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Should Christians teach the keeping of or the breaking of the Ten Commandments?

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Our Father in Heaven, As the example of the prophets, i confess the sins of my Fathers and me, we had other gods by worshiped ourselves and our churches rather than You, we enjoyed images of statues, tv,and internet, we idolized Pastors, sports and rock stars, we took Your name in vain in many ways, we profaned Your Sabbaths,we commited adultery against You by weaving pagan things with Yours, we stole by taking things that were not ours, we did't honor our parents in many ways, we bore false witness by misinterpreting you and others and telling it to others, we did'nt love You or others as You commanded. Please have mercy on us all! In the name of the one true Christ, Yashua the Anointed Messiah, the real Jesus, Amen
---J_Marc on 12/6/12


Do good works produce faith? OR does faith produce good works? When you know the answer there will be no confusion.
When we have true faith, good works will always be present in love and obedience.
Believe on HIM and you shall be saved.
---duane on 12/6/12


Q: Should Christians teach the keeping of or the breaking of the Ten Commandments?

A: The 10 come from the old testament. Keeping them includes a curse.

The Christians are under the grace covenant. Free from the curse. Keeping the commandments of Jesus to love others through his love.
---jan4378 on 12/6/12


.. faith in Christ alone is how the Christian is deemed to have "keep His commandments"?
---christan on 12/5/12
Revelation 12:17 keep the commandments of God, AND have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 keep the commandments of God, AND the faith of Jesus.

A christian does BOTH
keep the commandments of God
AND have faith in Jesus

Isaiah 8:20 To the law AND to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
James 2:20 faith without works is dead?
---francis on 12/6/12


francis, you keep showing us verses like "If ye love me, keep my commandments". I have no quarrels with what Christ or His apostles have declared. The quarrel is with your understanding.

Again I ask you, "If ye love me, keep my commandments", does it imply that you obey all of God's laws or does it mean faith in Christ alone is how the Christian is deemed to have "keep His commandments"?

I know your answer but I am hoping you can prove me wrong.
---christan on 12/5/12




Yes, God "chose us" TO HAVE SALVATION/REST IN JESUS in this 'age of eternity'. In speaking of the Israelites, God said (Hebrews 3:11) "They shall never enter my rest".

Mark 10:30 "and in the age to come eternal life".

Jesus came to earth at the end of the age of time.

Hebrews 9:26 "appeared once for all at the end of the age to put away sin".

The Jews never had the doctrine about the lamb, the Jews only knew and worshiped Israel's "ONE husband". 2 John 1:9 "he who abides in the doctrine has both the Father and the Son".

1 Corinthians 11:2 "pure bride to her one husband" (we shall be a "pure bride" to the bridegroom).
---more_excellent_way on 12/6/12


J_Mark, If you are saying that Christ is our Sabbath, I am in full agreement!
---trey on 12/5/12


Rom_7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do, but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

Php_3:9 And be found in him, (not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law,) but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

Jud_1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

If they really loved us, they would find a way to forgive us!
Mat 7:12 for this is the law and the prophets.
You deal with it!
Peace
---TheSeg on 12/5/12


---christan on 12/4/12
Stop right there!!!
Is it francis who is saying keep the commandments:

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Rev 12:17 the remnant..which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 14:12 the saints: they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

1 Cor 7:19 the keeping of the commandments of God.

Matthew 19:17 but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

It is NOT FRANCIS it is GOD
maybe in the New NT i will get a book in
---francis on 12/5/12


trey:"I'll give you scripture for worshiping on the Lords Day/First Day of the Week if you can give me a new testment scripture where Christ specifically states we are to worship on the Sabbath."
HEB.4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

9 There remaineth therefore a Sabbath rest to the people of God.

10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
---J_Marc on 12/5/12




Nana, it's a command to ALL man that they should repent to God and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God".

