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Am I correct in assuming that many here think that THEIR denomination is the only one which is correct and that THEIR version of the bible and THEIR hymn books are the only ones acceptable to God? If so, THEY must also believe that they will be the only ones in Paradise. Won't that be lonely?

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Paul was first apostle to be made aware of our Lord paying for our sins through His death and shed blood?

The blood of Christ was shed for atonement for our sins. This was a mystery, until our risen Lord Jesus Christ revealed it to Paul.

From Matt 16:21-22, Luke 18:33-34, and John 20:9, we know the twelve didn't know Christ was going to die and rise again from the dead. It was hidden from them by God.

Paul received the gospel of grace by direct revelation from Christ.(ref, Gal 1:11-12, He was appointed the apostle of the Gentiles to reveal mysteries previously kept hidden. One of these is the mystery of the gospel. Paul's gospel had been a mystery. It hadn't been known to anyone before God revealed it to him.
---michael_e on 12/9/12


"Ac 20:24 is the only reference to the gospel of the grace of God. It was heralded by Paul alone." Phil

You're so wrong!

"And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, PREACHED BEFORE THE GOSPEL UNTO ABRAHAM, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed." Galatians 3:8

Was Paul in the OT "preaching the Gospel unto Abraham"? So, who "preached the Gospel to Abraham"? It was GOD! For Abraham was a heathen that was saved by grace through faith, in God. The Christian today believe in Christ is like Abraham believing in God. For Christ is God!

The whole Bible declares that salvation is only by grace!
---christan on 12/9/12


"You follow human tradition according to the elemental spirits of the word. I follow tradition according to Christ." Cluny

And the Holy Bible teaches you to pluck a date out of nothing and declare it to be the birth day of Christ and be merry, when Isaiah explicitly described Christ as "a man of sorrows".

How about your "transubstantiation" where whatever you have in your ritual turns into the actual "body of Christ"? Where in the Bible does it teaches you of such an occurrence?

These are traditions according to Christ? Ya, right!
---christan on 12/9/12


Ac 20:24 is the only reference to the gospel of the grace of God. It was heralded by Paul alone.

The twelve apostles' gospel was given to them by the Lord while He was with them on earth.

After His resurrection, but before He was glorified, He spoke thoroughly about His gospel with His disciples for forty days {Ac 1:3]. He then was received into heaven and glorified.

The exalted and glorified Christ was sent by the Father to commission Paul directly. This gospel is from God Himself. It does not pertain to the earth, but the heavens.

This is the Gospel we believed in and are saved by, not the one preached while Jesus was on earth.
---Phil on 12/9/12


You follow human tradition according to the elemental spirits of the word. I follow tradition according to Christ.

Now do you understand the difference?
---Cluny on 12/8/12

I follow the traditions laid down in the Bible, you on those which some men say are ascribed to Christ outside of the Bible (Apostolic Tradition).

So, let's see who is following the Spirit of God or the spirits of the world...

...provide such A.T. teaching/doctrine to be tested.

1 John 4:1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, ....

Because, of a certainty, you are here:
Mark 7:8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.
---John_II on 12/9/12




Phil, I took a deep breath and here is my answer to you. When Paul said, you were saved by grace through faith, it was not a new gospel. Those words are not the gospel. All he was saying was how you are saved. The gospel that all Apostles taught was the same gospel. That man are sinners under the curse for rebelling against God, and that only through faith in Jesus Christ death and resurrection can anyone be saved. He died for our sins.
What Paul was actually doing was telling believers that it was by God grace that anyone is save at all. He was not giving a new gospel.
---Mark_V. on 12/9/12


Mat 15:6-9 ... Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.


