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//create evil is another way to say create turmoil.
---aka on 12/22/12//
Understood.
Before the birth of Jesus, God continued to intervene so that the Blood-line (Kings and Lords) would be fulfilled - just as it was spoken and written.
To be the King of king and Lord of lords

Praise God He is a just, true and fair God.
Ysha: God is Savior

Jn 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
---char on 12/23/12


//Your comment above exposes your total lack of understanding and knowledge of not only Scriptures but of who God is.// christan

ahh, ha, ha....i am talking about john calvin and you call me the fool...ha, ha, ha... i can't breathe!...whew..my goodness!

//Are you going to accuse God of being a murderer because He slew Er?//

No...it is written...and John Calvin's life is well documented too.

//That's why you have a god of your own imagination which is nothing close to the God of the Bible.//

are you talking to yourself, again? You must have a mirror in your bible.
---aka on 12/23/12


"so is following the teachings of a murderer and inserting himself into scripture where he does not belong." aka

Your comment above exposes your total lack of understanding and knowledge of not only Scriptures but of who God is.

I'm sure you're going to have a problem with Genesis 39:7, "And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord, and the Lord slew him."

Are you gong to accuse God of being a murderer because He slew Er? That's why you have a god of your own imagination which is nothing close to the God of the Bible.
---christan on 12/23/12


Very well said, Phil!
1C 8:6 But to us there is one God, the Father, out of whom are all things... Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge.

But, 1st_cliff said:
Knowledge of good and evil and doing them are two different things.
Just like everyone who cant understand.

The knowledge of good and evil, and doing them is what this is all about.
All knowledge must be given to man by God.
How else can it be believe?

Just like:
If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin:
but now they have no cloke for their sin.

Or faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Not study, but God, himself. Impossible!
Peace
---TheSeg on 12/23/12


1C 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Humanity, in it's present state is slated for destruction [2Pt 3:10].

It has always been the plan of God to destroy the flesh and retain the spirit of man alone. Such are sons of God, spiritual beings, not fleshly and of the earth.

Destruction and corruption are out of God for His purposes. All things come out of God the Father.

1C 8:6 But to us there is one God, the Father, out of whom are all things... Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge.

Jn 8:42 For out of God I came forth and am arriving

2C 5:18 And ALL THINGS are of God,
---Phil on 12/23/12




Seg, Knowledge of good and evil and doing them are two different things.
If you think creating wickedness brings glory and honor to God then you're as koo-koo as Christian!
---1st_cliff on 12/23/12


Christian, Regardless of what it looks like, no way did God actually create "wickedness" for his own pleasure!
To believe such is ludicrous,to teach such is defamatory!
1st_cliff on 12/22/12

I always find it humorous the way some read scripture.
Then say its just plain wrong.

Rev_4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.


But, lets go back to the beginning.
Gen_2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food, the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good (and evil.)!
Peace
---TheSeg on 12/23/12


christan, you are the expert on foolishness.

so is following the teachings of a murderer and inserting himself into scripture where he does not belong.
---aka on 12/23/12


"create evil is another way to say create turmoil." aka

Your answer is a testimony of your foolishness. Solomon simply declared without exception (unlike your reasoning), "The Lord has made all for Himself, Yes, even the wicked for the day of doom."

Notice Solomon and Isaiah never made any exception to what they wrote in Proverbs 16:4 and Isaiah 45:7, so what right have you to think otherwise of what was written. According to John, that's adding on to the word and there are consequences to such additions to the Scriptures.
---christan on 12/23/12


1stCliff, the spirit that was in Pilate is in you. It's written, "Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice."