Does it then mean that the man has the ability of obeying and carrying out a Holy act? Didn't Paul declare, "For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin." How can the sinner who's "dead in trespass and sin" carry out a "spiritual" command if he's not even "born of the Spirit"? IMPOSSIBLE!

"But without faith it is impossible to please Him... For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD", get it?
---christan on 12/5/12


Nana, in looking at the scriptures you referenced in Luke, I believe John is teaching here how we as children of God should act and treat our fellow man. The scriptures tell us that he came preaching repentance for (or because of) the remission of sin. He was teaching that the time of Christ is now, and we are to follow him.

Matt 4:17, the Kingdom of Heaven is here and now. It is our relationship with God. When we as his people act in disobedience we are not entering in, and we grieve the Holy Spirit. When we his people draw nigh to God, he draws nigh unto us and we have that joy and peace which passeth understanding.
---trey on 12/5/12


Were the people John the Baptist called out saved?
Jesus said likewise, "From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.", Matthew 4:17

John said, "Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:" to the scribes and Sadducees who came to his baptism. Why the requirement?
Is there a requirement for all? "Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight."
In Luke 1:17, "And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just, to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."
Oh, and John taught specifics as needed, Luke 3:10_14.
---Nana on 12/4/12


In reading Jerry's blog I see the answer is black and white. No! Christians should never teach the breaking of the Ten Commandments. The problem that we then are faced with is that my understanding of scripture as a christian differs from the JWs. As a christian I believe the new testament to teach that we are to worship on the Lord's day, or on the first day of the week whereas the JWs desire to return to the law. I guess they've never read the book of Galatians.
I'll give you scripture for worshiping on the Lords Day/First Day of the Week if you can give me a new testment scripture where Christ specifically states we are to worship on the Sabbath.
---trey on 12/4/12


"You do not see " to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God" in the ten commandments?" francis

The question for you is this: are you telling everyone to obey God's law in order to gain entry into His Kingdom OR that you're already saved and it's your duty to obey His law because you love Him? So, which is which for you?
---christan on 12/4/12


Romans 6:21 "What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death."
What need had Paul of speaking of 'things'? Why not generalize?

1 Corinthians 6:9_10 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Why is Paul going through a laundry list of sins?

The two? Jesus left commandment "That ye love one another, as I have loved you."
Wonder why not "... as you love yourselves'?
---Nana on 12/4/12


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10: Thou shalt not covet
You do not see " to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God" in the ten commandments?
---francis on 12/4/12

Yes those complete the 10 commandments.

AND thou shall not covet is a heart thing. And the heart, that is your old heart cannot control this particular sin. That is why we are given a NEW HEART.

Paul believed himself blameless concerning the law EXCEPT he said this one slew him.
---kathr4453 on 12/4/12


--StrongAxe on 12/4/12
Jesus is not saying that all the law are replaced by two. Jesus is saying that the basis of all the laws are love.
You are saying that if you keep the two laws then you keep all. WRONG

If you keep all ten then you show love, not if love you keep all ten

Here it is Matthew 19:18 Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: AND, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

keep the commandment AND by doing so, you will love your neighbour

the faulty teaching here is that you do not have to keep all ten, all you have to do is love. We do not know love apart from the law of God
---francis on 12/4/12


francis:

Jesus himself mentioned the Two Laws, and then immediately said that on these hang all the law and the prophets. What about this isn't clear? All the commandments of God are based on these Two Laws. If you keep these Two Laws, you don't need to be told a laundry list of severfal hundred others, because you will ALREADY be obeying them all implicitly, without needing to be told them explicitly.
---StrongAxe on 12/4/12


---Mark_Eaton on 12/4/12
Are you saying that God does not require us to do these:

1: Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
2: Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image,
3: Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain,
4: Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5: Honour thy father and thy mother:
6: Thou shalt not kill.
7: Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8: Thou shalt not steal.
9: Thou shalt not bear false witness.
10: Thou shalt not covet
You do not see " to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God" in the ten commandments?
---francis on 12/4/12


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The answer to how to love people is by keeping the commandments
---francis on 12/3/12

francis, You cannot by the Holy Spirit produce the fruit of LOVE through keeping the Law.

