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HappyLDS: All the cults have parallels with Christianity, it's the Bible that holds up all the cults! Neither the Koran nor the BoM would have existed without the Bible. But the parallels between Mormonism and Islam are they both cast doubt on the Bible - which is very satanic. You will tell me that you trust the Bible, yet you will also tell me that it has been corrupted by men.

Isaiah 55:11 says God's word can reach whoever is willing to listen to Him (Jesus is the bread of life and the living water). God breathed through prophets and writers so as to reach the lost, He doesn't need to worry about His voice being drowned out by men. Is your Mormon god not able to do this? It is a valid question for Muslims too.
---John_II on 12/29/12


Jim - I would refer you to the post I made as an answer to JohnII on 12-27-12.

John II - I've never read the Koran but I know that there are parallels between Islam and Christianity. Honestly, I'm not sure what your point is with your scriptural offering (not being rude,just simple). I offer a few scriptures of my own which I believe support the idea of a necessary restoration:
2 Thessalonians 2:2,3 / Matthew 17:11/ Acts 1:6,7/ Acts 3:19-21 and Revelation 14:6 - we believe that Moroni is that angel.
---HappyLDS on 12/28/12


KarenD -
I never gave your first question any significant thought. I believe that I have a place in heaven. As for works - as James says,"faith without works is dead." I strive to repent daily (I considered that work), I strive to obey the commandments (some are harder work than others for me). I try to love my neighbor as Jesus has commanded (that can be difficult so I would call it work)...the Bible says we will be judged by our works -I believe that my place in heaven just may be determined by my willingness to do those things which are hard and represent my faith in the promise of Jesus Christ. Ultimately my salvation will be gotten through Jesus Christ.
---HappyLDS on 12/28/12


HappyLDS...Do you believe that you won't know for sure that you are going to heaven until you die? Is this why you think you need to constantly do good works?
---KarenD on 12/28/12


HappyLDS: I'm confident you are aware of the striking parallels Mormonism has with Islam, one of them being that both prophets received "the restoration of God's word". Now one verse that I said to a Muslim was Isaiah 55:11

As the rain and the snow come down from heaven, and do not return to it without watering the earth and making it bud and flourish, so that it yields seed for the sower and bread for the eater,
so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.


I ask the same to you: Why would God need to revert to a plan B? If God is the Beginning and the End, then surely He knew a 2nd plan would be needed?
---John_II on 12/28/12




HappyLDS....Do you believe that you can become like God?
---JIM on 12/28/12


Hi Shira -

Please reread my post....I don't believe I can work my way into heaven. I do believe that we are expected to obey the commandments (they aren't called suggestions). I believe that we are expected to repent and true repentance takes work. Could this be the works referred to? As I said, I have been born again as described by Jesus and I have received the gift of the Holy Spirit by the laying on of hands. Thank you for your concern but my understanding of what this life is about gives me much hope and confidence about the future and my place in heaven.
---HappyLDS on 12/28/12


happy lds, we are made in the "image" of God. we have feet, arms, mouth and other body parts like God. God even repented that He had made man so he has a mind too.we are not the sons of god. show me that in your king james bible. If you are not a born again christian you will never experience heaven or the things God has reserved for His people. we are made a little lower than the angels and we know angles are rebellious or at least some were. I am just trying to get you to see the truth here. you will never work your way to heaven because we are corrupt and no matter how hard you try you will never do anything to enter heaven except be born of the spirit.
---shira4368 on 12/28/12


John II - I believe what the Bible says...
That we are created in the image of God (Gen 1:26)
That after Adam and Eve fell,we (humans) became like God (knowing good from evil)(Gen 3:22)
That we are offspring of God
(Acts 17:28)
That God is the Father of our Spirits (Hebrews 12:9)
That we should try to become perfect (Matthew 5:45)
That we can be co-heirs with Christ (Romans 8:14-18)

I hope this answers your question. By the way, the scripture you offered seems to be a little out of context (at least the way I understood it).
---HappyLDS on 12/27/12


Shira -
No, I never said that I view Jesus Christ as "just a man".

