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Falling On Your Face

Scripture tells of people 'falling on their face' before God.

These days people always seem to need to be 'touched' by someone and then 'fall backwards' when 'overcome by the Holy Spirit'.

Does the Holy Spirit need a helping hand these days !! ??

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God is able to put anyone down on the ground. Paul, our apostle, is proof.

That said, being "slain in the spirit" is an old trick of merchandisers, those who traffic in souls for gain.

There is no validity to this chicanery, and is justifiably mocked by unbelievers.

When the Lord returns, what Peter did in Ac 5:5 will happen again, in numbers, and then being slain by the Spirit of God, will be a reality once again.
---Phil on 1/4/13


Rita, what was wrong with my answer? I don't understand why you were upset. In fact I was thinking of the same people, the Word of Faith teachers just like you were, you made that very clear what people you were talking about.
So I made the statement the Holy Spirit did not need help. You were asking if the Holy Spirit need a helping hand these days? And I answered no. I like you believe the teacings of the W.o.F, have corrupted the passages in Scripture. There is no reason for you to stop asking questions. please, do not take it personal. Happy New Year.
---Mark_V. on 1/2/13


"falling on the face" before God is an act of worship and surrender, it is Biblical. "falling backwards" before God is for those (1)under God's punishment (2)doing something against God before the fall e.g. Prophet Eli 1 Sam.4:18, others John 18:6. Falling backwards under God's anointing does not appear biblical.
---Adetunji on 1/2/13


I will make no further comment on this and truly wish I had not asked the question.
---Rita_H on 1/1/13

Rita H,

A while ago, I was at the same point. consistently, 98% of the responses was usually missing the point and talking down. granted it is hard to weed though the waste here, but there always is that 2%.
---aka on 1/1/13


Mark v - Fortunately most here have actually understood the question and realised that I was not implying that the Holy Spirit DID need any help.

I was really trying to show how many televangelists actually DO THINK that He needs help and that is why they push people backwards. They are determined that people WILL go down.

If this was of God the people would fall on their faces before Him, they would need no help from the televangelist.

Some answers here at least show that some DID understand the point I was making.

I will make no further comment on this and truly wish I had not asked the question.
---Rita_H on 1/1/13




Rita, the Holy Spirit can do anything He so desires. Make you stand, seat you down, raise you from the dead, even bring physical judgment. Nothing is impossible with God. The Holy Spirit needs help from no one. Can He use people? He does all the time.
---Mark_V. on 1/1/13


the most important thing is not who receives the keys, but it is who issues them.
---aka on 1/1/13


"The keys (Truth) to the Kingdom of Heaven were only given to Peter" barb

Firstly, the "keys" is a metaphor. Or do you really need "keys" to enter the spiritual kingdom of God? The "keys" simply refers to spiritual inheritance. Paul wrote,

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ" Ephesians 1:3.

So, all who are "born of the Spirit of God" WILL receive the "keys" - and not only Peter.
---christan on 12/31/12


Phil, you now say,

"The Glorified One spoke to Paul, not the Twelve. They knew Him according to flesh only."
Who were the disciples seeing Phil? Jesus Christ, (God in the flesh). The reason you make a distinction is because you don't believe the Christ is God. Then you say:

"Failing to divide the word of truth correctly, again."
That is right, your failure to know the Christ of the Bible is what has you going in circles. In fact, if we take Jesus words in faith, He said:
"Assuredly, I say to you, among those born of women there has not risen one greater than John the Baptist:.." (Matt. 11:11).
---Mark_V. on 12/31/12


You realy do not read much about what Paul preached exactly except that Jesus was the promised messiah, and that God is the creator

His writtings are mainly to correct doctrinal error in the churches.

John also does the same in 1, and 2 John,
Peter does the same
James does the same
Jude does the same

Paul met with the other apostles to assure that they were all teaching the exact same thing: Galatians 2:2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain

Paul's message was not different than the other apostles
---francis on 12/30/12




Phil, How can Paul shut the door to the Kingdom when he never received the keys to open or shut it with? The keys (Truth) to the Kingdom of Heaven were only given to Peter and later we are told that Jesus will open the door for Philadelphia because "they have kept His Word."

The keys to the Kingdom are the unadulterated Truths taught by the Son of God to His disciples while He was on earth. No man can open the door and no man can shut the door other than Jesus Christ, Himself. Not even your beloved Paul. Rev. 3:7-13.
---barb on 12/30/12


"You want Paul to share the glory that only goes to Christ."

