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Christmas Trees In Church

Do you think about Christmas trees set up in the church? What message are we teaching? Are we teaching about Christ or paganism?

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J_Marc:

Precisely. Those things had to do with putting up trees to assist in the idolatrous worship of Tammuz. This is different from Christmas trees in two very important ways:
1) Christmas is about Jesus, not Tammuz
2) Christmas trees are about celebration, not worship.
I doubt most people who have Christmas trees have ever even heard of Tammuz or Nimrod, let alone worship either one.

Now, if you wish to impute guilt by association (i.e. because such trees were once used for that worship, they now all are), you had better abstain from eating fruit or anything else that comes from trees as well.
---StrongAxe on 12/8/12


\\for your own sakes, please stop using God's name for your own endeavors.
---aka on 12/8/12\\

That's basically what I've been trying to get across to J_Marc, but his heart is hardened.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/8/12


for your own sakes, please stop using God's name for your own endeavors.
---aka on 12/8/12


Likewise, O Lord, I ask forgiveness for and repent of the many sins and calumnies of J_Marc, whose very name suggests the Mark of the Beast.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/8/12


\\Happy Feast of St. Ambrose!
---Ruben on 12/7/1\\

Likewise, Reuben.

Have you ever seen or read the Divine Liturgy of St. Ambrose? It's on line.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/7/12




Happy Feast of St. Ambrose!
---Ruben on 12/7/12


J_Marc, you're not up to the spiritual level of Nehemiah. Are you so vain that you think you are?

The Bible tells me that a heretic after the first and second admonition should be rejected, so I, too, shall obey the Bible.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/7/12


-Mary on 12/6/12 //J-Marc, why are you asking forgiveness for your father and grandfathers? You didn't do whatever they did, it's in my prayer i inherited the sin they taught me!]..[ YES i DID!it's in my prayer, you see, i inherited the sin they taught me!] I it's between them and God.//
The Bible tells me to!
Nehemiah 9,2 And the seed of Israel separated themselves from all strangers, and stood and confessed their sins, and the iniquities of their fathers.
---J_Marc on 12/6/12


//calumnies //
Great word...many on this site major in it.
---Rod4Him on 12/6/12


Happy St. Nicholas Day, everyone.

I just received an e-mail from an Orthodox friend named Nicholas. It included an ancient icon of the saint, in his usual red bishop's vestments, with this caption.

"I'm St. Nicholas, Bishop of Myra. I give presents to children and punch heretics. I just ran out of presents."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/6/12




Happy feast of St. Nicholas...the real Santa Claus!
---Ruben on 12/6/12


J-Marc, why are you asking forgiveness for your father and grandfathers? You didn't do whatever they did, it's between them and God.
---Mary on 12/6/12


Our Father in Heaven, As the example of Nehemiah, i humbly confess and beg forgiveness for me, my Father, and Grand Fathers of the disobedience we commited. Christmas trees we put up,giving Santa lists of things we wanted but did't need, teaching our children songs that teach lies,gluttonising our selves at the festivities, putting up the mistletoe, celebrating the birthday of Christ when you never commanded it. Forgive us Lord of these abominations. i repent! In the name of the one true Christ, Yashua the Anointed Messiah, the real Jesus, Amen
---J_Marc on 12/6/12


\\15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
---J_Marc on 12/5/12\\

But you're not spiritual, J_Marc.

That's the point which you have not yet realized.

And your calumnies don't affect me in the list, because my life is hidden with Christ in God.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/5/12


cluny,//JMarc, looking at the things "you say to me",[ you to me!} "many people"{who?] would have a different idea from yours about just who is persecuting whom.//
2 Thes.4:2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith. 1 Cor.:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
---J_Marc on 12/5/12


Church should be a place for worshipers who knows the living God and the living God knows the worshipers. All others are hypocrites. And we know how God feels about them.
---pat on 12/5/12


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Storngaxe"What does Tammuz have to do with it?"StrongAxe, YOU ASKED ME!"Just which evil pagan god does Xmas celebrate? Inquiring minds want to know!" i kindly anwserd!
Historically, Nimrod was identified with Tammanz, the sun god. Depicted by a sacred tree that was cut down, then a young tree was found in it's place. This represented the rebirth of Nimrod the sun god. The enemy paved the way to Madonna and child worship with many counterfeit representations, including Isis and Osirus (Egpyt) , also Nimrod and Semirus! Christ is not to be worshiped as a little babe in his mothers arms, but as LORD!
---J_Marc on 12/5/12


What? When are you ever going to take responsibility for your own fault of not understanding something and blame it on someone by saying "If I got the wrong impression, it was because your wording was less than clear."