---jerry6593 on 12/9/12


//And how do you know that you truly believe the correct "gospel of grace," michael_e?//

I can read, the gospel of grace is the gospel revealed to Paul by the risen Christ(ref 1Cor 15:1-4) You don't still keep Christ hanging on the cross, do you, Cluny?
---michael_e on 12/9/12


\\All the church attendance, baptisms, tithing, good works, and so on, will not save them
---michael_e on 12/8/12\\

And how do you know that you truly believe the correct "gospel of grace," michael_e?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/8/12


there are some denominations and churches that teach false gospels, which will lead all of those to their doom, who strictly follow that denomination's teaching. But those who believe the true gospel of grace, and not just whatever their denomination teaches, are saved regardless of the group with which they are associated. Conversely, one's denomination may preach the true gospel of grace. If one believes that gospel, then one has eternal salvation. But if one does not believe it, then one is lost even though the official teaching of one's denomination is correct. All the church attendance, baptisms, tithing, good works, and so on, will not save them
---michael_e on 12/8/12




\\Colossians 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.
---John_II on 12/8/12\\

You follow human tradition according to the elemental spirits of the word.

I follow tradition according to Christ.

Now do you understand the difference?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/8/12


1 Cor 11:2 "maintain the traditions "

2 Thes. 2:15: "either by word of mouth or by letter."

Which tradition is Paul talking about?
---Ruben on 12/7/12

2 Thessalonians 3:6 ... and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us.

I pass them on by word-of-mouth or letter.

But, you know, Ruben, the best way to prove Apostolic Tradition is to post 1 or 2 to see whether they can be ascibed to Jesus Christ...

...or whether they and up here:
Colossians 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.
---John_II on 12/8/12


"A slanderer at work." Phil

You have the audacity to accuse me of being a slanderer when you accuse someone of not being "honest and truthful" when they speak to you. Gee, the pot calling the kettle black.

"This should be noted by those who call upon the Lord out of a pure heart."

Even if they're not "born of the Spirit by the will of God"? That's called, false confession. There are multitudes of "fake christians". Especially if you do not even believe that one has first to be "born of the Spirit to belief in Christ". Here, digest this Truth, "as many as were ordained to eternal life believed" Acts 13:48.
---christan on 12/7/12


"Extend yourself to me in honesty and truth." Phil

How does one "Extend in honesty and truth" to someone who lacks any of it? Everything that has been said to you is nothing but the whole Truth and yet you have rejected all of them.
---christan on 12/7/12

A slanderer at work.

It is interesting that the name of the devil is "slanderer". This should be noted by those who call upon the Lord out of a pure heart.
---Phil on 12/7/12


---willie_c: on 12/7/12

Your remaining faithful to Scripture, and standing upon it, is a sign of maturity. I honor you for this.

Paul was describing his heavenly vision to Agrippa. It is not a teaching, though it is truth.

Sanctification and salvation are not the same. Salvation leading to incorruption is not being merely set apart unto God. It is a new creation. Sanctification is not the new creation in Christ.

The new creation is unfolded and revealed later in Paul's ascendant ministry. Until revealed in 2C 5:17 and Gal 6:15, sanctification kept the saints through grace, until the work of the new creation came.
---Phil on 12/7/12


Jesus says He sent Paul "'"to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me."'" (Acts 26:18)

So, Phil, yes Jesus does say we have been "sanctified by faith in Me." Jesus said this to Paul, and this is why Paul says this to us (c:

And grace, I offer, is the action of God in us to deliver us "from the power of Satan to God", which is what Jesus said to Paul and so Paul has said to us, since Paul is being a good steward of what Jesus said to him.
---willie_c: on 12/7/12


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If you happen to find the right denomination or church don't join or tell anybody because you and I will mess it up.
---Scott1 on 12/7/12


"Extend yourself to me in honesty and truth." Phil

How does one "Extend in honesty and truth" to someone who lacks any of it? Everything that has been said to you is nothing but the whole Truth and yet you have rejected all of them.
---christan on 12/7/12


Ruben: Paul says, "It is written":

Yes, but he also went what was not written :

Acts 20:35-

1 Cor 11:2 "maintain the traditions "

2 Thes. 2:15: "either by word of mouth or by letter."

Which tradition is Paul talking about?

2 Timothy 2:2 " before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also."

Sounds like (Apostolic Succession):)

2 Tim. 3:8: "Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses"

No such person in the OT!

