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Who Are The Elect People

The scriptures speak of the elect. Do you believe that God has an elect (chosen) group of people or is it a person? If you say yes, who is or are the elect?

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God calls Israel "chosen/elect". Isaiah 42, 43,44,45,46 (all)

Is 42:1Behold my servant, whom I uphold, mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth, I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

Is 49 (all)
6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

Why? The "Seed" of Immanuel (God with us),Ysha/Jesus (God is Savior) Seed-line comes from Israel.
Judah: King-line
Levi: High Priest-line

The only Savior that All could be saved.

Continued'
---char on 12/21/12


Paul: of the seed of Abraham, an Israelite of the tribe of Benjamin.

Acts 9:15, "But the Lord said unto him, "God thy way: for he [Paul] is a chosen vessel unto Me, to bear (My Name) before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel"

Rom 11:13 "For I speak to you Gentiles, in as much as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:"

Israel falls-the Gentiles/ethnos may obtain salvation and yet, the natural branches will be grafted---back.
Yet:
Rom 11:18 "Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee."


*Israel/elect/chosen is not the "election of grace"
Rom 11:5
---char on 12/21/12


The problem with John Calvin and Calvinism is what lead to murder in the first place.

Answer: The exact same mantality of a state controlled religion the RCC had.

The Reformers fought to break away FROM a legalistically state controlled religion.

And anyone who knows anythign about the Calvinists/Puritans in America should know how that flopped too.

Geneva ended in a bloodbath. Salem MA ended in witch hunts. Anyone who failed to CONFORM had to leave.

THIS IS NOT CHRISTIANITY.

Christianity is a person...Jesus Christ.....NOT a RELIGION CONTROLLED any in authority over you.

Jesus Christ is our HEAD, no one else! All else is anti-Christ.
---kathr4453 on 12/21/12


scott, whatever happened to Michael Servetus is not my concern as this is not a history lesson of he say this or that.

What's important to me is the grace of God, which He chose to demonstrate to Paul (and that's because it's written that he's an elect), even after he persecuted and murdered Christians. This I know is true because it's written in the Bible. Or Paul couldn't have written, "For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God"

As for all the Calvin and Michael Servetus issue, there are just to many different accounts floating around that it's not worth spending my time on. I'm not into this kind of history.
---christan on 12/21/12


"You failed to mentioned the timeline..."- Christan

Most sources indicate that Calvin broke from the Catholic Church sometime around 1536. His "conversion" occurred a few years earlier but he was instrumental in the burning death of Michael Servetus, a Spanish theologian for the supposed crime of heresy, on October 27, 1553.

How long after Saul's conversion was he (Paul) still persecuting Christians?


"The command "Thou shall not kill" is without exception, period. Nobody but God has any right to take the life of someone, even his enemy." Christan

Agreed.
---scott on 12/20/12




scott, like many accusers of Calvin, you have failed to mentioned the timeline of his earlier life when he was a Catholic priest and was involved in the "hunting heretics and in 1534 burned 24 heretics at the stake." It was years of struggle that he departed from the Catholic faith and became involved in the Reformed theology.

Sounds rather similar to that of a once Saul that became Paul, isn't it? So, please get your facts right before shooting off aimlessly like the others.

What's true is the elect are chosen before God created the world but they come into the world like everyone, born dead in sins and trespasses, until God's time. Read Romans 8:28-30.
---christan on 12/20/12


"The command "Thou shall not kill" is without exception, period. Nobody but God has any right to take the life of someone, even his enemy." Christan

Obviously, then, Calvin himself was not one of the "elect" as he played a role in the death of Michael Servetus.

Calvin's Defensio: "Whoever shall...contend that it is unjust to put heretics...to death will knowingly...incur their very guilt.... Wherefore {God} does demand of us so extreme severity...and (to) forget humanity when the matter is to combat for his glory...(H)umanity must be almost obliterated from our memories...Many people have accused me of such ferocious cruelty that I would like to kill again the man I have destroyed."
---scott on 12/20/12


So, Christan, if someone breaks into your house and attempts to rape and murder your wife, daughter and son, you have no right to kill them?
---Marc on 12/20/12


"With the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, etc., etc., etc., in mind...can anyone who played a role in the killing of someone they considered heretical be one of the "elect"?" scott

Do you classify those whom you mentioned as the "elect"? If I'm not mistaken the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition were endorsed and sanctioned by the Roman Catholic Church, alias the Vatican.

