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Should we ALWAYS take our problems to our pastor as some members will tell us to do, or shouldn't God be the first person to tell and then go to whomever God is telling us take counsel with? Pastors are not infallible nor are they always discrete so what would each of you here do when advice is needed?

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Sis. Rita, you are absolutely right. Just say a prayer for them, God does know all the details. What God wants from us is to continue to be in touch with Him, and the more we do that the less we depend on ourselves. As believers we have what others don't have, a spiritual connection with God.
---Mark_V. on 11/26/12


Thank you very much Mark V. I appreciate what you say. You've more or less answered a different question I asked.

There are many Christians who are, unfortunately, not discreet. It may be done with the best of intentions but I actually have to stop one friend each time she starts to tell me what another Christian has 'confided' in her.

I have to say to her "Well if she's confided in you just ensure that you respect that confidence" and then I change the subject.

It should always be sufficient to just say "Sarah (or whoever) could use a little prayer support right now" or words to that effect but no detail. God knows the detail, we don't need to most of the time.
---Rita_H on 11/25/12


Sis. Rita, sorry we went off the blog. I believe it happened when Phil blamed Paul for all the problems in Christianity. I hope you got the answers you were looking for. Man is not infallible. Man and woman can gossip when they hear our prayers many times. In my former church, there was a sister who was married and was having a problem with her husband whom we all knew very well. As it turned out, so many in the Church knew their whole marriage problems because the prayer groups were all praying for them. Sometimes for advice it is better to keep in within two people. And not mention the marriage problems to the whole group. The prayer groups here on line are better. No one knows the other, but know we should pray for each other.
---Mark_V. on 11/25/12


Thank you Phil, your comment is much appreciated.
---Rita_H on 11/25/12


Mark_V

I always answer. I am not at a loss for such things.

My preference is to supply scriptural evidence. Of course, not all are looking for answers, but contention.

Those who my responses reach are those seeking truth. I appreciate you for being insightful enough to provide that venue.
---Phil on 11/24/12




Rita_H on 11/24/12---Many of these answers are a poor witness to any newcomer because many of you sound so UNloving.

If you read Acts, you will find no small stir created by Paul, who argued G1256 dialegomai with those who deemed themselve teachers of the law. The Kingdom is taken by violence, and the violent take it by force.

This forum cannot be a substitute for intimacy and fellowship with loving saints. It is an arena for warfare in the synagogue, and the faithful and the heretic will be found here.

All things work together for good to those who are called. Deception and apostasy are serious matters. And when idols and icons fall, there is noise.

Nevertheless, I agree with you in sympathy.
---Phil on 11/24/12


---francis on 11/24/12

You are in a realm that reveals much about you.

Emotion nearly always triumphs over the spirit when creedalism is being defended. I regret this.

It is the reckless one who refuses evidence and prefers posturing to carefulness and humility.

There is no light given to the ungracious. Their reward is to trend into deeper depths of being marginalized by the powers that deny the Christ His glory.

Being sapped of true spiritual strength, they resort to building on dead men's bones.
---Phil on 11/24/12


shouldn't God be the first person to tell ?
---Rita_H on 11/8/12
You can do both at the same time, pray and talk to your pastor.

You pastor should be able to better explain to you the law and judgment of God concerning what you are going through.

Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles, and some, prophets, and some, evangelists, and some, pastors and teachers,

Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

God has choosen to work through his body, that is the church, and has equiped the church with all that it needs to be edified.

By Going to the pastor, you are showing respect for God and his church
---francis on 11/24/12


---Rita_H on 11/8/12
Exodus 18:16 When they have a matter, they come unto me, and I judge between one and another, and I do make them know the statutes of God, and his laws

Exodus 18:25 And Moses chose able men out of all Israel, and made them heads over the people, rulers of thousands, rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens. And they judged the people at all seasons: the hard causes they brought unto Moses, but every small matter they judged themselves.

