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Decision To Be Saved

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Gen5,6 (all)
God chose some before the foundation of this world/age/ion that He would use to prepare others- Salvation(2Tim 1:7). The elect show the way for others to accomplish their place of rest [noah] in Christ.(anoint-Word of God-Aleph/Tav)

Lineage of Christ prior to the flood: Generations Adam to Noah and sons

Lamech(Gen 5:28) lineage of Adam and Seth-part of the lineage/blood line,the Word of God [Ysha] Jesus Christ (anointed) would come.

Gen 5:3 "And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image, and called his name Seth:"[sheyt]

[Sheyt] root word "to set something in place"---Establish
His Word[Ysha] is set in place Jn1:1,3:16
---char on 12/10/12


"Not everyone believes" francis

And why not? Afterall, you and many claim God gave man the "free-will" to choose between life and death, isn't it?

What kind of man if he:
- can see death right before his very eyes and still chooses death over life?
- knows that there's a God who's angry over his sinful ways and does not repent will end up in hell and still chooses to go to hell over heaven?
- "knows" Christ is eternal life and still chooses over eternal death?

See the folly of the "free-will" theology? Makes no sense whatsoever. Btw, the "ALL" in 1 Timothy 2:4 points to only His elect in Christ confirmed by Christ in John 6:37, 17:6-10.
---christan on 12/10/12


Acts 26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.


2 Corinthians 5:11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men, but we are made manifest unto God, and I trust also are made manifest into YOUR CONSCIENCE.

kinna GIVES EVERYONE A CHOICE
---francis on 12/10/12


Mark V and Christan, Having GOD as LORD in one's life is a RELATIONSHIP. Every relationship is "two-way". GOD pursues and reaches out, a person responds and receives. Then the person will love GOD actively, day-by-day, as GOD loves him/her. The Love between GOD and a Believer is reciprocated BACK-AND-FORTH. It's like Forgiveness. In order to receive GOD's Forgiveness, we must FIRST forgive others and ourselves. It's a two-way street. GOD desires people to be saved. Once they take the initial Salvation Step, then, they are open to pursue GOD's Will in their lives. You bet GOD wants our "permission" to work in our lives, for HE is a Gentleman. HE does not force Himself on people! HE wants our love is freely returned.
---Gordon on 12/10/12


Not everyone believes
---francis on 12/10/12

Re 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God...and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books.

The last thing the unbeliever will have known was slipping into death.

The next thing he will know is standing alive before the Great God, sins exposed and naked before all.

Unbelief will no longer find place in the hearts of men, and confession will come forth, and acclaim for the Son's glory will be the only response of the condemned.

All who die the second death will be believers then. It matters not that they did not believe before dying the first time.
---Phil on 12/10/12




Mark V, You're twisting around everything I'm saying. I never, ever said nor implied in any way that "GOD is unfair" when people are Damned for Eternity or because some people do not end up being "Saved". GOD is JUST to damn people for all Eternity. What I said is that GOD, in HIS great Love and Mercy offers ALL a choice to receive HIM or reject HIM. If they reject HIM, HE will cast them into Eternal Damnation on Judgment Day. HE is Righteous. (lol)*sigh* I told you that you "filter EVERYTHING" by your false understanding of "Predestination and Election".
---Gordon on 12/10/12


Francis on 12/10/12 - NOT every one Believes -------------

Romans 10:9 - THAT if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the lord Jesus Christ, and BELIEVE IN THINE HEART that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shat be saved.

How can a unsaved person truly Believe in there Heart and be saved, unless God First Gave them a New Heart To Believe ?

Jeremiah 17:9 - THE Heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: Who knows it.