Who even said they were God's elect? His elect does not include pagans. And the command of "Thou shall not kill" is without exception, period. Nobody but God has any right to take the life of someone, even his enemy.
---christan on 12/20/12


Mark_V,

With the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, etc., etc., etc., in mind...can anyone who played a role in the killing of someone they considered heretical be one of the "elect"?
---scott on 12/20/12




Christan///Did the sinner do it out of his own "free-will" or was it because "the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day"? So, if you're being drawn by the Father to believe, how does you "free-will" come into play?

I totally agree. Salvation is 100% of the Lord. I never mentioned free will. God gives us faith and draws us to Christ. The "accepting" (putting your faith in Christ) only happens because the Father has drawn us.
---JIM on 12/20/12


"What do you think Esau sold for a bowl of lentils? His underwear? His tent? A cow?" Marc

And that was a "sign" to you that Esau thought he was an "elect"? Selling his birthright was a sign of an "elect"? Goodness!

"Esau was destined to inherit the birthright but he did not want it as much as Jacob did."

How does one who's "destined" to inherit something even go off-course? God predestined the death of His Son and those who crucified Him. Did any of them go off-course from God's will? Not a single soul! Even the Son submitted to the will of the Father.
---christan on 12/19/12


Bro. Trey, as much as others fight against the will of God with the free will they seem to believe they have, the more lost they become. They are not happy been one of the elect. Not happy at all. They don't want God to elect them to salvation, they want their rights. Their human rights are more important then the rights of God. suggesting:

How dare He chooses us they say, How dare He imposses His will on us, we are free to do what we want. We have no Ruler of our hearts. We are autonomus, free as the wind. But when they have a son or daughter dying in the hospital, they go to God and ask Him to please do something and save their daughters or sons"

On their knees they know it is God who changes a heart and saves.
---Mark_V. on 12/19/12


Christan: "Scripture never even expounded what Esau thought"

What do you think Esau sold for a bowl of lentils? His underwear? His tent? A cow?

It was his birthright. His inheritance, his because he was firstborn. Esau was destined to inherit the birthright but he did not want it as much as Jacob did.
---Marc on 12/19/12


Nana, well thank you for showing us the spirit filled heart of a follower of the doctrines of works from the RCC. By their fruits you will know them, we are told by God's Word. You only clarify where you stand with the Lord. You have already been added to the list who commonly throw dirt at others. Quite a few in that group already. But you will have to go to the back of the line.
---Mark_V. on 12/19/12


"Nana, do you think calling Christan, "Aren't you the silliest little girl!""
Mark_V. on 12/19/12

The same goes for you, Lisa. Your pettines and petulence betray
your claim and christan's. Neither of you are men. Act like men or
act like women and you be respected.

"Speaking things which they ought not - Revealing the concerns of their neighbors, disclosing secrets, magnifying trifles, so as to exalt themselves into importance, as if they were entrusted with the secrets of others, inventing stories and tales of gossip, that they may magnify and maintain their own consequence in the community."
Barnes Notes on 1 Timothy 5:13
---Nana on 12/19/12


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MarkV, there's a wonderful account in the Gospel of John 9 about the healing of the blind and the discourse with the Pharisees. It goes like this toward the end...

"And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see, and that they which see might be made blind.

And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?

Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see, therefore your sin remaineth."


See the similarity that exist here?
---christan on 12/19/12


Nana, do you think calling Christan, "Aren't you the silliest little girl!" makes your case valid? All it does is shows how much hate you have for the Truth. You act the same way as the world does. Acts 9, no where states that Paul stated he accepted Christ. Paul was dead in trespasses and sin, killing hundreds of people. Dead people do not accept anything. When they are made spiritually alive together with Christ, no one will say, I want to go back to been dead again. Their eyes and ears are opon, and they can now perceive the Truth.
When Christ converted Paul, all he did was do what Christ told him to do. Christ did not tell him he had a choice if he wanted to obey Him or not. He told him to do, and he did.
---Mark_V. on 12/19/12


My, Oh My! Aren't you the silliest little girl!
You need "Paul accepted Christ" spelled out in Acts 9, or it didn't happen?
By the same logic I say that because your conversion was not like Paul's
that you do not partake of his lot, capice?