1C 1:12 ... I am of Paul, and I of Apollos, and I of Cephas, and I of Christ.

Paulians, Apollonians, Cephians, Christians, they're all identical. They are sects, divisions, caused by eyes and hearts of flesh.

Christ Jesus gave the keys to the Kingdom to Peter. Paul shut the door to that Kingdom by divine prophetic utterance, as commanded by God to speak [Ac 28:26-28].

All who seek to enter that Kingdom will fail, as Israel, and only Paul's evangel has any truth for today.

The Glorified One spoke to Paul, not the Twelve. They knew Him according to flesh only.

Failing to divide the word of truth correctly, again.
---Phil on 12/30/12


MarkV read before you write, you said I said Paul wrote commandments And I said follow Paul. TRY READING WHAT OUR APOSTLE WROTE.
1 Cor 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I WRITE UNTO YOU ARE COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD Paul wrote commandments of the Lord.

1 Cor 11:1 BE YE FOLLOWERS OF ME even as I also am of Christ.

Paul, the first(Chief) in the BoC is not equal to Christ, but his writings are your doctrine if you are saved today.
Israel's apostles had no idea Christ was going to die and resurrect, until after the fact, and neither did Abraham, Isaac or Jacob.
---michael_e on 12/30/12


michael e, What I see you doing in so many words is raising Paul equal to Jesus Christ who is God, with your answers. While a few try to destroy Paul, you try to raise him above who he was. He is not God, nor did he write new commandments. When he said to follow him, he was suggesting to imatate him and what he did. But for Christ not for himself. Don't go to far. He was a follower of Christ just like all those who follow Christ. He brought the gospel to many, but not his own gospel, but the gospel of Christ.
You started by suggesting Paul gospel was the one people should follow. Now you say he wrote commandments, and now you say for people to follow him. You need to stop. You want Paul to share the glory that only goes to Christ.
---Mark_V. on 12/30/12


Mt thru Jn, Jesus ministering to Israel. (ref. Rom 15:8)

Paul is our (Gentiles) apostle today, in the dispensation of the grace of God. 1 Tim 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

If you follow the Lord you must follow Paul. 1 Cor 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
Paul wrote commandments of the Lord.

1 Cor 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
---michael_e on 12/29/12


"Christ's sacrifice will cleanse only those who believe that He died for our sins and rose again, but the sacrifice is available to all people for the sins of all people." michael_e

Available? Is salvation a sale? Try reconciling what you've said to what Scripture has declared,

"All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him... no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father." John 6:37,44,65

"...and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed" Acts 13:48 - To believe, you must first be "ordained/elected".
---christan on 12/29/12


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Rom 5:18 ".. even so by the righteousness of one (Jesus Christ) the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."

2 Cors 5:14-15, "..if one (Jesus Christ) died for all, then were all dead: And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again." 1 Tim 2:5-6 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time."
Christ's sacrifice will cleanse only those who believe that He died for our sins and rose again, but the sacrifice is available to all people for the sins of all people.
---michael_e on 12/29/12


michael e, the gospel that Paul preached is the same gospel that has been preached all through history. He could call himself the chief of sinners, since he killed thousands of people. Then he says,

" However, for this reason I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show all longsuffering, as a pattern to "those who are going to believe on Him for everlasting life"

Not believe in Paul, but believe in Christ, (Him). Paul was an example or model. A living proof that God could save any sinner, no matter how great a one he might be.
---Mark_V. on 12/29/12


If Jesus came to save "everyone" then there would be no need of an eternal domain of punishment. That's because "everyone" will be saved. But did He came to save "everyone"?

Many use John 3:16 to say yes but reading further down in John 17:9, Christ prayed to the Father, "I pray for them: I PRAY NOT FOR THE WORLD, but for them which thou hast given me, for they are thine."