Rita_H I hope this helps answer your question. There are small matters which someone else may be able to you with, and hard matter which must be brought to the pastor
---francis on 11/24/12


--Phil on 11/23/12
READ HEBREWS MY SON
Hebrews 11:10 For he (ABRAHAM) looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. (THE NEW JERUSALEM)

So no Jew looked to inherit this present earthly kingdom.

The bible is 100% clear, that those who offered salvation to jew or gentiles based on circumcision were:
A: Galatians 2:4 FALSE BRETHREN unawares brought in,

B: Galatians 6:12 lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.

C: Galatians 6:13 that they may glory in your flesh.

Circumcision was NEVER part of the NT message for salvation

Acts 15:7 God put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
---francis on 11/24/12




It doesn't take much for you folks to go off the subject does it?

You seem to have exhausted answers to my question and now we are discussing circumcision and a heap of other things.

Why don't 'those who do this' just start a new blog when you wish to totally change the subject OR do you just enjoy ARGUING with each other?

Many of these answers are a poor witness to any newcomer because many of you sound so UNloving. I find that sad as it is doing a disservice to Christianet.
---Rita_H on 11/24/12


Phil, though you did not answer my questions you posted,

"The Kingdom believers are under the law. The Lord demanded it and taught it to them.

We are under no such requirement."


Believers are not under the Law. No one under the Law is saved. All believers from the Old Testament were saved by Grace through faith, just like they are today. No works are involve. Everyone who was lost in the past, and lost today is still under the Law. Condemned. For no one can keep the whole law, if they break one they have broken them all that is why there is no salvation under the law. If they are under the law, they are in great need of Christ mercy.
---Mark_V. on 11/24/12


---francis on 11/23/12

Luke tells us the purpose of the Acts of the Apostles.

"..after that He through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen ...and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God""

The Twelve received specific instructions from the Lord before He entered into glory with His Father.

Circumcision was part of the plan for all who would enter the earthly Kingdom that was still being offered through Israel.

This offer was fully retracted, Israel rejecting it a second time. Ac 28:28

The Law was never rescinded for the Hebrew.

Paul's evangel of grace was incomprehensible to most believing Jews [2Pt 3:15-16]
---Phil on 11/23/12


The Kingdom believers are under the law. The Lord demanded it and taught it to them.
---Phil on 11/23/12

Thou needest to readest the booketh of Hebreweth writen to those who you call "The Kingdom believers,"
Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, [and] not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
---francis on 11/23/12


Ac 15:5 they must be circumcised...,
---Phil on 11/23/12
Well let me answer you from the BIBLE!
The reason why the wished to have Gentiles circumcised is:
A: Galatians 2:4 because of FALSE BRETHREN unawares brought in,

B: Galatians 6:12 lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.

C: Galatians 6:13 that they may glory in your flesh.


Galatians 3:28 for ye are all one in Christ Jesus...if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed,..For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

Take a few days to meditate on this, I know it is new to you
Do not be so fast to respond. If you need me to explain more I will
---francis on 11/23/12


Acts 15:9 ...God put NO DIFFERENCE between us and them,
---francis on 11/22/12

Ac 15:5 Yet some from the sect of the Pharisees who have believed rise up, saying that they must be circumcised, besides charging them to keep the law of Moses.

The Kingdom believers are under the law. The Lord demanded it and taught it to them.

We are under no such requirement.

Peter's attempt to go to the nations was rebuffed. The Jewish disciples went only to the Jews, not the Gentiles. Ac 11:19

Their stubborness opened the door to our Apostle Paul.

You fail to correctly divide the word of truth. Careless reading results in error.

Proper division of God's word is the key to understanding. 2Ti 2:15
---Phil on 11/23/12


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Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree, SAME ROOT SAME FATNESS SAME DOCTRINE

Ephesians 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling, One Lord, one faith, one baptism, WHAT PART OF ONE DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

1 Cor 1:13 Is Christ divided?
Acts 10:34 God is no respecter of persons

Acts 15:9 ...God put NO DIFFERENCE between us and them,
PHIL DO YOU UNDERSTAND NO DIFFERENCE
---francis on 11/22/12


Not always! A pastor may be qualified if it's a spiritual matter, but maybe not be qualified in other areas, for example: Marital Counseling. One of the problems I had with those who came to me for Marital Counseling (usually sent to me by a pastor), was "tip-toeing" around what a pastor may have said that was wrong without the pastor "loosing face".
---wivv on 11/22/12


---francis on 11/21/12

You presume much, yet the evidence is against your position. Either sentiment, creedalism, or tradition has prevented you from perceiving the clear words of Scripture.

