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Santa Claus Breaks 10 Commands

Do people realize they are breaking one of the ten commandments by telling their children about another "god" named Santa Claus?

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\\those that know the history of winter solstice celebration and all the mixing of those pagan practices into Christianity,\\

The two are not related.

And "Mass" does not mean "death of Christ."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/20/12


Thessalonians 2:11-12 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.2nd

Corinthians 6:17-18 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing, and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
---jMarc on 12/20/12


Our Father in Heaven,

This was a public sin that needs a public prayer.

i humbly confess and beg forgiveness for me, my Father, and Grand Fathers of the disobedience we commited.

Christmas trees we put up,

giving Santa lists of things we wanted but did't need,

teaching our children songs that teach lies,

gluttonising our selves at the festivities,

putting up the mistletoe,

celebrating the birthday of Christ when you never commanded it.

Forgive us Lord of these abominations.

i repent!

In the name of the one true Christ, Yashua the Anointed Messiah, the real Jesus, Amen
---jMarc on 12/20/12


\\You must leave a sacrifice (cookies and milk). You must tell him what you want. Sounds like a god to me.\\

I never left cookies and milk for Santa, and I never thought he was a deity, either.

I don't know about your god, but the real one doesn't require cookies and milk.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/19/12


God judges those on their level of spiritual enlightenment.

those that know the history of winter solstice celebration and all the mixing of those pagan practices into Christianity, and still celebrate the death of Christ (mass ??) under the lie of his birth, will then be judged. stay in your ignorant state, it's much more festive.
---mike on 12/19/12




jMarc:

Just because some people turn Christmas into a gluttnous frenzy of consumerism (that we should definitely avoid), does this make Christmas corrupt by its very nature?

If so, wouldn't you also say the same thing about all the cults who present a false Jesuswho is a heretical caricature of the real Jesus? Would that, in itself, be a reason for us to abandon the real Jesus? I hope not!

For the same reason, the fact that some people spoil Christmas is no reason for the rest of us to reject it.
---StrongAxe on 12/19/12


J. Marc, I do love you, and will end this debate with you on this issue. I don't believe anymore speeches are necessary, they will accomplish nothing. I am glad to see you on other issues, It is great we agree on many other things. So peace I leave you and wish you and family a wonderful holidays and a safe New Year.
---Mark_V. on 12/19/12


Rules for Santa Claus giving you gifts: You must be good. You must leave a sacrifice (cookies and milk). You must tell him what you want. Sounds like a god to me.
---KarenD on 12/19/12


J. Marc, you gave (Matt. 15:7-9). What did (v. 8) say?
"But their hearts is far from Me"
This people, Scribes and Pharisees were not saved people. You cannot compare unsave people with those who are saved, and turn around and give him that passage as if they were lost.
The traditions of the elders were not a part of the Law of God. And the Scribes and Pharisees were accusing the disciples of breaking a law that does not even exist. Just as you are doing J. Marc. You are accusing believers of wrong doing of something that is not even a Law not to do. There is no law that say's not to worship or celebrate the birth of the Messiah, yet you accuse them of breaking the law that does not exist. Can you not see this?
---Mark_V. on 12/19/12



cluny,Everything i say is BUT DUNG.??

Malachi 2:1 And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you.

2 If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.

3 Behold, I will --, spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts, and one shall take you away with it.

THE WORDS OF PAUL!

Phil. 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
---jMarc on 12/19/12




Jeremiah 2:20 For of old time I have broken thy yoke, and burst thy bands, and thou saidst, I will not transgress, when upon every high hill and under every green tree thou wanderest, playing the harlot.

Ezekiel 6:13 Then shall ye know that I am the LORD, when their slain men shall be among their idols round about their altars, upon every high hill, in all the tops of the mountains, and under every green tree, and under every thick oak, the place where they did offer sweet savour to all their idols.Isaiah 57:5 Enflaming yourselves with idols under every green tree, slaying the children in the valleys under the clifts of the rocks?
---jMarc on 12/19/12


Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil, that put darkness for light, and light for darkness, that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Sorry, i don't see christmas as a good thing! Where has all the greed,covetousness,and materalism of this pagan holiday wraped in "christian" paper lead us?
---jMarc on 12/19/12


JMarc, you clearly suffer from a constipation of thought and diarrhea of words, mingled with undigested Bible verses.