You don't read what Cluny says and you jump on me for replying what I replied to Cluny and dare say "it was because your wording was less than clear."

You're like Adam in the garden! When God questioned him "where art thou" after his wife ate of the tree, this is what he told God, "The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat."

Like father, like son!
---christan on 12/4/12


J_Marc:

What does Tammuz have to do with it? Christmas is a celeberation of Jesus's birth, not Tammuz's, and it's a celebration, period. People don't worship the day. Whatever baggage some people may happen to attach to it isn't relevant, any more than the fact that some people worship God inappropriately means worship of God thus becomes inappropriate for everyone.

christan: I was replying to your reply as it was written. If I got the wrong impression, it was because your wording was less than clear.
---StrongAxe on 12/4/12


JMarc, looking at the things you say to me, and reading them with a candid mind, many people would have a different idea from yours about just who is persecuting whom.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/4/12


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\\holly, wreath, mistletoe ,Rudolph, Santa claus,and Christmas tree, and were never mentioned in scripturue!\\

And when did I say I ever did ANY of these things, JMarc?

I specifically said I don't indulge in them early on in this thread.

Saint Nicholas, of course, thank God for on his feast days of 6 December and 9 May, but these have nothing to do with the Nativity.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/4/12


Cluny,"Do your own homework. It's in there." You supply the scripture evidence! You mock those who give you truth & it's a form of persecution believers have endured since Abel!Christmas, holly, wreath, mistletoe ,Rudolph, Santa claus,and Christmas tree, and were never mentioned in scripturue! The early apostate church adopted pagan winter solstice observances, lacing them into professing Christianity The 4th century! Jeremiah 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen
---J_Marc on 12/4/12


\\Pharisees said the same thing to Jesus and quoted Bible verses to Him all the time.// WHERE IN SCRIPTURE ?????
---J_Marc on 12/3/12\\

Do you not read the Gospels, J_Marc?

Do your own homework. It's in there.

Apparently you don't know how to apply the Scriptures to your own advantage, but only to attack other people.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/4/12


Cluny on 12/3/12"You [me?] do NOT give the truth." MY [J_Marc]OPINION DOES'NT MATTER! God's [YA the real one] does! i just quote scripture! Psa. 119:103 How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth! [i love the word of God]

104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way. [i do too ]

105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. [Thank you LORD]

106 I have sworn, and I will perform it, that I will keep thy righteous judgments. [even when most others won't]
---J_Marc on 12/4/12


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-Cluny, i just tryed to show you the truth in the Bible! my heart breaks for you, my family and the fallen churches.
"These pitiful attempts here to lay [//guilt trips//??] on me will fail," 2nd Cor.7:9 Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.

10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
---J_Marc on 12/4/12


"The logic of your last post totally escapes me. Cluny said (paraphrased) "we don't celebrate eucharist daily (as Catholics do)" StrongAxe

You may like to read Cluny's reply slowly and in detailed. He said "we don't celebrate eucharist daily (as Catholics do)". Daily here does not mean the Orthodox DO NOT "celebrate the Eucharist". What it means, they do it only maybe once a week or lesser than the daily. The issue is not how many times but the Eucharist, which itself is being celebrated. The Eucharist is completely unscriptural, that's my point!