Until you re-read Galatians
Chapter two with more care, and less prejudgment, you will remain unable to correctly divide the word of truth.

I am not wanting that for you, as maturity better suits the saints than minority.
---Phil on 11/22/12


Phil, you are reading too much into (Gal. 2:2) and (Rom. 2:16). The gospel Paul mentioned was his, was the same gospel that the others were preaching. The gospel of salvation by grace through faith alone, not by works of the law. But he was bringing the gospel to the Gentiles.
(Gal. 2:2) The revelation from God was the voice of the Holy Spirit ( Acts 13:2-4) He refers to the divine commissioning of his visit in order to refute any suggestion by the Judaizers that they had sent Paul to Jerusalem to have the apostles correct his doctrine. "Those who were of reputation" were the 3 main leaders of the Jerusalem church. Peter, James and John (v.9). You keep using evangel as if it was in the passage I don't know for what reason.
---Mark_V. on 11/22/12


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Although the message taught by John, Jesus, and Peter was verified by the historical Scripture, Paul claims his message wasn't revealed to anyone prior! It was kept a secret and hid in God (Rom 16:25, Eph 3:9).

This doesn't say Paul taught heresy or never quoted Scripture. Paul often quotes Scripture. However, Paul distinguishes his message from any previous revelation, teacher, or historical tradition.

But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ Gal 1:11-12

His teaching wasn't after the tradition of man nor was he taught it by anyone. It was revealed to him by Christ from heaven.
---michael_e on 11/21/12


Ga 2:2 Now I went up in accord with a revelation, and submitted to them the evangel which I am heralding among the nations, yet privately to those of repute, lest somehow I should be racing or ran for naught.

Why privately?
---Phil on 11/21/12
The answer is: lest somehow I should be racing or ran for naught.

Paul wanted to be sure that they were all teaching the very same message. And they were all teaching the exact same message
---francis on 11/21/12


---Mark_V. on 11/20/12 "Paul taught what all disciples taught".

Ga 2:2 Now I went up in accord with a revelation, and submitted to them the evangel which I am heralding among the nations, yet privately to those of repute, lest somehow I should be racing or ran for naught.

Why privately?

Paul calls it "My Gospel". Here are the passages:
Ro 2:16 Ro 16:25 2Ti 2:8

Ga 1:11 For I am making known to you, brethren, as to the evangel which is being brought by me, that it is not in accord with man. For neither did I accept it from a man, nor was I taught it, but it came through a revelation of Jesus Christ.

Paul's message contains the truths of crucifixion, burial and resurrection of the Christ.
---Phil on 11/21/12


Take your problems to God, as He is the only who forgives and forgets.
---michael_e on 11/21/12


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God should always be the first to whom we turn. If we are in tune with Him He will guide us to the human being who can support us. This might sometimes be your pastor but not necessarily so. Pastors have their own problems and are not always the best person to ask for advice or to burden with our problems. God will guide in this.
---andreea on 11/21/12


Phil, you did not answer my questions, which Israelites are going to be saved? Those who died in their sins rejecting Christ? Those today who reject Christ now, or those who will be born later? Who is going to rule in the future? And how are they going to enter the kingdom of God without Christ? Let me help you:
"You will say then, "branches were broken off that I might be grafted in." Well said, Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughtey, but fear" (Rom. 11:19,20).
Branches were broken off and others grafted in based solely on the issue of Faith, not race, ethnicity, social or intellectual background, or external morality. Salvation is ever and always by faith alone.
---Mark_V. on 11/21/12


The word Baptist is not a label. There is nothing to be implied by using the noun, Baptist.