This love is AGAPE Love, a supernatural love that only comes as we die to the Law and let Christ live through us.

Please look in strongs for LOVE, and you will see 4 different kinds.

It's a LOVE beyond human understanding or beyond human attainment.

It comes as we die to self, the law are crucified with Christ. It's HIS RISEN LIFE in us living through us.

You KNOW you have passed from death to life when you LOVE the Brethren.

May want to brush up on 1st John. and Gal 5
---kathr4453 on 12/4/12


You have been called to liberty, yet you continue in the bondage of the Law.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/4/12

Psalms 119:44 So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever. And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.
2 Peter 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption:.. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

Those who keep the law of God are those who are at liberty. Those who trangress the law are in sin and sin is bondage

mark eaton you have it backwards
---francis on 12/4/12


"Teach Jesus Is Our Rest" HEB.4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

9 There remaineth therefore a Sabbath rest to the people of God.

10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
---J_Marc on 12/4/12


Brother francis, I hope one day you really try to keep the law.
I don't mean, just say it. But really look in your heart to see, if you are really keeping it.

Try and understand me. I am not saying don't keep it!
I'm simply trying to show you, just how Holy the law is.
I hear many say I keep the law. But, the truth is they don't!

I also keep the law. But, I keep it in a very high place.
Where Holy things, should be kept!
And I don't put it in hands of men.

Where they can stand there and say
I have done that, which no other man did!
I would just like to hear the truth, amen!

Peace
---TheSeg on 12/4/12


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If you are truly wedded toJesus, you would speak of Him more often than you speak about the Law and the commandments.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/4/12
in your opinion, did I somehow missunderstand the blog question? Am I off topic here?

Should Christians teach the keeping of or the breaking of the Ten Commandments?
---jerry6593 on 11/28/
---francis on 12/4/12


Loving Jesus/ God is not an emotional response to his death, it is in the keeping of all his holy commandments
---francis on 12/4/12

I give up. You will never understand.

You have been called to liberty, yet you continue in the bondage of the Law. Even an OT passage like Micah 6:8 leaves you unfazed:

Micah 6:8 "...And what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God"

As I have told many others in these blogs, I will not engage you again in this subject, your pet doctrine. You have hardened your heart and are unteachable.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/4/12


But where is your love for Jesus?
---Mark_Eaton on 12/4/12
keeping of the commandments

Joshua 22:5 take diligent heed to do the commandment and the law, which Moses the servant of the LORD charged you, to love the LORD your God,

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love,

Loving Jesus/ God is not an emotional response to his death, it is in the keeping of all his holy commandments

Hebrews 6:4-6

Those who understand that Jesus death is because of failure to keep the commandments of God, will never intentionally return to a life of not keeping the commandments.
---francis on 12/4/12


The answer to how to love people is by keeping the commandments
---francis on 12/3/12

But where is your love for Jesus?

If you are truly wedded to Jesus, you would speak of Him more often than you speak about the Law and the commandments. You speak far more of the commandments and prove to all of us that you are wedded to the Law and not Jesus.

Jesus is our all in all, He is all we ever need, He supplies all of our need, He has redeemed us from the kingdom of darkness and keeps us by the power of His resurrection. By loving and serving Him, I have need of nothing else. He empowers me to live a godly life, a righteous life, a sanctified life.

Yet, rarely do you ever mention His name in a blog post.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/4/12


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2 Peter 1:4 ye might be partakers of the divine nature,

So many focus on their fallen carnal nature, that maybe they do not realize that through Christ we are given the DIVINE NATURE

the purpose of the Divine nature is not to get righ but rather:
2 Peter 1:3 unto life and godliness,

It is to life a godly life,
People who claim that they are not able to keep the law of God are NOT YET CONVERTED

Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling,

Is God not able to keep us from all sin?
is not he that is in us far greater than he that is in the world?
---francis on 12/4/12


christan, I don't think francis will ever understand the law.
As long as he believes he is doing them.
He doesn't want to understand, the law is Holy and the commandment Holy.

