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Does the gospel bring salvation? In other words, does hearing the gospel save a man?

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There is, it was revealed to Paul, by the risen Christ, the 12 knew nothing about it, and neither did Abraham.
---michael_e on 12/26/12
wel, i want to know who paul's gospel differed from the 12, and how it differed from the gospel that Abraham was taught
---francis on 12/27/12


Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Luk 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables, that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.


He did say it was given!
For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

Peace
---TheSeg on 12/27/12


francis:

You said to Mark_V.: HEY BIG IDIOT

Matthew 5:22
"But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."

I suggest that you refrain from calling others fools, lest you imperil your own soul. Don't take my word for it. Take Jesus's word for it.
---StrongAxe on 12/27/12


markv, go read your post. I know the israelites can be saved but most of them don't think the messiah has arrived yet. they are still looking for Him. your post confused me...wow, hopefully no one will take this and run with it. wouldn't surprise me tho. I'm talking about the part that says "your post confused me." lol
---shira4368 on 12/27/12


THE GOSPEL unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed."(part of kingdom gospel)

Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." (part of the kingdom gospel)

Luke 18:31-33"Then he took unto him the twelve,"....
and explained His death, burial and resurrection.
34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.
This is the gospel revealed to Paul (1Cor 15:1-4) by the risen saviour.
What was told to Abraham won't save you.
Knowing who Jesus is, is not enough to save you.
Believing Paul's gospel, that Christ died for your sins, was buried and rose again will save you.
---michael_e on 12/27/12




"There is, it was revealed to Paul, by the risen Christ, the 12 knew nothing about it, and neither did Abraham." michael_e

There is? Maybe then you would like to enlighten us what Paul was teaching in Galatians 3:8,"And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, PREACHED BEFORE THE GOSPEL unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed."

As for your understanding of "the 12 knew nothing", this is what Christ told Peter when he was asked who Christ was, "And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." Knew nothing? Most definitely Peter knew more than you thought!
---christan on 12/27/12


---Mark_V. on 12/27/12
HEY BIG IDIOT
where have I ever posted righteousness by works?

It is only because you are an idiot that you think that if you honour your father and mother that you are seeking righteousness by works
---francis on 12/27/12


\\There is, it was revealed to Paul, by the risen Christ, the 12 knew nothing about it\\

How strange.

Acts 1 says that in the 40 days between His Resurrection and His Ascension, Jesus was teaching the 11 the mysteries of the Kingdom of God.

You mean they knew NOTHING about the Gospel, and Jesus told them nothing in all this time?

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/27/12


Nana, IT IS AMAZING!
You babble just like a baby.

Blah, blah blah...
"Are you with me?"
Blah, blah blah...
"Are you still with me?"
Blah, blah blah...
"Are you still with me?"

And then say to me, you want me to treat you like an adult?
Take a good look at the words you cover up with your babblings.
Then go to the top of the page, and look at the heading.

Are Tongues For Today! Obviously not!
Even when spoken clearly, all people hear is babblings.
Isnt that so Nana

And yes, I knew from your first post to me.
It was just babblings, to you.
And will remain so.

But like you say:
You can choose to change it, right!
Peace
---TheSeg on 12/27/12


michael e, please consider the following:
Gal3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Also, please consider Peter's preaching on the day of Pentecost.

It is my belief that these men understood the gospel. I also thank God that he revealed it unto Paul.

Lord bless you.
---trey on 12/27/12




francis, you are so twisted with your laws, you cannot tell when you are so wrong. Isaiah 66: is talking about the nation of Israel in the future. Also notice that nowhere does it say Saturday Sabbath. It says, "From one Sabbath to another" just like one New moon to another. The only way they are going to be saved is if they are saved by grace through faith. One way only, through Christ. And our salvation is spiritual, the only rest we get as being born of the Spirit is Jesus Christ. What you want is for the Old Testament laws to continue, even to the new Jerusalem. Those of Abraham after the flesh do not belong to Christ.
---Mark_V. on 12/27/12


the 12 knew nothing about it, and neither did Abraham.
---michael_e on 12/26/12

Micheal, are you saying Abraham was not saved?
---Scott1 on 12/27/12


//I thought there was only One Gospel//
There is, it was revealed to Paul, by the risen Christ, the 12 knew nothing about it, and neither did Abraham.
---michael_e on 12/26/12


Sis. Shira, salvation has always been availible to Israel all through history but to this day as a nation are still lost.
"But Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness. Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law." (Rom. 9:31,32).
None of them had faith. And without faith their is no salvation. They tried to do what francis and the others are doing, pursuing it by the Works of the law as the passage indicates. Through the law there is no salvation.
---Mark_V. on 12/27/12


TheSeg,
Mark_V. is always condescending to francis, "francis, the passage you gave is not for believers in Christ."

