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but, back to point...that initial tally of heaven and hell was an initial tally. as i stated before, i am not using euphemisms but you are welcome. he doesn't say gehenna in english texts. it says hell. but i will give you double points for that and we can use any euphemism that you like. Heaven (no euphemism) in Matt only - low 63ish. Hell (double the times that hell...gehenna is mentioned in the 4 gospels) 28ish.
---aka on 12/27/12


Linda H 2: you and many have formed in your minds a God who has control of nothing. Rules no one, is defeated by humans, satan and demons. Who loves everybody and wants to save everyone, but humans will not let Him. Most of you ignore or reject the passages about God. Don't any of you understand the importance of this subject? It is about your own souls.
If your faith is in the wrong person, there is no salvation period. When you say it is up to you and your decision, then you are putting your faith in yourself. Look how clear the Word is about that subject:
"..who then can be saved? But Jesus looked at them and said to them, "with men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible".
---Mark_V. on 12/27/12


lindaH,

Just for the record, i do not believe that man has free will. i believe that God has free will, and man chose "unfree will". a will that has to be paid for. man in no way, by none of his efforts can do this.

mark_v, there is a difference between being persecuted and feeling persecuted. i just disagree with you as you disagree with others.

i never suggested in any way that i have a pure heart.

also, i did not know that calling someone Calvinist who follows the teachings of calvin a bad thing. but, i can see why you would say that.

i don't call you anything no matter how many times you say it.
---aka on 12/27/12


Lindah, you wrote,
"Kinda sounds like you just called him an unbeliever in the word of God right there."

If it sounds like that to you, I am so sorry it does. Not an unbeliever in the of the word of God, the Bible, or an unbeliever of Christ, but someone who does not know the God of the Bible, and what the Bible says about God, the same as you and all who preach that their own works, their free will saved them. In a god who knocks at peoples doors and ask if he can come in and you have to give him permission. That is not the God of the Bible. If you ask me if he or you are all those who believe that are saved, I cannot say yes or no. Only God knows who is saved. I only respond to what you guys say is true but is not.
---Mark_V. on 12/27/12


James, and Merry Christmas to you. I will explain why I said what I did. It might not matter to you, but here it is.
I've learned from many people what the Bible teaches. When God saved me, I have learned from the Bible, teachers, theologians, hermeneutics books, history of the Church books, brothers and sisters, school teachers. I could not speak a word if I did not learn it from someone, neither could you. My point was, I did not learn from Calvin anything. I do not even know his life or teachings. A few months ago I bought a book on Christoligy by Calvin, and have yet to read it. I do admit I have learned from many who preach and teach the Word of God. And, almost 90% of the times I put down Scripture to show from the Word of God.
---Mark_V. on 12/27/12




Mark V,
persecuted? really? You learned only from the Word of God? really?

you copy and paste from John MacArthur's daily devotional bible, among other Calvinist works.


\\So the sense of this verse can be rendered, "The kingdom presses ahead relentlessly, and only the relentless press their way into it"\\
---Mark_V. on 8/8/11


\\Yet the kingdom preaching presses ahead relentlessly, and only the relentless press their way into it.\\
---Mark_V. on 12/25/12


Anyone can google these EXACT quotes of yours, and find they are MacArthur's very words.

What gives ???

Who's lying? You, or google?
---James_L on 12/26/12


I call you nothing. I learned what I believe from the Word of God. If you believed in His Word, you would also speak for God not man--- MarkV

Kinda sounds like you just called him an unbeliever in the word of God right there.

You're approach to people is what gets you so much hostility in return. This is very likely why you spend your time preaching on the internet rather than in person. You simply rub people the wrong way and that makes your message of "Truth" ineffective.
---LindaH on 12/26/12


Aka, if you have nothing against me, why do you persecute me? You suggest your heart is pure, yet you call me a Calvinist. I call you nothing. I learned what I believe from the Word of God. If you believed in His Word, you would also speak for God not man. As I said before, My God is not a J. Witness or Mormon, knocking on peoples doors, hoping someone lets Him in. He is God of all, and you don't like that, so you get personal. From the first time I began answering on behalf of God, you have been oppose to the Rule-ship of God. My God is God.
"He doeth according to His will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth, and none can stay His hand" (Dan. 4:35).
You get angry that I post His Word.
---Mark_V. on 12/25/12


"Theological house of cards."- Marc

Knew I should have copyrighted that. = )
---scott on 12/25/12


//he is clear in his post and I have never heard him say what you accuse him of saying.// - shira

first of all, it is not accusation. we are stating fact: //the very Words of Christ, who spoke more of hell then He did of heaven.// mark_v

as you pointed out this is totally false. so, are you accusing him or stating fact? i did not say mark is lying, i said he was repeating a non-truth.

also, if you do not know mark is a calvinist, you simply are not paying attention and/or ignoring the truth.

