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Why do so many get angry, to the point of calling you names, and saying bad things about you just because we say salvation is in the hands of God, not in the hands of man?

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 ---Mark_V. on 11/24/12
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Mark, Paul didnt even believe what you do.

"For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them"---Romans 11:13,14
---LindaH on 12/2/12


"To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some."--- 1 Cor 9:22

"And of some have compassion, making a difference: And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment spotted by the flesh."--Jude 1:22,23

Just like I said. You hold a perverse doctrine that tickles your ears with exactly what you WANT to hear. That God loves you more than he did someone else. That is selfish thinking and as you know Christ was selfLESS. How can one who only thinks of themselves and their own well-being call themselves a CHRISTian?
---LindaH on 12/2/12


Why is it yet not clear?

God gave Adam a command, he didnt keep it.
God gave the Jews commandments, they didnt keep it.
Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law?

Christ simplifies the law, to an understanding!
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them:
For this is the law and the prophets.

Paul reminds you!
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Listen, the law is Holy, and the commandment holy!
Maybe you guys think Christ was kidding, when he said there is none good.

Well at lease I try!
Well then, worship him in spirit and truth!
Peace!
---TheSeg on 12/1/12


Linda, you give a good example of what I am talking about with your answer to me. Here you say,

"As is in your case, many caring people have tried to help you escape the perserve doctrine you preach. When it becomes evident that their attempts to save you are met with hostility, that concern for you can quickly turn to frustration."

Why do you not understand? Here again you make a statement of free will. You say "their attempts to save you are met with hostility"
Man cannot save anyone, nether can he save himself. It is all the work of God. But your mindset is already on man. Why don't you get it? ask yourself that question.
---Mark_V. on 12/2/12


//Many who believe/know God Exist--understand---
Without God there is no salvation.//
and
Without Him no one would even exist.

We must use discernment here and be careful to not bear False Witness.

Praise God He knows the Heart... to Him be the judge.

Col 1:17 "And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist."
---char on 12/1/12




"Nana, first of all I wasn't addressing your particular issue."
trey on 12/1/12

Addressing Luke 11:42 concerned TheSeg on 11/27/12.

Mark_V. started name calling, "Nana, your one who gets upset many times, the reason you jump out every so often."

You butt in here meddling and exalting Mark_V and yourself. Nobody was addressing any 'particular' issues of yours.
The two of you are just two little frustrated meddling old ladies who got nothing better to do. There, now I have just returned the favor you both made me:

"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."
Grow up and get a life, Jelly Bean.
---Nana on 12/1/12


Just because you don't agree with MarkV and have minimal scriptural understanding doesn't give you the right to go around attacking other who do.
---trey on 11/30/12

This statement is very presumptuous. The World according to who?

trey, you are losing your own credibility here just by making these same idiotic comments based on your own personal opinion.

I believe MarkV and you are just as guilty of attacking others who disagree with you.

My goodness, please take that log out of your own eye.
---kathr4453 on 12/1/12


Nana, first of all I wasn't addressing your particular issue.

The point I am trying to make, is that it appears from the outside that it is not uncommon when we disagree on doctrine for insults to follow shortly after.

Shouldn't we act like Christ. I do not recall Christ ever calling one of his followers an idiot. Is this what he meant by:

Mt22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
---trey on 12/1/12


MarkV, anger can be righteous at times. The word fool (our "idiot") is used many times in scripture. Sometimes men need to hear just how far away from the truth they have fallen by using such words.

As is in your case, many caring people have tried to help you escape the perserve doctrine you preach. When it becomes evident that their attempts to save you are met with hostility, that concern for you can quickly turn to frustration.

Then we must ask ourselves "Are you a victim of heresy or the cause of it?" Your arrogance suggests you will never turn away from these views and that makes you a source of it. That is why you are followed in these blogs. That is why you are called a fool.
---LindaH on 12/1/12


Hello,bro.Mark the only requirement for salvation is to believe in JESUS who died as a sustituto ( in as substitute) he died in our stead No somos suficientemente bueno para merecer la salvacion de Dios.In english We are. Not good enough to deserve of the salvation of God.Jn1:12,3:36,5:11-13,5:24,Ti.3:5a Ep.2:8-9.
God bless you & your wife. ELENA
---ELENA on 12/1/12




On 11/27/12 I stated my understanding of Luke 11:42. Do you see any insults, anger or disrespect there?