You too when elsewere you went on,

Blah, blah blah...
"Are you with me?"
Blah, blah blah...
"Are you still with me?"
Blah, blah blah...
"Are you still with me?"

As if he is a child and you his mommy spoon feeding him. I get annoyed with the attitude of both of you, Am I the only other one?

Galatians 6:7 "Be not deceived, God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."
---Nana on 12/27/12


Am I the only one who is getting annoyed?
With francis using the word IDIOT every other posts.

I think it's enough already!
It is a Christian site is it not.
Why should anyone put up with this nonsense?

I find it offensive, already!
Over and over and over again!
If he does it again delete his post.
Man it's really enough.
---TheSeg on 12/26/12


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"it's evident "Paul gospel"" michael_e

That's new. I thought there was only One Gospel and that's the Gospel of Jesus Christ. And basically, the Gospel is about salvation by the will of God. Even Paul declared the Gospel was even preached to Abraham (that's in the OT!),

"And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed." Galatians 3:8

See? It's "faith" that saves a heathen man like Abraham and it's "faith" in Christ today that God's people (just as Abraam was) will be saved. That's the Gospel of Jesus Christ, plain and simple.
---christan on 12/26/12


---Mark_V. on 12/26/12
Stop being such an idiot!!!

Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth,..it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

what you are saying is that only the nation of israel will be in the new earth

Look at it in revelation:
Revelation 22:2 the tree of life, which bare twelve [manner of] fruits, [and] yielded her fruit every month ( NEW MOON):

is it only the nation of israel that will come to jerusalem every MONTH / new moon to eat of the tree

and the leaves of the tree [were] for the healing of the nations

NO the NATIONS will be there
---francis on 12/26/12


ok markv, now you say salvation is not for israel? where under God's sun do you get that from? we live in the age of grace. Christ died for jews just like He died for me and you. wow, I couldn't believe what I was reading.
---shira4368 on 12/26/12


Peter, acknowledged God revealed many things to Paul. 2 Pet 3:15-16, "And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him (not "unto us") hath written unto you, ..."

Rom 16:25, it's evident "Paul gospel", was a mystery until God revealed it to him

Why secret so long? 1 Cor 2:7-8, "But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for HAD THEY known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory". No one was allowed to know it, not apostles, Judas, demons, or Satan himself.
---michael_e on 12/26/12


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"Without studying this word [G2098} and all its occurrences, a sound understanding will be lacking, and "Say what?" will be the best the ignorant man can provide." Phil

Obviously, you don't understand sarcasm when you see one. You can cook and massage the Word of God with all your intellectual references you get from G2098, but Christ declared "It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."

Your agreement with michael_e tells me how ignorant you truly are of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. That's because of what you have said confirms what Christ declared, that the quickening has yet to happen.
---christan on 12/26/12


francis, the passage you gave is not for believers in Christ. In (Isaiah 66:22) he is speaking to the nation of Israel, about the nation of Israel. They were and still are under the Law. There is no salvation to this day for them. You should look in the New Testament, for what Christ Jesus has done for us. We are not under the Law, we are under the Spirit of the Law. Or as (Rom. 8:1-8) says,
"For the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death"
So remember if you are under the law God condemned sin in the law,
"For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God" (Rom. 8:5-7).
---Mark_V. on 12/26/12


shadows did not come into the picture until AFTER SIN

the first shadow:
Genesis 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

This is a shadow shoing
1: Jesus would die for our sins Revelation 13:8 the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

The sabbath, like marriage of man and woman was given before sin they are not shadows

So here is a false arguement: Marriage is a shadow of Christ and his church, we are married to christ so we no longer need to have man and woman be married, any person can marry any person because marriage was only a shadow and was nailed to the cross.

what is wrong with this statement on marriage?
---francis on 12/25/12


--Mark_V. on 12/25/12
A shadow is an event that points to the sanctifying work of christ.