And finally Paul says to the Ephesians " remembering that for three years I did not cease night or day" Acts 20:31) But yet the book of the Ephesians has only 6 chapters.
---Ruben on 12/7/12


TheSeg: You went from my term used "guide" to a not-so-bad term "lead" to a damning term "send", even "send away". I just pray that others recognise your cheap trick, which has all the hallmark of being Romish.


So, John_II
Can you answer me?
Why would the Holy Spirit, who is the one mentioned by Christ to lead you to all truth!

Lead/guide/send or even send you away (whatever word you'd feel at peace with) to a Bible version, church or pastor(man.)

Unless it was to correct that Bible version, church or pastor, after you have received/leaned the truth?

Now you can make light of it.
But you do clearly see he wouldn't!

May God bless you, John_II
Peace
---TheSeg on 12/6/12


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"We are saved by grace through faith."
---Mark_V. on 12/6/12

Extend yourself to me in honesty and truth.

Who spoke this?

Was it Peter? James? John? Jude? Was it Luke, or Matthew? Can you find where even the Lord, our Master, said such a thing?

Tell me truthfully Mark_V. Restrain your impulses for a moment, investigate the whole of Scripture, and tell me, who said we are saved by grace for faith?

There is only one person in all of Scripture that taught this belief you have. Paul, our apostle.

It will not harm you to do the noble thing, and respond to me with good stewardship.
---Phil on 12/7/12


Ruben: O.T., 5 times in 1 Cor 1,2 and 3 Paul says, "It is written": 1:19 (Isa 29:14), 1:31 (Jer 9:24), 2:9 (Isa 64:4), 3:19,20 (Job 5:13, Psalm 94:11). With a 6th assumed at 2:15 (Isa 40:13).

Then at 4:14 Paul says, "I am not writing this..."

Didn't Paul beget us through the Gospel - 4:15?

Wasn't Paul entrusted with the secret things of God - 4:1?

Wasn't the wisdom of God revealed to Paul - 2:7?

Didn't Paul see the Lord Jesus and receive His tutelage - 9:1?

Are we not to follow Paul's model - 4:16?

And doesn't the H.S. then teach us all 2:12?

Evidently we can see, there is no Apostolic Tradition brought by the way of the Popes (Apostolic Succession)
---John_II on 12/7/12


Paradise is just a small part of heaven. Like a park in a very large city.

No one will be lonely. But perhaps those hypothetical believers you refer to might think that heaven will be segregated according to denominational affiliation.
---jan4378 on 12/6/12


Phil, You now say,

"Had you not believed Paul's gospel, you would be awaiting a Jew, as did Cornelius, for authorization to enter the Kindgom of heaven on earth. This is the salvation that Jesus and John preached."

Phil, that is not true at all.
We are saved by grace through faith. Paul didn't have to be there, God had to be there. Faith is the instrumental cause, never once are we told that faith is the meritorious cause, neither is Paul the meritorious cause. It matters not who brought the gospel to us, any of the Apostles, Jesus, your aunt, or friend. Paul was just one instrument God used.
Pauls gospel is the same gospel preached by all Apostles, and took it to the Gentiles.
---Mark_V. on 12/6/12


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Phil, If you have the wrong Jesus, you cannot be save from the curse your in, you need a sacrifice, not just any sacrifice, not just any man, for no man can save another, only God can save ---Mark_V. on 12/6/12

Had you not believed Paul's gospel, you would be awaiting a Jew, as did Cornelius, for authorization to enter the Kindgom of heaven on earth. This is the salvation that Jesus and John preached.

Salvation on earth is of the Jew. Salvation which results in a celestial and heavenly place is gotten through believing Paul's Gospel alone.
---Phil on 12/6/12


John 14:26 .., the Holy Spirit.., will teach you all things ....

And then you will be guided to knowing which Bible version, which church, which pastor...
John_II on 12/5/12

In my life, I have heard some foolish things, but this!
The Holy Spirit of God will lead you to a book, church or man!