Paul said from the ground, "Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: ...." Acts 9:5
"And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do?"
Just like the centurion (no greater show of faith...) Paul inmediately recognized the person and his power and authority and placed himself in the Lord's service,
capice?
---Nana on 12/18/12


Nana, your point of "Since your 'conversion' experience did not happen on the road to Damascus and no light from heaver or voice calling, therefore christan, you are not an elect from "before the foundation of the world" is nothing short of being ignorant and foolish.

Are you saying everyone of God's elect "MUST" happen like how Paul was converted or they are not His elect? My question is: where is the "accept Jesus Christ" and you are save? Unless you show evidence from the Scriptures that supports "your free-will kind of conversion", you are demonstrating your blindness and ignorance of Scriptures.
---christan on 12/18/12


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"I believe that there is a connection between being one of the chosen ones and excepting Christ" JIM

Then show a Scripture that supports "your believe" in this "accepting Christ" theory of salvation.

"Paul does say that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus Christ and believe in your heart.."

That's true but you must confirm how this happens, when someone is able to confess. Did the sinner do it out of his own "free-will" or was it because "the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day"? So, if you're being drawn by the Father to believe, how does you "free-will" come into play?
---christan on 12/18/12


"When Paul was converted in Acts 9, do you see a verse that says "Paul accepted Christ" and was saved? NO!

Paul was an elect of God before the foundation of the world."
---christan on 12/18/12

Acts 9:3_4 "And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?"


Since your 'conversion' experience did not happen on the road to Damascus and no light from heaver or voice calling,therefore christan, you are not an elect from "before the foundation of the world".
Same logic.
---Nana on 12/18/12


Sis. Shira, again I will say that salvation goes out to everyone but only a few will believe by faith. God is so just that if the others without faith could keep the whole law perfect they too would be saved. But they cannot. They need Christ. And while lost none of those seek after God. They are in a bind, trying to keep the law perfect but cannot make themselves holy or righteous. They need the righteousness of Christ. That righteousness only comes by imputation when a person believes by faith. Otherwise they remain unforgiven sinners. When the word 'Elect" is used in Scripture it only pertains to two issues, Israel as the elect nation, from many nations, and the elect chosen by God before the foundation of the world to be saved.
---Mark_V. on 12/18/12


christan...."As for your theory of "accept Christ are the elect", I think you'll find it hard-press to to show a verse of such a testimony.
Christan...I believe that there is a connection between being one of the chosen ones and excepting Christ. Paul does say that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus Christ and believe in your heart God raised Him from the dead you will be saved. If you accept Christ you are professing that He is Lord of your life and you do belive that God raised Him from the dead. That should make you a chosen one.
---JIM on 12/18/12


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"all human race is the elect before the foundation of the world. those who accept Christ are the elect." shira

"Elect" in Scripture points to those whom God love and they WILL inherit the Kingdom by God's grace 100%. If "all human race is the elect" according to you, then no one should be in hell and there should be no hell. But is that true? NOPE!

As for your theory of "accept Christ are the elect", I think you'll find it hard-press to to show a verse of such a testimony. When Paul was converted in Acts 9, do you see a verse that says "Paul accepted Christ" and was saved? NO!

Paul was an elect of God before the foundation of the world.
---christan on 12/18/12


richard, what you wrote is God's judgement when we will be seperated from the tares. God gives everyone an opportunity to be saved and after we are saved, we become the elect. God elects some for preaching, some for singing and I even think He sends many as prayer warriors. I do believe the gospel has been preached in every country. bible says even the firmament speaks of God.
---shira4368 on 12/18/12


Dear Sister Shira,

Please give me chapter and verse. While you're looking, here are a few for you:

Rom9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Jacob is representative of the elect family of God, but Esau the wicked.

2Th3:2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.
Paul didn't want to preach to every man, only those with faith, the elect.