Now you know why it "totally escapes you"? You don't understand the issue before opening your "wise" mouth.
---christan on 12/4/12


These pitiful attempts here to lay guilt trips on me will fail, because there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, to Whom be glory.
---Cluny on 12/4/12


StrongAxe, "Just which evil pagan god does Xmas celebrate? Inquiring minds want to know!"
Historically, Nimrod was identified with Tammanz, the sun god. Depicted by a sacred tree that was cut down, then a young tree was found in it's place. This represented the rebirth of Nimrod the sun god. The enemy paved the way to Madonna and child worship with many counterfeit representations, including Isis and Osirus (Egpyt) , also Nimrod and Semirus! Christ is not to be worshiped as a little babe in his mothers arms, but as LORD!
---J_Marc on 12/4/12


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strongaxe,"So, how do you worship? If you worship alone, Jesus isn't there, because he said he would be there whenever 2 or 3 are gathered together in his name." Amen! John4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. My wife & i observe Sabbath!1 John 4:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
---J_Marc on 12/4/12


christan:

The logic of your last post totally escapes me. Cluny said (paraphrased) "we don't celebrate eucharist daily (as Catholics do)". You said this PROVES Orthodoxy is no different as Catholicism.

This is the same as saying "humans don't have tails like dogs", and concluding "this PROVES humans and dogs are no different". Doesn't this seem absurd?


Follower_of_Christ:

You said: churches calling themselves Christian cannot help but participate in the world and its ways.

Does this mean that we should ONLY join churches that do NOT call themselves Christian?


J_Marc:

Just which evil pagan god does Xmas celebrate? Inquiring minds want to know!
---StrongAxe on 12/3/12


scripture quoted correctly...yet they were wrong.

Joh 8:4 they said to him, "Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery.
Joh 8:5 Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do you say?"
Joh 8:6 This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground.
Joh 8:7 And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her."
---aka on 12/3/12


"You are NOT being persecuted when people don't acknowledge the spiritual superiority YOU HAVE CONFERRED UPON YOURSELF." Cluny

Maybe you like to speak for yourself before accusing others of "conferring themself".

"Actually, "transubstantiation", with the Aristotelian distinction between substance and accidents is generally not accepted by Orthodox" Cluny

"GENERALLY"? I was hoping you would say, "it's rejected". But I'm sure there are "minority" in your Orthodox that accepts the practice of it's "mother church". Afterall you do have "relics" and many other objects that resembles the RC practices, isn't it?
---christan on 12/3/12


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Haz, and you wonder why I don't participate in these kinds of blogs?
---NurseRobert on 12/3/12


//\\ i am not in error when i give scripture evidence! \\

Pharisees said the same thing to Jesus and quoted Bible verses to Him all the time.// WHERE IN SCRIPTURE ?????
---J_Marc on 12/3/12


\\CRUEL MOCKINGS and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:\\

Oh, boo the hoo, JMarc.

1. You are NOT being persecuted when people don't acknowledge the spiritual superiority you have conferred upon yourself.

2. You do NOT give the truth.

3. You are NOT on the spiritual level of the people referred to in Hebrews 11.

4. When mahometans burn down your house, or inflict physical harm upon you, THEN you can say you are being persecuted. In the mean time, you are merely whining, and will fold over when TRUE persecution comes.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/3/12


\\ i am not in error when i give scripture evidence! \\

Pharisees said the same thing to Jesus and quoted Bible verses to Him all the time.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/3/12


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Heb 11:36 And others had trial of
CRUEL MOCKINGS and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment://You're actually being persecuted when [I merely point out your errors], are you?// You are not mererly pointing out any thing! i am not in error when i give scripture evidence! You mock those who give you truth & it's a form of persecution believers have endured since Abel!
---J_Marc on 12/3/12


\\ And that's because you just confirmed that your Orthodox faith is no different to that of the RCs.\\

Did you read these words of mine from an earlier post?
" If you think that Orthodox are just like Roman Catholics, then you clearly know nothing about either."

Actually, "transubstantiation", with the Aristotelian distinction between substance and accidents is generally not accepted by Orthodox, So again, you prove that you do not know what you are talking about.

Of course, your having the New Testament makes you similar to Roman Catholics, but that doesn't seem to bother you.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/3/12


"I didn't say we didn't have the Eucharist. I said that we did not usually celebrate it DAILY." Cluny

So then, I don't need to make any apologies. And that's because you just confirmed that your Orthodox faith is no different to that of the RCs. Just because you don't have the Eucharist "DAILY" doesn't make you different from the RCs. And I am very sure than that you believe in the "transubstantiation" of the Eucharist, am I not right?