//what have you all got against markv. // personally nothing. it his beliefs, tactics, and demeanor that can be problematic but only to mark himself and those who do not know any better.
---aka on 12/25/12




Marc, go ahead, keep calling me names and accusing me, it exposes your spirit, and it is not the Spirit of Christ.
I told you already, I do not believe in prophets, so you lie. I'm not a Calvinist, so you lie again. I will not recant on what I said. Maybe the word "hell" is not mention that many times, but references to hell are more then heaven or the Kingdom of heaven.
Hades, gehenna, lake of fire, all refer to hell. Literal phrases like, "the furnace of fire" or "where the worm does not die" Or the fire that does not quenched" or "the smoke of their torment goes up forever" or "he will be tormented with fire and brimstone" all refer to hell. So how can I recant what is Truth?
---Mark_V. on 12/25/12


aka looked it up too so I am happy for strongs concordance. used it many times.
---shira4368 on 12/25/12


just for the record, I looked up heaven and hell and heaven is mentioned much more than hell is. I don't know if markv is a calvanist or not because he hasn't made himself clear on the "elect". matthew mentions heaven more than other books of the new testiment. what have you all got against markv. he is clear in his post and I have never heard him say what you accuse him of saying. I would like to be clear on the "elect".
---shira4368 on 12/24/12


phil,

without a doubt that is the greatest compliment that i have received in my life (and came at the right time), but ALL the glory belongs to the Elohim Almighty. the privilege of reverberating the Truth is just reasonable service.

Marc,

remember, we are all errant in one way or another and in much different degrees. we are all in need of a savior from ourselves. in my two, three years here, i have learned quite a lot of different beliefs and it has helped me develop from within.
---aka on 12/25/12


Thank you aka, but I doubt that MarkV will bother withdrawing his 'feel-good-to-a-Calvinist' assertion that Jesus spoke more of hell than heaven. You see, aka, MarkV hates facts getting in the way of a good story about how he's part of the elect and that God foreknows and predestines individuals to hell because facts overruling his theology is just a little too inconvenient for his theological house of cards.

Furthermore, let's not reason together but MarkV prefers to throw at you "God has told me so". After all, MarkV is God's prophet and can never be wrong.
---Marc on 12/24/12


---aka on 12/24/12

David was surrounded by his mighty men, defectors from the rest who had placed their trust in Saul, the people's choice and not God's.

aka, you remind me of these men. Vigilant and committed to what God has spoken, not the words that people choose to believe.

Thank you for your efforts and strength to prove, with scripture, your position. A confederate and a rebel, ready to follow the word into battle.
---Phil on 12/24/12


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HELL: Mat 5:22, Mat 5:29, Mat 5:30, Mat 10:28, Mat 16:18, Mat 18:9, Mat 23:15, Mat 23:33, Mar 9:43, Mar 9:45, Mar 9:47, Luke 12:5

that is four gospels.
---aka on 12/24/12


j. Marc, if you do not believe celebrating the birth of the Messiah is sin, then why did you give passages condemning us that it wrong? And why did you pray publicly to God and asked Him to forgive us, and that we should repent? Why do people ask forgiveness for if there is no sin from which to repent from? I even left you peace and moved on. But I was wrong, you turned out just like the many others that cannot discuss godly topics without getting angry and responding the way they do, and not the Spirit of God. You are right, you don't have to answer. Merry Christtmas to you and family.
---Mark_V. on 12/24/12