So the universalists understanding of John 3:16 that the world means every "Tom, Dick and Harry" is obviously erroneous. From the prayer, we understand that "only those given to Christ by the Father" will be saved and they are in the "world" but not of the "world".
---christan on 12/28/12


Markv you said,
There is no "all" in that passage in 1 Tim. You just understood wrong.//
If you notice there is no some in that passage. Maybe you understood wrong. You might not want to take away or add to.
Also you notice Paul said he was chief.(head man)You can accept or reject the gospel the risen Christ revealed to Paul. Your choice.
---michael_e on 12/28/12


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michael e, you asked me who is right, me or Paul. The answer is, we both are right, and you are wrong. I said Jesus did not come to save all sinners. The passage you gave does not say He came to save all sinners, but to save sinners. There is no "all" in that passage in 1 Tim. You just understood wrong.
Here let me help you, If Jesus came to save all sinners, what happens to those who died in their sins, before Jesus arrived on earth? Are you saying that after death they will be saved? No where are we told that. It is appointed for man to die once and then the judgment. Old Testament saints were saved the same way we are, by Grace through faith. All others without faith, died in their sins.
---Mark_V. on 12/28/12


JackB, so then tell me, did you hear Deuteronomy 30:11-14 and Romans 10:6-8 by virtue of your own "free-will" or did the Spirit of God graciously give you the "ear and heart" to understand and hear the commands of God while you were "dead in sins and trespasses"?

If Israel couldn't hear it, maybe you shouldn't kid yourself that you're better than Israel because you exercised your "free-will" and Israel didn't - to hear and heed the commands of God.
---christan on 12/27/12


Sis. Shira, if you believe the "we" is talking about all of mankind, then you are wrong. Only the elect will be saved. As you know all of mankind is perishing, but only some will be given the gospel with power and the Holy Spirit, the others who are perishing Paul says'
"God sendth them a working of error, that they should believe a lie" (2 Thess. 2:11). They are called upon to behold these things in an external way, wondering and to go on perishing in their sins. Paul in the Synagogue at Antioch in Pisidia says,
"Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish, for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, if one declared it unto you" (Acts 13:41).
---Mark_V. on 12/18/12


Sis. Shira, you are absolutely correct when you said,

"
markv, "we" all are the elect. God does not wish anyone to perish but have eternal life. the elect are all who accept Jesus Christ as their savior."


if you mean the "we" is all believers. If you did then you are correct. All of us who are of the elect are saved, are been saved, and will be saved. They will all be born of the Spirit, by being made alive together with Christ. They will be granted faith to believe, and repentance. They will all come to Christ, be indwelled and spiritually baptized into the body of Christ, will be sealed, and promised eternal life with the Lord.
It is all the work of God.
---Mark_V. on 12/17/12


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MarkV you said
//He didn't come to save all sinners, we know because by the time He came, millions had already died in their sins.//

Paul said He did and that he was first.
1 Tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.

Who is right, you or Paul?
---michael_e on 12/16/12


markv, we all are the elect. God does not wish anyone to perish but have eternal life. the elect are all who accept Jesus Christ as their savior.
---shira4368 on 12/16/12


Sis. Shira, you asked,
" all God's children are the elect. Jesus didn't come to save the elect, He came to save sinners. all sinners. the problem is many reject." He didn't come to save all sinners, we know because by the time He came, millions had already died in their sins.
The elect are those chosen before the foundation of the world by God. All descendants of Adam including the elect are sinners. No one knows who they are. There first mentioned in (Gen. 3:15). The children of God, or the children of the Seed of the woman who is Christ, and the seed of the devil his children. The division beginned by the curse. All of the elect will come to Christ, the "us" "we" are the children of God, born of God.
---Mark_V. on 12/16/12


Shira, I agree with you. You become "the Elect" when you accept Christ & God knows even before we're born whether or not we will recieve Him. Rom. 9:13 ...Jacob I have loved but Esau I have hated. shows God knew that Esau would reject His laws & not follow Him, yet Esau was given the chance just like eveyone else. Free to choose. He would'nt be a merciful God if He allowed you to be born into this world without hope of escaping hell. Everyone has that same chance to accept Him, that's why He died , so we could be part of His family if we would only believe & ask for forgiveness. Some are just too sturborn & will never accept Him.
---Reba on 12/15/12


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markv, of course you are correct. I have noticed I believe some things that she believes. I do try to be kind but sometimes my flesh gets in the way. I still think all of us could use more tact in our replies. the only thing I don't understand about you is the "elect". all God's children are the elect. Jesus didn't come to save the elect, He came to save sinners. all sinners. the problem is many reject. please explain more about this. I know it is in the king james bible but somehow I don't think God selects people to be the elect, however, I do think God knows what we will do in the future but He still gives man a chance to be saved.
---shira4368 on 12/15/12


