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Women Must Keep Silent

Why are the words "Women must keep silent in church only applied to 'preaching'. Women are asked to pray, read scripture, teach Sunday School, take women's meetings etc. ALL of which (where I am) are held 'in the church'. b.t.w. Don't women missionaries preach?

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There false prophetess heads were unshaven,(worshipped false goddess Diana[Ishtar]) they crepted into the church of Corinth and was addressed. I Cor 11:6
The covering is the veil: Christ
Anyone who is without the covering of Jesus Christ either speak of their own accord or a false prophet.
I Cor 11:10 :For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels."

As to the woman:If she speaks/prophesying under the anointing of the Holy Spirit-let her speak-If not-let her keep quiet.Gen6(all),Matt24:37,Jude

If (anyone) tries to teach without the wisdom/veil/covering of "Christ" they are like a soldier out of the unity of form.

The covering is - Christ.
The Word of God - Anointed.
---char on 1/26/13


Legends, its all good here. I will tell you independent Baptist have church problems. I am thankful mine isn't one of them. I like my church because we answer to no organizations but we answer to God. My pastor is fluent in Hebrew and Greek word studies. Makes for interesting messages. Honestly if you want to know anything about my faith, just ask. God bless
---shira4368 on 1/23/13


"Sister" Shira,
Never my intention to Pick or Pry... I truly realize that's not the way to go. Thanks again for clarifying!
God Bless You... M'am!!!
---Legends on 1/23/13


Preaching is to bring or deliver the word of God to bring people to salvation.
All prophets in the old testament did this.
Preaching is for man's ears to bring them to repentance.
Worship is for God only. The Bible is VERY clear on worship.
To prophesy is to bring the word or delivery the word of God."thus says the Lord...."
It is the same thing as preaching, To delivery or speak the word of God.
The story of Huldah deals with a scroll, she deciphers it and speaks/preaches the Word of God to a king and a priest.
We know God does not change, then the way WE are reading this text is incorrect.
God would not put Huldah in this position if she weren't allowed to do it.
---g on 1/23/13


ada, legends, you can pick and pry but the point is I wasn't clear when saying women can't speak in church. women can speak, testify, sing but women are not to be bishops, pastors or have authority over man. there is no contradictions in my king james bible. If you read my earlier post, I said women can testify and sing in church. quick picking. you can pick me to death but honestly it wouldn't work.
---shira4368 on 1/22/13




g, I can't tell if we are on the same page or not? Please clarify.

I believe the scriptures teach that women are not to preach in the church worship service.

By the way, please show me where preaching and worship are different in the scriptures.

You mentioned Huldah, again a prophetess, not a preacher. She fortold events. The scriptures say she dwelt at the college, I'm not sure if she taught there?

In many instances we see women who prophesied, but we never see an instance where they preached, held the office of Apostle, pastored a church, or wrote scripture.
---trey on 1/22/13


Hey,sis.Shira4368, when I read your posts, enjoyable, got this song where this. old time music but beautifull, "my mom told me, get up! Now we going to church! & little Doris said"Ma I'm not going!"..under her breath..the mom Gave her Look! and she was Mad! "She say you can talk crazy, but you going Up Outa Here! You can go Airborne now! or you can be alive & go to church!" Me, & all my children are going to serve the Lord...that was the end of that.It makes me laugh everytime I hear it.She. was about 9 years old at the time.
---ELENA on 1/21/13


//I know women can speak and testify in church.// shira

that is not scriptural according to an earlier posting of yours.
---aka on 1/21/13


Family, this ELENA, well, last few years I have seen women who call them selves"pastor" just like my sister Shira4368, I don't believe we women should be pastors.For years have seen women "preach" some churches will not let be.in the platform/ or the upper floor but she may preach on the regular like they do main level. Women seem to preach and sometimes, they are criticize her garments/ like if she wear short sleeves. I have a former friend who now is the "pastor" of A.O.G
church, her own husband quit since she became "pastor" and her daughter who does preach evangelist, she quit too, going another church.
---ELENA on 1/20/13


legends, thanks but I don't know if I came across wrong but a bishop being the husband of one wife is speaking of pastoring a church. God didn't call women to preach or pastor a church. I know women can speak and testify in church. we can sing in church but we are not called as pastors or bishops. sorry if I confused you. you are right saying we don't know know if the blogger is male or female. I am female 100%. I always put my pen name and number on my blogs. God bless you too.
---shira4368 on 1/19/13