Now, right out the bat Mark_V. on 11/28/12 says to me, "Nana, your one who gets upset many times, the reason you jump out every so often. I know your not RCC, for you've said that, but you follow their teachings of merits." And again, "Here you see that the topic is about salvation and how God has saved us, and when you are told you jump against the question because you are one of those who gets mad, the same with Nana and many others." 11/29/12

Is that what you call the high road trey?

FYI, I agree with francis and kathr4453 here.
---Nana on 12/1/12


Just because you don't agree with MarkV and have minimal scriptural understanding doesn't give you the right to go around attacking other who do.
---trey on 11/30/12

Have you been any ny blog and seen anyone get angry and call anyone names for saying that salvation is in the hands of God?

If not, then you have to acknowledge that only an IDIOT would complain about a non existing issue

Help the idiot out and point out to him that this has never happened
---francis on 12/1/12


Bro. Trey, thank you. You are a brother indeed. Don't worry, I'm not afraid when speaking about Almighty God.
I know two reasons why they get angry, and call you names, because they have believed a lie for so long they are not willing to give it up. Which only tells us there is still emnity against God. Second, because they want to have something to do with their salvation. And when told salvation from start to finish is all of God, that really bothers them, so they give you all the passages where man does works or as francis does, gives you all the laws given to Israel, and if you don't do them you are not saved.
I posted the blog to hear more reasons, and from more of those who oppose God choosing those who will be saved. Peace brother
---Mark_V. on 12/1/12


I've read the question here over and over, and see the question itself is idiotic. Now when a question is idiotic, the person asking the question is what?

1. Not too bright
2. Has difficulty in contructing intelligent questions
3. Projecting one's fractured personality onto others, and then wants to phycho-analyze them calling them names we've seen here over and over.
4. an idiot
5. ALL of the above
6. None of the above

Test score:

If you answer yes to any one of 1-5 you have an IQ of 100 or above

If you answer yes to NO. 6 you are an idiot...that is one who's IQ is below 100. WAY below 100.
---kathr4453 on 12/1/12


trey, I don't need a chill pill. and I did answer the question. It is not a valid question, because no one here has called anyone names and gotten mad that JESUS SAVES.

But I do see people being provoked to anger, not because Jesus Saves either.

So again, maybe just dealing with idiots over and over and over hashing over and over and over the same ol same ol same ol calvin vs arminian nonsense is for IDIOTS to begin with.
---kathr4453 on 11/30/12


you will know that someone is angry when they say that they are angry.

I am sitting here laughing calling mark_V an idiot, yet he thinks that I am angry
---francis on 11/30/12


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MarkV, may I just say, "Thank you for taking the high road and not stooping to francis's level of name calling."

francis, and Kathr, I wish you guys would take a chill pill and quit attacking people and simply answer the question posted. Just because you don't agree with MarkV and have minimal scriptural understanding doesn't give you the right to go around attacking other who do.

Merry Christmas, and hugs and kisses.
---trey on 11/30/12


But your reaction to the blog question really got to you, to the point of calling me a idiot.
---Mark_V. on 11/30/12

I call you an idiot all the time, becaus eyou are. Nothing new

Stop being and idiot, you cannot tell if someone is angry by what they post.

And no one has ever called anyone names or gotten angry when the other person says that salation is in the hands of God. If you believe that this has taken place then stop acting as an idiot and post it
---francis on 11/30/12


Mat_7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Mat_7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

Mat_10:25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?

Mat_12:29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.

Joh_15:12!
Peace
---TheSeg on 11/30/12


I believe francis has a valid point and question.

No one has ever gotten mad and called anyone names based on Salvation being the Gift of Jesus Christ to lost sinners.