The Holy Spirit is God, why would he send you away!
If this is what you believe, then it is not him sending you away.
---TheSeg on 12/5/12

TheSeg: You went from my term used "guide" to a not-so-bad term "lead" to a damning term "send", even "send away". I just pray that others recognise your cheap trick, which has all the hallmark of being Romish.
---John_II on 12/6/12


The bigger question is: If you found the one denomination that is the right one would you become a member or hold on to what you already beleive?

The big question is: You know that if two different denominations are teaching two different things on the same doctrine, that one may be right, or both maybe wrong, but they both cannot be right. Why not use the bible and find out which one is right?

What i woudllike to knoe is: Why do you have difficulty deciding what doctrines are right? why should you go between two opinions?
---francis on 12/6/12


John_II * Now, it actually only states what He did

So you are saying that Jesus only did things and not say a word..Nice wiggle out:)

Paul tell us in Acts 20:35

"and to remember the word of the Lord Jesus, how he said: It is a more blessed thing to give, rather than to receive." But yet there is no scripture found where Jesus said this!

And finally if all we need is the bible, Please show in scripture where Jesus told the Apostles to write everything down and make it the NT?

John_II* His summation: learn from us what it means not to go beyond what is written.

Again I ask:
what was Paul referring? The Talmud? The Mosaic law? The Old Testament Scriptures?
---Ruben on 12/6/12


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I grew up in a church that should have called it self agnostic! I'm now 54, when i was 25, not long after i married my sweet wife i had avery powerful "born again" experance that our familys could not accept! The church we attended didn't believe that God does anything in our time! I had to study the Bible to be able to believe what happened to me really was an experience from the real Christ!
The world,
FALSE BRETHREN, and the enemy have really been attacking people who have heard that real voice!Heb 3:15 "Today if you hear His voice..."
---J_Marc on 12/6/12


Ruben: You declare, "Scripture also tells us not evething Jesus said or done was written" and offer John 21:25

Now, it actually only states what He did

Answer: Human anatomy, the cosmos, the making of everything out of nothing, etc. These are the things that we are learning about Him everyday. Are these things of primary importance as to what saves mankind and gets to know Him personally?

You declare about 1 Cor. 4:6, John knows that when Paul wrote this no NT was out yet, so what was Paul referring to,
...?


The answer is at the end of the previous chapter, yet these are serving as his examples. His summation: learn from us what it means not to go beyond what is written.
---John_II on 12/6/12


Phil, If you have the wrong Jesus, you cannot be save from the curse your in, you need a sacrifice, not just any sacrifice, not just any man, for no man can save another, only God can save him. If Jesus was just a man, there would be no salvation. The Mediator between God and men cannot be God only, or man only. This is taught in Gal. 3:20. "A mediator is not of one, but God is One" The Mediator cannot be simply God who is only one party and has only one nature. The eternal Word must take man's nature into union with Himself if He would be a Mediator between God and men. "Therefore when He (Mediator) cometh into the world, He saith, A body hast Thou prepared for Me" (Heb. 10:5).
---Mark_V. on 12/6/12


\\God of God, light of light...one "substance" with the Father.

What nonesense this is. God has clearly spoken, in definite terms, who He is and His relationship to His Son. \\

Phil, if you don't believe that Jesus Christ is God Incarnate, you don't believe in the REAL Jesus and therefore are not a Christian.

It's no sense, therefore, in discussing what is supposed to be a summary of faith for a believer with you.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/5/12


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John 14:26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

And then you will be guided to knowing which Bible version, which church, which pastor...

For this is true faith.
John_II on 12/5/12


In my life, I have heard some foolish things, but this!
The Holy Spirit of God will lead you to a book, church or man!

The Holy Spirit is God, why would he send you away!
If this is what you believe, then it is not him sending you away.
It is you, who are walking away from him, God!
Gal_3:3-now made perfect by the flesh?
No, Right?

Peace
---TheSeg on 12/5/12


---Cluny on 12/5/12

God of God, light of light...one "substance" with the Father.

What nonesense this is. God has clearly spoken, in definite terms, who He is and His relationship to His Son.