Shira, Thanks for restating your stance on this matter.
-I don't see what the scriptures about being bishops(overseers) has to do with women keeping silence in the church. Two different subjects!
-AMEN to you, God doesn't contradict Himself. But our subtle inaccuracies do contract truth. KEEP LISTENING!
-I see contradictions in your interpretations. Because you used a scripture about bishops to back up your opinion about silencing women in the church, it seems a bit vain for me to blog any other scriptural evidences. You seem very convinced of your position at this time.
So with all sincerity... "God Bless You!"
And pardon the "guys" comment. I seem to never figure out the gender of a blogger.
---Legends on 1/19/13


I believe, if you look into a Greek-wording Bible Concordance, you will discover that "women" (or "woman") is actually translated as "WIVES", or "WIFE". A wife is not to be a busy-body, chattering away, like some women are more prone than men to do (face it, ladies! Men do talk, but, women are more guilty of this!) They should be proper wives and not chatter away or talk down their husbands. But, mind their proper role in the family structure at the Church.
---Gordon on 1/19/13


I Cor 11:5-6 is dealing with women's role in the church worship service. Here the scriptures are speaking of preaching.

WOW! No contradiction!!!
---trey on 1/15/13


Might I add that preaching is different/seperate from worship. Says so all through the Bible.
Singing,dancing, crying, praying, and the way we live is worship according to the Bible.

If God is the same forever, never changing. Then answer why A king and a priest had to go to a WOMAN to HEAR what GOD had to say (prophet/preaching)?
Her name was Huldah. Look Her up she is in the Bible. She was also a teacher at a college and taught men.
---g on 1/19/13


AMEN Sitster Shira!!! Thank God for Moms and Dads that pray! My Mom has always taken time twice a day to go into her bathroom and pray. I wish I could say the same about myself.

James5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

I believe "man" there means man or woman and that our righteousness comes solely from Christ!

Lord bless you sister!
---trey on 1/19/13


legends, my king james bible doesn't contradict not one single little word. 1 timothy 2: a bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach,

verse no 4 would rule out any pastor including my own dad whom I love very very much. vs 4: One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity. vs 5: for if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God.
---shira4368 on 1/18/13


Sorry Guys. But I can't tell whether we are in agreement on women preaching in the church or not. HELP!
I say they can. I use both scriptures in I Corinthians that you mentioned as non-contradicting verses.
I believe they do contradict the notion that women cannot preach or speak in church.
Pardon any confusion on my part.
---Legends on 1/18/13


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trey, thanks for what you said. you are right, it is in church service. now we testify and sing but that is not speaking in church. trey I will always stand on the Word of God. I am blessed and I am thankful I had a mama and daddy who prayed for me and took me to church.
---shira4368 on 1/16/13


shira, may I commend you on your stand for the truth!

Legend, all the scriptures must agree. The scriptures do not contradict each other.
Now read: 1 Cor 14:34
Now read: 1 Cor 11:5-6

Let us reason together.
I Cor 14:34 deals with prophesying of future events and it is done outside the church worship service. These verses are not dealing with preaching.

I Cor 11:5-6 is dealing with women's role in the church worship service. Here the scriptures are speaking of preaching.

WOW! No contradiction!!!
---trey on 1/15/13


Argue with God and Paul, not me. Women can pray and even prophecy IN THE CHURCH.(Heads covered though) BUT they can speak.

/But every woman that PRAYETH or PROPHESIETH with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn./ICor11:5-6 KJV

Below is a direct Bible quote of 1Cor14:34-36 since my transliteration caused a slight stir.

34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak, but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
36 What?
---Legends on 1/15/13


legends, neither me nor you are not capable of writing bible but I just quoted what the bible says. If you don't like what the bible says, take it up with God. I stand on the Word of God and nothing man says can ever ever change it.
---shira4368 on 1/9/13


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Women must keep silent in the church. They aren't permitted to speak...
What?????
Did the word of God come directly out from you? Or was it only you that received a grand revelation from God?
If ANY man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that "I"(Paul) write unto you ARE the COMMANDMENTS of the Lord.
And here what I say...
"Seek to prophecy and don't put religious restrictions on tongues"
---Legends on 1/8/13


Paul also wrote:Phl 4:3 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and [with] other my fellowlabourers, whose names [are] in the book of life.