If you do, it's bad news for you and that's because the Holy Bible does not teach "transubstantiation". It's a very unique and RC thing. And RCs are most definitely no Christians but false christians.
---christan on 12/3/12


\\Cluny, not having the Eucharist doesn't make you different from the RCs\\

I didn't say we didn't have the Eucharist.

I said that we did not usually celebrate it DAILY.

Can you not read with comprehension?

Of course, the very fact you have a Bible makes YOU similar to the Roman Catholics, but that fact doesn't seem to have bothered you.

Just today, Christians were killed in Nigeria by Boko Haram and churches burned, but you think that when you are pointed out to be in error, you think you are being persecuted.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/2/12


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Cluny, not having the Eucharist doesn't make you different from the RCs. Many "churches" will tell you they don't have a "graven image of Christ" on the crucifix just like the RCs. The "cross" without the "image" in itself is a "graven image", with or without someone on it.

God explicitly commanded, "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God"

That includes the crucifix your Orthodox church I am sure has. See your similarity to the RCs?
---christan on 12/2/12


Cluny: Even though some of the people here are attacking you over the number of books in the Bible, since this is actually a discussion about the Christmas tree, would it not be better to leave this for another blog?

As a not, the Septuagint (which was the standard translation in the day's of Jesus) does NOT have the same number of books as out OT does, but there must have been some good reason to only use the 66...... - for those churches that do!
---Peter on 12/2/12


\\Thank you so much for persecuting me.\\

You're not so vain as to think you're actually being persecuted when I merely point out your errors, are you?

If you want to see persecution, look at Christians living in mahometan countries. See how they are murdered, dismembered, and their homes, business, and churches destroyed.

THAT is persecution.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/2/12


\\Well, too bad for your orthodox or RC dogmas that as it stands 99.9% Bibles used worldwide consists of only sixty-six books.\\

The majority can be wrong, christan.

And you've not caught on YET that I'm Orthodox, have you?

Besides daily Roman Catholic missals consist of large portions of the Bible.

Orthodox generally do NOT have a daily Eucharist. If you think that Orthodox are just like Roman Catholics, then you clearly know nothing about either.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/2/12


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Cluny, I'm rejoicing because of my reward in Heaven. Thank you so much for persecuting me. Matt 5:10-12 "Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed ae you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you." By the way, does John Mark (the writer of the book of Mark) have the mark of the beast because of his name?
---J_Marc on 12/2/12


" The full Bible has more than 66 books. Why do you cut some out?" Cluny

Well, too bad for your orthodox or RC dogmas that as it stands 99.9% Bibles used worldwide consists of only sixty-six books. And anyways, since when do you guys even use the Holy Bible? I thought your teachings were dictated by the Pontifax and Vatican via the Daily Missal?

"The NT was still being composed at the time that verse was written. Who determined what Christian writings were indeed "given by inspiration of God"?"

GOD through His Almighty gift of FAITH!
---christan on 12/1/12


Family,bless once again well written & well, right on time.bro.WillieC. thankyou! your post here 11/30/2012. God bless everyone! Love of JESUS! ELENA
---ELENA on 12/1/12


\\Ruben, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God" includes Genesis to Revelation (ie the complete Holy Bible of sixty-six books) and not only the OT as you imply.\\

1. The full Bible has more than 66 books. Why do you cut some out?

2. The NT was still being composed at the time that verse was written. Who determined what Christian writings were indeed "given by inspiration of God"?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/1/12


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Ruben, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God" includes Genesis to Revelation (ie the complete Holy Bible of sixty-six books) and not only the OT as you imply. If it was ONLY the OT that's "given by the inspiration of God", what becomes of the NT? "Inspiration of man"?

In James 1:3-4 as you quoted, the keyword is not "steadfast" BUT "FAITH". That is, if the "faith" you think you have is from God, you will indeed "persevere" till the end of your life. "Without faith, it's impossible to please the Lord". "Steadfast" is the action/consequence of God's gift of "faith" to His people.
---christan on 12/1/12


\\Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil, that put darkness for light, and light for darkness, that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! \\

But that's exactly what you do all the time, JMarc.