HEAVEN: Mat 4:17, Mat 5:3, Mat 5:10, Mat 5:12, Mat 5:16, Mat 5:18, Mat 5:19, Mat 5:20, Mat 5:34, Mat 5:45, Mat 6:1, Mat 6:9, Mat 6:10, Mat 6:20, Mat 7:11, Mat 7:21, Mat 8:11, Mat 10:7, Mat 10:32, Mat 10:33, Mat 11:11, Mat 11:12, Mat 11:23, Mat 11:25, Mat 12:50 ,Mat 13:11, Mat 13:24, Mat 13:31, Mat 13:33, Mat 13:44, Mat 13:45, Mat 13:47, Mat 13:52, Mat 14:19, Mat 16:1, Mat 16:17, Mat 16:19, Mat 18:1, Mat , 8:3, Mat 18:4, Mat 18:10, Mat 18:14, Mat 18:18, Mat 18:19, Mat 18:23, Mat 19:12, Mat 19:14, Mat , 9:21, Mat 19:23, Mat 20:1, Mat 21:25, Mat 22:2, Mat 22:30, Mat 23:9, Mat 23:13, Mat 23:22, Mat 24:29, Mat 24:30, Mat 24:31, Mat 24:35, Mat 24:36, Mat 25:1, Mat 26:64, Mat 28:2, Mat 28:18

Hell next post...Heaven took up too much space.
---aka on 12/23/12


---Mark_V. on 12/23/12

mark, you make a statement and are challenged and then you make "poor, forlorn me" statements instead of doing what you told me.

nevertheless...

In Matthew:

I counted a little over sixty times Jesus mentions Heaven (using average of KJV and ESV and i did not use euphemisms like kingdom of God, etc.)

that's just in Matthew.

i counted 15 times that Jesus mentioned hell in the four gospels (gave you esv...it has more than kjv).

is there another word in english that jesus uses for hell?

again. i am sorry you are so persecuted.
---aka on 12/23/12


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MarkV,
You said: "You claimed celebrating the coming Messiah was a sin." That is a lie, i never said that. You twist what i say and say i said things i never said. You are using techniques of the dialectic on me. i will never come to a consensus with you because you are showing yourself to be subtle and unreasonable. I knock the dust off my feet. All i ever did on this site was back the things i said with scripture.
Whether or not the blind can see the truths i've given is entirely up to God. I have fulfilled the commission Almighty Yahweh gave to me in exposing the techniques and lies of you, Cluny, Cathr and others and exposed the apostacy that is in all the churches.
This is my last blog to you. May THE LORD REBUKE YOU.
---jmarc on 12/23/12


Aka, Just talking that someone is wrong without any scripture to show it's not true, is just talk to condemn me at the expense of the Truth.
Why don't you study or copy down a concordance, write down every passage, count them, then put them down so everyone will really know you just didn't just talk but were telling the Truth that I lied. I didn't think I had to put every passage down so that everyone can count them and believe me, space does not allow me to put every passage down, and even if I put every passage down, you and my usual opposers would still whin and complain, that is why you pop-up every now and then like the others throwing stones. Most opposers are free willer's who speak for man and not for the glory of God.
---Mark_V. on 12/23/12


//the very Words of Christ, who spoke more of hell then He did of heaven.//

these are one of those phrases that circulate in christian circles that are just not true but sound good when making baseless arguments to those who are ticklish behind the ears.

another...

'God hates divorce."

you will not find that in scripture, but you will find that the Lord did divorce Israel.
---aka on 12/23/12


J. Marc, I am stun by what you said. I gave you more credit then that. You are upset because I disagreed with one issue with you. You claimed celebrating the coming Messiah was a sin. You never showed one passage at least where it is a sin. I left you peace there and moved on, but that was not good enough for you.
If you believe it is a sin, and your conscience tells you it is sin, then do not celebrate the birth of the Messiah. I do not want you to go against your conscience. But you want me to go against Mine. Ok, I will list you as hostile with the rest of those who not only call names, but supress the Truth. My opinion does not count as Truth, only the Truth I give you from Scripture is Truth. Thank you for making yourself clear.
---Mark_V. on 12/22/12


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MarkV,

It's time you man up and admit you're wrong: Jesus spoke [way!] more about heaven than hell.

BTW, grab a Strong's Concordance and look at the entries for hell and heaven for the WHOLE of the Bible: the disparity is enormous. Hell is mentioned a few dozen times, while heaven multiple hundreds. A similar ratio comes from Jesus' mouth.

Apologies MarkV, maybe it's the case you can't count past 10 and that's why you can't see the difference in a concordance.