I believe everyone here knows Jesus died for our sin. The greatest Gift God can extend to man.

francis, you and all should know by now some of certain peoples questions are for no other reason than to start fights and name calling.
---kathr4453 on 11/30/12


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francis, I'm neither a stupid person or am I mentally retarded. Nor did I put the title to my question. I don't believe whoever did from CN is retarded or stupid either for putting it.
But your reaction to the blog question really got to you, to the point of calling me a idiot. You just showed what I was talking about when it comes to questions concerning God saving man, and how others get angry. You do not see yourself as others see you. But thanks for making my point very clear with your answers.
---Mark_V. on 11/30/12


francis, you got angry as many do when they are told that salvation is in the Hands of God.
---Mark_V. on 11/30/12

Stop being a big fat idiot
Just post the section where anyone said that salvation is in the hands of God and someone elso got angry got angry

Here is the challenge for an idiot like you

how can you possibly pove that someone si angry without seeing them?
before you make an idiot of yourself again, remember anger is an emotion,
---francis on 11/30/12


---trey on 11/29/12
1: The honest type of christian, the one who tells the truth

2: Mark_V is an idiot. I did not invent the word idiot, I simply applied it for two reason. A: I am qualified to do so,. B: It applies to mark_V

3: Anyone who thinks that the blog topic and blog question are the same, MAY be an idiot also

4: MarK_V has not shown one single incident where "many get angry, to the point of calling you names, and saying bad things about you just because we say salvation is in the hands of God, not in the hands of man" but he makes the accusation

Proverbs 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit
Stop being nice, and be honest
---francis on 11/30/12


francis, you got angry as many do when they are told that salvation is in the Hands of God. Passages are given, a lot of stabs are thrown, even the devil is thrown at us, even called a idiot, but no answer as to why it is so bad for God to do the choosing. He is God after all. And He does say:
"He doeth according to His will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay His hand" (Dan. 4:35).
Yet the opposers say, 'not true'. Man with his free will has power over Almighty God. They can do what they want and God has no hold on them. They are autonomus, a law unto themselves. When told God chose them, they call you arrogant or an idiot.
---Mark_V. on 11/30/12


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1 John 2:5
But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

John 17:23
I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.


John 17:20
20 Neither pray I for these alone,( the Apostles) but for them also which shall believe on me through their word,

Let's preach so that others too can believe on Jesus through our word.
---kathr4453 on 11/30/12


//---kathr4453 on 11/29/12//

Amen.

Blessings...
:)
---char on 11/29/12


Correct when we love we do by nature what the law says. We do not steal, lie, murder, covet and commit adultery. Love causes to go above and over the letter of the law to the Sprit of the law.

The law is not done away with by love it is made part of who we are. All the Ten Commandments are about love to GOD and to others. Which is why they are still in effect because GOD is love.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/29/12


francis, what kind of a Christian like response is that when you call MarkV an idiot? I believe you just proved his point.
---trey on 11/29/12


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Without God there is no salvation.
---char on 11/29/12

Absolutely, the WORD was made felsh, our sin was laid upon Jesus who took our Judgement died in our place so that we can have eternal life through Him.

Very simple, who so ever believes.

How can anyone claim to be the pefect sacrifice to die for theri own sin.

---kathr4453 on 11/29/12


francis, you are an example of the people I was talking about. Here you see that the topic is about salvation and how God has saved us,
---Mark_V. on 11/29/12

No it's not you idiot. It is about why many people get angry and call you names
---francis on 11/29/12


Without (lumping anyone/everyone) and bearing false witness,

Many who believe/know God Exist--understand---
Without God there is no salvation.
---char on 11/29/12


The law was very clear, was it not?
So if we are not to alter the conditions to the command!
Then why did Christ teach, the conditions to this command, should be altered!

Peace Bro!
---TheSeg on 11/29/12

Well,
Christ is Lord, I am not. Yet of course Paul says, "Gal.5

"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.", yet Christ left command that whosoever follows him, that he loves as he loved. Why? Cause that's a pure and wholesome example. Stoning is abolished and not by me, right?
Peace to you too.
---Nana on 11/29/12


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If I was to take away a childs favorite toy, I had better be able to supply a reason that sits well with it, or else expect an outburst of rage or hostility.