Proverbs 20:9 - WHO can say, I have made my Heart clean, I am pure of sin.
---RICHARDC on 12/10/12


Mark V, Would you dare to force your will on somebody else? That's alot like "rape", you know? A person forcing themselves on somebody else against that other person's will. GOD is the ultimate Free-Will Being. GOD does not cross people's will. HE offers Himself to everyone. Then HE leaves it up to them to receive or reject HIM. If they choose to receive HIM, HE will empower them to do all that HE desires for them. If they reject HIM, HE will even pursue them, but, HE does not "FORCE" Himself on someone if they don't want HIM.
---Gordon on 12/10/12


Christan, Was Noah a "robot"? Did GOD set Noah on "automatic" where Noah "blindly" helped to build the Ark and "blindly" just preached to the people about the coming Flood? Tell me, Christan. Do you do EVERYTHING that GOD tells you you to do? Have you done EVERY LITTLE THING that GOD has told you to do, since you became a Christian? Was there not even just one moment in time when you have disobeyed GOD and, instead, committed a sin? If you have ever sinned, then, you were NOT lead by GOD at that moment. For sin is always of the Devil. When you did sin, was that not, therefore, something that YOU chose to do? (since it would never be GOD's Will that you sin!)
---Gordon on 12/10/12


1 Timothy 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour,

1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

If this is the will of God, why then are not all men saved?

ANSWER: John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

EXAMPLE: Acts 26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.

Not everyone believes
---francis on 12/10/12




God does not change!

James 1:16-17 Do not err, my beloved brethren.Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Malalchi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not, therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.



Isaiah 57:15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy, I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

He saves from sin!

1st John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
---J-Marc on 12/10/12


Again francis, you present another god, not the God of Scripture. You present a god who tries but is unable to do anything. He is in bondage to sinful man.
That is not the God of the Bible. The God of the Bible does what pleases Himself, not what pleases man.
"He doeth according to His will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay His hand" (Dan. 4:35).
There is no future event which is only a mere possibility, that is, something which may or may not come to pass,
"Known unto God are all His works from the beginning" (Acts 15:18). Whatever God has decreed is inexorably certain, for He is without variableness, or shadow of turning (James 1:17).
---Mark_V. on 12/10/12


"when God tried to reach (strive with man) those who perished in the flood" francis

He did? Wow! What kind of god are you worshipping that he tried reaching mankind except for the 8 souls that were in the ark, and failed? You sure have a god that's a weakling that he couldn't save the man he wanted to save.

If your theory is right (which I'm sure it isn't), why then bother to send the flood if He wanted to save everyone? Afterall, Scripture declares that He is long-suffering. I'll tell you why. He's only long-suffering to those whom He has elected and the God of the Bible doesn't love everyone He has created.

If He did, there would have been no flood or the coming destruction of the world with His Holy fire.
---christan on 12/10/12


Gordon, you gave a different context to (Rom. 9:21,22). Paul had explained Rebecca had two children, God loved one but not the other, that the purpose of God according to election might stand. Then said
"what shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God?" (v. 14). Then gave what God said to Moses,
"I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy and I will have compassion on whomever I have compassion." God is not obligated to man. Paul knew people like you would say, that's not fair. Paul said,
"But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God?" Paul was not addressing those with honest questions, but those who seek to use it to excuse their own sin and unbelief.
---Mark_V. on 12/10/12


Gordon 2: Paul then said,
"Will the thing formed say to Him who formed it,'Why have you made me like this?" So Paul explains, the Potter has power over the clay. Some don't believe that. Paul say,
"from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?" The Potter from the same lump makes what He wants. Then Paul says,
"What if God" "if." wanting to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for distruction" God endures great pain from those who are prepared for distruction. For what reason? to wait for His own, the vessels prepared glory. The "us" the elect. Prepared already for glory.
---Mark_V. on 12/10/12


IN CONTEXT!
Question JMarc, when were YOU a servant under LAW?

Galatians 4:5-7

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

JMarc is just another here taking scripture out of context, cherry picking this and that to say what he wants. He isn't hurting the TRUE Born Again Christian who KNOWS better, he's hurting GOD, others and himself, and there will be severe consequences for doing that. These guys have NO CONSCIENCE for doing it, and that is most scarry.
---kathr4453 on 12/10/12


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---christan on 12/9/12
Psalms 111:10 a good understanding have all they that do his commandments:

So I do not expect you to understand.