Truth is found in the Holy Writings, not in the councils of apostates. The Nicean and the First Council of Constantinople departed from Paul's teachings entirely by putting forth their opinions above our Apostle.

This is what forms heresy and apostasy in the body of Christ. Departure from Paul as the minister of the Gospel to the nations.

The effect of the Creeds is to embrace ordinances of men, and deny the plain truth of God.
---Phil on 12/5/12


I don't believe you, unless you show me that it is written
John II--

How about this? John 5:39-40
---Cluny on 12/5/12

How about it?

You search the scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life:

Jesus said this to the Jews because they thought they themselves could possess eternal life.

but they testify of me.

What does? Answer: What is written

Yet you will not come to me, that you might have life.

How can one do that? Answer: Jesus Himself showed us:

Luke 24:13-35 (excerpt - 27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.)

Read up Ruben
---John_II on 12/5/12


---Rita_H I am extending an invitation to you to get EVERY DOCTRINE RIGHT
---francis on 12/5/12


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\\"..God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father,"
First Council of Nicea (325)\\

And do you deny that Jesus Christ is this?

Of course the Creeds divide. They divide truth from error, believer from heretic, and Church from non-church.

**I don't believe you, unless you show me that it is written**

John II--How about this?

John 5:39-40

You search the scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life: but they testify of me. Yet you will not come to me, that you might have life.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/5/12


//Why should any one get anything wrong?//
why? the failure to rightly divide the Word of truth.
---michael_e on 12/5/12


Well, in the first place Jesus didn't die for us to have religion. He died so His people can have a personal relationship with the Father through His Son. Also, just prior to His appointed time of arrival from heaven to this world, the world had become so corrupt, the people in it, and worshiping other gods and wrong religions were developing. One true religion, Christianity. One living God, JESUS CHRIST+++
---pat on 12/5/12


John_II* Jesus said, "It is written...it is written...it is written"

Scripture also tells us not evething Jesus said or done was written:

"But there are also many other things which Jesus did, which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written." (Jhn 21:25)


John_II* 1 Corinthians 4:6 ... you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written."

John knows that when Paul wrote this no NT was out yet, so what was Paul referring to,
The Talmud? The Mosaic law? The Old Testament Scriptures?
---Ruben on 12/5/12


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And, of course, how do we know just WHICH books are part of the Bible?
---StrongAxe on 12/4/12

Matthew 6:33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, ....

Jesus didn't say, "Seek first a church" or "seek first a denomination" or "seek first a book"

Try, "Oh Lord, show me thy truth"

And the Holy Spirit shall reveal all:

John 14:26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

And then you will be guided to knowing which Bible version, which church, which pastor...

For this is true faith.
---John_II on 12/5/12


John_II* Who has ever fully exposited the Bible? Bible exposition has never been closer than in Protestantism,
thanks to the Reformation,

Really, the fathers of the Reformation going by the Bible itself believe that Mary had no other children, why is it you don't. Do you know better then they did!
---Ruben on 12/5/12


Many years ago, before Martin Luther, very few people had bibles of their own.
Many yeras ago if you wanted to reference a text it would have taken several days to search and find it through the bible.

Today bibles are freely available to almost everyone.
Today we have computers.

It takes econds to reference a text, subject, or phrase.
Takes minutes to compile a doctrine

Isaiah 4:1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach

People just want to be called christian, because in the west it is a reproach not to be called a christian. But they do not want to walk with God.
---francis on 12/5/12


Cluny on 12/4/12
"Believe it or not, Jesus said that devotion to the Bible can get in the way of faith in HIM," WHERE did HE say that?
---J_Marc on 12/5/12


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---Rita_H on 12/5/12
Why should any one get anything wrong? Is the bible ever wrong? Every single doctrine must be true YESTERDAY TODAY and FOREVER

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrine.

If it is not true yesterday, today, and forever, it is a different and stange doctrien and a false doctrine. problem is people do not wish to submit to God

Isaiah 4:1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.

they want to be called " christian,: without actually being christian
---francis on 12/5/12


---Cluny on 12/4/12

Pretending to retain knowledge is not purposeful. I have read and understand the Creeds. I do not pretend. If I do not know something, I admit it, or say nothing.