Even saints are unable to reason from the Scriptures.

Revenge, name-calling, resentment, all those evils connected to ill-will come forth from the heart that is uncircumcised.

Followers of creedalism and traditions of men are the chief violators of all that is holy and good.

These are they which killed the Christ of God, and they are formed by God for His purposes [Ac 2:23].

1C 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
---Phil on 11/29/12


//J_Marc
Let's face it, if this blog had any merit neither of you would be talking about me.//
Wasn't talking about you just kindly! Anwsering --
Earlier you asked ->//I was hoping you would add more details to defriencate them// Abraham was saved & blessed!Genesis 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and MY LAWS. Laws of YA [God} were there before the law of Moses!Galations 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the WORKS of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
1st Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God. 10 commandments? YES!
---J_Marc on 11/29/12


We must not create alterations, additions and conditions to the command by ours or anybody's failures and shortcomings
Nana on 11/29/12

For if we try to follow the law, blindly!
We will fall in to the ditch.

Why do I say this?
Well Nana, take Joh_8:4, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act!

Joh_8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned:
But what sayest thou?

Joh_8:7, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

The law was very clear, was it not?
So if we are not to alter the conditions to the command!
Then why did Christ teach, the conditions to this command, should be altered!

Peace Bro!
---TheSeg on 11/29/12


-christan on 11/28/12
the blog question is:
"Why do so many get angry, to the point of calling you names, and saying bad things about you just because we say salvation is in the hands of God, not in the hands of man?"
The answers must start with: " Many people get angry ...."

If the question was about: "How to get saved." the answer would start like this:" to get saved...."

The moderator added the question " How to get saved." the blog writer asked the question: "Why do so many people get angry..."

And it is so boring, useless ad whiny, that no one can truly talk about it.
Why? because the blog question does not come close to matching the blog title.
---francis on 11/29/12


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francis, you are an example of the people I was talking about. Here you see that the topic is about salvation and how God has saved us, and when you are told you jump against the question because you are one of those who gets mad, the same with Nana and many others. Once you hear that it was God not your own merits, your humanism comes out, declaring there is still emnity against God. Instead of falling on your knees and thanking God for His mercy and grace for taking you out from the path you were in, condemned already, you do the opposite. Why? Because you want to be saved by your own merits, you think you are good enough to keep all of God's Laws. Just another declaration, you really do not need Christ, the reason you don't talk about Him.
---Mark_V. on 11/29/12


In all truth and honesty, you simply hate the idea that salvation of the sinner is 100% the work of God through election and 0% from the man.
---christan on 11/28/12


And this fight between Calvinists and Arminians have gone on now for hundreds of years. And it will continue to go on until the Lord comes.


But PRAISE GOD one does not have to be a Calvinist or Arminian and that calvinism or arminianism is not taught in scriptuire to begin with.

Even Calvinists force Kingdom LAW on you, having no idea what "GRACE" IS to begin with.

"GRACE" is the CROSS, not election or works of the Law!
---kathr4453 on 11/29/12


"And you do it so well, right nana.
You are keeping his commandment."
Jelly Bean

It makes no difference how 'well' I do or you do what God commands.
Luke 17:4 "And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent, thou shalt forgive him."

Just like there is heavenly looking and an earthly looking in the Love of God and the Love of Neighbor, we must not create alterations, additions and conditions to the command by ours or anybody's failures and shortcommings.
---Nana on 11/29/12


Luke 17:5 "And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith." That, we should not say. We should rather teach the command and that we

should always strive to fulfill it. Just as Paul said Heb.12:13 "And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of

the way, but let it rather be healed."

You see, mark and mindy teach daily of man's shortcommings and undermine God's command. For God say go, but they say 'they'll never get there',

Jesus said forgive thy brother if he repents, but they say that God must need give you faith for that. Should we believe mark and mindy or God?
Jelly Bean the 2nd
---Nana on 11/29/12


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"This is not about salvation, It is about name calling." francis

Saying that "salvation is in the hands of God, not in the hands of man" is not pertaining to salvation? Boy, you sure have a problem understanding about salvation as it is written in the Holy Bible.