Genesis 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man,...

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ...quickened by the Spirit:

1 Peter 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison, Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing

2 Peter 2:5 Noah ..a preacher of righteousness

The same spirit that raised Jesus from the dead, was the same spirit that was in Noah when God tried to reach (strive with man) those who perished in the flood.
---francis on 12/9/12


HE Chooses us.

Eph.1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

After He chooses us, He sends the Spirit!

Gal. 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
---J-Marc on 12/9/12


Salvation is of the Lord. He is creating man in His own image and likeness. Being born again is only part of the process towards that goal.

God will be All in all. That is His edict. No one will prevent Him from becoming all things in all His creation. He will be glorified.

Jews alone can be "born again". Those who believe Paul's evangel are new creations, not merely born again believers.

It is to the Jew that the Lord spoke this requirement, not to us the Gentile nations. We are complete in Him by grace through faith.

The decision was not ours. It was His. Ro 8:29
---Phil on 12/9/12


Mark V, Did I not tell you that you filter everything that people say, and that which the Scriptures say, by your false belief that "some people were only created to be damned and others, alone, were created to be Saved"?? Yes. But, if you read ROMANS 9:21-22 CORRECTLY.....it is shown that GOD displayed Patience and Longsuffering for a reason. That Patience and Longsuffering can end up working extremely well for any given individual sinner, or, very destructively, depending on the choice the individual makes pertaining to GOD.
---Gordon on 12/9/12


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2nd posting:

2 Pet 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

1 Pet 3:18-20
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison,
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
---char on 12/9/12


If a man says "I keep the commandments of God", that man is saying:
Mat 23:30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
This should be clear to you!

If you aren't saying this, then please explain how you say "I keep the commandments of God."
And still partaker with them in the blood of the prophets.
You see?

As you wrote on 12/8/12
Is this what you see James saying?
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. James 2:10

For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill!

Peace francis
---TheSeg on 12/9/12


francis, funny you'd accuse TheSeg of "seeing what you want to see" and you say, "God was trying to save all" in Genesis 6:3 which says,

"And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years."

Can't see what you have interpreted similar to the verse. Rather what I see is a prophesy that God was going to bring forth the great flood to destroy mankind. Because that's what happened, the world destroyed but the eight lives and animals on board the ark.

Only your god "try to save people" and fail. Doesn't speak well of his reputation as an "almighty" god, does it?
---christan on 12/9/12


francis, forgive me, but I really see you as saying: Mat 23:30!
---TheSeg on 12/8/12
Matt 23:30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.

Since i have never said that, you are seeing what you want to see.



Show Scriptural evidence that Noah and his family "choose to obey"?
---christan on 12/8/12

1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Noah preached, some choose to disobey, 7 others obeyed

Genesis 6:3
God was trying to save all
---francis on 12/9/12


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The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king (the Father), which made a marriage for his son (Jesus Christ) And sent forth his servants (prophets) to call them that were bidden to the wedding (lost sheep of the house of Israel): and they would not come. Again, he sent forth other servants (disciples), saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready(God has done EVERYTHING!): come unto the marriage. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise (went about to establish their own righteousness): And the remnant (Jews) took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
---JackB on 12/9/12


Gordon, you turned (Rom. 9:21,22) around. How can you even say that God is trying to do something and sinful man won't let Him? What other god are you talking about? You are contradicting the God of Scripture. He says,
"He worketh all things after the counsel of His own will" (Eph. 1:11)? or when He says,
"He doeth according to His will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay His hand" (Prov. 19:21).
And you say that's not the God of the Bible, that man every second stay His hand because they will not repent." You strip God of His power and turn it over to sinful man. How can an Almighty God be defeated by sinful man? You are speaking of another god.
---Mark_V. on 12/9/12


Show Scriptural evidence that Noah and his family "choose to obey"? ---christan on 12/8/12


Christan, start with Romans 1-2. That's about before the flood!