However, and antagonistic person may become agitated hearing it, or supposed enemies of this sect may rise up the hackles, but that would be due to insanity, not the mind of Christ.

Nothing can change the 800 or so sects of Christendom. It fulfills the purposes of God.

It is from within them that God is able to call out His elect. It is ideal in that sense.

All who invoke the name of the Lord out of a pure heart are brethren. Such invocation does not occur without His spirit being within.

These truths do not make sectarianism any more palatable.
---Phil on 11/20/12


Phil, you say,

"I sincerely doubt that anything shocks your sensibilities. They are cunningly contrived and well-honed to endure the difficulties you find yourself in. Paul was commissioned to the Gentiles, as Peter was to the Jews [Ga 2:9] Paul alone has doctrine and truth for the body of Christ."

The only difficulty I see, is your understanding of the word. Paul taught what all disciples taught, one gospel. Not another gospel. The only difference was that now it was going to the all Gentiles. Where before it only went to Israel. Second, what was spoken of Israel, was now fulfilled in Christ. Jesus Christ is the Israel of God. You make it sound like there two gospels one for the Jews and one for the Gentiles.
---Mark_V. on 11/20/12


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Phil 2: you also say,

"My understanding of Paul's teaching and ministry is not deficient by any standard. The deficiency lies in those who do not rightly divide the word of truth."

If it is not defiecient, then why are you so wrong in what you say? Seems to me that when someone gives you an answer from Scripture, you say, they do not know how to divide the word. Simple passages, when you do not need any hermeneutics to know what the passage is saying. You talk about Israel ruling other nations in the future, which is simply not true at all. Which Israel is going to rule? The O.T. Israel who reject Christ? the now Israel who is rejecting Christ? or a future Israel? You have no clue.
---Mark_V. on 11/20/12


//...I commend you along with all Baptist brethren who retain and uphold the word of God.

I grieve over the sectarian state of Christendom today.//

Does not using the label "Baptist" contribute to the "sectarian state of Christendom today?"
---Rod4Him on 11/19/12


Phil, I am shocked you said what you did..
---Mark_V. on 11/16/12

I sincerely doubt that anything shocks your sensibilities. They are cunningly contrived and well-honed to endure the difficulties you find yourself in.

Paul was commissioned to the Gentiles, as Peter was to the Jews [Ga 2:9]

Paul alone has doctrine and truth for the body of Christ.

It is mixing Israel's truth with Paul's doctrines that creates division.

My understanding of Paul's teaching and ministry is not deficient by any standard. The deficiency lies in those who do not rightly divide the word of truth.
---Phil on 11/18/12


Phil, I am shocked you said what you did about Paul. You imply he is resposible for the problems in Christiandom. That is so not true at all. You bring accusing against one of the greatest apostles. What you forget is that God is in control of all things, and those things that are wrong are by permission of God, and not by Paul's fault in his ministry to the Gentiles. Whatever word was given to Paul by Jesus Christ, he did accomplish.
What is really wrong with Christiandom is the apostasy that God told us would happen. Do not blame Paul for things you do not understand when you read the words of Paul. Just blame your lack of understanding.
---Mark_V. on 11/16/12


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We must pray and study to make sure that we have scripture and the Holy Spirit to "ALWAYS take our problems to". John 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
Matt 7:15-19 "Beware of false prophets (teachers) , who come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You shall know them by their fruit. ---" We must pray and study to make sure that we have scripture and the Holy Spirit to weed out these wolves out of our lives!
---J_Marc on 11/15/12


Mark V and Phil, thank you so much for your latest answers. I truly appreciate what you say.
---Rita_H on 11/15/12


---Rita_H on 11/12/12

I appreciate your humility and courtesy. Thank you.

It is important to enjoy fellowship when it is possible. I commend you along with all Baptist brethren who retain and uphold the word of God.