Mt25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
His sheep are his elect. These are his people given to him by the Father. He will not lose one of the elect. They are secure in Christ!
---trey on 12/17/12


Who are the elect?

Romans 11:22 "Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity,
but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."

Do not continue in his goodness and you shall have elected to be cut off.
"For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee."
---Nana on 12/17/12


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trey, all human race is the elect before the foundation of the world. those who accept Christ are the elect.
---shira4368 on 12/17/12


Shira - on 12/17/12 - If your not Born of the Spirit - yes I believe that - That's why I wrote down those verses, Thats God doing the Work - Now as far as every Body being Saved - a Universal atonement - Then Why put the Word Hell in the Bible At all, If every body going to be Saved .

2 Thessalonians 1:8 - In Flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ
1:9 - Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power.

Shira - What do you do with this verse ?

A estimated 3.8 Billion People in the world have never heard of the gospel of Christ !
---RICHARDC on 12/17/12


Francis 12-16-2012: What God has " elected" or " predetermined" is not indiiduals.

Compare this to:

Ro8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Ro8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

The "whom" Paul is speaking of is the Elect.

Joh6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Elect means chosen by the Father from before the foundation of the world (Eph 1:4) and given by the Father to the Son.
---trey on 12/17/12


"Because Esau was chronologically born first, Jacob second. He thought he was the elect because of this." marc

Scripture never even expounded what Esau thought and election to salvation was not revealed till the NT was completed. So it's your thoughts you are expressing and not that of Esau.

"Christ didn't die for just a few, He died for every person in the world." shira

To be specific, Christ died for only those whom the Father has given to Him, no more no less. If He "died for every person in the world", hell will be empty, but it's not going to be empty. The "gate will be a broad one"! Therefore, your understanding of John 3:16 is erroneous.
---christan on 12/17/12


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---RICHARDC on 12/17/12

Good post
Everyone has a choice to be the elect of God
God's spirithas been made available to all
---francis on 12/17/12


richard, you can't choose to do God's will if you are not born of the spirit. Christ didn't die for just a few, He died for every person in the world. John 3:16 was a simple verse that tells it like it is and I put it in my answer because everyone knows that verse.
---shira4368 on 12/17/12


Christan,

Because Esau was chronologically born first, Jacob second. He thought he was the elect because of this.
---marc on 12/17/12


shira, just from John 3:16 and you understand it as "God predetermined all of human race as the elect if people will accept Christ". That's not what it means in John 3:16?

The "whosoever believeth" does not imply "anyone who accepts", and that's because Scripture never goes there. Rather, Christ declared, "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.", which contradicts your "free-will".

The final nail to the coffin of "free-will" - "Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father."
---christan on 12/17/12


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THE elect, the Appointed, are Chosen because that person has put His Heart and Soul in to doing Gods Will ????????????????

Jeremiah 24:7 AND will give them an Heart to Know Me, That I am the Lord : and They shall be my People, and will be their God , For the shall return unto me with Their Whole Heart.

EZEKIEL 11,19 I WILL give them one Heart, and I WILL put a New Spirit within You. and I will take the Stoney heart out of their Flesh, and I WILL give them a Heart of Flesh.
EZEKIEL 11:20 - That they may walk in my Statutes. and keep mine ordinance, and do them, and they shall be my people and I will be their God.

PROVERBS 20:9 - WHO can say , - I have made my Heart Clean, I am pure from my sins.
---RICHARDC on 12/17/12


Lord bless you!
---trey on 12/15/12

So rare to hear that! !

A heart felt thank you Trey!

Back at you!

Num. 6:24 The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

25 The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

26 The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace. heart felt thank you Trey!
---JMarc on 12/17/12


Steven G said:
"The elect, the appointed, are chosen because that person has put his heart and soul into doing God's will. It has become more difficult for God to choose someone in today's world because genuine love has practically evaporated from the face of this world."
You imply God has no power to save those He wants to save, man has more power then He does. That is not the God of the Bible.
Then you imply that God has trouble with men because they don't have love. The lost do not follow Christ, they don't have true love for Christ or anyone else. Paul stated there is nothing good in them, you say there is. You are reading another Bible. Online search has not helped you.
---Mark_V. on 12/17/12


Presumption?