Today:Romans 16:25-27
25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

Acts 5:32
And we are his witnesses of these things, and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

---kathr4453 on 12/9/12


2 Thessalonians 1:8
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Hebrews 5:9
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him,.


Christan, you flaunt a salvation without obedience? Yikes!

YOU preach another gospel, an accursed one.

Now what will you do or say to explain away these two verses?
Or rather, how does Calvin explain these away?
---kathr4453 on 12/9/12


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Now Christan's response here to my posts will tell it all.

WHEN you are truly Born Again, and are confronted with scripture that contradicts all you have been taught by man, the first thing you naturaly do is get on your knees and ask the Lord to explain and reveal the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. BUT you must ask in faith, nothing wavering, and you cannot be double minded. The Lord will NOT give any answer to a double minded man.

But the LAST thing a Christian will do is come back and curse anyone who shows them God's word point blank. That's the behavior of cults.
---kathr4453 on 12/9/12


Is it possible that you see what you wish to see?
No francis, it is not. I see what he wants me to!

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself, by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

Peace!
---TheSeg on 12/8/12


"Those in Noah's days they all heard the same message, only 7 choose to obey" francis

More lies! Show Scriptural evidence that Noah and his family "choose to obey"? Did Noah and his family:

- chose to bring the flood?
- chose to build an ark in the middle of a desert and for a hundred years?
- chose to gather the animals or did God bring them to the ark?
- and when the the rain came, did Noah chose to shut his family in the ark?

Scripture clearly declares: "And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and THE LORD SHUT HIM IN." Genesis 7:16
---christan on 12/8/12


2 Peter 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

Acts 26:27 King Agrippa, believest thou the prophets? I know that thou believest.

Acts 26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.

we hear the gospel, we have to respond to the Holy Spirit

2 Peter 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth [person], a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly,

Those in Noah's days they all heard the same message, only 7 choose to obey
---francis on 12/8/12


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Decision:Repent
Result:Enter...

(What does salvation mean blog)//
[...]repent and enter etc"... Then judgement. God always provides a way of escape before Judgement.--kathr4453 on 12/2/12//

-----Love this! Beautifully understood- Aleph/Tav.

Related meaning: [nachah] guide or lead Ex 13:21, Ex 32:34
"To lead to Rest"
Nun/Ch: parent root for Noah
Nun: pictograph is-sprouting seed (continue, heir, son) Aramaic:means fish
Ch: pictograph Tent wall- doorway life- eighth letter (new first/beginnings)
Stgs 5146/5118 rest, comfort

Gen5:29
[...]bring us (rest/comfort-nuach) from our work and from the toil of our hands, from the ground which YHWH had cursed.
1 Pet 3:18-20, 2 Pet 3:9
---char on 12/8/12


---TheSeg on 12/8/12
Is it possible that you see what you wish to see?

Is this what you see Paul saying?
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what is important is keeping the commandments of God. 1 Cor 7:19

Is this what you see John saying:
The saints: they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Rev 14:12

Is this what you see James saying?
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. James 2:10

Is this what you see peter saying?
For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 2 Peter 2:21
---francis on 12/8/12


Gordon,
Your belief that God would have every individual to be saved is rooted in the belief that if God doesn't love everyong he must be unrighteous, unfair, unjust, and not a God of love.

Rom9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth,)
Rom9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
Rom9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

WHAT!!! God hated Esau??? He must be unjust!!!
Paul responds:

Rom9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

What is amazing is that God loved any of us!
---trey on 12/8/12


But, you live by the erroneous belief that "GOD creates some people to be damned, and only certain others to be Saved.

(Dont you live by this as well?)
There is ALWAYS going to have been one time or another when GOD will have given every single living human soul a chance to receive HIM or totally reject HIM. That involves free-will choice.
Gordon on 12/8/12

I dont blame you, because youre not alone.
Joh 5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

Joh_5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.