Somehow he's got it in to his head, he is keeping them.
I think he really believes, he's doing that which is Holy!
In spite of Christ saying:
Joh_15:22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin:
(but now they have no cloke for their sin.)

He must believe he has a cloke for his sin.
He can't see being naked before God.
He thinks like Adam:
I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked, and I hid myself.

Peace
---TheSeg on 12/4/12


Romans 13:9 "For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet, and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."

Just as Jesus said, "On these hang...", but no matter how it tries, the shirt is the shirt. It does not become a hanger by virtue of being perched on it.
Matthew 15:3_8 is a specific, a member not the whole.

Matthew 15:9 addressed the perversion of "Honour thy father..." by the scribes and Pharisees NOT the commandment.
---Nana on 12/4/12


Actually Jerry, Christians should be teaching the cross, and our identification with Christ in death and resurrection life with Him. Then we bear fruit, that goes above and beyond law keeping. Romans 7 should clearly tell you that Paul instructed the Jews who were under Law that they had to die to the Law to be married to another, in order to bring forth fruit. Gal 2:20-21 also clearly tell us we are no longer under law, because it voids out GRACE that brings forth that fruit. The New Creature now has Christ in them, and we are being conformed to His Image. Law Keepers are still in the flesh, which voids out any growth in the Spirit. This is what Galatians is ALL ABOUT!

That's what the Apolstls taught.
---kathr4453 on 12/4/12


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Here is what I believe we should teach:
Rom10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Just take it for what it says.

Heb4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
"them" - children of Israel who were under the law.

Eph2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Again, this is pretty easy to understand, salvation does not come by keeping the law. Salvation is by the grace of God.

Being a true christian is loving God first and loving our neighbour second. It is not a one day deal, it's an everyday deal.
---trey on 12/4/12


Before you try putting the yoke of bondage unto the people,
---christan on 12/3/12
1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Do you consider Honouring your parents ayoke?



francis:
If you love God and love your fellow man:
You don't need to be told not to worship other gods.
--strongAxe on 12/3/12

Exodus 32:16 And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables.

Would you say the same thing to God?
Can we agree that it is not francis who came up with, wrote, or taught the ten commandments but God himself?
---francis on 12/4/12


"which of these ten should a christian not keep?" francis

Before you try putting the yoke of bondage unto the people, have you kept them ALL yourself? A simple yes or no would suffice.

You keep showing us the ten commandments from God and there are also something like 1,500 other commands in the OT and NT combined. If these commandments doesn't tell you that you are dealing with a Holy God and His tolerance of sin is ZERO, then you are like the Pharisee. Instead of pointing sinners to Christ, you are pointing them to the law.

"Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN." Romans 3:20 - comprehend?
---christan on 12/3/12


francis:

If you love God and love your fellow man:
You don't need to be told not to worship other gods. You just won't.
You don't need to be told not to kill your neighbor. You just won't.

Get the picture? If you obey Jesus's Two Laws, you will AUTOMATICALLY obey the others WITHOUT needing a specific list of "thou shalt not this" and "thou shalt not that". Thus, the Ten Commandments become redundant. This is NOT in any way telling people "God ahead, kill and steal all you want because you're under grace."