In all truth and honesty, you simply hate the idea that salvation of the sinner is 100% the work of God through election and 0% from the man. That's why you utter, "It is called "how to get saved." It should be called "wheehn wheehn people are calling me names." What you speak is what you truly are.
---christan on 11/28/12


---e.lee7537 on 11/28/12

---J_Marc on 11/28/12

Let's face it, if this blog had any merit neither of you would be talking about me.

I am the only one with the to say this is a useless whiny blog
---francis on 11/28/12


Luk_10:29 But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?

//The Word of God is clear and not subject to private interpretation or diluting by man's shortcomings.
It says, "This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you."//

Mat_7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

And like he said in Luk_10:28, this do! And thou shalt live!
And you do it so well, right nana.
You are keeping his commandment.

See, I know! I fall short of the glory of God.
I know! I can't make it without him!
2Co_12:9!

But, that's me. Right!
Jelly Bean
---TheSeg on 11/28/12


Frances //It is called " how to get saved." It should be called "wheehn wheehn people are calling me names.

Christians with discernment can all too easy see that what you promote is from a cult.
If you were truly a born again Christian you would understnad because the Holy Spirit would give you understanding of the gospel message.
---e.lee7537 on 11/28/12


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"Nana, do you think you can actively love God?"
Jelly Bean

Luke 10:25_28 "And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind, and thy neighbour as thyself.
And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live."

The Word of God is clear and not subject to private interpretation or diluting by man's shortcomings.
It says, "This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you."
---Nana on 11/28/12


Your attitude toward the opic of SALVATION is prove of your love for the Truth. And how true when Christ warned:
---christan on 11/27/12

Why do so many get angry, to the point of calling you names, and saying bad things about you just because we say salvation is in the hands of God, not in the hands of man?

This is not about salvation, It is about name calling
---francis on 11/28/12


"wheehn wheehn people"?? Earlier you asked ->//I was hoping you would add more details to defriencate them// Abraham was saved & blessed!Genesis 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and MY LAWS. Laws of YA [God} were there before the law of Moses!Galations 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the WORKS of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
1st Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God. 10 commandments? YES!
---J_Marc on 11/28/12


If ye love them which love you, what reward have ye?
Do not even the publicans the same!

If ye love them which love you, what thank have ye?
For sinners also love those that love them.

If ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye?
For sinners also do even the same!

If ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye?
For sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.

But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again,
and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest:
for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
Peace
---TheSeg on 11/28/12


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Nana, do you think you can actively love God?
Now I know the first impulse of anyone, is to say yes.

But if you do not truly love your own brothers, who you clearly see, and talk too!
Clearly knowing they are in the same love of God, as you.
If you cant or dont show this actively.
Then, how can you say you love God?
True!

Now take a person who would spit in your face, much less talk to you.
How can you actively love this person? You know the truth is you cant!

Now does this mean you should not love that person?
You know you should, so now this is a passive love. Is it not?

Now, which love is greater?
Peace
---TheSeg on 11/28/12


Nana, your one who gets upset many times, the reason you jump out every so often. I know your not RCC, for you've said that, but you follow their teachings of merits. You don't understand the condition the lost are in? No hope. He is dead.
"That at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, "having no hope and without God in the world" But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ" (Eph. 2:12,13).
"you were brought near"
Without Christ there is no hope. Dead and helpless. His not drowning, his drowned. He is not on his last breath, he has no breath.
---Mark_V. on 11/28/12


But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." Matthew 12:35-37
---christan on 11/27/12


Well, here is an example of Kingdom LAW. Matthew is about Kingdom Law.

Let's take this verse and see that it is not salvation by GRACE. There is no mention here of Justification by His BLOOD or forgivness of sin. It's all judgement of WORKS.

That just an FYI to those who know and understand GRACE.

Which Judgement is this, the Judgement seat of Christ or the Great White Throne Judgement? Will the Body of Christ be judged at the Great White Throne Judgement?
---kathr4453 on 11/28/12


Mark 16 v 16, Acts 2 v 38 which Fulfills Matt. 28 v 19. Then he - she, Matt. 24 v 13.
To the Jewish people First on the day of Pentecost, then to Us gentiles which are the ones that are afar off.
---Lawrence on 11/28/12


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"But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone."