You even think you are inspired by the Holy Spirit, as you have said elsewhere.

If "Santa" is an anagram for "Satan," and "Nick" is another name for the devil, then YOUR name stands for "Marc of the Beast."

See where your reasoning leads?

Glory to JEsus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/1/12


churches calling themselves Christian cannot help but participate in the world and its ways. Satan is the head of most of the churches claiming Christianity. If the church is following a tradition of men and not the examples the Lord and Apostles left they are not led by the Lord. All they have is the Lords name on their lips, they are far from him. The Lord told his followers to come out of the world its ways, its customs. If you choose to stay within the world you have rejected the Lord who asked why call me Lord and not do as I say? holy scripture states you cannot take any evil thing and make it good. Those who stay in churches who choose to practice the worlds traditions are in idolatry and deceived, per holy scripture.
---Follow_of_Christ on 12/1/12


for all of you who don't like christmas, do not like it at all or you are just a hypocrite.

-refuse any extra time off with your employer. otherwise, they are forcing a pagan religion on you. you can sue them, because they are not christian.

-do not partake in any family/friends' holiday feasts or gatherings.

-do not say merry christmas or happy holidays to anyone or you participate in their evil.

-anywhere there is a christmas tree/holiday display, flee. if you do not, the devil will not either.
---aka on 11/30/12


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\\Where has all the greed,covetousness,and meteralism of this pagan holiday wraped in "christian" paper lead us?
---J_Marc on 11/30/12\\

Christmas has nothing to do with Artemis (Diana).

And if you think you are making a stand for God by writing "Xmas", you're not. "X" is an ancient abbreviation for Christ, from the Greek XPICTOC.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/30/12


Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil, that put darkness for light, and light for darkness, that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Sorry, i don't see christmas as a good thing! Where has all the greed,covetousness,and meteralism of this pagan holiday wraped in "christian" paper lead us?
---J_Marc on 11/30/12


People all my life called Xmas good, i discovered it was evil! In Acts 19 Paul had to confront Demetrius who made and sold shrines of Dianna (a deamon god) at a great profit. HE took many Ephesians away from the ecomonic trade that surrounded pagan observances! An uproar happened when Christians repented & the merchandising of Dianna suffered! Acts 20:21 Repentance was taught to the Ephesians.Repentance of pagan practices!
---J_Marc on 11/30/12


\\aith who? You? Or God? Most definitely not God. For He commanded in Exodus 20:
\\

I've never met ANYONE who worshipped Christmas trees. What's more, you haven't either.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/30/12


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Yes, ones are saying that December 25 is the pagan birthday for their sun god, or something like this.

Well, Satan does not own any days. All is for how God pleases to use each day. If God pleases to use December 25 for celebrating the birth of His son, instead of pagans and their sun god . . . (c:

We were born again to now be used by God. So, like this, a day of the year can be born again for the Son instead of the sun god, I can see (c:

But, of course, Satan will try to mess it up, and ones will claim he represents what Christians are doing. The counterfeit stuff does not represent us, though (c:
---willie_c: on 11/30/12


Ruben:

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God," 2 Timothy 3:16,17

Christan,

First of all Paul says 'All' and not ' only .

Second of all Paul is referring to the OT "and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings:V 15-

James writes in 1:3-4 "for you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness. And let steadfastness have its full effect, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing .

Does that mean that only being steadfast is necessary?

"hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.( 2 Thess 2:15-17)
---Ruben on 11/30/12


i "point out how horrible everyone is who disagrees"2nd Corinthians 7:9-11 Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing. For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death. For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.
---J_Marc on 11/30/12


Ruben:

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Timothy 3:16,17

"...If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." Revelation 22:18,19

You might want to change your status from a "believer" to an "unbeliever".
---christan on 11/29/12


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" Jeremiah is NOT violated." Cluny

Saith who? You? Or God? Most definitely not God. For He commanded in Exodus 20:

4 "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth."