Children are taught "don't stick forks in toasters" and "don't stick knives in wall sockets", but adults avoid these things without needing to be told.
---StrongAxe on 12/3/12


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Mark_Eaton on 12/3/12

Is there a place in Romans 7 that says since I am married to Jesus I am free to

1: have other gods
2: make graven image to bow down to
3: take the name of the LORD thy God in vain,
4: Forget the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5: Disonour thy father and thy mother:
6: kill.
7: commit adultery.
8: steal.
9: bear false witness.
10: covet

The same author of Romans also wrote:
Eph 6:2 Honour thy father and mother
Eph 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more
Col 3:9 Lie not one to another,
Hebrews 13:4 adulterers God will judge.
1 Timothy 6:1 the name of God be not blasphemed.
2 Timothy 2:22 Flee also youthful lusts:
---francis on 12/3/12


Your focus is and has been solely on the Commandments. ---Mark_Eaton on 12/3/12


Did I some how miss the blog question?
Anyways lets see how jesus and Paul answered:
Matthew 19:18 Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thy self
Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

The answer to how to love people is by keeping the commandments
---francis on 12/3/12


Do you see any salvation in a life of unrepented sin?
---francis on 12/2/12

Your focus is and has been solely on the Commandments. Your focus should be on Jesus and loving other people. These were HIS commandments to us. Jesus commandment to us was not to continue in the Law. Our righteousness is to be greater than the Pharisees, who were keepers of the Law.

Our relationship with the Law has changed, as I have shown to you Scripturally.

If you wish to continue to be wedded to the Law, okay. Do not consider yourself wedded to Jesus. You cannot be wedded to both Jesus and the Law. As Romans chapter 7 shows you, then you are considered an adulterer to Jesus.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/3/12


It is YAWAHAS Sabbath & commandments. Ezekiel 20:20 "hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God" The Sabbath is taught in the new testament. Hebrews 4:9 "There remains therefore a (Sabbath)rest for the people of God" HIS commandments were not done away with. I John 5:3 "For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome,"
---J_Marc on 12/3/12


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DEEDS & WORKS of the law were done away with NOT the COMMANDMENTS of God! Romans 3:20 Therefore by the DEEDS of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the DEEDS of the law.Galations 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the WORKS of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the WORKS of the law: for by the WORKS of the law shall no flesh be justified. Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross,
---J_Marc on 12/3/12


Is it possible God was wrong, and fallen man is able to keep the whole law?
All you do is bring more laws for others to keep, but do you keep all of them?
---Mark_V. on 12/3/12

HEY IDIOT
1: Show me where God said fallen manis unable to keep his laws
2: SHow me a LAW that I have brought to you that is not commanded by God
---francis on 12/3/12


Francis, the question remains, have you kept the whole law? Do SDA's keep the whole law? Is it possible God was wrong, and fallen man is able to keep the whole law? All you do is bring more laws for others to keep, but do you keep all of them?
Here let me help you,
"cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them" (Gal. 3:10). Everyone without Christ is cursed because,
"By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in His sight" (Rom. 3:20).
What fallen man really needs is not more laws, but Christ. He was "made a curse for us" (Gal. 3:13). not for you if you are trying to keep all of them, you will fail.
---Mark_V. on 12/3/12


Matthew 19:17, Rev 12:17, Rev 14:12, Rev 22:14, Hebrews 5:9, Psalms 19:7, Matthew 5:19-20, James 2:8_10, 2 Peter 2:21, James 1:25, John 14:15, 1 Cor 7:19, Romans 6:1, Romans 3:31, Romans 13:9, 1 John 2:3

Just a few verses that command us

1: Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
2: Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image,
3: Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain,
4: Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5: Honour thy father and thy mother:
6: Thou shalt not kill.
7: Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8: Thou shalt not steal.
9: Thou shalt not bear false witness.
10: Thou shalt not covet

which of these ten should a christian not keep?
---francis on 12/2/12


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francis, as usual you post verses from the Bible with zero understanding. You, like the rich ruler (Matthew 19) only look to justify yourself by the law and never even looked in the way of Jesus Christ as the end of the law.

You continue to show everyone what you understand as the law if you "obey" them is how you will enter heaven - just like the rich ruler thought so. He claimed he kept it and yet he walked away sad when Christ spoke the Truth.