Sis. Shira, you don't believe in what she believes. Not even close. And you don't ever answer the way she does, no one does. I know you are trying to be kind and loving, but there is no way in heaven both of you believe in the same things. I have read almost all your answers. We might not agree on a few, but let me say we agree on almost everything.
I only agree with her on one issue, the assurance of the saints. OSAS. I know we should never compromise the Truth for a lie just to be kind and loving. It would not be so loving if we agreed on a lie. That is why I keep pressing for the Truth. While she might not like the answer, God knows to whom He will provide His Truth.
---Mark_V. on 12/15/12


kathr, you and I believe the same things but sweet lady, your words are so harsh. you would get more with honey than with vinegar. I know you are trying to convey the truth here and I appreciate that because that is my goal also. God bless
---shira4368 on 12/13/12


Kathr, I will answer to the question. Why don't you let someone touch you to see if you fall backwards or on your face, to see if what they say is true and if that works on jews? I don't believe it is true. I believe it is a lie brought together by the TV evangelist Word of Faith teachers.
---Mark_V. on 12/14/12


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MarkV, ....no I said MarkV DON'T repsond to me. I never said I wouldn't respond to your false doctrine.

Grow up MarkV, and let others post answers to the blog question here.

Start your own calvin blogs and stop hijacking all the blogs for your own ends!
---kathr4453 on 12/12/12


Kathr, you told me you were not going to respond to me. And everywhere I turn you are there. You told everyone how you were not responding to me and there you go again, responding. If you don't like my answers, do not respond. You have been doing this for over five years already. You have not changed at all, and you do stop for awhile, when someone else responds to you as I do. Those who are not afraid of you. You don't like my answers, then don't respond. But inside your heart, it's eating you up, you have to respond. If you are ready to respond to a perticular passage, give the passage an chapter, don't respond with your mouth, and I will answer you kindly.
---Mark_V. on 12/12/12


See, there you go again MarkV, leaving the initial subject and digging up this and that to throw dirt.

why is it your belief or throwing dirt?

I simply answered the question. The QUESTION here has nothing to do with free will or calvinism. But as we all know EVERY blog you end up on becomes a free will calvin blog.

YOU however made accusations against ANYONE who disagrees with you first here.

There was no such person as God JR before His incarnation. Again, just another where not all agree with your RCC doctrine.
---kathr4453 on 12/12/12


Kathr, first, I knew sooner or later you would pop up, its your nature, and Second, of course I knew you believe in once saved always saved, in this case I was not referring to you, because I had already heard that you believed in part of the tulip, you answer Calvinistic many times and don't even realize it. I don't call anyone names, but I rebuke people like you who make a mockery of the Lord by saying out of your own free will, you gave God permission to save you, because all of a sudden you created faith towards God, but only after you gave Him permission to save you. And I also rebuke you for claiming that Jesus became a Son through time, and when told the Truth you call others names. In fact no one is worse then you.
---Mark_V. on 12/12/12


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Well MarkV you are totally WRONG. Although I believe faith comes from us, I also believe once saved always saved, AND to add to that I also believe Jesus saved me.

So now what?
---kathr4453 on 12/12/12


And when they are told the Truth, they do get angry and fight you for their freedom.
They don't like being told God saved them out of His own free will.
---Mark_V. on 12/12/12

Wrong again, and when we tell you we, that is many here are neither calvin or arminian, YOU are the one who gets angry, calls names, makes false statements just like your last post.
---kathr4453 on 12/12/12


All genuine believers place their assurance through faith in the Person of Jesus Christ.
"...so that you are not lacking in any spiritual gift, as you wait for the revealing of our Lord Jesus Christ. who will sustain you to the end, guiltless in the Day of our Lord Jesus Christ.." (1 Cor. 1:7-9).
All those who don't have assurance is because they believe they save themselves of their own free will, and can unsave themselves if they so want to. In fact they believe they can come and go as they please if they want to. They have complete freedom from God.
And when they are told the Truth, they do get angry and fight you for their freedom.
They don't like being told God saved them out of His own free will.
---Mark_V. on 12/12/12


Aka, because most people here have no assurance of their salvation and they put each other down to prove themselves more worthy of Gods special favor over the rest thinking it will some how help them find that assurance. All the while not realizing that it can only come thru faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ on their behalf.

Its takes a heart that is humble and willing to admit they have completely blown their own chance at proving themselves righteous and must reply upon the provision God has made to impute righteousness to them.
---JackB on 12/11/12


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i echo Job!