To which the faithless man replied, "Pilate saith unto him, What is truth?" Truth was standing before him and yet he couldn't comprehend, just like the passages that's being presented before you and yet you can't believe. I'm not here to convert, that's the work of the Spirit. Nothing else I can do but witness the Truth, for it's up to God to show mercy.
---christan on 12/22/12




create evil is another way to say create turmoil.
---aka on 12/22/12


Christian, Regardless of what it looks like, no way did God actually create "wickedness" for his own pleasure!
To believe such is ludicrous,to teach such is defamatory!
---1st_cliff on 12/22/12


Christian,You read scripture like a mindless robot. "That's what it says,that's what it says"
No thoughts as to what it means,impies,conext etc.
No idea that it was written in now defunct language.
Even English has changed in the last 100 years.
That's what it says it also says "He will punish thoses who do not know God"2Thes.1.8
---1st_cliff on 12/22/12


"If it is ,as you suggest, that God creates/does wickedness,then He is a wicked god! (blasphomy)" 1stCliff

Then God must has blasphemed Himself. That's because it was He who declared, "The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil." and "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

And if you have a problem with evil, go read the Bible before you shoot off your mouth and look foolish. You don't even know the God of the Bible and you want to tell people who He is, from your fallen state you inherited from Adam?
---christan on 12/21/12


Christian, It all boils down to this.
Who is a wicked person?
Of course one who does wicked deeds!
If it is ,as you suggest, that God creates/does wickedness,then He is a wicked god! (blasphomy)
Prov.6.16 One thing God hates is "a heart that devises wicked schemes!"
---1st_cliff on 12/21/12


"There's a difference between "evil" and "wicked"!" 1stCliff

Ya right! Maybe you would like to go slug it out with the dictionary before you take on the Word of God. Your explanation of Proverbs 16:4, Isaiah 45:7 and Amos 3:6 falls short of the glory that's to be given to God Almighty.

And just to prove to you how wrong you are: "And God saw that the WICKEDNESS of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only EVIL continually." Genesis 6:5

In one verse, God used "WICKEDNESS and EVIL" to describe the very creature He created. These words are description of FAITHLESSNESS in the fallen man.
---christan on 12/20/12


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Christian, There's a difference between "evil" and "wicked"!
The plagues were an evil to the Egyptians ,not wicked!
God displays His solverency through His power.IE Prov.6.4 even through "wicked men"God displays His power (Ex9.16)
Isa.45.7 create "disaster" (NIV) like the darkness in Egypt!
Amos 3 was musing rhetorically , each picture is of cause and effect using figures drawn from daily life and culminating in Divine action vs.6
God hates "wickedness! period!
---1st_cliff on 12/20/12


"I notice that you don't cite the scripture that ,on the surface, seems to read that God created wickedness." 1stCliff

Put on your glasses, read carefully. I assure you there's no interpretation required by anyone, least by you. Here goes,

"The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil." Proverbs 16:4, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." Isaiah 45:7, "Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?" Amos 3:6
---christan on 12/19/12


1Cliff, you just don't believe Scripture, You say,
"All those put to death by God were "necessary" and for our benefit.
Killing innocents is never in "God's plan"!"

God commanded the slaughter of the Canaanites, Amorites, Hivites, Jebusites, woman and innocent children. Even animals were commanded by God to be killed. The Iraelites were told before they carried out their judgment on the Canaanites that the reason they were to utterly destroy them was
"that they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods" (Deut. 20:18). That was the reason God gave. Innocent children did not worship gods. Yet they were to be destroyed.
---Mark_V. on 12/19/12


Christian, I notice that you don't cite the scripture that ,on the surface, seems to read that God created wickedness.
This in itself is rediculous, context and interpretation may show a different light on this KJV passage!
---1st_cliff on 12/19/12


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MarkV, you are abolutely correct!

Here is a proof text:
Rev13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him (not Christ, but the Beast), whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

I love that, "Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

God forknew man would sin, and in the mind and purpose of God Christ's victory on the cross was accomplished before man was ever created!

Isn't God good!!! What great love he has for his children!!!
---trey on 12/18/12


"By implicating God in wicked deeds you're suggesting that He is complicit, a situation where you need to be trembling." 1stCliff

How am I "implicating God is complicit" when I show Scriptures that it was God who declared that's what He does. Do you need to decode a verse like:

"The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil. OR The king's heart is in the hand of the Lord, as the rivers of water: He turneth it whithersoever He will."