My apologies again: you don't even want to look in case you're wrong. But you don't have to look because God's prophets are never wrong and so why bother to look because you're always right.
---Marc on 12/21/12




Mark V,
i know what you are doing,i can see that we will never come to a CONSENSUS !

My opinion does not matter, The real God's [YA'S] matters!

Almighty Yahwah,MAY MY PEACE RETURN BACK TO ME! In the name of Yashua, Amen

YOUR answer is in the passages!
Rom.5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Eph.5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. YOU!
---jmarc on 12/21/12


Markv you said
//the very Words of Christ, who spoke more of hell then He did of heaven.//

You might want to take your shoes off and count again
---michael_e on 12/21/12


Marc, well thank you for your kind words towards me. Here is my response to you. Jesus told His disciples ,
"Now whatever city or town you enter, inquire who in it is worthy, and stay there till you go out. And when you go into the household greet it. If the household is worthy let your peace come upon it. "But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you." (Matt. 10:11-13). Then He said to them:
"And whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet" (v.14). I dust off my feet, and second, I take my peace with me.
I'm glad you learned something today from the Word of God.
---Mark_V. on 12/21/12


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Note: the words of a humble man: "I do not have to look at concordances to know...I ask you to proof[sic.] I am wrong...I don't have to proof[sic.] nothing[sic.] to you...It does not effect[sic.] me. God is my witness."

MarkV, the prophet, God's rep on earth, in whom no man can find error, upon whom there is no expectation to prove his ways. Why? Because, in his words, God is his witness.

Well, I just can't argue with that, can I. I'll just have to accept it.
---Marc on 12/20/12


Marc, you can speak to me if you want. I do not have to look at concordances to know what I posted. All I have to do is read all the passages that Jesus Christ spoke in the context that He spoke them. To put them all down is a piece of work that space does not allow that is why I ask you to proof I am wrong, to see if you could put everything down you copy from the concordances. I have read the answers many have already. And I agree with many and disagree with many. If you don't want to believe there is more passages on hell then heaven, just don't. You have that right. I don't have to proof nothing to you. Believe it or not. Call me what is in your heart. It does not effect me. God is my witness.
---Mark_V. on 12/19/12


MarkV,

1. Claims, without evidence, that Jesus mentioned hell more than heaven.

2. After looking in a concordance I note the opposite and tell him so.

3. I tell Mark his assertion does not stand up to actual investigation and suggest he go and actually look at a concordance and correct his statement.

4. Mark says he doen't have to check in a concordance because he's right and that I have to prove him wrong.

5. I claim Mark lacks humility.

6. Mark insists it's up me to prove him wrong.

7. Are you that blockheaded or are you even more arrogant than originally thought?
---Marc on 12/19/12


Marc 2: I want to correct what you called me, you did not call me ignorant but arrogant. To that I say, call me whatsoever you desire. What comes out of the mouth is what is in the heart. So call me what you want, for God knows what you are thinking and what you are going to say already,
"For I know the things that come into your mind, every one of them" (Eze. 11:5) You cannot hide from Him Marc.
"The eyes of the Lord are in every place, beholding the evil and the good" (Prov. 15:3).
---Mark_V. on 12/19/12


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Marc, you are an angry person. You accuse me of being wrong. So I ask you to show me. You cannot, and so you call me ignorant. You don't have to believe one word I put down. Or that Jesus spoke more of hell then heaven. In fact you don't have to believe there is a hell and a heaven. No one is forcing you. In fact you don't even have to answer. It is all your choice. But whatever you do God already knows you are going to do it. For God says,

"For I know the things that come into your mind, everyone of them" (Ezek. 11:5) You can call me whatever you want, but you cannot hide from God.
---Mark_V. on 12/19/12


MarkV,

You arrogant man. You declared that Jesus mentioned hell more than heaven. You made this without any proof. I said you're wrong because any concordance will list the number of verses and it's clear Jesus uses heaven far more times than hell. Then you said I must prove my contention. You expect people to accept your words without proof. That's the sign of a heart devoid of humility. Then you brag that you know the truth because you supposedly study the Bible through the night. And we're supposed to accept this as evidence for whatever you say.

Man, no wonder one of your sons doesn't know God exists. With a father like you who would!
---Marc on 12/18/12


//---joseph on 11/18/12//
Nicely stated joseph :)

1).
Heaven: Rest/Peace/Shabbot

Isaiah 55 (all)
7 "Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the Lord, and He will have mercy upon him, and to our God, for He will abundantly pardon."