All such an amalgam will produce is BUT DUNG.

Christ was not talking about Christian traditions. He was talking about YOUR traditions.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/19/12


Does anyone here actually believe that Christians should obey the Ten Commandments?


---jerry6593 on 12/19/12


mark v,i love that Christ was born! i NEVER said it is sin to worship the real Christ on a pagan holiday.!!!! Worship Him everyday.

This is what Christ said about traditions of men!

Matt. 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
---jMarc on 12/19/12


J. Marc, I will say it again, you did not answer my questions, only gave passages that do not speak of not celebrating the coming of the Messiah because it is sin to do so. When you find those passages please bring them forward. You again suggest to not worship Jesus Christ Coming, in fact not worship God, since Christ is the God-Man, because it is sin to worship Him on a pagan holiday. Also suggesting they have priority over God. And since they have many holidays, we should avoid worshipping God on those days. Please show Scripture.
---Mark_V. on 12/18/12


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\\Duet.5:7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me. [santa]\\

Nobody except ignorant people like you think that Santa is a deity, JMarc.

Nobody falls down and worships him.

All you say here is BUT DUNG.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/18/12


Malachi 2:1 And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you.

2 If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.

3 Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts, and one shall take you away with it.

Phil. 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
---JMarc on 12/18/12


//Celebrating the birth of Christ is sin,//

really like the shepards and the wise men. Matthew 2:10 - "they, rejoiced exceedingly with great joy"
or the feast of Purim in Ester, festival of Tents, festival of passover. Yep Christians should be the most boring and unexcited people in the world. (sarcasm). We celebrate God coming into the world and redeeming his children.
---Scott1 on 12/18/12


J. Marc, I will nevertheless leave you peace no matter if you don't answer the questions I asked. I was sure you would look at what you are suggesting and somehow see that believers only want to celebrate the coming of the Messiah. But you don't see things that way. You want to accuse them of worshipping other gods because that day you say belongs to them, and so you pray for everyone. I suppose you are intitle to pray or give your opinion. But it is only your opinion. I still hope and pray that you think about how thankful you should be for His coming just as we all are.
---Mark_V. on 12/18/12


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\\"Christians >[WHO??] count everything you >[ME???] say BUT DUNG."\\

That includes your feeble attempts to quote inappropriate scriptures.

The demons and Pharisees quoted scripture at the Savior, but they were no more giving the Word of God than you are doing here.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/18/12


Celebrating the birth of Christ is sin,

Duet.5:7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me. [santa]

8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing---

9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,[xmas trees]


18 Neither shalt thou commit adultery.[ James 4:4 Ye adulterers , know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God?--]

19 Neither shalt thou steal.

21-- neither shalt thou covet -anything that is thy neighbour's.[List of things ]
---JMarc on 12/18/12


mark v,
"those who disagree with your legalistic opinion"

i must be saved legally i'm not LAWLESS!

Because of lawlessness the love of many has grown cold!

Matt. 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
---JMarc on 12/18/12


"Christians >[WHO??] count everything you >[ME???] say BUT DUNG."

Jer. 44:16 As for the word that thou hast spoken unto US in the name of the LORD, we will not hearken unto thee.

17 But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as WE have done, we, and our FATHERS, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.

18 But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her,WE HAVE WANTED ALL THINGS, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.
---JMarc on 12/18/12


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mark v,
my opinion does not count! God's [YA's]does!

" you have not shown one passage where celebrating the birth of Christ is sin, not one."

Here are two!

Jer. 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven, for the heathen are dismayed at them.

3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. Decking trees!


Covetousness the Xmas practice instilled in us as children?

Exodus 20:17 Thou shalt not covet.
---JMarc on 12/18/12


J. Marc, you did not answer my questions again, why? Now you say in response,

"True children of God [YA] will not be swayed by argumentative, people who twist scripture and cause others to be in disobiedence to his commandments."