Maybe you'd like to direct your to accusation to Solomon, the prophets and apostles of "implicating God is complicit". For I am only reading what is written by them.
---christan on 12/18/12


Christian, By implicating God in wicked deeds you're suggesting that He is complicit, a situation where you need to be trembling.
I would not care to be in you shoes when He says "We are not amused!"
---1st_cliff on 12/18/12


"Paul tells us that Adam was disobedient... Adam's eating of the fruit been an act of obedience?" trey

How can disobeying God's command to not eat of the tree be an "act of obedience"? Even if it was purposed and willed by God that Adam would disobey? It's like saying Herod, Pilate and the Jews who "were gathered together, For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done" was an act of "obedience" to God. All these evil acts are known as "faithless respond", deserving of death.

What were they purposed to do? Commit EVIL! And guess what, we're all going to be held accountable by God Almighty. That's the meaning of Sovereign.
---christan on 12/18/12


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trey, I don't know what bible you're reading but I do know when I read the Holy Bible of the King James Version, when it speaks of "evil", it points to only the man. "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." Genesis 6:5

Your explanation makes no sense and deny God His glory when He declared that it's Him who has created evil. God's judgments are NEVER evil but just. That's because He's Holy. Why do you think His Son had to die for the sins of His people? Doesn't it tell you that His tolerance for sin is ZERO?
---christan on 12/18/12


Bro. Trey, you said to Christan,
"Ro5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Paul tells us that Adam was disobedient. If God had authored or planned it then would not Adam's eating of the fruit been an act of obedience?"


What you are really saying is that man suddenly disobeyed and it was not in God's plan. We are told that Christ "was foreknown indeed as a sacrifice for sin before the foundation of the world"
Paul speaks of the eternal purpose in Jesus Christ our Lord (Eph. 3:11). The plan of redemption is traced back into eternity, the plan to permit man to fall must also extend back into eternity.
---Mark_V. on 12/18/12


"The Lord did make all things for himself with respect to the creation of all things, but he does not make some men wicked." trey

Proverbs 16:4 says what it says. And that is God created evil that He will destroy evil on Judgment Day. Your unbelief that God can and will create such a vessel is a problem between you and God, not me. Paul explicitly taught this in Romans 9 and multitudes like you cannot get pass this chapter without "forming your own thought's instead of believing word for word that's written by the apostle and that is,

"Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?"
---christan on 12/18/12


christian, let us reason together.

1st Adam's sin in the garden:
Ro5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Paul tells us that Adam was disobedient. If God had authored or planned it then would not Adam's eating of the fruit been an act of obedience?

Isa 45:7 "create evil"
God does creat "evil", not the evil of sin, but the evil of punishment for sin, God's sore judgments, famine, pestilence, evil beasts, etc.
---trey on 12/17/12


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christian,
Prov 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

The Lord did make all things for himself with respect to the creation of all things, but he does not make some men wicked. When God made man he made him good and then man (Adam) sinned and plunged the whole world into sin.

yea, even the wicked for the day of evil. This is an illustration that God is the great creator. The point of the verse is that God uses the destruction of the wicked for his glory. Again, when God made man he declared him to be very good. Gen 1:31.
---trey on 12/17/12


"Killing innocents is never in "God's plan"!" 1stCliff

Do you even realise what the fall of Adam did to mankind? Obviously you don't and you're babbling about how "innocent" people are before God? All these calamities happening are simply reminding us that mankind does not have peace with God.

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness, Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them, for God hath shewed it unto them."

Guess what, you're suppressing the Truth.
---christan on 12/17/12


"Our God is not the author of sin!" trey

Call it what you want, author or creator. But my God is Holy and in His Holiness, he can never sin - period. Do you know what's the origin of sin? The knowledge of it! And guess who's the Only One who has that knowledge?

He explicitly declared right before our eyes, "The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

Your fight is not with me but with God. Bottomline, you're in unbelief of who He has declared Himself to be. And true faith will never deny God of His glory and power.
---christan on 12/17/12


Christian, The death of Christ was "necessaty" to our salvation.mass murders do not aid mankind except in your warped mind!
All those put to death by God were "necessary" and for our benefit.
Killing innocents is never in "God's plan"!
---1st_cliff on 12/17/12


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About the school massacre in Connecticut and all senseless tragedies.

One thing we need to remember is that this physical life is NOT all there is. There is also the world to come. Our present physical existence is not even a blip on the radar.