1Cr 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with [her] head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

I believe people apply these words because they want power over others. Instead of just trusting GOD to lead by men or women.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/7/13


Peter and Francis,
1 Peter 2:9 Please note: The word "peculiar" in the verse is the Greek word: peripoiesis and it means "purchased".

The Apostle Peter is instructing us that God's people have been purchased by the blood of Christ. It has nothing to do with the definition Francis gave.

I hope that lends some clarity.
---trey on 1/7/13


The role of women in the church is clearly outlined by the Lord through the inspired words of the Apostle Paul. Women today ignore Paul's sound advice to keep silent because deception of worlds equal rights. There is no equal leadership in true Christian marriage, yet Satan is successful with this deception today.

There were no women chosen as Apostles by the Lord Jesus.

There were no women leading the first century church, simply because the Lord wanted his church to be led by men, it is a spiritual decision not an equal rights amendment by the world.

Churches with women leaders are not being led by the Lord Jesus. Any church with a women leader has fallen into idolatry.
---Follower_of_Christ on 1/7/13


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If you read 1Corinthians you'll find that chapters 12-14 deal with speaking in tongues.

In 1Corinthians 11 Paul tells the Corinthian Christians how women should dress for their culture when praying or prophesying in a church meeting. How could women prophesy without speaking?

In my experience, when speaking in tongues has clearly been outside Paul's guidelines, it has been the women who led.

This was about women speaking in tongues. The word Paul used for speaking was a common word for speaking, but he had choices, and the word he used has a background implication of babbling speech, and I believe God inspired him to make that choice intentionally.
---Charlie on 1/7/13


sorry phil, God is the same yesterday, today and forever. His Word never changes. God gave us structure within the church and the family. I am afraid they both have almost come to an end.
---shira4368 on 1/4/13

Issuing an apology for offense unintended is noble. Apologizing for error is a step forward in honesty.

Apology coming forth from condescension is reprehensible in a believer.

However, being imperfect myself, allowance is made for this trespass.
---Phil on 1/5/13


I believe this was a situational thing the Paul was talking about. He dealt with a lot of situational and cultural issues in his letters that we don't understand. Women and men were separated and did not sit together. Because women were uneducated they would shout across the room to their husbands. Paul was dealing with this issue when he wrote this. It had nothing to do with the role of women in churches.
---Sandy on 1/5/13


sorry phil, God is the same yesterday, today and forever. His Word never changes. God gave us structure within the church and the family. I am afraid they both have almost come to an end.
---shira4368 on 1/4/13


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Since the role of the prophet has ceased in this era of grace, the word of God being completed by Paul [Col 1:25], this passage from 1 Corinthians is no longer in force.

The subjugation of women believers is typical and without warrant. It is amongst the creedalists and denominations that this error persists.

Where it exists, the body of Christ is very small and immature at best. Spiritual discernment and unity of the Spirit precludes such discrimination.

Satan is no dummy.
---Phil on 1/4/13


---Peter on 12/20/12
1 Peter 2:9
Definition of PECULIAR
1: characteristic of only one person, group, or thing : distinctive
2: different from the usual or normal: a : special, particular b : odd, curious c : eccentric, queer

My idea is that words have more than one meaning

So when we see the word prophesy in the bible, some people think that it always mean to tell the future as a prophet would. In the majority of cases what is being done is actually preaching.

Consider this: if I spoke about revelation 22, an event yet to come, and I telling the future or am I preaching?

What we see in the majority of cases especially in the NT is people explaining scripture which has to do with the future,
---francis on 12/21/12


Luke 1:67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

Luke 1:68 Blessed [be] the Lord God of Israel, for he hath visited and redeemed his people,

Luke 1:69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David,

Luke 1:70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

Luke 1:71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us,

Luke 1:72 To perform the mercy [promised] to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant,

Luke 1:73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,

PREACHING OR FUTURE TELLING( PROPHECY)
---francis on 12/21/12


Francis: Your comments about 'prophesy' are rather more complex.