As for those who's saved by grace (100%), believing in Christ is how one have "fulfilled the law", through faith. And as Paul declares, "Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith."
---christan on 12/2/12


MarkV, even if francis did tell us that he has kept all the laws (which I doubt he has or else God would be lying when He declared the content in Romans 3) like the rich ruler in Matthew 19, he's still not going to heaven - according to Jesus Christ.

Do not for once think that the rich young ruler was the only person the Bible speaks about in one trying to be justified by the works of the law. The spirit that lived in him is alive and well to this day and the end of time. Or how else would God condemned them to eternal death because of their unbelief in His declarations.

That's why I stand by the Truth that reprobates are indeed predestined for eternal death, just like the elect are predestined by God for eternal life in Christ.
---christan on 12/2/12


---Mark_Eaton on 12/2/12
Notice that I did not say that we get to heaven by keeping the commandments.

I said:
Notice that there is a relationship here between keep the commandments and entering heaven.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city....12/1/12

Mark_Eaton can you see that relationship?

2 Peter 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

The alternative to keeping the commandments is a life of unrepented sin.

Do you see any salvation in a life of unrepented sin?
---francis on 12/2/12


---christan on 12/1/12
Stop posting without checking the bible

Matthew 19:17 ,... if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Rev 12:17 keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 14:12 keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life,

Hebrews 5:9 being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him,


Psalms 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

Maybe ask for clarification on things that are in the bible, which you do not understand
---francis on 12/1/12


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francis, I was waiting for your answer to the questions that Christan put to you. How many laws have you kept? We are talking about all the laws, the laws of the prophets concerning all of the Old Testament, all the ceremonial laws, and all the moral laws. So please tells us, how many laws have you kept? Have you kept them all? Are you proud enough to say yes? Do all SDA's keep all the Laws? Is it the only denomination of people who keep all of the laws given by God, the prophets and Moses? I forgot, how about the judicial Laws, have you kept them too?
---Mark_V. on 12/2/12


Notice that there is a relationship here between keep the commandments and entering heaven.
---francis on 12/1/12

No, No, No.

There is only one way to heaven, Jesus is the way. He fulfilled the Law, became the fulfilment of the Law for me, and therefore, my death with Him in salvation and baptism changes my relationship to the Law.

Have you ever read and understood this verse:

Rom 7:6 "But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter"

The word "released" in that verse means to be made void in my life.

I did not do it, God did it.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/2/12


"Notice that there is a relationship here between keep the commandments and entering heaven." francis

Really? Then Christ must be teaching lies about entering the Kingdom of God when He told Nicodemus, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

Do you see anywhere's that "keeping the commandments" is a requirement to "entering heaven"? Your doctrine is that of the Pharisees as Paul wrote: "For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God."
---christan on 12/1/12


Exodus 32:16 the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables.

What does the expression " written in stone" mean?

How would that relate to what God himself wrote in stone?

Which human being can erase what God has written in stone?

Which human being can erase what God has written in the hearts of his people?

Do you think that God wrote all ten commandments in his people's heart?

Psalms 37:29 The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.
Psalms 37:30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.

Psalms 37:31 The law of his God is in his heart, none of his steps shall slide.
---francis on 12/1/12


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The Scriptures are very clear about who owns the Law and the ordinances. It was a privilege given to a people whom God personally chose to represent Him on earth.

Ro 9:4 Who are Israelites, to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises.

Anyone who teaches and believes otherwise, is ignorant of the word of God, and His dealings with mankind, and a thief.

Such denial is found primarily among the sects, whose teachings are based upon men's opinions, and not the word of God.
---Phil on 12/1/12


Should Christians teach the keeping of or the breaking of the Ten Commandments?
---jerry6593 on 11/28/12

the most saught after artifact in the world is the ARK OF THE COVENANT, a gold box with two tables of stone inside.