Here are some unscriptural "truths" found in the Nicean Creed:
"..God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father,"
First Council of Nicea (325)

The creeds were formed to divide the body of Christ based upon acceptance or denial of doctrine. Their express purpose was to enshrine the opinions of some against the dissenters.
They were wrought out of fleshly pride and ignorance.

Formed in error, they perpetuate it.
---Phil on 12/5/12


Strongaxe, I agree absolutely with what you say on 12/3/12 but many here certainly seem to be giving the impression that if their church has got the tiniest detail wrong all members are hell-bound.

There's little wonder that so many people spend their entire lives "church-hopping". They can never settle anywhere because other people are telling them that wherever they attend "this, that or something else" is against God's law/teaching.

Christianity should give us peace and stability - not a life of constantly looking over our shoulder and comparing ourselves with other Christians.
---Rita_H on 12/5/12


Believe it or not, Jesus said that devotion to the Bible can get in the way of faith in HIM, Who should be the real object of our faith.
---Cluny on 12/4/12

I don't believe you, unless you show me that it is written

Jesus said, "It is written...it is written...it is written"

1 Corinthians 4:6 ... you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written."
---John_II on 12/5/12


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As it ever occur to you , that perhaps believing in sola scripture and sola fide is the reason so many 'Protestants' are diving among each other.
---Ruben on 12/4/12

Who has ever fully exposited the Bible? Bible exposition has never been closer than in Protestantism, thanks to the Reformation, which the efficacy of it shows from where the Reform started, cutting a swathe through the doldrums of the Roman Catholic world across Central Europe, UK, US/Canada and out to the Australia, N.Z., S. Africa. Look at the peace, prosperity and freedom of the Protestant nations against your RCC ones and tell me who knows better.
---John_II on 12/5/12


Bro. Trey, thanks for your words. What is really more surprising is that francis speaks for the law and how important it is to keep the law and he cannot stop calling me an idiot. I guess he answered the question whether he ever sinned or not. He answered it with what is in his heart, sin.
Before the union of churches started by the Catholic Church, no church rule another, no matter what apostle started the churches. Each was independed of the other. The organization of disciples, whether at Jerusalem or Antioch or elsewhere, was called Church. If more than one of these separate organizations were referred to, they were called Churches. The word Church in the singular was never used when referring to more than one of these organizations.
---Mark_V. on 12/5/12


There are many varieties of error, but only one truth. That truth is the one that we all will embrace in heaven. We can know that truth now by searching the Bible with an open mind, rather than insisting that our traditions MUST be correct. Once the truth is found, then search for a denomination that most closely adheres to that truth.


---jerry6593 on 12/5/12


\\Out of the Nicean creed came much heresy and the elevation of men above the word of God\\

Phil, do you know what the Nicene Creed actually says?

Just HOW does it elevate man above the Word of God? Give the exact quote from it. "According to the Scriptures" is one of the key phrases from it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/4/12


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MarkV, I originally wrote this post to francis, but that's a lost cause. Please keep this in mind:

Mt5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

Lord bless you brother. Stand fast in the liberty and understand you've been given.
---trey on 12/4/12


but in sola scripture and sola fide. Since then, Satan has been dividing the Protestant church,
---John_II on 12/4/12

As it ever occur to you , that perhaps believing in sola scripture and sola fide is the reason so many 'Protestants' are diving among each other. After all one Protestant says infants should be baptized ( Luther, Calvin) another one says it is unbiblical (Baptists and Evangelicals). And both groups go by bible only which btw is not taught in scripture, just saying!
---Ruben on 12/4/12


\\A Christian is a Bible adherent, where his/her faith is not in the church, not in a denomination, not in a pastor, but in sola scripture and sola fide.\\

Believe it or not, Jesus said that devotion to the Bible can get in the way of faith in HIM, Who should be the real object of our faith.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/4/12


John_II:

You said: A Christian is a Bible adherent, where his/her faith is not in the church, not in a denomination, not in a pastor, but in sola scripture and sola fide.
Note that the Bible itself never teaches Sola Scriptura. In New Testament times, for example, "scriptura" was the Old Testament only, yet people obeyed the (necessarily extra-biblical) traditions passed down through the Apostles. Paul himself spoke about "traditions".