here are some of the biblical examples:
EARTHLY SANCTUARTY..Hebrews 9:24 heaven itself
EARTHLY HIGH PRIEST..Hebrews 3:1 High Priest..Christ Jesus,
PASSOVER LAMB..1 Corinthians 5:7 Christ our passover
SANCTUARY VEIL..Hebrews 10:20 the veil his flesh,
SHEW BREAD..John 6:35 I am the bread
BLOOD OF BULLS AND GOATS.. Hebrews 9:12..his own blood
EARTHLY SANCTUARY LAMP..John 8:12 I am the light

now look at this:
Isaiah 66:22 the new earth,... from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me,

If the sabbath were a shadow, it would not be in the new ear5th at ths ame time with Christ
---francis on 12/25/12


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Say what? "Many gospels in the bible?" Are you kidding? ---christan on 12/24/12

Perhaps the translating of the KJV, and most modern versions, of the Greek word "euaggelion" G2098 into the English word "gospel" is the problem.

Without studying this word [G2098} and all its occurrences, a sound understanding will be lacking, and "Say what?" will be the best the ignorant man can provide.
---Phil on 12/25/12


francis, all born of the Spirit rest on the reality of the Sabbath, Christ. The Old Testament Sabbath was a shadow of the reality, Christ. You are still under the shadow. Scripture provides the reasons behind the symbol of the Sabbath. In Gen. it was a celebration of God work in creation (Gen. 2:2,3: Exo. 20:11) After the Exodus, the Sabbath expanded to a celebration of God's deliverance from oppression in Egypt (Deut. 5:15) As a result of the resurrection, the Sabbath emphisis shifted once again, it became a celebration of the "rest" we have through Christ who delivers us from sin and the grave (Heb. 4:1-11). The Sabbath was a "shadow of the things that were to come: the reality however is found in Christ (Colossians 2:17).
---Mark_V. on 12/25/12


Genesis 15:6 and he believed in the Lord and he counted it to him for rightousness. exodus 4:31 and the people believed and when they heard that the Lord has visited. old testiment saints were saved by believing in God. they were under the law. saints in the new testiment is saved by grace thru faith. there is only one way to heaven and that is thru Christ. the thief on the cross sort of lets the belief of salvation thru baptism. He believed and was never baptised. my husband was saved but never baptised and he is in heaven now.
---shira4368 on 12/24/12


Paul's gospel is based on believing in the finished work of the cross,death, burial and resurrection.

When Christ explained this to the 12, they understood nothing.
I wonder what gospel they preached?
31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. 34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.
---michael_e on 12/24/12


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\\RIGHT.. There is only one gospel TODAY, however there are many gospels in the bible.\\

Wrong.

Is Christ divided?

Therefore there is only ONE Gospel in the Bible.

To say otherwise is to say there are different ways for different people to be saved.

Merry Christmas!

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/24/12


There has been only ONE GOSPEL since sinned:

THIS IS THE FIRST PREACHING OF THE GOSPEL
Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed, it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.


Genesis 4:6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?


This is the second preaching:
Genesis 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

This is the third preaching:
Genesis 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
---francis on 12/24/12


"it not as if I was adding to the law, this is a part of THE LAW 1/10 commandments" francis

And you always deliberately never mention Paul's teaching of what the purpose of the law was for -

"Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.


Always putting the yoke of the law around the necks of the people. As Paul taught, "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."
---christan on 12/24/12


"RIGHT.. There is only one gospel TODAY, however there are many gospels in the bible. " michael_e

Say what? "Many gospels in the bible?" Are you kidding? Honestly, what are you trying to imply? So, based on your understanding - Abel, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, King David, King Solomon and the saints of the OT are not saved? And if they are, on what grounds outside of the Gospel are they saved, since Christ was not in the flesh yet?

Is there another kind of salvation for the OT saints to that of the post-NT saints that's outside of "For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."?
---christan on 12/24/12


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---michael_e on 12/24/12
There has been only ONE GOSPEL since sinned:
Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed, it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.


---Mark_V. on 12/24/12
The law cncerning the sabbath was given the very same week of creation:
Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work.., and he rested on the seventh day.. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it:

and continues for eternity:

Isaiah 66:22 For as the.. new earth,...from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

it not as if I was adding to the law, this is a part of THE LAW 1/10 commandments
---francis on 12/24/12


Not even the original 11 apostles were saved, because they did not received the gospel of Paul?
---francis on 12/23/12

Such a remark is pure ignorance of proper division of the word of God.