And about these innocent children who were conformed to the image of Christ's death, remember that God Himself knows what it is to see His Son die.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/17/12


Bro. Trey, I am curious why you said what you did and if you can explain how God limited the punishment that Jesus got when you said,

"In other words, God delivered his Son into the hands of wicked man and limited in advance the punishment that they would deal out."

What actions did God take to limit the punishment given to His Son? Do you mean, because He didn't allow them to break His bones? Because what I read concerning His death, is that short of using electricity, just about everything was done to Him. We do know that God restrains sin in some form or other, for people could be worse then God allows them to be. I just wondered what you know that I don't concerning Jesus death.
---Mark_V. on 12/17/12


christcs, your doctrine is in error. Let us look at the verse:
Ac4:27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
Ac4:28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.

The word "determined" comes from the Greek work Proorizo (pronounced Pro-or-idzo) and it means to limit in advance.

In other words, God delivered his Son into the hands of wicked man and limited in advance the punishment that they would deal out.

Our God is not the author of sin!
---trey on 12/17/12


"If you think the "evil" at Sandy Hook was from God's hand, your mental state needs evaluating!" 1stCliff

You claim to be a "believer", let me ask you this - the crucifixion of Jesus Christ - which is the most evil and wicked act by mankind - was the "hands of the Father" involved? I'll let Scripture tell you,

"For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, FOR TO DO WHATSOEVER THY HAND AND COUNSEL DETERMINED BEFORE TO BE DONE." Acts 4:27,28

And you dare say you're a "believer" of the Word? Nice try...
---christcs on 12/16/12


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1Cliff, the problem you have is you look at things from your worldly eyes, and things just don't look right to you, the reason you deny the Word of God. And if someone gives you God's word, you complain they give you God's word. When passages that talk about the Sovereignty of God and what He did through history to all the nations, you don't count them, because in your mind those children killed then were really not children like today's children. When will you ever know the God of Scripture? He does what He so desires. He is the same yesterday, today and forever.
---Mark_V. on 12/17/12


Christian, You cite Job **shall we recieve good at the hand of God and not recieve evil?**
If you think the "evil" at Sandy Hook was from God's hand, your mental state needs evaluating!
You need some lessons in Christianity!
---1st_cliff on 12/16/12


"I'm sure you can comfort the people of Sandy Hook by telling them it was all in God's wonderful plan!" 1stCliff

As hard as it may be what happened at Sandy Hook, God be glorified.

God declared in Isaiah, "This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations. For the Lord of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?

Learn from Job, "Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips."

You have a heart like Job's wife.
---christan on 12/15/12


Kelly, everything that happens is the will of God. It all has a divine purpose. Challenges that come our way, are known by God, and are a part of the plan of God. While many do not believe that the love of God is not for every single individual, all they have to do is read Scripture, how God treated the other nations. And even the nation of Israel, He allowed it to be slaves for disobeying Him, then take them out, then let them be defeated again. All with a purpose in mind. To get them where He wanted them to be. Every time they lost, thousands lost their lives. Every time they won, the other nations lost thousands of lives. All they have to ask themselves if God loved them all the same? God depenses His love the way He wants it.
---Mark_V. on 12/15/12


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Christian,I'm sure you can comfort the people of Sandy Hook by telling them it was all in God's wonderful plan!
Sick theology!
---1st_cliff on 12/15/12


Kelly, I believe the answer to your question is "YES"! In the scriptures were are taught:
1Th5:17 Pray without ceasing.

1Th5:18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
(By the way, he didn't say "for ever thing", he said "in every thing".)

Lu18:1 And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray, and not to faint,

Divine purpose of challenge - teach us to lean on the Lord and seek his face!
---trey on 12/15/12


To Shira4368, Thankyou,I am glad you got my post.you posts taught me alot.Via internet I feel my daughter not in USA.They lived in Mexico some years.Now, I can't find where they are.Her husband very cruel but intelligent.Yes! I remember you told me bout the man at your church his daughter marry muslim guy. God bless him hold on to faith.I am not giving.up.Good! she alert the embassy I believe it a step - it NOT impossible I have heard seen on TV people who later embassy got out! Nothing impossible with God! My son-inlaw family Somalia people. The muslims here say they are ruthless! They are afraid of them. Her husband has made her do terrible things.She told me.We got to hold on to faith! Amen.
---ELENA on 12/14/12


Ruben, O I do not deny that God is love, BUT according to the Scriptures, He doesn't love everyone. But that's your problem with God not me. It's written in black/white:

"Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction."