I believe that Jesus is the Jehovah of the Old Testament. That he created the earth under the direction of God, the Father. I believe that Jesus is the Firstborn of God and that He offered himself up to be our Savior. That it is through him and by him that I will achieve Salvation. I believe that we will be judged according to our works (obeying the commandments, being baptized,etc) just as we are told in Revelation 20:12-13. This does not mean that I believe I can work my way into heaven!!! I have been "born again" according to the description offered by Jesus to Nicodemus in John 3:3-5 - (I've been baptized by immersion.)
---HappyLDS on 12/27/12




HappyLDS: You say, "I believe that we are all children of God, the Father."

Now you don't just mean Christians and/or Mormons here because you believe that God - who was once a man according to Mormonism - copulated man into existence. However, Jesus Christ said, "You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. ...." - John 8:44

And John says, "This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God, ....
" - 1 John 3:10

Now, do you believe what the Holy Bible says, or are these verses trumped by Mormon teaching/doctrine?
---John_II on 12/26/12


happy lds, lucifer was not conceived of God. he was an angel and he is still called the angel of light. the devil is not the son of God. only the saved are called the sons of God. you cannot show me anywhere in the bible where lucifer was born of God.
---shira4368 on 12/25/12


---HappyLDS on 12/25/12

It was the punctiliousness of a Mormon elder I knew that aided me in my election. I never was persuaded of Mormonisms' validity, even more so now, yet the imitation of true devoutness was convicting to me, a seeker still in bondage to the flesh.

Mormonism has as much claim to revelation as any other sectarian group.

Protestantism is a mongrel religion, and fails miserably to extol the truth in works and doctrine. Most are lost in apostasy and creedalism, making them equal to Mormons.

I have discerned body members in all the sects, Mormons included.

The called and elect of God are among all the sects of Christianity.
---Phil on 12/25/12


happylds, so you think Jesus was only man? where do you get that from. Jesus Christ is the only Son of God. he was 100% man and 100% God. when we are saved, we are adopted into the family of God. we are co-heirs with Jesus Christ. ALL humanity is not the son's of God...only the ones who are born of the Spirit. you will never do enough works to get you to heaven. we are saved by grace unto good works. I am not arguing with you happy lds, I would love for you to be born again and not be misled about the precious Son of God.
---shira4368 on 12/25/12


I answered Jim's questions but apparently they didn't make the cut. I'll try again...

I believe that we are all children of God, the Father. I believe that Jesus (the Son) is the firstborn of the Father AND the only begotten in the flesh. I believe that Lucifer was also a son of God - just as all of us. That would mean we were all once brothers and sisters. Does that mean that Jesus and Lucifer (who was cast out of heaven for rebellion) are equal spiritually? ABSOLUTLEY NOT. The "created being" thing is meant to imply that we value Jesus Christ less than other faiths - it's a complete distortion and just silly. I believe that God the Father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Ghost are separate personages, one in purpose.
---HappyLDS on 12/25/12


Part 2

I believe that my salvation is dependent on Jesus Christ, NOT Joseph Smith. The Bible and the BOM both teach this. As for the Bible - I DO NOT believe it is "untrustworthy". I do believe that is has been translated and interpretted by many different people. I think these blogs are evidence of that if you were to be honest. I believe the KJV to be the most correct. Mormons study the Old Testament and the New Testament as well as the Book of Mormon. I believe that God has always been our God, the He is our Father and that there is a purpose to our lives and that is to progress to become as He is. We will NEVER be equal to Him. I believe that He is a man - a perfect being unlike any of us.
---HappyLDS on 12/25/12


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Part 3

As for who is "saved". Because Christ was resurrected, all of us will be resurrected - we are all saved from death. I believe that we will all be judged according to our works as is taught in the Bible. I believe that there are many churches that have parts of the Gospel. This is why there are so many churches. I believe that much of it has been lost and changed throughout the years. I believe that the complete Gospel of Jesus Christ was restored through (not by) Joseph Smith. I don't say that to offend anyone, It makes sense that there is only one Gospel of Jesus Christ and therefore only one Church of Jesus Christ. Do I think that anyone that isn't Mormon will be in hell? No, I do not.
---HappyLDS on 12/25/12


"Never read or heard of McKeever and Johnson. My father was LDS so I am familiar with the teachings and practices." Scott

I apologize for my error. You use the same tactics and talking points almost identical to the way they do. I will have to trust that you're telling the truth.