I grieve over the sectarian state of Christendom today. Unity of the spirit is not there because of departing from the message that Paul preached, and failing to partition the word of God correctly. It is terribly grievous.
---Phil on 11/15/12


Sis. Rita, when you have a serious problem and need an answer fast, the best person to ask is your pastor, or someone who you know, who will give you godly advince. Pastors are not, as you say, infallible, but no one is but God. If you feel they are not discrete don't go to them. Sometimes the normal human problems are very serious, and we need help right away. I know I did at one time, and I went to many places, asked many preachers, and finally one pastor help me. I did not know if he was going to tell the whole congregation or not. At the time, I was too consumed with my problem. I depended on God to work through this person and He did. A pastor does not need to hear every little complain, only the serious ones, and put your faith in God.
---Mark_V. on 11/13/12


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Another thing that happens is that there are so many people who make a drama out of every little problem that comes up. They don't "wait upon the Lord' for it to work through.
---KarenD on 11/12/12


No Karen, I was NOT having a bad day I was simply asking a serious and very sensible question because it COULD have been two different people.
---Rita_H on 11/12/12


Phil, I had not meant to type the word cult, I did see you used sect and it was my mistake and I apologise.

I am an evangelical at heart but, for convenience, at this point in time, I attend a Baptist church which I am happy to say is quite evangelical and that is why I am probably so comfortable there.
---Rita_H on 11/12/12


RitaH....LOL....Just missed the shift key on my phone when the "D" was "d" is what happened. I'm sorry if this small little error confused you. Were you having a bad day?
---KarenD on 11/12/12


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Hello,this for bro.Mike please know how sorry I am bout eh what happen to you. I have one good eye and it takes me a while get. All read sometimes.thankfull can see at all.Very hurt what happen to you
.Heavenly father please help our bro.Mike bring healing in place of that hurt so rude but not at all like the mercy and help. This brother needed at that hour.My prayer you will bless him abundantly and bless him to know there are people who able to get a prayer through. Many here do care.in JESUS name.amen.
---ELENA on 11/11/12


Oh, sis.RitaH
Well. I. Am.use an android but they that have computer they can.givr you e xact. I think you can.put the mall.part.onCNT go to where it say pen pal or christian mingle.
I guess that it. I have got to wait till round or after the holidays. But I am making ..progress.Thankyou soon God bless.
---ELENA on 11/11/12


Why is that?
---Rita_H on 11/10/12

What price, truth?

Declaring truths that wicked forces have sought to hide causes chaos and violence.

It is in the heavens this takes place. It is seen in those who are in bondage to darkness, and react with censure and slanders.

Dividing the emotional soul from ruling the spirit is what truth does. It can get ugly. It destroys the works of darkness.

Those who hold to tradition and creeds make up the bulk of the casualties.

"Cult" is not scriptural. Sects is biblical.

Modern Christendom is divided into sects, having departed from Paul's teachings, and retaining both Gospels [Ga 1:6]. Sect and cult are not the same thing.
---Phil on 11/11/12


Elena, that is a beautiful thing you say. Is there a facility to be 'a friend' on here. I don't know my way around except for the blogs.

I also wish to ask if Karend and KarenD are the same or two different people? I am a little confused here.

I have been listed on here as RitaH and Rita H simply because, sometimes, I have forgotten to type the space but they are both me.
---Rita_H on 11/11/12


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Christians take each other to one another. Do an online KJV bible search for the words "one another", "each other", "comfort", and "encourag" to find the answer to this blog question.

More specifically:

Ephesians 4:2
Galatians 6:2
Colossians 3:13
James 5:16

Do the people in your worldly churches do these things?
---Steveng on 11/11/12


RitaH...The problem with many of today's teachers is that they are sugar-coating the gospel instead of preaching repentence. I have found on these blogs that many people calling themselves Christians actually don't want to hear the truth. They want to hear something that tickles their ears. Again, I say, people usually know what they should do. They just don't want to do it. So, they go to a pastor so he/she can tell them the decision. The Bible has all the answers any Christian needs.
---KarenD on 11/11/12


Dear Sis.RitaH. please Do Not leave for myself I plead you not to go, be encouraged! Yesterday I was on the web oh! So wanting to find a blessing to share and I found one.you can just imagine the heart of God when you read it is beautifull
Jesus inoccent..they found him guilty in the first degree & all he did.was love heal and gave his precious.. I say we are all need peacemakers...you are also my family...love of JESUS. We need you.ELENA. when I get my computer sure want you be my friend.ok?
---ELENA on 11/11/12


Karend - why should there be this 'heat'? I find your answer offensive.