Who are the children of God who are swaying with argument, and twisting Scripture and causing others to be disobedient? Can you name which one's?
Or are you saying those who do those things are those who disagree with your legalistic opinion, and I say opinion because you have not shown one passage where celebrating the birth of Christ is sin, not one.
---Mark_V. on 12/18/12


JMarc, in the words of St. Paul in Phil. 3:8, Christians count everything you say here BUT DUNG.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/18/12


\\We all have our opinons, but the literal word of God [Ya] will judge us.\\

And this is what the LITERAL Word of God says to you:

"Jesus I know, and Paul and Nehemiah I know, but who are YOU, J_Marc?"

You clearly do NOT know the real Christ! Your use of His Name is another abomination for which we repent and ask God to forgive us.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/17/12


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JMarc:

You said: i prayed & repented in public! i hope every one does!

Nehemiah's model was to pray in public, but Jesus said to pray in private. Presumably, Jesus knows better. Besides, how does celebrating Jesus's birth break the Ten Commandments? Jesus is no sacrilegious pagan deity whose worship we should avoid.

Of course, by all means, if you think it's a sin, you should avoid it. Just don't put your own burden on everyone else.
---StrongAxe on 12/17/12


MARK V 'J. Marc, again you avoid answering our responses.
"

i'm answering you MANY TIMES OVER!

We all have our opinons, but the literal word of God [Ya] will judge us.

True children of God [YA] will not be swayed by argumentative, people who twist scripture and cause others to be in disobiedence to his commandments.

Philosophies tainted with biases, or even the way we grew up can lead us to the lake of fire!

Churches, Pastors, ministers, teachers, and disciplines lead many astray with opinions and not God's truth in scripture!

Col.2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
---JMarc on 12/17/12


J. Marc, again you avoid answering our responses.
Why are the genuine Christians sinning for celebrating the birth of Christ? We are talking about the Son of God, not celebrating kids birthdays.
If Celebrating the birth of Christ was so terrible, why didn't God say, do not do that?
And why should we as Christians stop worshipping Christ on any given day, because the pagas or heathens have that day?
Do they have priority over Christ? And were are believers commanded to keep all the days of the pagans and heathens so that they do nothing on those days?
Also, if you want to confess to God because you feel guilty of your sin, go for it.
---Mark_V. on 12/17/12


Cluny, "We likewise pray that God [fill]?? forgive you your vile abominations for thinking that you are on the level of Nehemiah and Paul that you are inspired by the Holy Spirit."

In the the name of Yashua [ the real Christ],stop your attacks.

i will never recant!

i NEVER implied that i was on a spiritual level with any one!

i am the least of all humanity!

my opinion does not count! God's [YA's]does!

i humbly used the EXAMPLE of Nehemiah, Paul sorry i was misinterpreted !\i & my fathers were guilty of these abominations.

Breaking many of the 10 commandments by christmas keeping in public.

i prayed & repented in public! i hope every one does!
---J-Marc on 12/17/12


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\\i & my fathers were guilty of these abominations.

Breaking many of the 10 commandments by christmas keeping in public.

i prayed & repented in public! i hope every one does!\\

We likewise pray that God fill forgive you your vile abominations for thinking that you are on the level of Nehemiah and St. Paul that you are inspired by the Holy Spirit in your posts.

We ask God to forgive your abominations for being like the Pharisee in Christ's parable, thinking you were more righteous than other people on here.

And most especially we pray in public for God to forgive your abominations of persecuting Christians on here, even in prayer.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/17/12


"I have been reading the questions and comments of you people and are amazed how many people attack those who use scriptures

>[without using any scriptural evidence]<.

Some do!

2 Peter 3:16.As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable twist, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

How is it people can be so mean and ugly and call themselves Christian? It is not Christlike at all, and it only confirms why people don't want to go to church or even do business with people who call themselves Christian. You are giving Christianity a black eye and a bad name to the world."
---JMarc on 12/17/12


Mark V,"J. Marc, you never answered any of our responses."

i & my fathers were guilty of these abominations.