There are many answers to your accusation regarding the Book of Abraham - too many to attempt here for people who don't really want the truth anyway. As for the MMM, it was horrific and a dark time in LDS history. No one knows why it occurred. Considering Mormon history - the many hardships that the Mormon people endured at the hands of their neighbors and the government, I think fear probably paid a huge part.
---HappyLDS on 12/25/12


michael e,

my preferences:

NASB

McReynolds' NT interlinear, which is the United Bible Societies' Greek New Testament (third corrected edition) with a NRSV margin.

I also use (sparingly) the HCSB and ESV.

I found an interlinear Septuagint that I want too, just haven't pulled the trigger yet.


All have a some "interpretive tranlsation" where an attempt is made to tell us what it means, not just what it says.

This is necessary, as some idioms, etc would not make sense to us.

The worst are NIV, NLT, and a few others that employ "interpretive tranlsation" at key doctrinal passages

Beware of them
---James_L on 12/25/12


//Get a translation that uses the best manuscripts and modern English
---James_L on 12/24/12//

Which would be what in your thinking ???
---michael_e on 12/25/12


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HappyLDS: U've overlooked JIM's questions. U declared, "I have read the BOM and I know it testifies of Jesus Christ", so:
  1. Do you believe that God Most High was once a man?
  2. Do you believe that Jesus was created and is discrete from God
  3. Do you believe that only the Mormon church is saved?
  4. Do you believe that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers
  5. Do you believe that salvation is in Joseph Smith?
  6. Do you believe that you will be a god one day?
  7. Do you believe that the Bible is untrustworthy?

I haven't read the BofM, like many, so you could save us a lot of time and soul if you answered these questions apolitically. This shouldn't be difficult if this is where your faith lies.
---John_II on 12/25/12


\\dr ward...a phd saying the king james bible has contradictions. I do not have a phd and I know better than that.\\
---shira4368 on 12/24/12

I don't believe he said there were contradictions, he said there were mistranslations, which is absolutely correct.

You come already convinced that the KJV is error-free, a BIG mistake on your part.

Jerome's Latin Vulgate was used in many places, in error.

Translating from a translation is absolutely going to lead to mistranslations.

the KJV is antiquated anyway, using a different English than we use today.

Like the difference between Spanish and Latin. Similar, but still different. Get a translation that uses the best manuscripts and modern English
---James_L on 12/24/12


dr ward I cant imagine someone with a phd saying the king james bible has contradictions. I do not have a phd and I know better than that. where is the contradictions? Isaiah 14:13
---shira4368 on 12/24/12


"Depend on the work of others." HappyLDS

Never read or heard of McKeever and Johnson. My father was LDS so I am familiar with the teachings and practices.

I'm always intrigued by the tremendous effort needed to dismiss or spin issues related to racism, the Mountain Meadows Massacre or the obvious mistranslation of the Book of Abraham that indicates that J. Smith was unable to really translate, what he referred to, as "Reformed Egyptian."

What he described as the story of Abraham was in reality a collection of Egyptian afterlife documents. Little did he know that Egyptologists were finally cracking the hieroglyphics (via the Rosetta Stone) that would expose his "translation" as bogus.
---scott on 12/24/12


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Scott -
It picking out a few scriptures negates the message of the BOM for you then so be it. My guess is that you have never bothered to read it and depend solely on the work of others - like McKeever and Johnson to tell you why you shouldn't. I'm certainly not the one to change your mind. Be happy with your choice and I'll continue to be happy with mine.
---HappyLDS on 12/23/12


"CONSIDERED racist"- HappyLDS

Looking for alternative explanations and complexities in 2 Nephi chapter 5 is special pleading.

The BOM text can be changed from "white" to "pure" but the premise is still very clear: the wickedness of the Lamanites caused a dark skin, a curse, to be placed on them by God.

This puts the God of the BOM squarely at odds with the God of the Bible. It puts the BOM ("the most correct" book on the earth - Joseph Smith) at odds with the Bible itself.

