. We will most likely see the day when that will no longer be the case, so why say Christmas instead of Xmas while you still can?
---Jed on 11/6/12


Xmas is a common abbreviation. It has variants (such as Xtemass) The "mas" part is from the Latin-derived Old English word for Mass, while the "X" comes from the Greek letter Chi, which is the first letter of the Greek word for "Christ. Xmas has been used for 100's of years and in no way denigrates Christ.
---NurseRobert on 11/5/12


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the letter X looks most like the cross. it was code. the church at the time was not allowed to mention or say anything related to jesus. but,the penalties were more severe then. the 12 days of christmas was also a song that sounded secular, but all those crazy gifts were coded.
---aka on 11/5/12


Jed you wrote, "It's called CHRISTmas. Why would a Christian want to replace the word Christ with an X? As if it's some kind of dirty word that shouldn't be said or typed?" The early true church never used words like mas, Christmas, holly, wreath, mistletoe ,Rudolph, Santa claus,and Christmas tree, and were never mentioned in scripturue! The early apostate church adopted pagan winter solstice observances, lacing them into professing Christianity The 4th century! Jeremiah 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen

---J_Marc on 11/5/12


know what I like about christmas?

No.

O.K. let me tell you.

The people who celebrate christmas, who are against "trinity" or " rapture" because neither trinity nor rapture are in the bible
---francis on 11/5/12


Is anyone else appauled by the fact that a christian refers to Christmas as Xmas? It's called CHRISTmas. Why would a Christian want to replace the word Christ with an X? As if it's some kind of dirty word that shouldn't be said or typed?
---Jed on 11/4/12


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Jeremiah was a major prophet, yet most are incorrectly taught their prophecies pertained to the people of that time, however purpose of prophets were to warn Gods chosen people regardless of the time the prophet lived. To live for the world and embrace the traditions of the gentiles (unbelievers) and their vain traditions is evil. God states all traditions of men are vain Mark 7:8 Colossians 2:8

holy scripture warns believers to follow after the Lord Jesus not the traditions of men who are of the world (not the Lord).

Proverbs 17:15
He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.
---Follower_of_Christ on 11/3/12


christian, Amen to that reply! The Truth has made you free.
Peter, I John 5:19 "We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one." (NKJV) The majority of people find heathan practices in Christian wrapping paper acceptable.
franois, Guns are not labled "for good use only", and criminals use them for evil.
---J_Marc on 11/4/12


J.Marc, what Jeremiah 10 tells us is that long before there was a celebration that was to be called "christmas", the existence of tree cutting and decorating them with gold and silver, existed. They were celebrated by "the heathen".

This tradition continues today in "christmas". Regardless of how they hide behind the name of Christ to justify their idolatry, they are still "heathens", period. Even unbelievers and haters of Christ celebrate this festival. The math is simple.

"Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God." James 4:4
---christan on 11/3/12


The question is what we DO with the tree...... If we 'worship' the tree, in any way, of course it is evil..... If we look at it simply as a decoration, it would seem to be acceptable
---Peter on 11/3/12


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Is the Xmas tree is heathen?
---J_Marc on 11/1/12
Psalms 24:1 The earth [is] the LORD'S, and the fulness thereof, the world, and they that dwell therein.

I have never seen a tree labeled " christmas" while growing in the forest

Neither are there any rabbits labeled Easter

The passage is not about the tree itself. The tree is the Lord's it is not evil or heathen. But idolatry is evil and is of the heathen
---francis on 11/2/12


Phil & Scott1, Please watch the works! We will all be judged by them! Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he shall reward every man according to his works.Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly, and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
---J_Marc on 11/2/12


Hi Willie O! Cross, Colossians 1:18, Deep Things of god, Col 2:10 2 Peter 1:19 & Revelation 22:16, Bright & morming star , Ephesians 4:8 Captivity captive There is another star .Acts 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon (confusion).Please e carefull with all those representations !Ezekiel 6:6 In all your dwelling places the cities shall be laid waste, and the high places shall be desolate, that your altars may be laid waste and made desolate, and your idols may be broken and cease, and your images may be cut down, and your works may be abolished.
---J_Marc on 11/2/12


The internet can be used for sin and to worship of idols. I guess we got to get rid of it also.
---Scott1 on 11/2/12


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Those pagan practices were religious and performed in ignorance. Only Israel had the law and the ordinances, making them culpable for offense and guilt.

Superstition was very strong until Light came into the world. With His departure to heaven truth was declared openly throughout the earth. Satan was to be transfigured into a messenger of light, and God sent a strong delusion into the earth, that they might believe the lie whoever denied Him Whom He had sent, the Lord.

Modern Christendom retains many superstitious practices and beliefs even in this day.

It does not affect salvation out of grace through faith.
---Phil on 11/2/12


Cluny, The evidence probally burned! Other pagan tree practices-Jeremiah 2:20 For of old time I have broken thy yoke, and burst thy bands, and thou saidst, I will not transgress, when upon every high hill and under every green tree thou wanderest, playing the harlot.Ezekiel 6:13 Then shall ye know that I am the LORD, when their slain men shall be among their idols round about their altars, upon every high hill, in all the tops of the mountains, and under every green tree, and under every thick oak, the place where they did offer sweet savour to all their idols.Isaiah 57:5 Enflaming yourselves with idols under every green tree, slaying the children in the valleys under the clifts of the rocks?
---J_Marc on 11/2/12


That is a good point that we should not be covetous. I remember how I was so about getting my own gifts, and having status with the family because of the gifts I gave them. I was not about Jesus.

Now I can see the star on top represents Jesus who is the Star (Colossians 1:18 & 2:10, 2 Peter 1:19, Revelation 22:16), and the gifts at the bottom represent how He has given "gifts to men" (Ephesians 4:8). Paul and Peter use "a thief in the night" (1 Thessalonians 5:2, 2 Peter 3:10), to represent Jesus, even though it is wrong to be a thief. And even though the serpent fooled Eve, Jesus says "be wise as serpents and harmless as doves." (Mathew 10:16). So, Jesus can use wrong things for His good meaning (c:
---willie_c: on 11/2/12


\\Cluny, please take another look Jer 10 says that threr were heathen (pagans) in that area that had ways that the children were not to even learn!\\

Any archeological evidence that the pagans of Jeremiah's time would decorate trees?

If not, then this passage is not talking about trees as such.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/2/12


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Cluny, please take another look Jer 10 says that threr were heathen (pagans) in that area that had ways that the children were not to even learn! Decking trees! 1Cliff, Arn't our Xmas trees idolized? Pat, Amen to your whole comment! Thank you all for your replys! What about the covetousness the Xmas practice instilled in us as children?Exodus 20:17 Thou shalt not covet
---J_Marc on 11/2/12


The heathen [nations] fear the potentially destructive elements of nature. Signs of heaven are eclipses, comets, lightning, ect. About the trees: These practices are vain, worthless. These made-man gods are speechless and impotent. Like a scarecrow in the field, uprght as the palm tree.... But the living God is GREAT. There is none like unto thee.... The wise men of the nations are BRUTISH, [STUPID], and FOOLISH. God's majesty is exalted. He is the King of nations. He is the true God. And God is not a happy camper.
---pat on 11/1/12


j mark, the scripture in Jer.10 is referring to idols not Christmas trees!
Trees were worshipped by the Druids,like the god of the oak tree (people still say "knock on wood" when thy hope something so as not to offend the tree god)
The Yule log and decked out Christmas tree symbolized the death and resurrection of Nimrod by his mother/wife Semiramis. Also the constellation Orion ,the mighty hunter in the sky!
---1st_cliff on 11/1/12


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