Breaking many of the 10 commandments by christmas keeping in public.

i prayed & repented in public! i hope every one does!
---JMarc on 12/17/12


Mark V,"J. Marc, you never answered any of our responses. All you did was pray as the parable of the Pharisee and a Tax collector, the only difference is that the Pharisee prayed thus with himself and you prayed outloud so that all can hear."

Scripture commands public sin needs public prayer!"

James 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

Acts 19:17 And this was known to all the Jews and Greeks also dwelling at Ephesus, and fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified.

18 And many that believed came, and confessed, and shewed their deeds.
---JMarc on 12/17/12


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Mark V,"you never answered any of our responses. All you did was pray as the parable of the Pharisee and a Tax collector"

Read my prayer again!

i asked for forgiveness!

Luke 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased, and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
---JMarc on 12/17/12


cher01: There are good people and bad people both inside and outside the church. So why does it surprise you that you find the same thing here?


---jerry6593 on 12/17/12


J. Marc, you never answered any of our responses. All you did was pray as the parable of the Pharisee and a Tax collector, the only difference is that the Pharisee prayed thus with himself and you prayed outloud so that all can hear:
"God, I thank You that I am not like other men-extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this Tax collector. I fast twice a week, I give tithes of all that I possess' (Luke 18:9-12)
This sounded just like you, and those who are legalist, always looking at others as to how bad they are compared to you.
"And the Tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast saying, God be merciful to me a sinner" (v.13).
---Mark_V. on 12/17/12


I have been reading the questions and comments of you people and are amazed how many people attack those who use scriptures without using any scriptural evidence. How is it people can be so mean and ugly and call themselves Christian? It is not Christlike at all, and it only confirms why people don't want to go to church or even do business with people who call themselves Christian. You are giving Christianity a black eye and a bad name to the world.
---cher01 on 12/16/12


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MarkV, strongaxe, Cluny, Rita H,

i & my fathers were guilty of theses sins & i repented! i hope every one does!

Almighty Yahweh,

We celebrated the birthday of your Christ when you never commanded it.

Forgive us Lord of these abominations.

i repent!

In the name of the one true Christ, Yashua the Anointed Messiah, the real Jesus, Amen
---J-marc on 12/16/12


J_Marc:

Yes, the Bible doesn't command us to celebrate Jesus's birthday. It also doesn't tell us to use computers, or the internet either. So if you insist on not doing anything the Bible doesn't explicitly command, you should sign off the blogs, throw your computer away, and turn off your light bulbs, gas heater, and automobile.
---StrongAxe on 12/15/12


J. Marc, you now say,

"Why do things that are not commamded by God [Ya] ?!"

I will tell you why, because there is no nay either?
Don't you realize that many things were never commanded? That what we needed to know for our lives so that we can live a godly life is mentioned in the New Testament? Why didn't one of the disciples or writers of Scripture make sure no one celebrated the birth of Christ if in fact it was sin? Why forget such a sin? Since Jesus Christ is our Lord, don't you think it was one of the most important things we would have been told?
And no genuine believer worships other gods. They worship Christ. Maybe not J. Witnesses, Mormons, muslims and others but we do.
---Mark_V. on 12/15/12


\\Why do things that are not commamded by God [Ya] ?!\\

You mean things like using computers, having electric lights and even your own copy of the Bible, and driving automobiles?

And even trying to repent for the sins of other people?

In other words, the very things that YOU do, J_Marc?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/15/12


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If Santa is bad, how about our Federal Government? 40% of Americans are looking to the government as their provider. Isn't that idolatry? What happened to:

2Th3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

I'm not speaking of those who can't find work or are physically or mentally unable (Lord bless them!). I'm speaking of those unwilling to work! I have an aquaintance who for 41 years has mooched off the government. He learned it from his mother. Burns me up!!!
---trey on 12/15/12


Mark V,"He knew that in time people would celebrate His Sons birthday?"

Why do things that are not commamded by God [Ya] ?!

He also knew that in time that Nadab and Abihu would offer strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not.


Lev.10:1 And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not.