What is of great value is not the gold but the stones

What is even of greater value is not the stones, but what is written on the stones

What do you think God has gloried, the gold, the stones, or the words?
Revelation 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament:

Exodus 32:16 And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables.
---francis on 12/1/12


Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousnessof the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Notice that there is a relationship here between keep the commandments and entering heaven.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
---francis on 12/1/12


"Take the time to meditate on these verses. What do they say, and how many of the / commandments laws should we keep?" francis

And how many of the laws have you "kept"? All? Enlighten us as to how you have achieved "obeying the law" and maybe tell us that you have not sinned even once in your life up to this point, please.

And where is Jesus in your life since you have "kept the commandments" of God Almighty? And why do you even need Him since you are "able" to keep His commandments? Aren't you then going to be justified by the works of the law?

And "don't deflect".
---christan on 12/1/12


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James 2:8_10 "If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."


Are Christians exempted from "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself"? If they are not, James 2:8 to 10 applies to them in its entirety.
See Romans 13.
---Nana on 12/1/12


Bring on the horse!!!
---Legends on 11/30/12
I like your answer

may I add geedy uuupppp
---francis on 12/1/12


Jerry, no Christian should keep Saturday Sabbath. Stop the smoke Screen. Get to the point. Saturday Sabbath is not one of the Ten Commandments. The commandments were given so that we could know what sin is. And Saturday Sabbath is not one of them. So there is no sin.
Christian rest in Christ. He is our Sabbath.
---Mark_V. on 12/1/12


Romans 2:13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

It is not means of justification, but it is the results of our justification

Matthew 22:37 love the Lord thy God..thy neighbour as thyself.

Means by which we show the love of God

James 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

It is the standard by which God judges

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

It is a measure of our faith

Ecclesiastes 12:13 Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
---francis on 12/1/12


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Like many of the blogs, the question phrasing either needs more clarification or it means exactly what it means. I suspect the question may be a Trojan Horse.
BUT... Choosing to answer the latter... Christians should never teach the breaking of the Ten Commandments.
May I add as fuller clarification... Our TOTAL inability to keep the commandments(that have not ceased) serve to point all mankind toward the "so great salvation" given us by grace.
Bring on the horse!!!
---Legends on 11/30/12


francis, "Teach people to keep... THE WHOLE LAW, ALL TEN COMMANDMENTS"? And then what?
---christan on 11/30/12

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Take the time to meditate on these verses. What do they say, and how many of the / commandments laws should we keep?

Do not try to deflect.
---francis on 11/30/12


Teach how to keep the commandments > "'Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:29) Do all in "rest for your souls". "Let all that you do be done with love." (1 Corinthians 16:14) Ones are very busy about outward commandment keeping but say nothing or little about how to be in love. And ones are so expert at pointing out how others are wrong (2 Corinthians 12:10, Galatians 4:17), but are not at least as good at pointing out how they themselves can be wrong . . . "only always pointing at someone else, not in their own group."
---willie_c: on 11/30/12


francis, "Teach people to keep... THE WHOLE LAW, ALL TEN COMMANDMENTS"? And then what? You get to go to heaven? Is that how salvation is "earned"?

"And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work." Romans 11:6

Is that what James 2:10 is advocating you to do? Seriously? Or is James reminding us that we all break the law, one or the other everyday of our life?

I know only of ONE who has fulfilled the law and that was Jesus Christ. If you can do it on your own, Christ never died for you!
---christan on 11/30/12


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Should Christians teach the keeping of or the breaking of the Ten Commandments?
---jerry6593 on 11/28/12
BIBLE, JESUS, GOD, Mathew's ANSWER:

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

TEACH THE KEEPING OF THE TEN COMMANDMENTS

How many should we teach people to keep:
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

THE WHOLE LAW, ALL TEN COMMANDMENTS
---francis on 11/30/12


Christ taught to keep the comandments!Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Paul taught to keep the comandments!1st Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

John taught to keep the comandments!1st John 5:2-3 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
---J-Marc on 11/30/12


The LAW had only ONE purpose when God gave it to man, "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN." Unless God demonstrate His mercy and grace though His love, we're all finished before the Him.