Christians should be able to give helpful and honest answers to questions without using offensive/insulting words. When they cannot it is 'they' who should keep out of the discussion.

I've been here and left several times for similar reasons. I keep returning in great hopes that I will see an improvement amongst these 'Christians' but I keep going away disappointed again.
---Rita_H on 11/11/12


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//RitaH....If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the blogs.//

This is an example why one shouldn't go to a "pastor."
---Rod4Him on 11/11/12


Hi RitaH
You are correct that there is agression on blogs. Matt:24:12 comes to mind. The love of many has grown cold. Christians do not love or respect each other any more. Many are also projecting their misery onto others. Many also use blogs to say things to others that they would never have the courage to say face to face.
Anybody can insult another and name call via internet. I suspect for many it would different in person where there is the potential for real confrontation. Just my own thoughts and observations.
---pg1 on 11/11/12


RitaH....If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the blogs.
---Karend on 11/10/12


"Let no man glory in men" [1 Cor. 3:21]....God is above every man. God is the wisest of all men. So, be careful who you take counsel with. I see no reason for God to send one of His own to a mere human being. We are to worship no man! [the ten commandments, 1st]
---pat on 11/10/12


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a church leader is not infallible because no man on earth is infallible. By taking every problem to a church leader makes you subject to their direction in all things, and also makes you more of a child consulting their parent rather than an adult working out their issues. If you were taking responsibility you should write out your issue, review it and offer yourself 3 solutions, then pray to God, then if needed seek a trusted friend or family member to see if they arrive at, or have a better solution. unless you are married and have a spouse no one person on earth should have access to you and all of your issues, it is irresponsible to dump yourself on someone else and expect one person will be your savior in all your issues.
---Follower_of_Christ on 11/10/12


Exodus 18:25 And Moses chose able men out of all Israel, and made them heads over the people, rulers of thousands, rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens.

Exodus 18:26 And they judged the people at all seasons: the hard causes they brought unto Moses, but every small matter they judged themselves.
---francis on 11/10/12


Thank you Trish. Your answer is helpful.
---Rita_H on 11/10/12


\\it really shows you what kind of christian you are cluny..
---mike on 11/9/12\\

Christianity doesn't mean being nicey-nice all the time.

St. Paul--also an Orthodox Christian--was not above using a salty expression or two himself.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/10/12


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Phil, you say - Perhaps the sect you are in condones such a path.

Did I say I was in a cult? I asked a sensible question. I have been trying to advise someone to not tell her pastor as much of her private business as she does.

A friend is a pastor's wife and learns everything she knows from her husband and does not keep it to herself. That made me decide never to discuss personal things with a pastor. I don't believe that a pastor should ever discuss such things with his wife either. I just wondered what you all thought about this.

It's noticeable that many of you are very aggressive in your answers to each other. Why is that?
---Rita_H on 11/10/12


Cluny
Wow! Your last post really gave Jesus Christ a whole lot of glory.
---pg1 on 11/9/12


To blogger9211 wow! You are right, saw this happen too many times.Everyone does not know how to counsel.or keep private your demise, you have to better like one time a pastor told us years ago, he probably got sued the way he acted he would not counsel no one except one lady who was in her late 60' also, his wife was insanely.jealous so he would not counsel no.one. Reaf the bible like the sister says and believe me the lord wants us to come talk it over with him.You will be built up, receive such joy when you get that much more talking to him.Bring your cares to him, He will not gossip to nobody.amen may the lord bless you!
---ELENA on 11/10/12


We are "members of one another" (Romans 12:5, Ephesians 4:25). In God's family love we trust each other, and our Father has us know how to share with each other and help each other, more and better than how members of a human body trust and depend on each other. So, we need to be able to tell the difference about who to trust and how each person is ready to be trusted (1 Thessalonians 5:21).