And, of course, how do we know just WHICH books are part of the Bible? That list is itself an extra-biblical tradition (and there are several of them - e.g. some accept the Apocrypha and some don't).
---StrongAxe on 12/4/12


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9999 different denomination we all know in our hearts of heart there is only ONE TRUE church

It is not that had to figure out

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Rev 12:17 the remnant: which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 14:12 The saints: they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

find that denomination, and you will find the one true church of God

When you find it God says:
2 Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them ( the 9999), and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing, and I will receive you,
---francis on 12/4/12


Mark V, peace "you should not judge another brother" Not every one is my brother! John7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. (Rom. 14:21-23). Is about food. not "Christians" tying pagan things with God! i eat pork & give God thanks! " Whatever is not from faith is sin." 1st John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
---J_Marc on 12/4/12


Jesus churches in their goverment and discipline were to be entirely separate and independent of each other.
---Mark_V. on 12/4/12
IDIOT!
2 Cor 11:28 Beside..that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches.
Acts 15:36 And some days after Paul said unto Barnabas, Let us go again and visit our brethren in every city where we have preached the word of the Lord, and see how they do.
Titus 1:5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:

has it every occured to you that if the apostles, did not govern several congregations that they could not write letters to them with such authority?
---francis on 12/4/12


1 Corinthians 1:10 - NOW I beseech you, brethren by the name of Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there no divisions among you, but that ye be perfectly join together in the same mind and same judgment.
---RICHARDC on 12/4/12


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Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

Most denominations are tares. They look like the real thing. Look closer through God's eyes

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Rev 12:17 the remnant: which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 14:12 The saints: they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
---francis on 12/4/12


Christan, you are so right. Many don't know this because they belong to a denomination or another. Jesus churches in their goverment and discipline were to be entirely separate and independent of each other. Jerusalem to have no authority over Antioch, nor Antioch over Ephesus, nor Ephesus over Corinth and so forth. And their goverment to be congregational, democrate. A goverment of the people, by the people, and for the people. It remained that way until the Roman Catholic Church gathered many churches together. Not only was the beginning of denominations but also another head of the Church came to be, instead of Christ the Head of the Church, Constantine became the head of the Church. And Jesus church was now divided by many denominations.
---Mark_V. on 12/4/12


A Christian is a Bible adherent, where his/her faith is not in the church, not in a denomination, not in a pastor, but in sola scripture and sola fide. If U take this stance then U will be labelled a "Protestant", such a one who protests at the Mother of Harlots (who is calling in her daughters) and her Antichrist, and categorised as a denomination. Christians operate at a fuller discerning tilt when they have been deceived, and how the RCC deceived Christians before prompting a vehement Reformation. Since then, Satan has been dividing the Protestant church, by way of the RCC, and now Christians are being deceived again by the RCC's infiltration. A step away from Bible adherence is step towards Rome. Reform yourself.
---John_II on 12/4/12


Rita, God has many people, and all his people will be with him in glory, but God only has one church.

Many people in heaven:
Rev7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands,

One Church:
Mt16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
By the way, Peter mean pebble. Christ is the ROCK!
---trey on 12/4/12


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NO, denomination is most definitely unscriptural and of the devil. It's dividing the Body of Christ, and He cannot be divided. The one who follow Christ is simply known as a Christian, period. "And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch." Acts 11:26

"Is Christ divided?" 1 Corinthians 1:13

And for someone to say, "You must believe that your denomination is the only one who is teaching the truth, or else why bother being a member", you will know such is not a Christian but a worker of iniquity.
---christan on 12/3/12


Rita_H:

There is a difference between believing "my way is the right way (so everybody else's way is wrong)", and "every other way sends you to hell". There are certain errors that may be serious enough to do so (e.g. believing Satan is one's Lord and Savior), while others should scarecely matter (e.g. believing Jesus had wavy blond hair vs. curly black hair). Most things fall somewhere in the gray area inbetween, and most doctrinal differences between churches are fairly minor compared to the big picture.
---StrongAxe on 12/3/12


Sis.Rita bless you! I do not.belong. to any congregation but, sad about alot of things but. What keeps me full of Joy & hope when I read really good hearts on here..people like bro.WillieC. he really has a good heart to be able to be in the mist & bless you bro.WillieC. God said ps.23. he leadth me beside the still.waters.. he restoreth my soul.