God here declares He created "vessels of dishonour, fitted to destruction" for the sole purpose of "demonstrating His wrath". To you that's goofy, to me that's awesome!
---christan on 12/14/12


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elena, you are welcome. thank you for the sweet words. I just told the truth and I want to commend you on the way you answer post. I am praying for your daughter. can you tell me if she is living in the middle east? one of my church friends' daughter lives in the middle east with her husband and she wants out and can't get out. the embassy won't help her and she is stuck. is being abused by her husband and father in law. God bless you sweet lady.
---shira4368 on 12/13/12


Christian, You're a great scripture quoter but none of these are relevant.
It's a given that God will accomplish His purpose,His purpose love motivated not the goofy things you believe!
Witha all your getting get understanding (Prov.18.2)
---1st_cliff on 12/13/12


This for Shira4368 May the lord bless you. Just got to say your comment on 12/10/12 really awesome ourGod! God is holy God he doesn't break his promises! He is too everything way above even our little minds we can never complain about him. I would Not be alive right now! Thankyou Shira4368
ELENA love of JESUS forevermore!
---ELENA on 12/13/12


Creating man in His own image and likeness takes eons. Humanity, for the most part, has done this without His power and Spirit.

Our election to be Christ's body is to demonstrate conformity to His Son's image. He is the new humanity, and the completed image of God.

All men will one day wear this glorious image, He being the head over all.

Every circumstance, every activity everywhere is leading to God's grand goal.

"Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him..."

Now, please note the rest of this verse, as understanding this avails great blessing.

"that God may be All in all."
(1Cor 15:28)
---Phil on 12/13/12


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1stCliff, you have been shown numerous Scriptures that supports my understanding and belief. Whereas it debunks yours.

"Hitler ,PolPot,Saddam,Ben Laden etc. etc. all doing God's will,...you're one sick puppy!"

Again for your eyes, ""Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass, I have purposed it, I will also do it." Isaiah 46:11

"Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for THOU HAS CREATED ALL THINGS, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." Revelation 4:11

If I'm sick, you must be BLIND!
---christan on 12/12/12


1Ciff, God does not learn as time goes on. He is outside of Time. He knows all things. He ordained all things. You have Scripture to testify of that, He gives us the beginning and the end through His Word. If He didn't know the end, how could He give it to us? Get real Cliff. He choose every man, to live and die at a perticular time. Every animal, for He controls all things. If He doesn't then He is not God, don't call Him God if you don't believe that, call Him something else.
He knew all the people that would sin and all those who will be saved. Jesus Christ was foreknown as a sacrifice for sin before the foundation of the world. It was not an after thought brought about when Adam sinned are in the days of Noah.
---Mark_V. on 12/12/12


Christian, Twisting scripture to suit your theology is stock and trade of those likewise in your foolish babbling.
Hitler ,PolPot,Saddam,Ben Laden etc. etc. all doing God's will,...you're one sick puppy!
---1st_cliff on 12/12/12


1stCliff, it's your head that's filled with hot air! If nothing in this world that happens, be it good or evil was not part of God's plan, then He would be lying when He explicitly declared, "Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass, I have purposed it, I will also do it." Isaiah 46:11

Even the bird does God's bidding, what more the man and the elements He created. It's also true that God "does not desire the death of the wicked" but do you think He "purposed" the wicked to die? Of course!