8 "For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways," saith the Lord."

9 "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts."

continued'
---char on 12/18/12


Marc, you say I am wrong, then proof it by giving the passages. Don't just say I am wrong because you looked at one concordance, or one person on the eternet who opposes more hell then heaven. I had already looked at the opposition myself online. So show me from Scripture.
You said,
"The fact is that you are wrong but are so full of pride that you won't admit your error, believing that you, as God's prophet can't be wrong. We normal believers know we can be wrong. You apparently don't"
I don't even believe in prophets for today. I'm a sinner saved by Grace. And I can be wrong, for all come short of the glory of God. I have been corrected five times, where I was wrong. The reason I study every morning from 1am to 6am.
---Mark_V. on 12/18/12


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Markv.

The problem is that any concordance shows Jesus mentioning heaven more times than hell. You claim that it's my opinion. The fact is that you are wrong but are so full of pride that you won't admit your error, believing that you, as God's prophet can't be wrong. We normal believers know we can be wrong. You apparently don't.
---MARC on 12/17/12


All we know for sure is what the Bible tells us & that's way too little for my liking:-) Wish it told us more. But I do know that it will be a place of perfect peace & joyful, happiness. Never any tears of sadness or sorrow. No guilt or pain of any kind. No heartaches/no grief. It will be more beautiful than any human can dream of. Even someone as creative as the Walt Disney team!!:-) And, last but not least, God's promised each of His children a Mansion. He didn't say a home, He said A MANSION!! Now, if God considers it a mansion, rest assured it will be more grand than this world has ever seen!!!:-)YAY!! & a big, YIPPIE!:-)
---Reba on 12/17/12


Marc, your words can never hurt me. all they do is expose who you are, and what drives you inside. You are welcome to believe there is more passages for heaven then hell if you want. Tt changes nothing. I will not spend the time to write everything down for you just to make you feel good you made me. I will take my peace with me, for you are not worthy to hear the Truth.
---Mark_V. on 12/17/12


So, Markv won't admit his error about his [false] statement that Jesus spoke more about hell than heaven.

So Markv gets the little things wrong, won't admit his error, takes his [prophetic] bat and ball and goes home, but then expects everyone to believe he has the big picture of God correct.

Sounds like you want to start your own little cult off.
---Marc on 12/16/12


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Marc, I cannot give you understanding, that is the work of God. I am not God nor a prophet. I have no powers to change your heart. No power to make you see or hear spiritual matters. No power to make you alive. God is the only One who can.
Any answer I give you is wrong to you. It is like talking to a wall. I don't want to talk to a wall. At least not today. I will take my peace with me.
---Mark_V. on 12/16/12


Markv,

Aren't you going to admit your mistake about how many times Jesus mentions heaven vis-a-vis hell?

I'm waiting for a public correction. Or do you believe as God's annointed prophet that you can't be wrong?
---marc on 12/16/12


Phil, in (Heb. 9:27) the writer says the priest entered the Holy Place year after year to do the sacrifice over and over, but Jesus put away sin with only one sacrifice, Himself.
"And as it is appointed for men to die once and after this the judgment", refers to physical death. Once he is dead there is no second chances. The second death is a spiritual separation from the blessings of God and torment in hell.
"the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever and they have no rest day and night" (Rev. 14:11)
"This is the second death, the lake of fire' (Rev. 20:14).
If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire" (Rev. 20:15).
---Mark_V. on 12/16/12


---Mark_V. on 12/15/12

As you wish. I could break the parable down for you, but that would require something from you that you do not retain in this instance.

Hebrews 9:27 refers to the death of the high priests in Israel, not all mankind. The "once" does not mean once for all. Many men will die twice (Rev.20:14).

The unbeliever is born, sins, dies, is roused at the great white throne and judged, dies again, and is vivified and saved and reconciled with God at the consummation.
If men only die once, then what is the second death? Hb 9:27 is in reference to the chief priests of verse 25.
---Phil on 12/15/12


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Phil, you said:

"The rich man and Lazarus is a parable of Israel's present torment."
Sorry but it has nothing whatsoever to do with Israel. But you are right, Israel that rejected Christ are in torment and will remain there until the sentence, "for it is appointed for man to die once and then the judgment"
Then you said,

"No one will go to "hell" because he is rich, nor to Abraham's bosom because he is poor"
That is true. Jesus parable did not say every rich person would go to hell and every poor person would go to heaven.
Jesus employs the parable in the same fasion as all His parables, to teach a lesson, in thise case for the benefit of the Pharisees.
---Mark_V. on 12/15/12


---Mark_V. on 12/14/12

I applaud you. You have not deflected or deviated from pursuing truth in this matter. You have garnered my humble respect.