Peace
---TheSeg on 12/8/12


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Mark V., The Heart of GOD is that all human beings would come to repentance from their sin and receive Salvation. GOD never desires that any perish. To say that "GOD wills" also can mean "GOD desires". Yes, people are already condemned from the start, I never deny that fact. But, you live by the erroneous belief that "GOD creates some people to be damned, and only certain others to be Saved". You filter so much of what others say, and what the Scriptures say, by that false and erroneous belief. There is ALWAYS going to have been one time or another when GOD will have given every single living human soul a chance to receive HIM or totally reject HIM. That involves free-will choice, Mark.
---Gordon on 12/8/12


Christan, ROMANS 9:21-22 bears witness that GOD is willing that none perish. In these Verses you quoted, we see GOD's Word saying how GOD has "...endured (rebellious, sinful people, the vessels of Wrath) with MUCH LONGSUFFERING..." Do you know what that part which says "endured with much Longsuffering" means? It means that GOD patiently endured the people's stubborness, "waiting" and "giving them time" to see the Light and REPENT. But, because they repented not, GOD made them into HIS vessels of Wrath and they became Eternally Damned for good, with NO hope of Redemption. People DO perish, but, GOD prefers that they don't. So, they perish after all because they reject GOD and HIS Ways, and HIS Salvation.
---Gordon on 12/8/12


francis, forgive me, but I really see you as saying: Mat 23:30!
Because, you are saying you have kept the law!
Therefore you be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

Reminds me of the man going up to pray, saying God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men.
Because you aren't saying I try or I can't, you are saying I have!

Christ said pray like this:
And forgive us our debts! As we forgive our debtors!
So you have no debts, nothing to forgive!

Now you may believe you are keeping the law. No matter what I say!
But the truth is I know youre not.
No one can keep the law.
---TheSeg on 12/8/12


char on 12/7/12 to //---jan4378 on 12/6/12//

Appreciating your postings- Blessings,
Shalom


A: Blessings to you! I just found yours and saw the above. From what I've just begun to read of yours I must say that I appreciate yours also. -Shalom
---jan4378 on 12/8/12


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Gordon, you said,

"Mark V, GOD damns people after they reject HIS Offer of Salvation..."

No Gordon, your wrong. They are condemned already. They are under the curse of God.
"He who believes in Him is not condemned, "but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the Son of God" Unless faith comes to them from God, they will remain under the curse.
Then you say:
" ..end up perishing into Eternal Damnation. But, it's not because GOD wanted them to perish."
If the Lord did not want anyone to perish, He would have given no curse. The curse was going to condemn many.
---Mark_V. on 12/8/12


Romans 3:26-28
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.



Let's be clear here, the LAW of FAITH, is what is needed first before JUSTIFICATION.

It is not the "Gift" of Faith, or supernatural, and Justificarion is not the New Birth.

Therefore, Calvinism's false doctrine of irresistable GRACE is not in scripture.....but these verses are, and totally contradict Calvinism.
---kathr4453 on 12/8/12


---christan on 12/7/12
1 Cor 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, what is important is the keeping of the commandments of God.

Rev 12:17 the remnant: which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 14:12 the saints: they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

You will NEVER find a christian arguing against keeping the commandments of God. NEVER!

Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
---francis on 12/7/12


//---jan4378 on 12/6/12//

Appreciating your postings-

Blessings,

Shalom
---char on 12/7/12


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God bless you, christan!
I mean that with all my heart!