This verse, Luke 11:42, makes clear that the 'love of God' spoken here by 'these ought ye to have done' speaks clear that it is an act towards God. Therefore the verse states that this is meant, 'the love towards God' as oppossed to God's love toward the individual. In that then, it is active not passive and so James_L and others are way off in their assesments. Even "I have long said that humans don't even have the capacity to choose to believe something."
---Nana on 11/27/12


"It is called " how to get saved." It should be called "wheehn wheehn people are calling me names." francis

Your attitude toward the topic of SALVATION is prove of your love for the Truth. And how true when Christ warned:

"A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."
Matthew 12:35-37
---christan on 11/27/12


But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.

In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

francis, you make yourself very clear, right!
Peace
---TheSeg on 11/27/12


because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved///

Yes one must RECEIVE the Love of the Truth, that God so LOVED the world, that He gave His only Begotten Son, that WHO SO EVER believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.

For God did not send His Son into the World to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

No one can shed their own blood to forgive and cleanse their own sin. No ones words of righteousness can save them, only Faith in the One who can.
---kathr4453 on 11/27/12


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---StrongAxe on 11/26/12
yes I agree with you that this blog subject os boring

It is called " how to get saved." It should be called "wheehn wheehn people are calling me names."
---francis on 11/27/12


"Why do so many get angry, --saying bad things about you just because we say salvation is in the hands of God, not in the hands of man?"2nd Thessalonians 2:10b-13, because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
---J_Marc on 11/27/12


francis:

The bible records that those who reviled Jesus and John did so, but it doesn't praise them for doing so.
---StrongAxe on 11/26/12


The Seg,
your posts on 11/25 and 11/26 are spot on. Good stuff, brother.

God definitely is the One who initiates and makes our salvation complete.

I have long said that humans don't even have the capacity to choose to believe something.

As soil receives a seed, so a man receives the gospel.

Passive, not active.
---James_L on 11/26/12


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francis, don't get angry. We say salvation is in the Hands of God not man. We say, God who is rich in mercy, because of His great love for "us" made us alive together with Christ when we were dead in trespass. He indwelled us by His Spirit, baptized us into one body in Christ, made us His children, granted us faith to believe, He granted us repentance, He promise we will be glorified at the resurrection, and He promised us eternal life. All is done by Him, why do people get angry when they hear that God did it all? God chose them, why are they angry that God had mercy on them, if they are born of the Spirit?
If they are not born of God I can understand, but the one's answering are supposely believers chosen by God who are angry.
---Mark_V. on 11/27/12


---StrongAxe on 11/26/12
Maybe if I had included a few manes which the people hurled at Jesus it would make things better?

Matthew 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber,

Luke 7:33 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and ye say, He hath a devil

time honoured tradition?

What i would like to see , is the post where one called another names because one said Salvation is in the hands of God/ That post i wish to see
---francis on 11/26/12


francis:

You said: name calling is a time honour biblical tradition.

Yes. However, you must also remember the Golden Rule. If you hurl accusations and foul epithets at other people, it means that you MUST be totally fine with THEM similarly vilifying you as well.

If you feel in any sense of outrage or injustice when others vilify you, you shouldn't do it to others either.
---StrongAxe on 11/26/12


"salvation is in the hands of God, not in the hands of man" AMEN! Not our will, it's his will that's done! Ephesians 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:Malalchi 1:2-3 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
---J_Marc on 11/26/12


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name calling is a time honour biblical tradition.
Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Mark 7:27 But Jesus said unto her, it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.

1 Samuel 17:26 uncircumcised Philistine

Hebrews 12:8 then are ye bastards, and not sons.

Matthew 23:17 Ye fools and blind

2 Timothy 2:17 a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus,

TIME HONOURED
---francis on 11/26/12


christan *it's clear to anyone (believer ) the answer to the salvation of man is "IMPOSSIBLE"

And why is it impossible for men, keep on reading:

"Then Peter said to him, Weve given up everything to follow you. What will we get?V 27

Sounds like he had free-will. doesn't it?