The problem with the OT I cannot say, because I speak not Hebrew.

However, in NT Greek, the word 'Prophesy' does imply speaking of what will be, not merely to preach as to what IS TO be done.

I am sorry, perhaps you can explain to me, I do not see where 1 Pet 2:9 connects to this - it speaks as to what they are to do, but I don't see a connection to prophecy?
---Peter on 12/20/12


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francis, the bible is it's own source for defining words. Look into scripture and show us where women preached in the early church. You won't find an example.

Yes some were prophets who fortold of future events, and some helped explain or expound on the gospel such as Priscilla when she and Aquila her husband helped Apollos. But I've never read of one of them preaching in the true church of the Living God.

Please don't get me wrong, women are vital to the worship service and they are primary in nurturing and admonishing the children in the ways of the Lord.
---trey on 12/20/12


---aka on 12/20/12

Strong's Greek Definition
1) to prophesy, to be a prophet, speak forth by divine inspirations,
to predict
1a) to prophesy
1b) with the idea of foretelling future events pertaining esp.
to the kingdom of God
1c) to utter forth, declare, a thing which can only be known
by divine revelation
1d) to break forth under sudden impulse in lofty discourse or
praise of the divine counsels


1d1) under like prompting, to teach, refute, reprove, admonish,
comfort others


1e) to act as a prophet, discharge the prophetic office






in Greek writings, an interpreter of oracles or of other hidden things
---francis on 12/20/12


francis...what is peculiar to me is why you keep talking about one word and not the other in question. i asked you for a source.
---aka on 12/20/12


Propesy in the bible means both future telling, and preaching
---francis on 12/19/12

according to whom?
---aka on 12/19/12
the bible

Job 21:3 Suffer me that I may speak.
What does SUFFER in this passage mean? what does the dictionary say?

1 Peter 2:9 But ye [are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people,

What does pecular mean in the dictionary?

Point being words have different meaning in differnt context

Prophesying in the bible means both future telling, and preaching

see 1 Samuel 10 AND 19
May help to use multiple translations
---francis on 12/20/12


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Propesy in the bible means both future telling, and preaching
---francis on 12/19/12

according to whom?

the closest i can come to "preaching" is inspired speaking, but in context the inspired speakers were the prophets but not the preachers.

but, if preachers want to elevate themselves or if we want to elevate someone, prophet will do. i will still call them by their first name.
---aka on 12/19/12


so says the dictionary.
---christan on 12/19/12
Let me help you a little
Job 21:3 Suffer me that I may speak.
What does SUFFER in this passage mean? what does the dictionary say?


1 Peter 2:9 But ye [are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people,

What does pecular mean in the dictionary?

Point being words have different meaning in differnt context

Propesy in the bible means both future telling, and preaching
---francis on 12/19/12


"Try meaning of word in original language and context" francis

Have you run out of verses in the Scriptures to use to demonstrate your ignorance that you are now turning to just "words"? Even then, you're getting it all wrong with the meanings, so says the dictionary.
---christan on 12/19/12


Dictionary defines...
---christan on 12/19/12
Try meaning of word in original language and context
---francis on 12/19/12


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"Prophesy is not always, teling the future the same word also means to preach." francis

You've just turn the understanding of the English language on it's head.

Dictionary defines prophesy as "to foretell or predict, to indicate beforehand, to declare or foretell by or as if by divine inspiration, to utter in prophecy or as a prophet.

and preaching as "the act or practice of a person who preaches, the art of delivering sermons, a sermon, a public religious service with a sermon."

Wow, how similar are those two words?
---christan on 12/19/12


---trey on 12/18/12
you are wrong
Prophesy is not always, teling the future
the same word also means to preach.

Here are the rules for men and women preaching in the churches

1 Corinthians 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having [his] head covered, dishonoureth his head.

1 Corinthians 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with [her] head uncovered dishonoureth her head:

the bible NEVER says women cannot reach, only that they preach with their head COVERED

1 Corinthians 11:15 her hair is given her for a covering.
---francis on 12/18/12


francis - this explanation is not for you. I write this for others who are seeking the truth:

Acts21:9 And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy. (See also Joel 2:28)

Which did profhesy: Neither the Jews nor the early Christians allowed women to preach in the synagogues or the churches. The above mentioned phrase does not mean to interpret scripture or to preach. The above mention phrase means to tell of future events.