Gehenna will again become active when the Lord returns. It will be where the dead bodies of the criminals and unfaithful Jews are thoroughly destroyed by fire, to eliminate the spread of disease.

The maggots and worms will have a feast, as many will end up there, refusing to swear allegiance to the Son of Mankind during the Lord's Day and the thousand year reign.
---Phil on 12/14/12


---Mark_V. on 12/14/12

The rich man and Lazarus is a parable of Israel's present torment.

No one will go to "hell" because he is rich, nor to Abraham's bosom because he is poor.

Either accept the whole literally or all of it figuratively.

"Abraham's bosom" came from oral tradition, which Jesus outright condemned. Oral tradition destroyed the power of God, and this parable was used against them.

It is not God's revelation of a place of punishment, nor what occurs at death.

It is a one of five parables. If it was literal, it would not be a parable.
---Phil on 12/14/12


Phil 2: the definitions of words,
Sheol" a hebrew term discribing the grave or death, doesn't refer to hell specifically.
"Hades" a greek term that usually refers to hell, a place of torment (Luke 10:15: 16:23 etc).
"Gehenna a greek term borrowed from a literal burning dump near Jerusalem that always refers to hell, a place of torment (Matt. 5:30: 23:33).
"Lake of fire" the final abode of unbelievers after they are resurrected (Rev. 20:14,15)
"furnace of fire" weeping and gnashing of teeth, discribing hell (Matt. 13:50)
"where the worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched" refers to hell (Mark 9:40)
---Mark_V. on 12/14/12


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Mark V reckons Jesus "spoke of hell more then heaven".

Yes, you'd really like it like that. However, it's not true. In Matthew alone Jesus speaks of heaven at least 40 times while hell is a mere 4 or 5.

Care to explain what you reckon Jesus said and what he really did say?
---Marc on 12/14/12


Phil, your still suggesting the images and symbols Jesus gave were not true. That He didn't mean what He said, because there is no hell.
Here are some images or symbols,
"It it better for you to enter into life mained, rather than having two hands, then to go to hell into the fire that shall never be quenched where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched" (Mark 9:43) the same is said of (v. 45,46,47)
How about,
"Then he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am tormented in this flame." Luke 16:24). Looks like symbols and images of hell, as they did for those who heard Jesus.
---Mark_V. on 12/14/12


Phil, you never answer any questions. Are you suggesting Jesus was also a hypocrite? He spoke of hell more then heaven. --Mark_V. on 12/12/12

This thought has never entered my mind. I wonder how it may have entered yours.

I have supplied you with the correct renderings. haides G86 sheol H7585 and Tartarus G5020, are distinct nouns. They cannot be translated by one English word. The KJV retains this error, and subsequently causes others to fail to distinguish these different nouns.

I am not able to aid you beyond supplying the facts. You must investigate on your own in order to be satisfied.

However, it is risky. Finding truth on one's own can lead to trusting in God and not men.
---Phil on 12/12/12


Phil, you never answer any questions. Are you suggesting Jesus was also a hypocrite? He spoke of hell more then heaven. He used images and symbols to bring His point across. Do you know the function of symbols? You might think symbols are ok. If these images are indeed symbols, then we must conclude that the reality is worse than the symbol suggest. Let me help you:
"The function of symbols is to point beyond themselves to a higher or more intense state of actuality than the symbol itself can contain." And Jesus used the most awful symbols imaginable to describe hell.
Do you have the guts to contradict Jesus Christ words and tell us He was wrong? He didn't mean what He said. He was only joking to scare people?
---Mark_V. on 12/12/12


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Gal.2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live, yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

What is Hell like?
Look at where it ends up!

Revelation 20:14-15 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
---j_Marc on 12/12/12


The only thing that defies logic and divine reasoning is tradition and creedalism.

Laws of grammar are constant. They follow natural principles, starting from the time Adam gave names to all the animals. He did not call a goat a dog, nor did he say a bird was a lion.