Job 23.12 Neither have I gone back from the COMMANDMENT of his lips, I have esteemed the words of HIS mouth more than my necessary food.

13 But HE is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what HIS soul desireth, even that HE doeth.

14 For HE performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with HIM.

15 Therefore am I troubled at HIM presence: when I consider, I am afraid of HIM.

16 For God maketh my heart soft, and the Almighty troubleth me:

If you have a heart of flesh you will be troubled too!
Whoever you think you are!
---j_Marc on 12/11/12


"Does the Holy Spirit need a helping hand these days?"

Luke 12:8 Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:

9 But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.

10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

11 And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and unto magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say:

12 For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.
---j_Marc on 12/11/12


\\i feel similar to Paul in what i write. i write what the Holy Spirit puts on my heart at the time.\\

J_Marc, you're not on the spiritual level of St. Paul, nor are you inspired by the Holy Spirit. You merely speak in yourself.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/11/12


why is there so much sarcasm and hate here?. is grace not sufficient?

anyway...yes...jesus even breathed on them. the annointing of the Spirit is to what i referred.

but...it is not important enough to argue.
---aka on 12/10/12


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"cherry picking this and that to say what he wants."

i feel similar to Paul in what i write. i write what the Holy Spirit puts on my heart at the time.

II Cor 6:8 "By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report, as deceivers, and yet true,"

I Cor 9:16 "For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of, for necessity is laid upon me, yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!"
---J-Marc on 12/10/12


Seems to me in the upper room, Jesus already left to go back home 10 days prior, and no one touched anyone that day. And over 100 were in that room, not just the Apostles.

I don't recall anyone touching Cornelius either.
---kathr4453 on 12/10/12


\\who touched the apostles? the anointing is there regardless of any person.
---aka on 12/10/12\\

You're not aware of Jesus touching the Apostles, are you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/10/12


A:In Acts the apostles placed their hands on the people to receive the Holy Spirit. The anointing travels through touch.
---jan4378 on 12/9/12

who touched the apostles? the anointing is there regardless of any person.
---aka on 12/10/12


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RitaH, it's interesting too that these are either touched on the hand or forehead. I too wonder if the mark of the beast is visible. Rev 14:9

The reason I say that is in revelation the 144,000 have the mark of GOD on their forhead,( Rev 14:1) but I don't believe it is visible. ( interesting contrast there in revelation huh?) Just a thought.

When I see that being slain in the spirit is actually DENYING THE CROSS, and is substituted for the cross, it's not only fake, it's evil.

But people want the easy way. a quick fix, a microwaved 30 second experience.

It's just not the WILL of God!
---kathr4453 on 12/10/12


Q:Scripture tells of people 'falling on their face' before God.
A:Each incident is describing willful bowing before God in worship.

Q:These days people always seem to need to be 'touched' by someone and then 'fall backwards' when 'overcome by the Holy Spirit'.
A:These days people live in the full availability of the Holy Spirit ministry.

Q:Does the Holy Spirit need a helping hand these days !! ??
A:In Acts the apostles placed their hands on the people to receive the Holy Spirit. The anointing travels through touch.
---jan4378 on 12/9/12


Cluny and Kathr,
Thank you, I think that says it all really. They're fake.

I do sometimes wonder if the people who attend these meetings in their thousands have been hypnotised. They don't seem to see what WE see.

I believe that the congregations are genuine people (gullible people) but that the 'evangelists' are fake - not truly born again Christians at all. They are charlatans i.m.o.

People need Jesus and they know that they do. It is so sad that they think that they have 'found Him' via a charlatan. They will be misled all the way to the bank!!
---Rita_H on 12/9/12


I believe if you search the scriptures only those who were evil "FELL BACK".

And Paul never listed any spiritual gift as a "catcher". As a matter of fact you will never see any such "organized nonsense" in scripture.

Christians do not need to be slain in the spirit. Their flesh needs to be crucified, and that can ONLY BE DONE with Christ.

Being raised up a New creature again can only be done IN CHRIST. The NEW CREATURE does not need to be slain in the spirit. Again, the Life of Christ in you does not need to be slain, aka KILLED!
---kathr4453 on 12/9/12


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\\The reason for all the 'catchers' at these particular meetings is because they KNOW that everyone will go backwards so they are ready to prevent them hurting themselves.\\

I was talking to a woman on the bus about this very matter. She said the catcher admonished her, "If you'd not going to fall down, leave."