ONLY faith in Christ through God's grace is a man saved and no other way. For Christ was the "perfect lamb" God prepared "before the foundation of the world" for His people.

It then becomes the duty of the Christian not to break God's laws. But can he? That's why Paul wrote Romans 7. And if Paul couldn't, don't pretend you can....
---christan on 11/29/12


The relation to law that the Pharisees had established was work and be rewarded.

Our relationship is love fulfills the law. Not be doing away with the law. But understanding love goes above and beyond just not stealing but giving. Not just not murdering but loving. Love results in obeying the law because we have been born again and love GOD and love others.

Which is why Paul wrote in Romans 3:31 that Grace establishes the law.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/29/12


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Our relationship with the Law changed when we died with Christ (Romans 6:3-8)..........
But we can certainly commit adultery to Jesus if we try to be wedded again to the Law as shown in Romans 7:3.
---Mark_Eaton on 11/29/12

AMEN !

Mt 23:15 'Woe to you, Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye go round the sea and the dry land to make one proselyte, and whenever it may happen--ye make him a son of gehenna twofold more than yourselves...................

To yoke another to the Law is a serious offense. In this life, you will have condemned the listener to darkeness and death, and denied the grace of God and the power of the cross.
---Phil on 11/29/12

AMEN !
---Haz27 on 11/29/12


Conformity to the Ten Commandments brings death,
---Phil on 11/29/12

REALLY?

If I honour my father and my mother who dies: Me, My father, or My Mother?

If I do not covet my neighbor's wife who dies, Me, my neighbour or my neighbour's wife?

If I do not bare false witness against my neighbour, who dies me or my neighbour?

If i do not murder my neighbour who dies Me or my neighbour?

If I did not commit adultery who dies me, my neighbour or my neighbour's spouse which whom I did not committed adultery?
---francis on 11/29/12


Our relationship with the Law changed when we died with Christ (Romans 6:3-8).

Romans chapter 7 describes our relationship to the Law like a marriage. Before Christ, we were "wedded" to the Law. But after Christ:

Rom 7:4 "Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God"

The Law is dead in our lives. Not to violate it or break it, but we are wedded to Jesus and our devotion is to Him.

But we can certainly commit adultery to Jesus if we try to be wedded again to the Law as shown in Romans 7:3.
---Mark_Eaton on 11/29/12


Mt 23:15 'Woe to you, Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye go round the sea and the dry land to make one proselyte, and whenever it may happen--ye make him a son of gehenna twofold more than yourselves.

Conformity to the Ten Commandments brings death, as it was designed to do. It increased the magnitude of the offensiveness of sin in the heart. It turned sin into transgression against God, and not merely an offense.

To yoke another to the Law is a serious offense. In this life, you will have condemned the listener to darkeness and death, and denied the grace of God and the power of the cross.

By Sovereign election, escape is possible. To the rest, indignation and fury cometh.

Paul alone has truth for today.
---Phil on 11/29/12


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if they keep the two great commandments that summarize the ten, the ten are fulfilled.
---aka on 11/29/12


The answer to your question is here,

"To declare, I say, at this time His righteousness: that He might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Is He the God of the Jews only? is He not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW" Romans 3:36-31
---christan on 11/28/12


Not as means of devotion. They cannot fulfill 'DEVOTION'.

The Lord does not want us to be devoid of 'CONVENTION' (standards of goodness), but legalistic obsession (prudishness) is wrong.

"Either hot or cold" is about being 'passionately FOR' your fellow human being's happiness or IMPASSIONATE about "giving" to them (because of your own life experiences). The world never gave me anything DESIRABLE (including life).

God wants us to have "goodness" standards, not a prudish obsession (it is JUDICIAL, not the attitude that God desires for us). We should be MASTERS OF OURSELVES and make our own decisions to be either hot or cold....

"lover of goodness, master of himself" (Titus 1:8).
---more_excellent_way on 11/28/12


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