God has leaders whom He Himself trusts! And He says, "Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls, as those who must give account." (in Hebrews 13:17) Those He has qualified (1 Timothy 3:1-10) are trustworthy, and they need to know what is going on so they can preach what can help us (c:
---willie_c: on 11/10/12


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SonjaHull...What denomination are you attending? Welcome to the blogs!!!
---KarenD on 11/9/12


cluny

it really shows you what kind of christian you are cluny..
---mike on 11/9/12


\\First off, don't understand your need to be a smart mouth as this is my own personal experience and opinion\\

Opinions are like rear ends. Everyone has one, and they are all filled with the same stinky stuff.

** My church is a bible church, and our pastor, a bible pastor!**

Sonja Hull, where does the Bible use the phrases "Bible Church" and "Bible pastor"? BCV, please.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/9/12


If the pastor is a trusted friend, it may be in order. Always? That does not seem fair to him or her, since everyone has problems, and adding our own to someone else's may not be good.

I suspect you are addressing the extra-authoritarian mindset of clergy/laity. Perhaps the sect you are in condones such a path. The Scriptures do not make it so clear. What is clear is Phl 4:6-7.
---Phil on 11/9/12


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Thanks to you who quoted the word! My church is a bible church, and our pastor, a bible pastor! If you have to ask the pastor, you are obviously not reading your bibles! All the answers are in the book and I suggest you study and meditate on it day and night, because"there is nothing new under the sun".
---Sonja_Hull on 11/9/12


Cluny
First off, don't understand your need to be a smart mouth as this is my own personal experience and opinion. Second I knew my story when I heard it because I know what I said to him and I heard it word for word. It was like listening to a recording of myself being played back.
---pg1 on 11/8/12


Unless your pastor is board certified in Counseling and appropriately licensed you may find out your private counseling session as turned into the next sermon illustration.
---Blogger9211 on 11/8/12


Ask the LORD for help!! John 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
Matt 7:15-19 "Beware of false prophets (teachers) , who come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You shall know them by their fruit. ---" We must pray and study to make sure that we have scripture and the Holy Spirit to weed out these wolves out of our lives!
---J_Marc on 11/8/12


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Pray, pray, yes pray! I wouldn't do it. I am going straight to God. He is the only one who knows anything. I am more convinced of this in the last few days. Only God is SMART!
---pat on 11/8/12


First I pray. Then, if necessary, I seek counsel from my mentor, a Godly woman who has helped me grow in the past twenty years.
---Trish on 11/8/12


I personally think that adults should solve their own problems without taking them to other people. However, it seems that many adults have a problem making the final decision. Several times when people have come to me with problems I tell them that they already know the answer. They just need to make their own decision. I refuse to make their decisions for them.
---KarenD on 11/8/12


\\. Turned my problems into a sermon. The only thing he did not do was say my name. \\

Of course, you were the only one with whatever problem you brought to your pastor, right, pg1?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/8/12


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I have learned from personal experience not to ever confide in a pastor or seek his/her counsel because my trust was betrayed. Turned my problems into a sermon. The only thing he did not do was say my name. Also shared with office staff. Will never confide in another pastor.
---pg1 on 11/8/12


you have to do YOUR own research in how to solve problems...a pastor will give you a snake, a stone for a bread & shut the door on your face...
when I ask a pastor about self confidence, he said the middle of SIN is I... but when I lost my job, I have to look for a job, go for the interview to present mySELF...while stupid pastors just stick out their hands & ask for 10% that is why they don't have money problems
---mike on 11/8/12


1) If you do not trust your pastor why are you under his authority.
2) having the Pastor be the answer to everyone's problems is not biblical. In Acts they talk about breaking of bread in homes aka small groups, bible study, friends. They also know you the best more than the pastor does. See also Moses and his father-in-law also deacons and elders. They also know you the best more than the pastor does.
3) people give problems to the pastor because he is "anointed man" so they can be passive. Example "Pastor so-and-so has not been to church lately you should call them".
---Scott1 on 11/8/12


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