You are living in Disney land's fantasy world.
---christan on 12/11/12


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Christian,Your theory is full of hot air, The flood was not in God's "plan" He said "God saw how corrupt the earth had BECOME for all the people on earth had corrupted thier ways" (Gen.6.12) "BECAUSE of them I am going to destroy...") not because it was in the Devine "PLAN".
Because Korah,Dathan and Abiram treated the Lord with contempt (Num.16.30)that thousands of their followers died.NOT because it was in the Devine "Plan" Get real!
---1st_cliff on 12/11/12


Yes! God does defintely,have purpose & destiny in mind...take myself, been for years my daughter has to get blood transfusions/ primerly from me! Now she marries into a cult ( her husband do not allow ) any outside contact.Nobody! No family, No friends..she used to sneak , ask me " hey, do you know who this is? Dumb question.yeah, you the one forgot me. She ask you still give me blood if I need? Of course! So God has destiny, vision & purpose. Now having Cancer She got to pray go to God.Not 100% no more with someone else blood. Plus I carry the gene for breast cancer pray she doesn't.So yes God hold the cards! Amen.
---ELENA on 12/11/12


"The purpose of Armageddon and judgement is to rid the world of evil." 1stCliff

And have you ever asked yourself where did evil come from? Outside of the will and purpose of God? Only in your imagination! For we have shown you over and over again from the Holy Scriptures where evil derived from.

Does that make God evil? Of course not! That's because He's Holy and unchangeable. That's the meaning of His declaration "For I am the Lord, I change not" Malachi 3:6

Even Job spoke, "But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and SHALL WE NOT RECEIVE EVIL?"

You're like Job's wife.
---christan on 12/11/12


1Cliff, what I put down is Biblical, you say, not true. If Scripture is not true to you it's because you have no faith. In your mind and wisdom, you've created a much different god then the God of the Bible. All rapped up like a present.
I never said people did not make choices during the day. But concerning salvation the choice belongs to God along.
"It is God who saved us, and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before times eternal" (2 Tim. 1:9). He says,
"I am God and there is none like Me, declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things that are not yet done" (Isa. 46:9,10).
---Mark_V. on 12/11/12


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"I certainly don't believe the nonsense that you and Mark believe. When scripture says "God is love" I embrace it wholeheartedly!" 1stCliff

Of course "God is love", but does He love everyone? Scripture declares, "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." Obviously God doesn't love everyone!

Do you think God loved Cain, the world but for eight souls during the great flood, the city of Sodom & Gomorra, Pharaoh & Egypt, King Herod, Pilate, Judas and those who crucified Christ? The answer is clear isn't it?

You accuse the Scriptures of being "nonsense" when showed that God hates. You're a hypocrite!
---christan on 12/11/12


1Cliff, the love of God is displayed all through Scripture, but you see it a different way.
Remember (Deut. 20:16,17)? A command by God to the people of Israel:
"But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth, but thou shalt utterly destroy them:.."
This was an act of love on behalf of God. You might not see it that way, but it was. These people had become so morally corrupt they were like a cancer. The kindness thing God could do was to remove that cancer from its root. It was threatening the very life of the whole human race. So God had that cancer removed.
It might not look love to you, but it was God's love for mankind.
---Mark_V. on 12/11/12


Christian, Unbeliever??I certainly don't believe the nonsense that you and Mark believe.
When scripture says "God is love" I embrace it wholeheartedly! None of the wickedness that's gone on for six thousand years originated from our loving Father.
The purpose of Armageddon and judgement is to rid the world of evil.
If this present world is an example of God's controlling "all things" then who would want to live forever???? More of the same??? God says He doesn't change!
---1st_cliff on 12/10/12


"How can anyone trust a god like that?" barb

You cannot trust the God of the Holy Bible is because you have been "programmed" or as God declares, "purposed" to not trust Him. It says so in Isaiah 46:11, "Calling a ravenous bird from the east, THE MAN THAT EXECUTETH MY COUNSEL FROM A FAR COUNTRY: YEA, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass, I HAVE PURPOSED IT, I WILL ALSO DO IT."

The laws of God was given for ONE specific reason, "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." Romans 3:20

And you want to do the law? Good for you...
---christan on 12/10/12


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I understand, 1st Cliff. Unfortunately, most folks have been programmed since birth to believe that God gave rules and laws knowing full well that no one could ever keep them. How can anyone trust a god like that?