Luke 3:8 "Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham."
Those coming to John were known for their 'braggin rights', presumption.

Matthew 21:43 "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof."
Amazing! Proverbs 13:4 "The soul of the sluggard desireth, and hath nothing: but the soul of the diligent shall be made fat."
---Nana on 12/17/12


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Marc, are you declaring that God loved Jacob and hated Esau because of what they did? Romans 9:11 says your understanding is rubbish:

"For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth", as clear as daylight, election is and will be unconditional!

And where in Scriptures does it say that "Esau presumed he was the elect."? And think real hard before you call someone or others an Esau, "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."
---christan on 12/16/12


"How are the elect chosen?" Steveng

Your theory of election is man-centred and utterly ridiculous, similar to that of Marc. Election is unconditional and explicitly taught in one verse, Romans 9:11. You make God out to be like you when God himself declared,

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."

Speak what's written in the Scriptures and not from a darken heart that's in sin and trespasses.
---christan on 12/16/12


I have studied the topic of "elect" and God predetermined all of human race as the elect if people will accept Christ. even in john 3:16 tells us that.
---shira4368 on 12/16/12


What God has " elected" or " predetermined" is not indiiduals. But rather those who accept righteousness by faith should be saved.

It is those who accept righteousness by faith that are the elcet.

The idea that God has el,ected or choosen some to be saved, and some to be lost is not biblical
---francis on 12/16/12


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Esau was firstborn and so was the heir. However, Jacob took the inheritance from him and so had firstborn rights. Jacob WANTED the firstborn status, Esau presumed he was the elect.

Be careful Christan and Markv, you're Esau.
---Marc on 12/16/12


John 1:47 "Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed,in whom is no guile!
Nice going for a dead man, hey?
---Nana on 12/16/12


How are the elect chosen?

A certain owner of a small business hired three people to perform specific jobs. Two were mediocre in the tasks, but one was dedicated to the growth of the business. He put his heart and soul into every task that was given. The owner decided that this person be appointed to oversea the entire operations.

God works the same way. The elect, the appointed, are chosen because that person has put his heart and soul into doing God's will. It has become more difficult for God to choose someone in today's world because genuine love has practically evaporated from the face of this world.
---Steveng on 12/16/12


Mark_V,

Just curious-

With the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, etc., etc., etc., in mind...can anyone who played a role in the killing of someone they considered heretical be one of the "elect"?
---scott on 12/16/12


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" Esau was the Elect. Jacob wrestled it away because he WANTED it. This is ABC stuff and you haven't even mastered the basics.
---Marc on 12/16/12 "


How does a person wrestle away an election by God before the foundation of the World?
They are lost, without understanding, don't even know God or that He has elected them, have no spiritual hearing, no spiritual eyes, no heart to perceive, don't even seek God, how could they possibly reject election while dead in their trespasses and sins? Can a dead person talk? can a dead person say, "I don't want to be made alive" while dead? Now that should be simple for anyone to know. But you don't.
---Mark_V. on 12/16/12


"Beware people: in Markv you are looking at a false prophet." Marc

And by this I assume you've annointed yourself "a true prophet" from God? Even after saying such unbiblical things like, "It was an offer to participate in eternal life."

An offer? Is salvation a shopping experience at the departmental store? Or have you no understanding of "And He said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not, and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes, lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed."
---christan on 12/16/12


Christan,

You're a fool too preaching a false gospel which gives no hope because the Elect don't need preaching. They're just zapped into the Kingdom.

If you'd understood the story of Jacob and Esau you'd understand Paul's point. But you don't because you're spreading a false gospel. Esau was the Elect. Jacob wrestled it away because he WANTED it. This is ABC stuff and you haven't even mastered the basics.
---Marc on 12/16/12


Marc, you cannot answer with the word of God so again you resort to more name calling and say,
"Markv,
You're a fool, one who does not want to learn and who spreads a false gospel, not of life, but of death."