"Peter... said: "In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality. But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him." Acts 10:34 & 35, NKJV
---scott on 12/23/12


Scott - I believe that God has withheld blessings from various people for whatever reason - I don't pretend to understand. Again, there a very few passages (less than five I think) in the BOM which could even be CONSIDERED as racist. I know that the BOM testifies of Christ - because I've actually read it.
---HappyLDS on 12/22/12


HappyLDS says:I have read the BOM and I know it testifies of Jesus Christ.

Does it testify of Jesus Christ who has always existed
with the Father or does it testify of the jesus you belive in. The one who is created and who has satan for a spirit brother.
---JIM on 12/21/12


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"Is this racist? Perhaps"- HappyLDS

Racist on the part of who? (Whom?) The BOM or God himself?

Your wording seems to suggest the later.
---scott on 12/21/12


My answer about the "sick doctrine" regarding baptism for the dead got lost somewhere...here's attempt two.
In Corinthians Chapter 15, Paul is reteaching the Resurrection. In verse 29 he asks why they are baptizing for the dead if they don't believe in the resurrection. He doesn't tell them the practice is wrong. In John 3:5, Jesus says that baptism is a MUST in order to enter the Kingdom of God. Baptism is a physical ordinance and needs to be performed with a physical body - not a spirit. Being baptized on behalf of someone who has died without the ordinance is an act of love and in no way sick. That person decides to accept it or not -free will is still intact on the other side.
---HappyLDS on 12/21/12


First, Brigham Young was a man. As a man he has opinions. Unless our leaders declare a doctrine is directly from God, it is but their opinion.
Second, I think the difference is contextual. The Lamanites were cursed, they were marked so that their seed would not intermingle with the Nephites. Is this racist? Perhaps - I don't concentrate on the few verses that may or may not indicate such. I concentrate on the entire book and not two or three scriptures. The Book testifies of Christ and McKeevers and Johnson try as they may cannot deny it's message. I think the best people to answer the charge of racism and their feelings about it are the black lds - check into their website.
---HappyLDS on 12/20/12


Joseph Smith did not write down any part of the BOM. Oliver Cowdery wrote it down as Joseph Smith told him what to write. A curtain separated them.
---KarenD on 12/20/12


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HappyLDS,

Suggesting that 2 Nephi 30:6 is a reference to "purity" rather than skin color is puzzling when 2 Nephi 5:21, says:

"He had caused the cursing to come upon them...and they had become like unto a flint, wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome...God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them."

Brigham Young said "Inquire of the intelligent of the world whether they can tell why the aborigines...are dark, loathsome, ignorant, and sunken into the depths of degradation...if they...break his covenants...he will put a mark upon them, as in the case of the Lamanites...but...they will become a white and delightsome people." (Journal of Discourses 7:336).
---scott on 12/20/12


I'm sorry KarenD - did I state somewhere that reading the BOM was necessary to be considered Christian? If I did then I mispoke, but you know you are the one who has mispoken. Your anger against the LDS is obvious. The most devout critic of ANY church is an ex member with an axe to grind. I'm not brainwashed, I have read the BOM and I know it testifies of Jesus Christ. To say otherwise is a flat lie and you know it. It's interesting that while many who call themselves "Christian" damn those in other faiths to hell but yet act all offended by a belief that most will achieve a glory in heaven.
---HappyLDS on 12/19/12


Laughing very hard after reading HappyLDS comment about reading the BofM with a prayerful heart. This is typical LDS dogma and brainwashing. There are millions of Christians in the world who have never read the BofM and are still Christians, yet LDS doctrine says these devout Christians, including martyrs will not enter the celestial kingdom because they are not LDS. Of course, this is unless an LDS member has been baptized in proxy for them. Now this is a real sick doctrine. Nobody else can accept Jesus for you or be baptized for you. Think about that HappyLDS and you might see the light.
---KarenD on 12/19/12


Archeological evidence has been found for the Bible. "Coins of the Bible" are a not uncommon exhibit in museums.

Why is there no archeological evidence for the BOM, or no coins mentioned therein?

\\...They all seem to be KJV based with some additions and omissions and twisting of meaning.\\

michael, all Biblical translations start with the original Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew, with reference to other old versions.