5 "Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,"

7 "Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain."
---christan on 11/29/12


As I said before, Christmas trees and such seasonal decorations are matters of supreme indifference to me, as I don't put them up.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/29/12


As long as you observe one of the following prohibitions:

1. Don't cut the tree down yourself with an axe. If you must cut it down yourself, use a saw or chisel or even beavers.

2. Don't use silver or gold. Red, green, even platinum and copper are acceptable as ornaments.

3. Don't fasten it with nails.

4. Don't use a real tree, but an artificial simulacrum.

Jeremiah is NOT violated.

We don't put up Santa or Rudolph, or even Olive, the other reindeer.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/29/12


John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Question: Is it true that Jesus was born on December 25th?

Who decided that December 25th should be celebrated as Jesus birth day?

How did they decide that December 25th was Jesus birthday?

If it is not rooted in TRUTH it cannot be accepted by Jesus

Revelation 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie:
---francis on 11/29/12


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??At" my" ?? church a Christmas tree, decorated with "Christian symbols"??, and a creche are set up in the "parish hall""??.//
Christmas, holly, wreath, mistletoe ,Rudolph, Santa claus,and Christmas tree, and were never mentioned in scripturue! The early apostate church adopted pagan winter solstice observances, lacing them into professing Christianity The 4th century! Jeremiah 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen
---J_Marc on 11/29/12


For nowhere in the Scriptures does it even breathe of such a command to celebrate the "birthday" of Christ. No where!
---christan on 11/29/12

Where in scripture does it tell us everything has to be in the BIble to be true?
---Ruben on 11/29/12


\\Cluny thats funny since paganism is about man-made traditions\\

Et reliqua.

Wrong again, as in everything else you say.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/29/12


i see it as a non-issue. we are not teaching pure christianity anyway.

with/without the trees, 99.99% of churches are teaching varying degrees of Judeo-Christianity, which is not the same Christianity as Paul was commissioned to teach.
---aka on 11/28/12


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The verse in Jeremiah is not talking about Christmas trees and never has been, as Christmas trees weren't invented until after the Protestant reformation by German Christians.

Something invented by Christians is by definition not heathen or pagan.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/28/12


"Jeremiah is NOT talking about Christmas trees." Cluny

Of course it's not talking about "Christmas trees". BUT that's because the tradition of such heathen practice goes way back into the OT before the Vatican even existed and was called "Christmas"!

The name of such a practice is immaterial - it's the act of tree cutting and decorating it as described in Jeremiah in such detail that's an abomination to the Lord.

Anyways, when is "Christmas" even a Christian thing? Just because one says it's the birth of Christ doesn't make it Christian. For nowhere in the Scriptures does it even breathe of such a command to celebrate the "birthday" of Christ. No where!
---christan on 11/29/12


simple answer:
How did this celebration on December 25 actually start?
Did it start with a group of Christian believers because of the birth of Jesus?

If it did start because of the birth of Jesus, then like the feast of Purim and feast of lights, it is acceptable.

If it started as a pagan tradition to worship Tammuz, then please do not offer it to Jehovah, TREE OR NO TREE
---francis on 11/29/12


Cluny thats funny since paganism is about man-made traditions. In my bible God is not the author of confusion. Christ was not born in winter, or the 25th of December, Cesare Borgia was. Christ is not depicted through this medium because he was not hung on a Christmas tree. Christmas trees are traditionally set around decorating them with silver balls and Gold trimmings. Where is it written in his word that this practice is what you should promote in a place claimed to worship him.

2 Chronicles 7:14
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.
---Carla on 11/29/12


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A nativity scene has The Greater Meaning for Christmas.

A decorated holiday tree, has NO true meaning. It does have meaning in foolish hearts.
---Lawrence on 11/29/12


"Are we teaching about Christ or paganism?"

Most definitely not about who the true Christ is anyways. With the tree, one isn't teaching about paganism but is telling the world they're pagans or as Scripture says, heathens.

"Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen... For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold, they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities."
Jeremiah 10:2-4,8.
---christan on 11/28/12


This has already been done to death elsewhere. Jeremiah is NOT talking about Christmas trees.

At my church a Christmas tree, decorated with Christian symbols, and a creche are set up in the parish hall.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/28/12


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