If the Truth of the gospel is foolishness to you, it is because as Scripture tells us,
"For the message of the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God" (1 Cor. 1:18).
"For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of man, which is in him? "Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God" A person needs the Spirit of God to even know God. Lost man does not have the Spirit of God.
---Mark_V. on 12/16/12


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Marc 2: you then said,
"Beware people: in Markv you are looking at a false prophet"
Again, I am a sinner saved by grace. I had nothing whatsoever to do with my salvation, I was lost and God made me alive together with Christ. I was dead in sin. But not anymore.
And a person who gives you the Truth and you continue to reject it. Just like those lost reject the Truth and no one forces them, you reject the Truth just as they do and no one is forcing you to reject it, you do it because you have no genuine faith that comes from God. So you use your own logic and wisdom. Because you are afraid of the Truth, for it convicts you of sin. I don't convict you, the Word of Truth does.
---Mark_V. on 12/16/12


\\Beware people: in Markv you are looking at a false prophet.
---Marc on 12/15/12\\

And in looking in Marc, you are looking at meekness, sweetness, and humility personified.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/16/12


Markv,

You're a fool, one who does not want to learn and who spreads a false gospel, not of life, but of death. Your attempted exegesis of Romans 8:28 has ripped this verse from its lengthy surrounding context. How dare you pretend to be God's messenger! You haven't even progressed past ABC yet you tell all who will listen that you have God's truth.

Beware people: in Markv you are looking at a false prophet.
---Marc on 12/15/12


"The real question is why did he choose any of us? The real question is why did he choose any of us?" trey

To look for a reason "why God elected one unto eternal life" is to pry into the secret council of God. But He did give an answer just in case His Sovereign election is being called into question.

"For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth" Romans 9:11

This supports the theology of unconditional election and salvation by grace 100% without any doubt, unless you're a "free-willer".
---christan on 12/15/12


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---chria9396 on 12/15/12

This I might add to your on- target response as to whom are the elect in this age:

Eph 3:10 that now may be made known to the sovereignties and the authorities among the celestials, through the ecclesia, the multifarious wisdom of God.

1Pt 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed...which things the angels desire to look into.

The universe is awaiting our manifestation in power, at His coming for us in clouds.

The enemy will be routed, we will usurp him in his domain, and with Christ, we will reconcile all things in the celestial realms as spiritual beings created anew in His image.

This, too, is our inheritance.
---Phil on 12/15/12


"That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth, even in him:
---J-marc on 12/14/12"

"11, In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of Him who worketh all things after the counsel of His own will:

12 That we should be to the praise of His glory,


22 And hath put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be the head over all things to the church,

23 Which is His body, the fulness of Him that filleth all in all."
---chria9396 on 12/15/12


J. Marc, what you did was give Jesus Christ, who in fact is God. God saves us. God elected us to salvation. He did not elect the others.
"We know that all things work together for good to them that Love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose" (Rom 8:28). But not to those who do not love God. Only those who are the called according to His purpose. Love was, or better is, the motive of all God's goodness and grace towards "His children" He has for them an "everlasting Love" (Jer. 31:3). It was "in Love" that He predestinated us (believers) unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself" (Eph. 1:5).
---Mark_V. on 12/15/12


J-Mark, Good Answer! I believe he chose us simply because it was his good pleasure, and for his glory!

Lord bless you!
---trey on 12/15/12


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trey, "The real question is why did he choose any of us?
The real question is why did he choose any of us?

Paul gave us the answer!

Eph.1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace,

8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence,

9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth, even in him:
---J-marc on 12/14/12


The 5 foolish virgins ( had salvation, got to listening to 2nd.Cor.11 v 14 & got to playing with the things of the world & their spirituality leaked out. When The Bride Groom came, they were left behind & lost. ) -=- The 5 wise virgins ( The elect. They did Not partake of the worldly aspects & kept themselves Right & went with the Bride Groom when He came. ) Acts 2 v 38, The Only Salvation of God !
---Lawrence on 12/14/12


According to Scriptures, the word "elect" is very specific and points to one being in Jesus Christ and will receive salvation. And this did not come to light till the NT was fully revealed. Not that there were no elects in the OT. There were multitudes, but they were not all of Israel.