Another example is Agabus. He took Paul's girdle and prophesied of Paul's future inprisonment. Acts 21:10-11
---trey on 12/18/12


---trey on 12/17/12
Acts 2:17 I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Acts 21:9 And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.

1 Corinthians 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with [her] head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

Above a a number of text statingthat women can prophesy and the conditions under which is shoudl be done, and you wish to convince me that women cannot prophesy/ preach in a church?

What venue is then suited for women to prophesy/ preach>
---francis on 12/18/12


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christian, you'll never convince francis because he is a SDA. If he were to admit you were right it would prove Ellen G White was in the wrong and francis will never admit that no matter how much scripture you put in front of him or biblical knowlege you share.
---trey on 12/17/12


"On these same women also fell the Holy ghost, and they preached just as the men did" francis

You're just like the dog chasing it's own tail. Round and round never coming to the understanding of the Word of God.

How many times must you be reminded that Acts 2:17 of what happened at Pentecost was the fulfillment of the prophesy from Joel about the Holy Ghost descending on those in the upper room. Peter was citing what Joel prophesied in the OT as Pentecost Day.

And you keep babbling about woman rights to preach in the church which Acts 2:17 never advocate or teaches. Only you teach this doctrine of yours using the verse.
---christan on 12/17/12


Acts 1:13 And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James [the son] of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James. These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with THE WOMEN, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.

On these same women also fell the Holy ghost, and they preached just as the men did

Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
---francis on 12/17/12


francis, more of your foolishness is exposed. The Samaritan woman in John 4:28 went to "testify and witness" to unbelievers that she had seen the Savior in Jacob's well. Her case is not one of "preaching" but "witnessing". You can't even differentiate the difference!

When you and I meet people we have no knowledge and share the Gospel, that's not "preaching" but "witnessing and testifying". Anyone who's a believer has a duty to "witness & testify" - so saith Christ. But to a congregation of "believers", you "preach" and you do not "witness & testify". See the difference?
---christan on 12/16/12


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francis, you cannot show me anywhere in God's Word where women preach.
---shira4368 on 12/15/12
John 4:28 The woman then left her waterpot, and went her way into the city, and saith to the men, Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ?

Acts 21:9 And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.
Acts 18:26 when Aquila and PRISCILLA had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.

Romans 16:7 Salute.. Junia,...my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles,

Acts 2:17 your daughters shall prophesy,

The word prophesy also means preach, You are congfusing preacher with pastor
---francis on 12/16/12


"Actually it was his four daughters who did prophesy AFTER PENTECOST. And these is not one word that limits Joel to penecost only." francis

The events that occured in Acts 2:17 and Acts 21:9 (which you quoted) has nothing to do with one or the other. I'm not even talking about "prophesy" as per se but it was mentioned in Acts 2:17 about what was happening in the upper room was being fulfilled in the prophesy of Joel. Which was about a particular event known as Pentecost Day.

"Did you not know that one can be a preacher and NOT a pastor?"

The dictionary, which is secular even makes more sense than the nonsense you speak.
---christan on 12/15/12


Here are the true requirements for a woman preacher:
1Ti3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach,
1Ti3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre, but patient, not a brawler, not covetous,
1Ti3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity,
1Ti3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

The church is the bride of Christ. Marriage is a picture of Christ and his church. A woman preacher is like the church teaching Christ??? That doesn't even make good nonsense.
---trey on 12/15/12


francis, women preachers is so against what God ordained. you cannot show me anywhere in God's Word where women preach.
---shira4368 on 12/15/12


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Here is the requirment for women preaching and praying in church:

1 Corinthians 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

1 Corinthians 11:15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

1: there must be a physical distintion drawn between males and females

2: Even when a women preaches, she does so under the authority of a man
---francis on 12/15/12


Wherever God is present, there is an order to worship. Dignities are addressed and accorded honor in line with their positions of authority.

There is none higher than the
God of our Lord. In His presence, obeisance is all we may fittingly perform

In this present era, our lives are hid with Christ in God, and we are seated with Him in the heavens in spirit.

I would tread carefully in making pronouncements on the place of women in the ecclesia.