Mat_5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

Mat_5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

I see you this way!
Mat_5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

Yes, I know, I don't like kissing up either.
But sometimes it must be said!
Peace
---TheSeg on 12/7/12


"GOD damns people after they reject HIS Offer of Salvation" Gordon

"For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the PURPOSE OF GOD ACCORDING TO ELECTION MIGHT STAND, NOT OF WORKS, BUT OF HIM THAT CALLETH" Romans 9:11

"Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction." Romans 9:21,22

How wrong you are Gordon.
---christan on 12/7/12


---christan No one on CN writes more about righteousness by faith than I do NO ONE

So we have IMPUTED righteous,... ---francis on 10/7/12

the NT clearly teaches righteousness by faith..., ---francis on 5/8/12
All our righteous comes from christ....---francis on 5/3/12

He who is trying to become holy by his own works in keeping the law, is attempting an impossibility. All that man can do without Christ is polluted with selfishness and sin. It is the grace of Christ alone, through faith, that can make us holy.
---francis on 5/4/12
May I suggest a fresh teaching on RIGHTEOUSNESS BY FAITH? ---francis on 7/9/12

RIGHTEOUSNESS BY FAITH is my best preparation ---francis on 4/25/12
---francis on 12/7/12


francis, Revelation 14:12 isn't from your heart but from God. You cannot omit what has been written but it doesn't mean your heart feels the same way. That's why you continue to ONLY show the ten commandments and verses that pertains to "keep the commandments" as your stance that the law will bring you to heaven. Does it?

Once more, this is what I've said in the last post to you, "Never once in your mention of verses pertaining to the law have you ever once mentioned about faith in Christ is all the sinner needs to be saved. Never."

By your understanding, King Solomon, the thief on the cross should be burning in Hades for neither "kept the commandments of God" on the day they died.
---christan on 12/7/12


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francis, whatever you have quoted is definitely from the Word of
Never once in your mention of verses pertaining to the law have you ever once mentioned about faith in Christ is all the sinner needs to be saved. Never.
---christan on 12/7/12
Revelation 14:12 keep the commandments of God, and the FAITH of Jesus.
---francis on 12/6/12

ARE YOU SURE?
If I am quoting comes directly from the wod of God, then it is really francis who does not incldue faith

But look closely youwills ee KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS AND FAITH
---francis on 12/7/12


In Ephesians 1:12, Paul says "we" "first trusted in Christ."

And Paul says > "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation, old things have passed away, behold, all things have become new." (2 Corinthians 5:17) By trusting in Jesus, each of us became "a new creation" who trusts Jesus instead of living in sin by trusting mainly or only in our own selves. So, we then became born again, by becoming a new person. We did choose to trust (c:

"But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him." (1 Corinthians 6:17) "for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." (Philippians 2:13)
---willie_c: on 12/7/12


Mark V, GOD damns people after they reject HIS Offer of Salvation, and after they reject HIS Warnings to repent. Most of mankind will, sadly, end up perishing into Eternal Damnation. But, it's not because GOD wanted them to perish. For, as the Lord points out in MATTHEW 41, the Everlasting Fire (Lake of Fire) was originally only created for the Devil and his fallen angels. It was not created with human souls in mind. Humans end up going there when they actively reject GOD and HIS Salvation, and choose to follow Satan's way of rebellion and they choose to remain their sin.
---Gordon on 12/7/12


francis, whatever you have quoted is definitely from the Word of God. That's not the issue. It is your understanding that's the issue and not the Word of God. Your wanting to establish the law has totally blinded you to the Truth that "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."

Never once in your mention of verses pertaining to the law have you ever once mentioned about faith in Christ is all the sinner needs to be saved. Never.

Your tone is so similar to that of the Pharisees, "going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God."
---christan on 12/7/12


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Christan, The raising up of Lazarus from the Dead had nothing to do with the experience of being Born Again! The Lord YAHUSHUA raised up Lazarus from the Dead as a Miracle to testify to the watching people of GOD's Power. It had nothing to do with whether Lazarus himself could choose to rise or not. Lazarus was risen up by GOD's Choosing. Lazarus' soul was alive in Paradise until he was called back up to be among those who dwelled on the Earth. But, Lazarus was a friend of YAHUSHUA, which means, that most likely, he was a Follower of YAHUSHUA anyhow.
---Gordon on 12/7/12


A hard question to answer, since no one can explain or agree on what "born again" means
---michael_e on 12/5/12

This Jesus spoke this with the foreknowledge of His Messiahship being rejected by Israel and the inevitability of the cross.[Jn 3:14]

I have presumed it to imply resurrection to physical life, which has water as it's primary vehicle, and filling with holy spirit according to Jeremiah 31:31.