2 And there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them, and they died before the LORD.
---j_Marc on 12/14/12


\\True children of God [YA] will not be swayed by argumentative, unbelieving people who twist scripture and cause others to be in disobeidence to his commandments\\

That's exactly why Christians on here will not listen to you, J_Marc.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/14/12


J. Marc, you avoid everything I said. why? I was being repectful to you. Pointed out many things to you, and you come back with just that? Now you are calling everyone who believes in celebrating the birth of Christ as sinners because they do. You do not even want to discuss about believers worshipping Christ. You want to assume they are worship other gods. I knew you didn't have an answer to what I said. You are being legalistic. Making a law out of your own opinion or interpretation. There is no debating with legalist.
---Mark_V. on 12/14/12


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2nd Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears, And they shall turn away their ears from THE TRUTH, and shall be turned unto FABLES.

Psalms 55:19-20 God shall hear, and afflict them, even he that abideth of old. Selah. Because they HAVE NO CHANGES, therefore they FEAR NOT God.He hath put forth his hands against such as be at peace with him: he hath broken his covenant.
---J-marc on 12/14/12


Cluny, in the the name of Yashua [ the real Christ],stop your attacks.

i will never recant!

i NEVER wrote or implied that i was on a spiritual level with any one!

i am most certainly the least of all humanity!

my opinion does not count! God's [YA's]does!

i humbly used the EXAMPLE of Nehemiah, sorry i was misinterpreted !

i & my fathers were guilty of theses sins & i repented! i hope every one does!

>Nehemiah 9:2 And the seed of Israel separated themselves from all strangers, and stood and confessed their sins, and the iniquities of their fathers.
---J-marc on 12/14/12


Gla.4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, HOW turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in BONDAGE?

10 Ye observe DAYS, and months, and times, and years.

17 THEY zealously affect you, but not well, yea, they would exclude you, that ye might affect them.

18 But it is good to be zealously affected always in a good thing, and not only when I am present with you.
---j_Marc on 12/14/12


All you superfine apostles,do you put on lipstick and makeup? That's actually a "lie"
When your kids pretend they're driving do you say "no, no that's not a real vehicle?"
No books of fantasy allowed?
No cartoons to watch!
Where do you draw the line on "make believe"?
Great literary works are the product of some one's imagination. (bible exempt)
Anything that has just one side is "unbalanced"
Religious fanatics don't win converts to Christ!

---1st_cliff on 12/14/12


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We all have our opinons, but the literal word of God [Ya] will judge us.

True children of God [YA] will not be swayed by argumentative, unbelieving people who twist scripture and cause others to be in disobeidence to his commandments.

Philosophies tainted with biases, or even the way we grew up can lead us to the lake of fire!

Churchs, ministers, teachers. manuels and disciplines lead many astray with opinions and not God's truth in scripture!

Col.2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
---J-marc on 12/14/12


\\People all my life called Xmas good,\\

if you think you are making a stand for God by using that spelling, you're not.

X is merely the abbreviation for Christ, from the Greek XPICTOC.

||The early true church never used words like mas, Christmas, holly, wreath, mistletoe ,Rudolph, Santa claus,and Christmas tree, and were never mentioned in scripture! ||

And the early church never had computers, electric lights, or even the NT, for that matter. Nor did people have their own personal copies of scripture.

Finally, you are NOT on the spiritual level of Nehemiah, so don't try to do the things HE did.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/13/12


J. Marc, I do love you, and I know you have a well meaning intention, but you have to look at all the bases when you say something. We are His children, and nothing can change that. Genuine believers do not follow heathen ar pagan idols or gods, or celebrate them. They celebrat Jesus Christ. Thou we are never told to do it, we are also never told not to do it. If it was real critical that we didn't God would not have forgotten.
I understand what you mean with santa Claus and christmas tree's, they are not necessary. It all of it has been materialized, but God has a plan for everything. All has a purpose within the plan of God. Many get jobs, and put food on their tables, God wanted it that way, otherwise it would not happen.
---Mark_V. on 12/14/12


J. Marc, I was speaking of celebrating the birth of Christ only, not other things. What graven image is build? You make celebrating the birth of Christ sin. Since God knows everything, don't you think He knew that in time people would celebrate His Sons birthday? And if it was so important we didn't, He would have made sure we didn't, by making it very clear? Why would He not warn us? Why allow people, like you, to interpret what you want out of any passage of Scripture? You use history to say people are wrong, but don't provide one passage from the Word of God where we are told not to celebrate the birth of Christ. If its important to your conscience then don't celebrate. I don't tell you to against conscience, why would you tell us?
---Mark_V. on 12/13/12


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People all my life called Xmas good, i discovered it was evil!