Haides is Haides, not hell.
Sheol is Sheol, not hell.
Tartarus is Tartarus, not hell.
Gehenna is Gehenna, not hell.

Black is not white, green is not red, and grammatical law does not change.

Usage determines meaning, but the primary meanings remain the same.

As said before, creeds and traditions destroyed the Lord of Glory. And the religionist will never yield til Christ is crucified.
---Phil on 12/11/12


"What is Hell like?"

Look at the origins of the word!
SHEOL: Heb, grave, hell, pit.

HADES: Greek, grave, hell.

TATARUS: Greek, cast down to hell. Greek,

GEHENNAH: Greek, hell fire.

Look at where it ends up!

Revelation 20:14-15 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
---j_Marc on 12/11/12


Phil 2: Then you say,

"They do not believe. They are deceived and think themselves "special" above others, who do not believe the lie."
We are special, God had mercy on us believers. We are also special because we are His children now, adopted into His family. His promises are for "us" believers.

Then you say,
"He is the Savior of all men. That is the truth." He is the Savior because He saves us from hell. Otherwise save us from what? The rest stand before God for sentencing to hell.
---Mark_V. on 12/11/12


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Phil, I am not seeking support for anything. I am just writting the Truth. You call us hypocrites, but you forget by calling us hypocrites you are calling Jesus a hypocrite. Matthew 13:50, Jesus parable tells us,
"So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from the just, and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth"
And Mark 9:48) says, "Where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.
Revelation 14:10) says, "He will be tormented with fire and brimstone"
Rev. 14:11) says, "The smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever and they have no rest day and night"
---Mark_V. on 12/11/12


Few like Phil and others, refuse to except it as real.
---Mark_V. on 12/5/12

There is no need to drop names in seeking support for the insanity of the eternal torment doctrine. It is opposed to God's word, it is opposed to His nature, and it is only the most depraved heart that truly believes it.

I suggest that those who claim belief in eternal torment are either deceived or hypocrites.

If they really, truly believed, they would be out in the streets proclaiming the crisis, driven by compassion and love.

They do not believe. They are deceived and think themselves "special" above others, who do not believe the lie.

He is the Saviour of all men. That is the truth.
---Phil on 12/10/12


Pat, while the word "hell" is many times interpreted to mean lake of fire. There is no biblical concept more grim that it brings opposers, than the idea of hell. Few like Phil and others, refuse to except it as real. But almost all of the biblical teaching of hell come from the very Words of Christ, who spoke more of hell then He did of heaven. People want to sidestep the very words of Christ. They say, 'everlasting" is not everlasting. Or those words are not found in the Bible. Without hell there is no need for a Savior. Without hell there is no need for salvation, without salvation there is no need for a sacrifice. Furthermore, the concept of choice demands that we believe in hell. Without hell there is no choice.
---Mark_V. on 12/5/12


Heaven and "hell" are never contrasted in the New Testament Scriptures. Often have I heard them mentioned as being connected as an either/or deal. God never used them in this manner.

Both are imperceptible to human senses.

"Hell" is a mistranslation. It is used for sheol, Gehenna, haides, Tartarus, and the lake of fire. There is no scriptural support for the false teaching of everlasting torment.

Heaven is the abode of the Deity and spiritual beings. We will be transformed when we meet Him in clouds to inhabit heaven.

No one has been there, John saw the second heaven, Paul was raptured to the third heaven, wherein God is All in all, and revealed it to us.
---Phil on 12/2/12


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heaven upgraded? John 14. Let not your heart be troubled, ye believe in God believe also in Me. In my Fathers house are many mansions. I go to prepare a place for you and If I go to prepare a place for you I will come again and receive you unto myself that where I am there ye may be also. (kjv)
bible says our finite minds can't comprehend what heaven will be like.
---shira4368 on 12/2/12


I belive Heaven might have been upgraded,
---Ojeka on 11/30/12


The tendency to see heaven as separate spheres is common.

Heaven and earth are connected.

We are part of the first. 2Pt 3:5 It is presently under demonic influence.

John the Revelator was allowed to see the second. Re 21:1 Our rulership and reign with Christ takes place there.

God took Paul to the Consummation of all, where the third heaven is revealed [2C 12:2].