No one was born again during the Lord's time. The power of Holy Spirit rested upon Jewish believers, to advance the Kingdom. But when that was rejected by Israel as a whole, it began ceasing it's activity outside the scope of Paul's Gospel.
---Phil on 12/6/12


Acts 2:40 "... he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation."
Ezekiel 3:18 "When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die, and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life, the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at thine hand."

Ezekiel 3:20 "Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered, but his blood will I require at thine hand."

Same warning,no exception.
---Nana on 12/7/12


Gordon, the passage is correct if you are saying that the "us" are believers, (the elect) in ( 2 Peter 3:9). And God is not willing that "any" should perish. The "any" is believers and those who will be called to complete the redeemed. The passage is not telling us God not willing that all of mankind come to repentance since (v.7) says,
"But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdtion of ungoldly men" The whole passage is about God destroying the wicked. His patience is not so He can save everyone, but so that He can receive all His own. The "us" is correct if you are talking about believers, the elect.
---Mark_V. on 12/7/12


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you continue to point people to the law when all the law
---christcs on 12/6/12
1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Can we agree that what I posted canme directly from the word of God with NO alteration from me?
---francis on 12/7/12


"Instead of honouring God by obeying his commandments, you constantly deflect..." francis

You are honoring God? Even the Jews who crucified Christ will declare that! "He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me."

Who's deflecting? I show you Jesus Christ and the law, and you continue to point people to the law when all the law does is "for by the law is the knowledge of sin" and "the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." That is, eternal life is ONLY through Christ and not the law!
---christcs on 12/6/12


Notice the law comes first before Christ.
---christan on 12/6/12


Revelation 12:17 keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Yes I noticed that JOHN through the Holy Spirit did put keep the commandments before faith in Jesus.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony:

HMM Isaiah does the same SOMETIMES

Isaiah 8:16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.

you comments are silly
I did not write ANY of these verses.
Instead of honouring God by obeying his commandments, you constantly deflect and make it seem as if Francis is the author of the words in the bible
---francis on 12/6/12


Yes. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink it.

Being born again is a decision an individual makes after hearing the gospel unto salvation.
Or, they decide to keep their own reasonings and stay in sin and rebellious to God's will.

If salvation was up to God's will, then surely everyone would have gotten saved by now and we'd all be in heaven enjoying such abundance of life that is beyond what we could ask or think now.
---jan4378 on 12/6/12


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"He wants to dissuade people from the idea they can be persuaded to believe in God." Marc

Your accusation is contradicted by Scriptures, here's prove: "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God." Romans 3:10,11. This is without exception to mankind, it includes the sinner before he becomes a believer of Christ by the grace of God.

"This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent... for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth... and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed." John 6:29, Romans 1:16, Acts 13:48

You're firing blanks!
---christan on 12/6/12


Gnostics, like MarkV, often hold two diametrically opposed ideas at the same time. MarkV believes God and only God causes someone to believe in Him and that a person has no free-will. Yet, he tries to REASON with and persuade people that only God causes someone to believe in Him and that free-will is an illusion. He wants to dissuade people from the idea they can be persuaded to believe in God. Is this a test for MarkV's mental competency. I mean, if it is ALL down to God whether you believe or not, no manner of arguing will ever change a person's mind because it is ALL up to God. So, either MarkV is wasting his and everyone else's time because reasoning with someone isn't going to change unbelief to belief, or, MarkV thinks he is God.
---Marc on 12/6/12


Hebrews 3:15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.

Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

What happens if you hear his voice, but harden your heart?