That women can and should lift us all to higher places in the realization of God should not be threatened by ritual and dogma.

Each should understand and embrace the Head, thereby supplying life to the body.

Each should esteem the other better than themselves.
---Phil on 12/15/12


This was a prophesy by Joel being fulfilled at a particular Pentecost Day and was never repeated.

and Acts 21:9, "And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy." This was referring to Philip the evangelist family.
---christan on 12/13/12

Actually it was his four daughters who did prophesy AFTER PENTECOST. And these is not one word that limits Joel to penecost only.


Did you not know that one can be a preacher and NOT a pastor?
---francis on 12/14/12


The interesting thing about this Verse and subject in discussion, is that, in Greek, the actual word for "woman" in this Verse is "wife", not just mere "woman" or "female". That changes the whole direction of the Verse. It really speaks of women's position in the family more than just the woman's position in the Church setting. Look it up in a Concordance, someone. It's there.
---Gordon on 12/14/12


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francis, you flip-flop from Scripture to Scripture and yet you still cannot make your case hold water. You say, "In God's church there are Apostles, pastors and preachers."

Are you implying there are still "Apostles" existing today? Isn't the title of "apostle", one who has walked with the Lord Jesus Christ - in the literal sense? Even "prophets" do not exist anymore, but "false prophets" do.

As for pastors, isn't one of their duty preaching, making them a preacher in the presence of God's people during worship? And NO, what you are trying to say does not justify "woman pastors".
---christan on 12/13/12


As far as WORSHIP and devotion, there should not be any gender restrictions (ALL of the sincere are HIS BRIDE,..."neither male nor female").

Two thousand years ago, society was very crude and it's rules/regulations were even more prudish and 'caveman chauvinistic' than today.

Paul's mission was to preach JESUS AS MESSIAH, not to be political and destroy the cultural habits (no matter how crude those habits were, fulfilling God's mission was paramount).....or even make gender an issue for controversy.

Anyway, TODAY, IN JESUS (law of LIBERTY), if worship/devotion is from your HEART....

"why do you live as if you still belonged to the world? Why do you submit to regulations,..." (Colossians 2:20).
---more_excellent_way on 12/13/12


will anyone even DARE accept the challenge of actually LIVING the 'non-gender status' that our Lord desires of us?.....
---more_excellent_way on 12/13/12

Not sure what you are discussing but please explain your non-gender understanding of this verse:

1 Cor 11:3 "But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God"

Seems that God does respect gender in some ways.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/13/12


Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles, and some, prophets, and some, evangelists, and some, pastors and teachers,

In the false churches, the preachers are always the pastors.
In God's church there are Apostles, pastors and preachers.

1 Cor 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is the man, and the head of Christ is God.

The pastors and Apostles are the human authority in the church. When a woman preaches in the church, she preaches with the permission and under the authority of a pastor , apostles or bishop.

Same as in the home, the man is head of the home, does that mean his wife cannot teach the children God's word is the home?
---francis on 12/13/12


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1 Timothy 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

This is about having AUTHORITY over a man, not at all about preaching in church

1 Cor 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak, but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home:

This is about disturbing the services with talking " across the pew" to their husband while the teaching is going on

Habbakuk 2:20 But the LORD is in his holy temple: let all ( MAN AND WOMAN)the earth keep silence before him.
---francis on 12/13/12


francis, let your foolishness of understanding Scripture be fully exposed.

Firstly, this is Acts 2:17, "And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams." This was a prophesy by Joel being fulfilled at a particular Pentecost Day and was never repeated.

and Acts 21:9, "And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy." This was referring to Philip the evangelist family.

Neither of Scriptures you provided supports your ungodly theory. That's how foolish you are at using Scriptures.
---christan on 12/13/12


"Sunday School"

Does the observance of Sunday, profane the 4th commandment, remember Sabbath day?

Many have been deceived with a tie in to the god of Constantine, "the invincible sun"

2nd Cor. 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
---J-marc on 12/13/12


I've been writing about the REAL TRUTH of God for years.

I realize how irrationally and insanely insistent the body of Christ is to REAL truth, but let's see what the body of Christ does with this verse....

"neither male nor female".

....besides all of the blah blah rhetoric rationalization excuses of "context", etc., will anyone even DARE accept the challenge of actually LIVING the 'non-gender status' that our Lord desires of us?.....