Jesus told him what he will get for making Jesus first in his life!

Then Jesus goes on and says

"And everyone who has given up houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or property, for my sake, will receive a hundred times as much in return and will inherit eternal life" V 29

Impossilbe for men if we try it on our own, "
But with God everything is possible.V 26


---Ruben on 11/26/12


Christan, you hit the nail in the head when you said,

"
The answer to these angry people's behavior with regards to the Truth about salvation is a guarantee respond and that's because God's love of the Truth is not upon them. And when God's love is not upon the sinner, he has but one reaction, hate for the Truth."


They really hate the Truth that much. They don't just not belief, they hate you for bringing the Truth to them. Why?
"because God's love of the Truth is not upon them"
So they respond by calling you names, to even changing the words of Scripture to fit their theology of free will. Though they cannot find one passage to support that God gave man a will that was free.
---Mark_V. on 11/26/12


Now please forgive me barb.

Here you have someone saying:
//I believe that salvation IS in the hands of God.//

But, also says:
//God has made it possible for man to be saved by sending His Son into the world to pay the death penalty for anyone who (chooses to obey His Word.)//

And you are one of the few who obey his word, right. And therefore are saved!
Now if I truly love my brother as myself. Wouldn't I want my brother to be saved, even if he didn't believe?

But more, do I really believe I am obeying His Word?
Well maybe I really am, in that, I love my brother more than myself.
But then it's not (as myself), is it?
Peace
---TheSeg on 11/26/12


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I believe that salvation IS in the hands of God. God has made it possible for man to be saved by sending His Son into the world to pay the death penalty for anyone who chooses to obey His Word.

God commanded Adam and Eve not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They disobeyed. We have the same choice today to obey God's commandments or not. We can abide in the Word (Jesus) that God sent or not. God has made it possible now it is up to us to choose life or death.

God knows the end from the beginning but He does not let that interfere with His plan of salvation. God has made a Way for us but He will not drag us down that road kicking and screaming, we must choose to go.
---barb on 11/26/12


Joh_15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain:
That whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

And here is where the problem comes in, its in the way you ask!
You see a man in the street and say to yourselves, I hope, wish and pray God saves him.
In no way, can this be look at as done, in belief!

If you really believed that man was saved, well then that man is saved!
But this is just, my way. Right!

Mat_21:22 (And all things,) (whatsoever) (ye shall ask in prayer,) (believing,) (ye shall receive!)
Peace
---TheSeg on 11/26/12


How do we get saved? We get saved by HIS life. How do we get HIS life? By trusting in the death and resurrection of Christ. Its by grace through faith. HE is the way, the truth and the LIFE.
---duane on 11/25/12


too much whining on CN.
" People calling me names."
"My wife lied, she was not a virgin when we got married"
" My neighbour says my wife was improper."

grow a pair already
---francis on 11/25/12


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It's because they want to believe in the God they choose!
They can't believe in a God, which does the choosing.

Seems to me, they can't get it in their heads, God came to us first!
Like, if not for God coming here first, no one would even know there was a God!

Go ahead all you, who say I chose to believe in God.
How would you even know there was a God, if not for, God!
That's right you wouldn't!

They can't believe God chose to come here! (You know, sometimes I can't believe it either!)
Most of all they don't believe or understand the power of the word of God.
They hear it, but say, I choose!
Not, giving God the glory!
Peace.
---TheSeg on 11/25/12


"But God be thanked that though you were saves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered." (Romans 6:17)

So, the thanks is to God, for how we obeyed. Because we "were slaves" in sin, we were not free in loving obedience. Our hearts were "deceitful above all things" . . . "desperately wicked" (in Jeremiah 17:9). But God changed our hearts so we became obedient and "trusted in Christ" (Ephesians 2:12).

So, yes, You LORD our Father changed us so we became able to love > 1 John 4:17.
---willie_c: on 11/25/12


If I find that I am able consistently to love as Paul shows in 1 Corinthians 13, I can be assured that I have been rescued from sin by the Lord.
---love.wins on 11/24/12


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