God will indwell all humanity at that time, His Son having reconciled the universe 1C 15:28

Unlike John, he was not allowed to speak about it beyond its certain arrival 2C 12:4.
---Phil on 11/24/12


Yep, Phil, the greatest of these is love, indeed. And both brothers excelled in love and the one who just died a little over a year ago really showed it when I was diagnosed with cancer. He was awesome! :)
---Mary on 11/24/12


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3 heavens mentioned in scripture, third heaven is where the Father's throne is, with Lord Jesus sitting at his right hand. No man has ever ascended to Gods throne, and no man ever will.

Hell is the grave. bodies placed in casket then into hole in ground and covered with dirt that is called hell. Hell would then be a body in the ground decaying because without life (blood) body will eventually turn to dust.

There are no verses to support people going to heaven. All of the verses that pertain to the return of the Lord Jesus on earth describe him returning and bringing his reward to his faithful servants with him. Heaven is never described as a reward or a place where any living person past present or future will ever be.
---Follower_of_Christ on 11/24/12


Heaven is anyplace where everyone shows kindness to everyone else, and no one is afraid.
---love.wins on 11/23/12


I don't claim to know what Heaven is like but all I know is it will be "Heaven" to hug and kiss my two big brothers again!
---Mary on 11/23/12

"Yet now are remaining faith, expectation, love--these three. Yet the greatest of these is love." 1C 13:13
---Phil on 11/23/12


I don't claim to know what Heaven is like but all I know is it will be "Heaven" to hug and kiss my two big brothers again!
---Mary on 11/23/12


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Had He not given us the earnest of the Spirit, we would "see" nothing of the things of heaven. Heaven is not perceptible to us, until we are given the "eyes" to see. Heaven is spiritually discerned, and the human senses, for now, are not capable of "seeing" heaven, or know what it is like. It is the abode of God.

However, His creation was meant to mimic heavenly things, and mirror its glories.

With death and corruption reigning over mortals, heaven remains unperceived. When Christ has reconciled all things, both heaven and earth will show forth the glory of God.
---Phil on 11/23/12


Isaiah 64:4 For since the beginning of the world [men] have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside thee, [what] he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him.

1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

the closest we can come to is
1: the taste of rich chocolate 2: A ride in a Cadillac CTS V six speed manual,3: I would like to say the love of a good women, but people get old and droopy
---francis on 11/22/12


Man, if he lived to be a billion years old, could never ever conceive what heaven is truly like. The same for hell. Sure, the bible tries to describe both places in earthly terms, but could never decribe it in spiritual terms.
---Steveng on 11/22/12


What is Heaven, like? What is Hell like?
---pat on 11/17/12
1: Box of chocolates

2: bag of peanuts
---francis on 11/21/12


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Correction to precious post. This line should read "toils through life due to the dictates and passions of [the] sensual.
As a postscript I also define Heaven as the channel through which Divine inspiration flows onto our earth, and hell as a blatant refusal to embrace and act upon that inspirational flow. Our earth being define here as the ground within us that receives that Divine inspiration. "For as the rain comes down,.. from heaven, And does not return there, but waters the earth, and makes it bring forth and bud, That it may give seed to the sower And bread to the eater, So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth, It shall not return to Me void.. " Isa 55:10 All men receive it, however not all men grow thereby.
---joseph on 11/18/12


"Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us." (Romans 5:5) So, the Holy Spirit is sharing God's own love with us, right "in our hearts" now. The Holy Spirit is Heaven's Spirit of Heaven's love. In this love, we now experience how Heaven is, by how this love has us loving with God and people, in our Father's family love.

Hell is like "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience" (in Ephesians 2:2). This evil spirit of Satan's filth is on its way to the flaming sewer which burns with fire and brimstone. This is found in unloving things like unforgiveness, lusts, frustration, self-righteous anger, and conceit.
---willie_c: on 11/18/12


"What is Heaven, like?" Righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit as ones mind is elevated above the sensual, taken to a higher level of spiritual awareness, and endued with power from on high as one finds rest in the abiding presence and salvation of the Lord Jesus, The Christ.
"What is Hell like?" Unrighteousness that leads to mental, emotional, and physical torment and anguish apart from comfort of the Holy Spirit as one toils through life due to the dictates and passions of sensual. It is a lack of rest due to the bondage of the carnality of ones thinking, and a perceived dependence upon ones self or, any other man.
---joseph on 11/17/12


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