In Acts 19 Paul had to confront Demetrius who made and sold shrines of Dianna (a deamon god) at a great profit. HE took many Ephesians away from the ecomonic trade that surrounded pagan observances! An uproar happened when Christians repented & the merchandising of Dianna suffered! Acts 20:21 Repentance was taught to the Ephesians.Repentance of pagan practices!

Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil, that put darkness for light, and light for darkness, that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Where has all the greed,covetousness,and meteralism of this pagan holiday wraped in "christian" paper lead us?
---J-marc on 12/13/12


Rita H , Mark V, i humbly used the example of Nehemiah, sorry i was misinterpreted !

i & my fathers were guilty of theses sins & i repented! i hope every one does!

Nehemiah!1:6 Let thine ear now be attentive, and thine eyes open, that thou mayest hear the prayer of thy servant, which I pray before thee now, day and night, for the children of Israel thy servants, and confess the sins of the children of Israel, which we have sinned against thee: both I and my father's house have sinned.

9:2 And the seed of Israel separated themselves from all strangers, and stood and confessed their sins, and the iniquities of their fathers.
---J-marc on 12/13/12


"Santa Claus Breaks 10 Commands"
Santa Claus is an idol!

Deut.5:8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:

9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,

Nicolas the Bishop broke the commandments, we all have!
---J-marc on 12/13/12


The early true church never used words like mas, Christmas, holly, wreath, mistletoe ,Rudolph, Santa claus,and Christmas tree, and were never mentioned in scripture!

The early apostate church adopted pagan winter solstice observances, lacing them into professing Christianity The 4th century!

Jeremiah 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen
---J-marc on 12/13/12


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So what? Many people here on CN have no regard for God's Ten Commandments anyway. Many support the Obama Santa mentality of "free goodies" and class warfare which is a violation of "Thou shalt not covet".


---jerry6593 on 12/13/12


Sis. Rita, I agree with your response to J. Marc. it reminds me of those praying in a group for someone and pray's out-loud the sins of others, so everyone can hear his prayers and their sins.
I believe J. Marc is taking this subject way too far. It's not a doctrinal issue, but a matter of believers conduct. His conscience against someone else's conscience. There is no Scripture commanding us not to celebrate the birth of Jesus. If it was so important that no one participate in the birth of Christ, His own Son, He would have told us. We are told not to worship other gods, and we don't, we worship Jesus Christ. What can be so wrong to worship Christ everyday, no matter if its a pagan holiday or not? Do other gods have priority over Christ?
---Mark_V. on 12/13/12


Trish, I think you're approach was the right approach concerning Santa Clause and your kids.
---Jed on 12/12/12


Dear Lord, we likewise repent of the many sins and mockeries and blasphemies of J_Marc, and how he is disobedient to Your word.

We especially mourn with tears and sorrow how much he resembles the Pharisee of your parable.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/12/12


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Our children were told that Santa Claus was like Mickey Mouse and Big Bird, make believe. They went to Christmas parties where they sat on his lap, but knew the gift he gave them at that party came from Mommy and Daddy. I did not have any decorations depicting him at all. I encouraged my children not to burst their friends bubble about Santa Claus. We received a ton of criticism from unbelieving relatives for not lying to our kids, but they've grown up with realistic expectations concerning the season.
---Trish on 12/12/12


J-marc - Prayer is not meant to be flippant or sarcastic. Your exclamation mark after the words "I repent!" would indicate that sarcasm was intended. If it were a serious prayer it would have been said in privacy and been between you and God. Why could you not have just answered the question?

I felt really sad reading that 'prayer'.
---Rita_H on 12/12/12


Our Father in Heaven,

i humbly confess and beg forgiveness for me, my Father, and Grand Fathers of the disobedience we commited.