You are a wise brother. In JESUS Forevermore! ELENA
---ELENA on 12/3/12


2Pt 2:1 speaks of the present apsostasy, and how it came about.

Out of the Nicean creed came much heresy and the elevation of men above the word of God.


They are the primary source of schism and division in the body of Christ, creating sects and demoninationalism.

All creeds presume to proclaim what God has spoken. But what need, since He has given us His Holy Scriptures?

Creedalism has deposed God, and seated men upon His throne.
---Phil on 12/3/12


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How can anyone believe that there is a church out there?
Or for that matter that there is one church out there?
Where is out there?

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
How can anyone possibly believe their spirit is out there somewhere?

In Revelation, there are seven churches and where are the seven churches?
1:19 which thou hast seen! 1:20 in my right hand, -- are the seven churches.

If you want to find, the one true church! Then look no farther than his right hand.
But then, Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

But, this can't be right. Right!
Peace
---TheSeg on 12/3/12


Sadly, churches, fellowships, & congregations have reached the apostacy! The falling away that was prophesied is occurring,the lawless one,the man of sin has been revealed!2nd Thessalonians 2:3-4 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Many have "asked Jesus into their hearts" and keep the sin in their business must have another(anti)christ living there that calls himself God!
---J_Marc on 12/3/12


1: You must believe that your denomination is the only one who is teaching the truth, or else why bother being a member

2: There will be people of other denomination, and other religions in heaven Romans 2:14-16

3: If you are unsure as to which of the 2001 denominations that is teaching he truth, look at the biblical guideline:

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Rev 12:17 the emnant: which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 14:12 The saints: they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


---francis on 12/3/12


Hi, Rita (c: I have found there can be real Jesus people right in with the wrong ones, but the right ones are wise to the error. But they stay there to reach the wrong ones. And they have no problem with me. They even know how to handle me better than I know how to handle myself, if they are real Jesus people. But the wrong ones put on such the big show of their nonsense, so that you can suppose they represent the group or church. So, even in my church, we can have anger problem people and flashers, but I'm here with the ones who feed me love example (1 Peter 5:3) Galatians 4:17, 2 Corinthians 12:10 > I need to do better not be fooled by the temptation to self-righteously criticize the self-righteous! (c: Hebrews 5:2
---willie_c: on 12/3/12


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my denomination describes what I believe and I will just stick with the old stuff again. it seems in the past 40 years or so all churches (almost all) have taken the denomination churches and now they are non-denominational. what do non denominational believe? how can anyone go to a church if they don't know their doctrine?
---shira4368 on 12/3/12


I believe that NO denomination is perfect and that all will find, when we meet our Lord, that we have made errors along the way. Our predecessors have made errors, we have added to them. I believe that most will have much that is correct and something which is not.

We will be judged on whether or not we accepted Jesus' sacrifice as a gift to us and thanked Him for that - not on whether our ladies wear hats, whether we have individual wine glasses or a chalice for the wine at communion services etc.

Read Matthew 23:23 and 24.

Our arguments don't help unbelievers and could send some to hell. I don't want that responsibility and would rather someone worship Jesus slightly differently from my way than not doing so at all.
---Rita_H on 12/3/12


To be honest, scripture states that there is only ONE FAITH, ONE GOD, but yet everyone who attends their Church believes that they are right. The Bible says that there is just ONE true Church, but where is it?

It is up to the individual to seek out the truth for themselves because there are hidden nuggets that tell where that true Church is. Think about it.
---Leo on 12/3/12


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