What happens if he knocks at the door, and you hear his voice, but you do not open the door and let him in?
---francis on 12/6/12


"A christian does BOTH
keep the commandments of God AND have faith in Jesus" francis


Do you even know where your heart lies in your comment above? Notice the law comes first before Christ. That speaks volumes of what you truly believe. And that's not in Christ. You have to say "faith in Christ" is because it's in the Scriptures. Your conviction is in "do the law" not "faith in Christ."

Now, what happens if a Christian breaks His laws? Is he then going to loose his salvation even though he has "faith in Christ"? A yes or no would be sufficient here.
---christan on 12/6/12


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Mark V, "The LORD is...Longsuffering to us-ward, not willing (meaning:"NOT DESIROUS")that any should perish, but that ALL (not just certain ones, but ALL) should come to repentance." II PETER 3:9. "And I (YAHUSHUA/JESUS), if I be lifted up (Crucified/Glorified) from the Earth, will draw ALL MEN unto Me (not just certain "select ones", but, ALL)." JOHN 12:32. Not "ALL" receive the Offer of Salvation, but, GOD draws them to consider Salvation, nonetheless, until they are hardened beyond repentance or die. For GOD also says in EZEKIEL 33:11a "Say unto them, 'As I live', saith the LORD GOD, 'I have NO PLEASURE in the death of the wicked..." ALL are offered Salvation but, not ALL receive it.
---Gordon on 12/6/12


Hebrews 3:15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.

Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

the promting of the HS, God initiating salvation is ot a gaurante of salvation.
We have to respond to his call.

Not only do we have to respond, we have to continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, Colossians 1:23
---francis on 12/6/12


Michael e 0n 12/5/12 - A hard question to answer since no one can explain - or agree on what born again means -

Ezekiel 36:26 - A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit I will put in you, I will take away the stoney heart out of your flesh , and I will give you a heart of Flesh.
Ezekiel 36:27 - AND I will put my spirit in you, and cause you to walk my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments ,and do them.

Do we make the decision to be born again ?

Ephesians !:4 - ACCORDING as hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in Love,
---RICHARDC on 12/6/12


We can NEVER decide to be saved, as God has already decided that for us. We can only decide NOT to be saved, by not trusting in the Lamb of GOD.
---duane on 12/6/12


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//Do we make the decision to be born again?//
The real Christ does the choosing! John 15:19 "If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.John 10:4-5 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers." The true sheep know his voice and will not follow strangers
---J_Marc on 12/6/12


francis, you quote Scriptures without even confirming it with other Scriptures, in this case which is about your precious "free-will".

Using Acts 2:38 to justify "free-will" is rubbish. Let me show you another verse in Acts 13:48, "And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and AS MANY AS WERE ORDAINED TO ETERNAL LIFE BELIEVED."

Scripture explicitly confirms that one who "believe" is because they have already been "ordained to eternal life", meaning chosen to receive eternal life. By who? By God!

Your understanding of salvation is altogether erroneous. Quoting Scriptures alone isn't going to save you.
---christan on 12/5/12


"NO! God chooses us. It is by the power of God which saves lost souls. Power in the Blood which forgives." pat

As Christ told Peter, "And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven." Matthew 16:17

"Blessed art thou", pat.
---christan on 12/5/12


Gordon, the verses you gave are true when you said,

"This shows us how GOD deals with each one of us regarding Life and Death, Salvation and Damnation. Yes, those Verses are from the Old Testament, "before the Saviour was born", but, they still show us GOD's Will and Desire for us."

Of course He wants to save us. If the "us" are His children. He never fails. It cannot mean everyone under the curse, since many of them are already in hell. He must have failed there, which is not possible. He never fails to save whom He wills to save, never.
---Mark_V. on 12/6/12


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God takes the initiative, and we respond to His invitation. "For it is God Who works in you both to will and to do."
---Cluny on 12/5/12

Very well said. I agree 100 percent.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/5/12


How about this:

God takes the initiative, and we respond to His invitation. "For it is God Who works in you both to will and to do."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/5/12


Gordon.....Salvation is of the Lord. Even our faith is from God.
---JIM on 12/5/12


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