Christmas trees we put up,

giving Santa lists of things we wanted but did't need,

teaching our children songs that teach lies,

gluttonising our selves at the festivities,

putting up the mistletoe,

celebrating the birthday of Christ when you never commanded it.

Forgive us Lord of these abominations.

i repent!

In the name of the one true Christ, Yashua the Anointed Messiah, the real Jesus, Amen
---J-marc on 12/12/12


Because my children never had 'Santa' (but knew exactly where each gift came from) they knew to whom they must say thank you. They wrote letters to each giver or thanked them personally if they lived close. They were grateful for all they had and understood why some gifts had cost more than others.

They never worried if a neighbours child had a gift ten times the value of theirs because they understood that the neighbour had more money than we did (and fewer children!).

Our way worked beautifully (for us), others must decide for themselves how they handle it.
---Ritah_H on 12/12/12


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Bro. Willie and some others, I also believe it is wrong for parents to teach about Santa Claus. The attributes they give santa are so wrong. They should tell their kids when they are very young who santa really is and how he was made up. Gifts are great, for giving in that time or any time is great.
From the time children are born we should be telling them about Jesus Christ and what He went through for us. And then express the love Christ put in our hearts by being kind to others.
---Mark_V. on 12/12/12


Hi, Cliff (c: There is reality better than any fantasy (c: Children now can be learning the good that they can do, so they will know good things to do while they have run-ins with the real world.

"Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good." (Romans 12:21)

Fantasy stuff often enough does not show children how to live and love. It is good for them to know there are good things they can do at any time, and not only once there is time and money to go to fast-food or fantasy places.

Wearing a dress does not prepare a child to know how to love in marriage. Ones have so fantasized, but now we see the fifty-percent divorce rate in America. Children need to be prepared for how to relate in marriage.
---willie_c: on 12/12/12


I have taken my kids to Disney World a couple of times,this is a world of imagination that thrilled them greatly.
Children live in a time when fantasy and reality clash but soon the realize the difference.
Why spoil a child's dream with the ugly reality of the adult world? they get there soon enough!
Do you buy your boys toy cars and girls dolls? Do your girls dress up and play bride??
Why trample kid's dreams???
---1st_cliff on 12/12/12


Well, to say he knows what we are doing . . . is kind of like saying he is God . . . not all the way in that direction but it can be pushing it.

And to have children looking to Santa for gifts material and vain, instead of to Jesus for His gifts . . . I think we can do better than telling them there is Santa.

A word "god" can mean a great being with great powers. So, yes, ones do consider Santa to be a god. The word "god" in the Bible is used to mean a human much greater than others, in authority and power. And Santa is said to have authority to require that children be good for him . . . so they can get material gifts.

"Their motive needs to be higher."
---willie_c: on 12/11/12


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One thing is for certain, yes I can remember being real upset to find out the mystery or just a big lie! Matter a fact I used to get so worried that Santa might get hurt or even robbed! That how I was as a child I really was care more about was he ok? Than any gift. I was very caring child. My grandmother was a loving person. My brothers laugh at me alot. I was scared if my dolls got in the water. I cried and thought they were dead. So just imagine find out about Santa Claus. I became mistrustfull of adults! ELENA
---ELENA on 12/11/12


First off, Santa Claus is not a deity, nor is he depicted as one.

The various legends of Santa Claus show him as definitely limited by space and time--something that the true God is not.

Santa Claus is an American myth--a blending of the British Father Christmas with Saint Nicholas.

The historical Saint Nicholas was a devoted servant of our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ, to Whom be glory.
---Cluny on 12/11/12


I don't know of any parents who refer to Santa as being any kind of God but the fact they allow their children to believe that this non-existent person has the power to fly through the sky etc. is, i.m.o. not good. It's the same with the tooth fairy.

One day children have to be let down and told the truth and they then know that their parents lied.

We were severely criicised, by Christians mainly, for not allowing Santa and Tooth Fairy in our homes but our children are glad that we took that stand. Each must make their own decision.
---Rita_H on 12/11/12


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