Believe it or not, Biblical translation is not the cut and dried thing many people imagine it to be. But this is too complex a topic to be handled in 125 words on computer boards.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/19/12


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looks to be very little differences in the bom and our"modern day" versions

They all seem to be KJV based with some additions and omissions and twisting of meaning.
---michael_e on 12/19/12


And how about the verses added in 1980 or so? Or when "white and delightsome" skin became "pure and delightsome"?
---Cluny on 12/12/12

Two things to note. First, the change was initially made in the 1840 edition of the BOM. The 1837 European edition was used in newer editions and the 1840 changed was pretty must lost until 1981. The second thing to note is that "white" was once used as a synonym for pure. For example, what is.was a white wedding gown to symbolize? The message in the BOM is that there is no way back to the Father but through Christ. The BOM is a record of people on this continent and their experiences. Reading it with a prayerful heart could change your life.
---HappyLDS on 12/17/12


\The Puritans objected to the earlier translations\\

Actually, the Puritans objected to the BISHOP'S Bible, which translation was used for the Epistles and Gospels in the Book of Common Prayer, not to the Geneva Bible, which also predates the KJV, and which they themselves had made.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---cluny on 12/13/12


\\Just because the translators were members of the Church of England does not make them all Christians. \\

In other words, KarenD, you cannot give the actual names of any non-Christians involved in translating the KJV.

You are just assuming that some of them were not.

Well, you know what you do when you ass-ume.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/12/12


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\\About the same number of changes as the niv
---michael_e on 12/12/12\\

With this exception: None of the translators of the NIV or even KJV claimed to be especially inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/12/12


//the "4000" changes - they were mostly grammatical. Joseph Smith translated it//

About the same number of changes as the niv
---michael_e on 12/12/12


\\As far as the "4000" changes - they were mostly grammatical. Joseph Smith translated it and had very little education.\\

But he translated it under divine inspiration you tell us. Why didn't God lead him to use proper grammar to start with?

And how about the verses added in 1980 or so? Or when "white and delightsome" skin became "pure and delightsome"?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/12/12


The US Treasury Department trains it's agents by having them study real currency. They study the real stuff until they know it completely. They don't study forgeries. There are too many variables. By studying the real thing until they know the smallest detail of each bill they then can recognize a forgery quickly.

We should study the true word of God the same way. Why study a forgery?

Rev22:18 & 19!!!
---trey on 12/11/12


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I think the only thing to fear from reading the Book of Mormon is that you may come to realize that you've been lied to by people who CLAIM to have read it. It appears there are many! The Book of Mormon is truly what it says it is - Another Witness of Jesus Christ. Speaking ill of Joseph Smith doesn't make it less true. As far as the "4000" changes - they were mostly grammatical. Joseph Smith translated it and had very little education. You may be surprised, give it a read.
---HappyLDS on 12/11/12


\\The Puritans objected to the earlier translations, so King James gave the translators instructions to guarantee that the translation would reflect the structure and doctrine of Church of England. This in itself says that the translation was done to teach Church of England doctrine.\\

There were Puritans among the translators of the KJV. They had not yet separated from the Church of England.

But what makes you think that all the Puritans were necessarily Chritians?

In fact, what are your criteria for determining who is a Christian and who is not?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/11/12


Just because the translators were members of the Church of England does not make them all Christians. The Puritans objected to the earlier translations, so King James gave the translators instructions to guarantee that the translation would reflect the structure and doctrine of Church of England. This in itself says that the translation was done to teach Church of England doctrine.
---KarenD on 12/11/12


KarenD, I'm also curious who the translators were not Christian?
Concerning the KJV, first there are different versions of the KJV's. New one, Old one, and those where translations were the best at the time the Bible was put together. Other Bibles by different writers use words that were better in the English language then those used before. No Bible is perfect, because all were translated by someone. And no man is infallible. The originals are the word of God, though not many have them all. All we have to do is have a few different visions and if we are of the Spirit, we will know the Truth. The Spirit will convince our hearts if our intention is right. Not like the Mormons or witnesses who look for words that can change the Truth to a lie.
---Mark_V. on 12/11/12


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\\The translators of the KJV were not all Christians.
---KarenD on 12/9/12\\

Who among the KJV translators were not, KarenD? Can you give their names?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/10/12