All Israel shall be saved [Ro 11:26]

The Kingdom Gospel is earthly, with Twelve apostles ruling over Israel. Lk 22:30

Paul's gospel is celestial and in the heavens, not on earth, it is spiritual and not of the earthly elements.

Christ's kingdom will be on earth when He returns to claim His rightful place as Son and King over Israel.
this is the Gospel of the Kingdom, it is under Law and grace.

The gospel for today is one, Paul's gospel.
---Phil on 12/24/12


//There's only ONE Gospel!//

RIGHT.. There is only one gospel TODAY, however there are many gospels in the bible.

IF you are saved today, YOU are saved by believing the gospel revealed to Paul(1Cor 15:1-4) That is Christ after the cross, not still hanging on the cross

Glory to the risen Christ
---michael_e on 12/24/12


\\The 12, cornelious were saved by the kingdom gospel offered to Israel.
Very simple.
If you are saved today, you are saved by believing Paul's gospel.\\

WRONG!

There's only ONE Gospel!

Merry Christmas.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/24/12


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//Not even the original 11 apostles were saved, because they did not received the gospel of Paul?
---francis on 12/23/12//
The 12, cornelious were saved by the kingdom gospel offered to Israel.
Very simple.
If you are saved today, you are saved by believing Paul's gospel.
---michael_e on 12/24/12


francis, call me what you like, but you show no proof either one of them was saved. In fact you show no fruits of the Spirit either. The fruits you show are not of God. More laws you do not need, you need Christ in your life. Here is what I see from you and Jerry, two people who give a bad name to the SDA's. I'm sure the rest do not go around defending themselves with the enemy, or go around calling others names are maybe I am wrong and they do call each other names. And I possitive if I walked in their church they would sound real holy.
---Mark_V. on 12/24/12


Does the gospel bring salvation? In other words, does hearing the gospel save a man?
---trey on 12/10/12
Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
---francis on 12/24/12


The gospel revealed to our apostle Paul, saves IF you believe.
---michael_e on 12/23/12
So i guess the 3000 baptized on Pentecost were not saved
Acts 2:41 the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

those of Cornelius household also not saved
Acts 10:45 on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Those in Samaria not saved
Acts 8:17 and they received the Holy Ghost.

Ethiopian eunuch not saved
Acts 8:38 both Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him.

Not even the original 11 apostles were saved, because they did not received the gospel of Paul?
---francis on 12/23/12


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The gospel revealed to our apostle Paul, saves IF you believe.

1Cor 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand, 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
---michael_e on 12/23/12


can't remember where it is in the old testiment but God killed a young boy for making fun of a preacher.
---shira4368 on 12/23/12

2 Kings 2:23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head, go up, thou bald head.

2 Kings 2:24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
---francis on 12/23/12


annanias and sephoria lied to the Holy Spirit. I think this is a warning to all christians. we are not to mock God in any way. can't remember where it is in the old testiment but God killed a young boy for making fun of a preacher. I know a certain fellow who does that all the time but he is still walking around. I have told him his day will come if he don't repent. the highminded will fall. some who are educated think they know it all but they are blinded by the things of this world.
---shira4368 on 12/23/12


"Acts 5:5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost:
Acts 5:10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost:"

Nowhere does the Bible say in either one of the passsages you gave, that Ananias or Sapphira gave up the Ghost.
---Mark_V. on 12/23/12
read the passsages again, and wonder why I keep calling you and IDIOT?

You think that you are a son or daughter of God if you refuse to obey him, and you also expect that God will chasten you as a sign that you are his child when you choose not to obey him.
IDIOT!
sometimes God just allowed these people to die on the spot, sometimes he allows them to die over 40 years, some times he allows them to die after 120 years
---francis on 12/23/12


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francis, when you speak, you remind me of both hypocrites in Acts 5. Here you say,

"Acts 5:5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost:
Acts 5:10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost:"


Nowhere does the Bible say in either one of the passsages you gave, that Ananias or Sapphira gave up the Ghost. In fact both of them were a classic example of hypocrisy among Christians who faked their spirituality to impress others (Matt. 6:1-6, 16-18: 15:7: 23:13-36) They were in the congregation of those who believed (4:32) and were involved with the Holy Spirit (v.3) but remained hypocrites. Which reminds me of you. When you speak of the law, but yourself break the law.
---Mark_V. on 12/23/12


Do you know the difference between a saved person and a lost person? A saved person has believed what Jesus Christ has done for him and understands that salvation is a free gift. RO 5:15, 6:23. A person is lost for one or two reasons: Either they've never heard of the gospel the ascrnded Christ revealed to Paul,(1Cor 15:1-4) of the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ as the full payment for their sin (and, therefore, they're lost), or, they've heard it and not believed it. They say, "No, you can't just believe what Jesus Christ did. You can't just believe that he died on the cross, paid for my sins, and that's enough to save me.
---michael_e on 12/22/12


---Mark_V. on 12/22/12
IDIOT!!


Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.

Acts 5:5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost:

Acts 5:10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost:
Numbers 3:4 And Nadab and Abihu died before the LORD, when they offered strange fire before the LORD,

1Chronicles 13:10 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Uzza, and he smote him, because he put his hand to the ark: and there he died before God

How many times did God chasten these people for their disobedience?
---francis on 12/22/12


Nana, francis agrees with you not Paul. Here let me help you and why you and he are wrong (Rom. 6:11,12)
"Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, " This refers to all human beings who will die because of sin. Then the passage say's,
" but alive to God in Christ Jesus" This refers to only believers because only they are born of the Spirit and baptized together with Christ, and they will be alive to God just like Jesus became after His physical death. For (Rom. 6:4) says,
" Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life"
---Mark_V. on 12/22/12


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Paul agrees with francis:
Romans 6:11_12 "Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof."
---Nana on 12/21/12


francis, good passages you gave one was really good,

"Exodus 24:7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient.".

The problem is they did not do what they promised God they would do. And died in their sins.
The rest of the passages speak of obedience. All born of the Spirit are obedient, but not perfectly obedient. Why? Because all come short of the glory of God. And the reason all of God's children are chastened. If they are not chastened they are illiget, and not sons at all.
If you do not believe the sons are chastened, then you are not a son francis.
---Mark_V. on 12/22/12


No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

The way Christ feed so many with just a few pieces of bread.
Then said: Gather up the fragments that remain, that nothing be lost!
And to beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and Herod!

Why reason ye, because ye have no bread?

When I brake the five loaves among five thousand, and seven among four thousand.
How many baskets full of fragments took ye up?

So, how is it that ye do not understand?


But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
God bless you guys!
---TheSeg on 12/22/12


Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey, whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Exodus 24:7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient.

Isaiah 1:19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:

2 Cor 2:9 For to this end also did I write, that I might know the proof of you, whether ye be obedient in all things.

1 Peter 1:14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:

THE BIBLE says God' childrebn are obedient in ALL THINGS
---francis on 12/21/12


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francis, you never agree on the Truth. The main reason is you want people to be saved by works of the law. Here you say in answer to Trey's question,

"Do you not believe that God has many sons who are disobedient?
---trey on 12/18/12
No God has No disobedient children"


If you are not disobedient francis, you are not one of His children, you are illegitment.
" For whom the Lord loves He chastens, and Scourges every son whom He receives. If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons, for what son is there whom a father does not chasten?
"But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons"
(Heb. 12:
---Mark_V. on 12/19/12


MarkV, thanks! I'm glad someone can understand the point I'm trying to make. It also is reassuring that Francis disagrees with me. If Francis ever aggreed I might be forced to rethink my position. :)
---trey on 12/18/12


Do you not believe that God has many sons who are disobedient?
---trey on 12/18/12
No God has No disobedient children

1 Peter 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ,

1 Peter 1:14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:

1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
---francis on 12/18/12


What is the work we MUST DO?
(Jesus had an answer)
---duane on 12/18/12


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Bro. Trey, you answer is correct as far as I can see. If the father is God the Father and the two sons are children of God. He would never allow either one of them to perish. That is why I believe our assurance is in Christ Jesus who will sustain us till the end guiltless in the Day of the Lord, (1 Cor. 1:7-9) The Spirit of God will provide any spiritual gift we will need so that we are lacking in nothing.
The children of wrath are not the children of God the Father.
---Mark_V. on 12/18/12


Let us say thay YOU have two sons. One is obedient and one is disobedient. The obedient child receives blessings for being obedient. The disobedient child has a life filled with misery due to his disobedience.

Is the disobedient child any less your child than the obedient child. They are both your sons, and you love them both, even though the disobedient son may grieve you at times.