What does this tell you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/8/12


jan4378 - my point exactly.

When it's genuine there should be no need to push or touch anyone in any way,unless it was to prevent them hurting themselves.

The reason for all the 'catchers' at these particular meetings is because they KNOW that everyone will go backwards so they are ready to prevent them hurting themselves.
---Rita_H on 12/8/12


Q:These days people always seem to need to be 'touched' by someone and then 'fall backwards' when 'overcome by the Holy Spirit'.Does the Holy Spirit need a helping hand these days !! ??

A:I've been overwhelmed by the presence of God from time to time. No one touched me. But I did reach for a chair to prevent falling to the floor.
---jan4378 on 12/8/12


There are many groups who have their own ways of outward copy-catting with each other and ones (not all) in each group say they have the only or the most right way. But Paul says, "For we dare not class ourselves or compare ourselves with those who commend themselves. But they, measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise." (2 Corinthians 10:12)

Each time, though, I read how the early church was blessed, there was something different they were doing. But they were obeying God. There was no one set thing they always did for an outward act. And Paul did not write the exact same letter to each church.

Jesus is the way. God is our Creator. He did not make any copies (c:
---willie_c: on 12/8/12


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Seems to me these days, whenever someone goes into a church he gets touched.
Sometimes more than once!

Maybe thats why their falling on their backsides instead of their faces.
Peace
---TheSeg on 12/8/12


Family, when I read " falling on your face" remind me, come as I am tired worn out the near end of the day & just worship Him. Stop everything bask in his presence" when He finally touches me & I feel renew again.I sing praises..
---ELENA on 12/7/12


When I read, "falling on their face before God" I automatically think, bow down before Him in prayer & worship. That's something I don't do everyday & I feel I should. Don't misunderstand me, I DO PRAY everyday, I just fail to bow down to pray. Too busy or too tired(because lots of time I'm praying before going to sleep). However, I remember something my Mama rold me, "We should take the time everyday to get down on our knees in reverence & worship to God when we pray to Him." And even though I haven't managed to do it everyday, as yet, I do agree that we should do it. It's my goal to make it a daily practice for me.:-)
---Reba on 12/7/12


No, He does not need a helping hand. Being "slain in the spirit" as these false teachers call it is not Biblical. The same people who believe this are still asking for "old time pentecostal" to return. Problem is that the old stuff wasn't of God many times. The Holy Spirit will work without our help.
---KarenD on 12/7/12


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\\RitaH: The Holy Spirit has never need a helping hand from us humans. Nor will He ever need our help. We are in need of His help. \\

On the other hand, the Holy Spirit works through people.

\\Also, we do not need anyone touching us to be filled with the Holy Spirit.\\

Are Acts 8:15, 18, and 9:17 not in your Bible?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/7/12


Trish, thankyou. There was a hint of sarcasm at the end of my question, hence the exclamation marks. I DO know that the Holy Spirit needs no help from us. It would seem that some of these televangelists DON'T know that though.
---Rita_H on 12/7/12


"And whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him, that your Father in heaven may also forgive you your trespasses.'" (Mark 11:25)

"So the LORD spoke with Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend." (in Exodus 33:11)
---willie_c: on 12/7/12


We frequently make prostrations (falling on the face) in Orthodoxy, but never on Sunday or from Pascha through Pentecost.

We especially make prostrations during Great Lent.

Being "slain in the spirit" is a fond thing, vainly invented, founded upon no warrant of scripture, but rather repugnant to the Word of God.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/7/12


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There are very many televangelists, especially in America, but we have them in U.K. also.

All of those I have seen (and I won't name them as you'll guess their names I'm sure) touch those who go forward in the meetings, on their forehead, and appear to push them - backwards. Whether they actually push or not I'd just like to know how scriptural this is.

Falling prostrate before God shows humility and repentance and grace. Falling or being pushed backwards displays nothing like that. It seems to be more like hypnosis or hysteria.

How do you all view such events or have you been affected at such events?
---Rita_H on 12/7/12


RitaH: The Holy Spirit has never need a helping hand from us humans. Nor will He ever need our help. We are in need of His help. Also, we do not need anyone touching us to be filled with the Holy Spirit. We only need to humble ourselves by falling on our faces, and confessing our sins, and thanking Him for His forgiveness.
---Trish on 12/7/12


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