There is one true God, yet many false gods. There is one true Church, consisting of true believers in Christ, yet there are many false churches. So why do you think it's so wrong to teach that there is one true Bible, yet many false "bibles"?
---michael_e on 12/10/12


Cluny...It still amazes me that some people think King James is a Biblical character. Only the original Greek and Hebrew text were the inspired version. Any other traslations were made by man with potential for error. Just because some preacher says the KJV is the inspired version, does not make it so. The translators of the KJV were not all Christians.
---KarenD on 12/9/12


\\cluny, the kjv isn't mutlilated. where is the mutilation? like I said, my king james bible is the only one in my home. oh, I do have the 1611 with the apocraphy.\\

OK. So you do have the full KJV.

But are you aware there are several revisions of it? The latest British one was in 1769. The lastest American one was by ABS, normalizing it according to American spellings.

Which is the INSPIRED KJV? And why is that recension more inspired than other ones?

And you've not dealt with the issue of whether the KJV is more inspired than the original languages.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/8/12


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I do not use the KJV due to the mistranslations located in it. There is not Lucifer in the Hebrew only in the latin translation used by the KJV translators.
---Dr._David_M._Ward on 12/8/12


cluny, the kjv isn't mutlilated. where is the mutilation? like I said, my king james bible is the only one in my home. oh, I do have the 1611 with the apocraphy.
---shira4368 on 12/8/12


\\the only bible allowed in my home is the truly inspired version called the king james bible.
---shira4368 on 12/8/12\\

Which recension, shira?

And do you have the complete KJV or the mutilated version?

And is the KJV more inspired than the original Greek and Hebrew?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/8/12


the only bible allowed in my home is the truly inspired version called the king james bible.
---shira4368 on 12/8/12


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shira4368...Yes, "The Inspired Version" of the Bible was one of the three books on the coffe table in my family's home when I was growing up.
---KarenD on 12/7/12


karen, mormons still reel people in with the king james bible. I know a guy who is mormon and he has the king james bible on disc. have you ever watched the commercial about mormons giving a king james bible away? actually I didn't know joseph smith wrote his own bible. there was a guy on here called eloy and he is writing his own bible. it amazes me to see men trying to improve on the Holy Words of God.
---shira4368 on 12/7/12


Most LDS do not even realize that Joseph Smith translated his own version of the Bible. It is called "The Inspired Version" and is used by a faction of the original church. They don't use it because the Smith family owned to copyright. Smith changed one passage to include the name Joseph as a future prophet. He also changed the Lord's prayer.
---KarenD on 12/7/12


Paul says, "I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some." (in 1 Corinthians 9:22) Paul would be "as a Jew", "as under the law", "as without law", "as weak" (1 Corinthians 9:19-23) > he would be "as" the person he was reaching to (c: So, I can see the point of knowing some Mormon stuff in order to reach a Mormon.

But I can just get to know the Mormon with whom I am talking, and see what that person understands, then talk about how this compares with the Bible.

"Oh, but we believe in the Bible."

"But if you are the same as others, why do you need the name Mormon?"
---willie_c: on 12/7/12


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mormons promote the King James bible but then they reel you in with their own doctrines. They believe you must be good and good works will get you in heaven. that is why I voted for Romney. He is a good person and I believe he is honest. our country would be doing a lot different if Romney had won the election.
---shira4368 on 12/6/12


Q: Why are people so afraid of the Book of Mormon?
A:The issue is not fear of it.

It would only be necessary to read when evangelizing Mormons.

My field is not primarily evangelism., but Biblical study apologetics within Christian fellowship.
---jan4378 on 12/6/12


//Joseph Smith was visited by an angel who showed him where there was more of God's revelation,...

And that in itself may be doubtful as Joe Smith was really a conartist and invented the religiou to serve his own purposes.

Much of that is brought out in the book Mormonism 101 by Kleever where Mormon historians reveal much of the character of Smith.

After quoting Mormon historains to my relative, she told me she felt like boiling her computer. But she did not challenge any specifics.
---e.lee7537 on 12/6/12


The ironic thing is that you won't find mormonoid doctrine in the BoM.

That's because it contradicts many points of it.

TRUE mormonoid doctrine is found in the latest version of Doctrine and Covenants.