...(actually LIVE God????....fat chance!).
---more_excellent_way on 12/13/12


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Using Acts 2:17 and 21:9 to say otherwise is lame. That's because according to you "Women being silent in church is not doctrinal, it is CONTEXUAL". So, Paul must have been wrong when he wrote:
---christan on 12/13/12

OH MY What have I done. I made a big mistake.

I actually use sripture that gives women full authority, and the spirit of God to preach and be prophets, instead of using those same sriptures to prove that women cannot preach in church.

I guess those text means that women must only preach and prophecy in the streets or under sycomore trees. god forbid that they preach in the church
---francis on 12/13/12


"Does not apply to preaching at all" francis

At least Rita_H has got it right when she said "Women must keep silent in church only applied to 'preaching'" It's unbiblical for a woman to "preach" before the congregation of God's people.

Using Acts 2:17 and 21:9 to say otherwise is lame. That's because according to you "Women being silent in church is not doctrinal, it is CONTEXUAL". So, Paul must have been wrong when he wrote:

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak, but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law."
---christan on 12/13/12


1 Timothy 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

1 Timothy 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

A: The silence has to do with contexual behaviour in church
This is not doctrinal.( we shouldnot talk while the service is going on)

B: The headship of man is doctrinal ( never been a female priest, pastor, or biship in the church of God) but there have been many female preachers and prophets
---francis on 12/13/12


1st Corinthians 14:34-38 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak, but they are COMMANDED to be under OBEDIENCE, as also saith the law.

35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a SHAME for women to speak in the church.

36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the COMMANDMENTS of the Lord.

38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
---J-marc on 12/13/12


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Context of "silent" in 1 Corinthians 14:30 is found prior in 27-29 "If anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be two or at the most three, each in turn, and let one interpret. But if there is no interpreter, let him keep silent in church, and let him speak to himself and to God. Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge."

As for verse 34, "Let your women keep silent in the churches", which Paul reiterated it with authority in 1 Timothy 2:12, "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."

See the difference the "silent" Paul was referring to? They are not of the same context.
---christan on 12/12/12


"Women must keep silent in church only applied to 'preaching'.
---Rita_H on 12/11/12
Does not apply to preaching at all
Acts 2:17 your sons and your daughters shall prophesy
Acts 21:9 And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.


Women being silent in church is not doctrinal, it is CONTEXUAL
---francis on 12/12/12


Excuse me, my apology well I always thought women be silent in the church (1) women are like the " weaker vessel" & maybe be protect her from getting into gossip (2) women should not be dominanate over the man. My grandmother took me to church where the women were not allowed to preach nor be in the front nor be on the platform
God bless you. ELENA
---ELENA on 12/12/12


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Not swift with the word but I got love of JESUS in my heart. Keep the motivation till JESUS come back. From Sis.ELENA
Say hello to your wife! :)
---ELENA on 12/12/12


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Earlier, here in 1 Corinthians 14:26-33, it talks about tongues. But then it talks about prophets and how at times they need to be silent > and then, after talking about when a prophet needs to be silent >

We have 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 > here - - right after it says when a prophet must be silent . . . then it says women "are not permitted to speak". But then it says, "And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home, for it is shameful for women to speak in church."

So, it is clear that silence includes not talking in church with one's husband, in order to ask a question. But they can talk at home.
---willie_c: on 12/12/12


The context of 1 Corinthians 14:30 "silent" pertains to the speaking of tongues in the early days of the church.

It's not the same issue as the "keep silent" mentioned in the latter verses of 34 to 38 of the same chapter. Which is also mentioned in 1 Timothy 2:11-15 as "to be in silence". That's why woman pastors and preachers in the pulpits are in violation of this admonishment by Paul.

As a Christian, we must take seriously that such practice never come into the gathering of God's people when the Word is being preached before the congregation.

Do not confuse this admonishment by Paul with witnessing and testifying to unbelievers.
---christan on 12/12/12


Before it says for women to be "silent", it says to prophets >

"But if anything is revealed to another who sits by, let the first keep silent." (1 Corinthians 14:30)

So, prophets and not only women are told to be "silent".
---willie_c: on 12/11/12


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