If you had all the power in the world, would you allow your disobedient son to go to hell because he was disobedient? Do you not believe that God has many sons who are disobedient? Do you believe he will allow even one of them to perish?
---trey on 12/18/12


Bro. Trey, I believe what Scripture says, that salvation is by Grace through faith in the gospel Truth. While faith comes from hearing, we are told that hearing comes from the Word of God.
Only those that hear the calling of God through the gospel Truth and believe it, are the ones who are saved. It has to come to the individual in power and in the Holy Spirit.
"Knowing, beloved brethren, your election by God. "For our gospel did not come to you in word only, "but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit and much assurance," as you know what kind of men we were among you for your sake" (1 Thess. 1:4,5). The word can come in word only, but to the elect in comes in power and the Holy Spirit with much assurance.
---Mark_V on 12/18/12


1st Tim. 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness,

4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things, and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.
---JMarc on 12/18/12


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" nana, If one hears the gospel they are more likely to be saved but just hearing it won't save anyone. many have heard the gospel and don't heed the calling."
---shira4368 on 12/18/12

Amen to that shira4368! Amen to that.

Romans 10:16 "But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?"
Romans 10:18 "But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world."
---Nana on 12/18/12


Believers are being robbed by pretenders of the knowledge contained within the pages of the Word of God concerning their position in Christ.

Your Christian life will not operate on the basis of ignorance. You need to know how the doctrines of grace work.

If you are saved you have been made part of what God is doing TODAY and He has equipped you to do His will.

It's the application of this knowledge, revealed in the Pauline epistles that allows the believer to fully appreciate the role of the Creator in our daily lives.

God wants us to serve him from a heart of gratitude and thanks for what he has done for us in his death, burial and resurrection.(Paul's gospel ref 1Cor 15:1-4)
---michael_e on 12/18/12


nana, If one hears the gospel they are more likely to be saved but just hearing it won't save anyone. many have heard the gospel and don't heed the calling.
---shira4368 on 12/18/12


The question remains, What must mankind DO to be saved?
God has done HIS part. Now what is our part to do after we hear what the good news(Gospel) is? (Please dont say nothing.)
---duane on 12/18/12


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"Does the gospel bring salvation? In other words, does hearing the gospel save a man?"
No, living it.

Matthew 7:24_27 "Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house, and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house, and it fell: and great was the fall of it."
---Nana on 12/17/12


It is my belief that the gospel does not bring life. The gospel only shines a light on what God has done. We believe the gospel because God has acted and made us alive. We don't believe and then come to life. That doesn't make sense. A dead man cannot respond.

2Tim1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
---trey on 12/17/12


My bishop made an interesting point in his sermon Sunday.

There was a man who was being given a tour of heaven, and saw what at first looked like dried mushrooms.

A better look showed them to be fields of human ears.

His guide told him, "These are the ears that received the Word of God, but the people they were attached to didn't keep it, so only the ears were allowed into heaven."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/17/12


\\ unless ye have believed in
In other words, merely believing won't help.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/11/12//


Not just hearing, but believing. Our apostle makes it plain.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that BELIEVITH,(+0) to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Of course you have to believe Christ resurrected, and not still hanging on the cross.
---michael_e on 12/11/12


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\\ unless ye have believed in vain.
---michael_e on 12/11/12\\

In other words, merely believing won't help.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/11/12


Not just hearing, but believing. Our apostle makes it plain.

1 Cor 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand,2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
---michael_e on 12/11/12


Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
---francis on 12/11/12


The Gospel brings the news of salvation for all, but will all believe it?
There are many who claim they believe but do not. Its a message for some thats too good to be true.
---duane on 12/11/12


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Only Jesus saves.

If merely hearing the gospel saved, almost everyone in the USA would be saved. Yet the Bible also says, "Be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/11/12


Christian, Amen!//However, how the sinner "hears" the Gospel and believe is most definitely 100% the work of God, and not dependent on the sinner whatsoever.//

HE Chooses us.

Eph.1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
---j_Marc on 12/11/12


MOST DEFINITELY!

And that's because it's a divine promise from God that His Son "shall save His people from their sins" Matthew 1:21. And this will only happen through hearing the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

However, how the sinner "hears" the Gospel and believe is most definitely 100% the work of God, and not dependent on the sinner whatsoever.

"For by grace are ye saved through faith, AND THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES: IT IS A GIFT OF GOD: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8,9
---christan on 12/10/12


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