And in the 1980's, the BoM was changed, with verses that had been in no previous edition, when Eldrige Cleaver was flirting with mormonoidism.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/6/12


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DeBthrej, I believe if someone wants to argue against a false doctrine they should not argue against it unless they know what the false doctrine teaches. Many here argue about Calvinism or Arminianism and don't even know what they teach. Or they argue against the RCC and only know of one or two things against them, and when they cannot answer a question put to them, they get mad. There is hundreds of things wrong with the Mormon religion, but the biggest and most important doctrine they have wrong is, they believe in another jesus similar to the Jehovah Witnesses. A non-scriptural jesus.
---Mark_V. on 12/5/12


I pointed out to my Mormon relative that the Book of Mormons states that God is unchangeable. However, Mormon prophets believe that God was once a man like ourselves but evolved into His present state. That would be that God was changeable. My Mormon relative did not have an answer to this problem. There are other problems with the Book of Mormons and the Mormon prophets.

Best reading: Mormonism 101 by Bill McKeever & Eric Johnson will give you all you will ever need to know about Mormomism.
---e.lee7537 on 12/4/12


Why would you fear any Doctrine of Demons?

Joseph Smith was visited by an angel who showed him where there was more of God's revelation, meaning that either God changed His mind, or the angel was fallen and Galatians 1:8 stands:

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!

So serious is this that it is promptly repeated:

1:9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!
---John_II on 12/4/12


"Most interesting to me are the various putdowns of females, and the belief that each Mormon male at death will be given his own planet to reign over as king."
---Geraldine on 12/3/12

Yes, the Mormons do not consider women equal to men. In fact, they believe that a woman only goes to the highest level of heaven if she is sealed in marriage to a Mormon man in the temple. However, the part about the Mormon male being given his own planet is not in the Book of Mormon although it is a teaching of the Mormon church.
---KarenD on 12/3/12


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I did read the Book of Mormon, because I wanted info from the source, not an opinion from others. And it helps witness to Mormons. Most interesting to me are the various putdowns of females, and the belief that each Mormon male at death will be given his own planet to reign over as king.
---Geraldine on 12/3/12


I read the Book of Mormons because I had a dialogue with a Mormon relative. I believe the book was largely written by a Methodist minister in Iowa in an attempt to make some money as nearly all in the book is Bible except the last book which indicates another author.

There are problems with what the Book of Mormons teaches that conflicts with the teachings of their prophets. My Mormon relative could not explain the differences.

Like ohter cults such as the SDAs, we need to know what they believe from their own sources.
---e.lee7537 on 12/3/12


If people are afraid of the Book of Mormon, fear is wrong. "There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts our fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love." (1 John 4:18)

So, it also is wrong for Mormons to be afraid of whatever they are afraid of.

If you correctly understand something, you are not afraid of it. So, if I understand that the Book of Mormon is not God's word, I will not be afraid of it but will stay with all we have in God's word. I will not waste energy in fear but "Test all things, hold fast what is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21) No need to be afraid, but be wise to what is wrong.
---willie_c: on 12/3/12


I have tried to read the book of Mormon, but I found the writing style so close to the KJV of the bible, that I was concerned that i may confuse the two. That I may recall text from the book of mormon thinking it was the KJV of the bible, so I stopped reading it

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things, hold fast that which is good.
---francis on 12/2/12


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I don't know anyone at all who is afraid of reading the book of Mormon. I know people who were Mormons who are now saved by the Grace of God and now know Jesus as their Saviour.

Personally, as I received the truth 50 years ago, I have no desire to read a false book but I do know many of the things in the book from those who were once misled by it.

I don't have enough time to read all that would enlighten me so I won't waste time reading the words of Satan.
---Rita_H on 12/2/12


DeBarthej...I have read the Book of Mormon when I was an RLDS member. I'm not afraid of it. Jesus set me free from that work of fiction. Why are you afraid to accept Jesus Christ as your Savior and admit that Joseph Smith and all the other prophets in Mormonism are false prophets? None of those prophets can save anyone even if they say a person must believe in them to go to Heaven.
---KarenD on 12/2/12


It's full of lies of the devil.
---Trish on 12/2/12


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