The nation of Israel was chosen by God out of so many other nations that He was going to reveal Himself and the oracles to in the OT. However, not everyone born a Jew were and are God's elect. Israel was only a shadow of the coming "church" or better known as the Body of Christ.

The physical was pointing to the Spiritual. That's what the OT was all about, "a type of" or "a shadow".
---christan on 12/13/12


It's not that God appointed them to sin, or appointed them to spend eternity in hell, it's that God chose not to act upon the non-elect." trey

I find your commentary rather disturbing with regards to 1 Peter 2:8. Peter said what he said without mincing his words and that was, "...WHEREUNTO ALSO THEY WERE APPOINTED"

Do not say what the Scripture doesn't say, for that's not what 1 Peter 2:8 is saying according to your commentary. And what's wrong for one to say God has created reprobates just as He has created elects? Simply put, reprobates will be given an unbelieving heart while the elect through regeneration, a believing heart.

Either way, only God is glorified!
---christan on 12/13/12


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trey, the elect IN CHRIST today is a person, that is Jesus Christ. We are members of HIS BODY making us elect IN HIM ALONE. One must believe the Gospel, and then when one does, that person is baptized INTO CHRIST making them one who is called the elect.

ALL and anyone..whosoever will who put their faith in Jesus Christ become members of HIS ELECT BODY who then God had for-ordained to become conformed to HIS IMAGE, ONLY because now we are In Christ.
---kathr4453 on 12/14/12


J_Mark, you bring up an excellent point of discussion:

1Pet2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

We know that our God is not the author of confusion. I believe Peter is telling us that God in his sovereignty made the choice not to act upon the non-elect, but to leave them in their state of sin. It's not that God appointed them to sin, or appointed them to spend eternity in hell, it's that God chose not to act upon the non-elect. He chose not to translate them from darkness to light, not to send his Spirit into their hearts crying Abba Father.

The real question is why did he choose any of us?
---trey on 12/13/12


God chooses whom He will to demonstrate His will and purposes.

Abraham was elect of God, as a demonstration of faith.

Israel was elect out of all the nations, being delivered from Egyptian bondage.

Out of Israel, there is an elect remnant.

The body of Christ was chosen in Him before the disruption of the world. Our election is a demonstration to the whole of the universe of His absolute grace and mercy.

Messengers are elect as well [1Ti 5:21]. These may be "angels" or men, as God commissions.
---Phil on 12/13/12


christian, God purposed to save all mankind. God dealt with my husband for a while but when my husband rejected Him, the convicting Spirit left for years and years. I prayed for Christ to convict him again..I mean I prayed for 10 or more years. my prayer was answered and my husband accepted Christ 4 years before he passed away. God knew what was going to happen. I know prayer changes things.
---shira4368 on 12/13/12


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"God's elect is mankind..all mankind." shira4368

Then it would have been meaningless to say God has elected if it included ALL MANKIND.

"I do believe God knows who will reject Him and who will accept Him."

Know or purposed? Let's see, "the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass, I have purposed it, I will also do it." The right word is "purposed", whether you like it or not. That's what God declared.
---christan on 12/13/12


Do you believe that God has an elect (chosen) group of people or is it a person? If you say yes, who is or are the elect?
---trey on 12/12/12
Revelation 17:14 he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and THEY THAT ARE WITH HIM are called, and chosen, and faithful
---francis on 12/13/12


"God has an elect (chosen) group of people"

Yes, by the foreknowledge of God

1st Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Some are appointed to be disobedient!

1st Pet. 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,

8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
---J-marc on 12/13/12


God first called the Jewish people his chosen and elect. Deuteronomy 7:6.
---jan4378 on 12/13/12


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For God hath not given us the spirit of fear, but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God,

Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works,
but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ,
who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

If you say, yes.
Those are the elect.
Peace
---TheSeg on 12/13/12


God's elect is mankind..all mankind. I do believe God knows who will reject Him and who will accept Him. He knew us before we were born. God is all knowing.
---shira4368 on 12/13/12


YES, God has chosen and it's individuals, that's why Paul teaches about the "parts" of the "body". As for who they are, only God knows but He condescended to tell us:

"For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise, and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty, And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

That no flesh should glory in his presence."
1 Corinthians 1:26-29
---christan on 12/12/12


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