You asked a really good question about why God would give Israel a choice...life or death. I believe we have the same choice to make today. Rev 21:7.
---barb on 12/10/12


"No one in their right mind would believe that God orchestrated all the evil things that happened and continue to happen." 1stCliff

Isn't that a classic definition of an "unbeliever"? Didn't God explicitly declared in His Word:

"The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil." Proverbs 16:4, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." Isaiah 45:7

"Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure." Isaiah 46:11
---christan on 12/10/12


1st cliff, where did you get the idea that I don't believe in choice? it didn't come from me. I believe we all have a choice. we can choose to be saved and all that takes is an open mind. when we open our minds to Christ, we can be saved.
---shira4368 on 12/10/12


"Is there no one who understands????" 1stCliff

Romans 11:33-35, "O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?"


1 Corinthians 1:25,"Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men."
---christan on 12/10/12


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Shira/Mark, I realize it's difficult to shake the preconceived ideas,It's not a question of not believing God.
No one in their right mind would believe that God orchestrated all the evil things that happened and continue to happen.
God would not plead with mankind to change if it was all preordained.(rocket science??)
You obviously can't comprehend "CHOICE".
From the time you open your eyes in the morning 'till you go to sleep at night you/we make hundreds of choices through the day.
Some of these choices affect our very lives!
---1st_cliff on 12/10/12


1st cliff, in a post earlier someone said God didn't keep His promises in a timely manner to benefit anyone. I quoted Romans 8:28. it would benefit you to read it. you don't even need to study it but just read it. ever heard the song "when I see the Blood, He will pass He will pass over me".
---shira4368 on 12/10/12


1Cliff, of course it is a charade to you. Everything is all wrong to you. Why does that not surprise me? Here let me tell you why, I know the Word of God means nothing to those who have no faith, Why?
"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us, who are being saved it is the power of God." (1 Cor. 1:18).
I don't expect you to believe any of it. No one has a gun to your head and says you must believe it. No one is stopping you. you have a will, but it is not for the Word of God. I totally understand your wisdom.
"For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God,.. (V. 1:21).
---Mark_V. on 12/10/12


//However, Romans says that all things work together for good for those who love the Lord, according to HIS purpose.//

Agree with Cluny on the verse but we can be pretty stuiped sometimes and leave the desires and authority of God and create challenges which God will use to call us back to him but that we should not have gotten into in the first place if we had followed him. example prodical son he should have never been with the pigs but hindsight is 20/20.
---Scott1 on 12/10/12


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"Do you believe that GOD has a divine purpose for every challenge that comes into our lives?" Yes.
"Knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience. [So] let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing." Jam 1:3,4
For '"By your patience [You] possess your souls. Luk 21:19
Therefore "we glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance, and perseverance, character, and character, hope, and hope does not put us to shame. Rom 5:3-5
---josef on 12/9/12


I think so far the answers are pretty dumb:
The flood, Sodom and Gommorah,Armageddon, killing all the firstborn in Egypt,murder of God's own Son etc.etc.. All in the wonderful plan?????
So pleading with Israel to return to obedience,choose life, whosoever will,whosoever believes etc. all a theatrical charade!!
Is there no one who understands????
---1st_cliff on 12/9/12


Bro. Willie, I loved your answer. I too believe that God is in control of everything. His plan is complete before His eyes. Nothing can change within that plan. It has an ending already. Everyone and everything is unfolding that plan through time, since God does not live through time. If one thing was out of order, or one molecule entered the plan of God and changed something, then God would not be God. The molecule that changed something would be more powerful the God.
---Mark_V. on 12/9/12


Yes, the divine purpose for all that happens in our lives is that God be glorified in everything we do, regardless of our trials.
---Trish on 12/8/12


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God micro-manages all things, always with His divine purposes eternal and in time and material and spiritually practical and social and interpersonal > He is always all-multi-tasking (c: not limited to how we might try to use our theories to dictate what He can do and how He does things (c: But all He is doing is connected with His eternal purpose for us "to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren." (in Romans 8:29)
---willie_c: on 12/8/12


Yes I do.

The above three words are my answer but, without my adding more words, C.N. would not accept this as an answer.
---Rita_H on 12/8/12


If you push this question too far, you will wind up with God living in time that unfolds in sequential events, but God is beyond time. That's what "eternal" means.

However, Romans says that all things work together for good for those who love the Lord, according to HIS purpose.

How time and eternity articulate is a mystery.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/8/12


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