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And again, the biggest massacres of all, the killing/abortions of babies (as encouraged/approved by the liberals) don't use guns either.

And the mainstream media don't find these biggest massacres, newsworthy. Hence society has accepted it as ok. Such is the power of influence by the media.

Violence, killing, adultery, divorce, Humanism, godlessness, is what the mainstream media offers society. The media's effectiveness in influencing/controlling thought in society is well known. Most notably are the copy-cat school massacres.
---Haz27 on 12/21/12


ASSULT rifles are only usefull for killing large numbers of inocent people.
They are worthless against law enforement and the US Armed Forces, which is the selling point of the NRA and conservitives who live in fear of their elected officials.

Example: A few years ago, a group of pirates took an american tugboat captain hostage. They were equiped with assaut rifles in hopes that when the government came they would be able to exchange gunfire, prevail and demand a ramson.

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They were gunned down by U S Armed forces


These assault rifles only give a false sense of security against law enforcement and US armed forces. There only use is to kill unarmed, untrained civilians
---francis on 12/21/12


Hi Peter. The point I'm making is that the likes of the liberals are derailing opportunity for effective improvements to be made, and that just for their selfish political gain.

And my point about abortion is just to highlight the hypocrisy/deceit of the liberals in such debates about human life.

And as Cluny mentioned, the worst USA school massacre was at Bath, Michigan where bombs were used. And the Cologne school massacre used a home made flame thrower and lance, mace.
Focusing on laws against just ONE weapon whilst ignoring the more obvious causes is lunacy. But that politics for you.

The mainstream media should be 1st on the list to be regulated, for a safer society.
---Haz27 on 12/21/12


Francis, I'm not sure where you get your information (I'm going to guess by your display of gross ignorance that you stick to MSNBC and other liberal propaghanda networks), but once again you have managed to prove to us all how uneducated, ignorant, and totally clueless you really are. This of course is nothing new though. We are all used to that from you and have come to expect nothing less and nothing more from you.
---Jed on 12/20/12


Did you know the worst school massacre in the USA was in 1927, with 45 children killed? And not a single gun was used!

Look up the Bath, MI school massacre.

Merry Christmas!

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/20/12




Haz: While I understand your anger about abortions, I also feel it is strange that what I would consider 'heavy weapons' are bought so easily.

A revolver, or a shotgun, a rifle, a 9mm, seem OK

But when the gun has the ability if the owner get 'a bit nutty' to kill large numbers of people, it might be better to ask the owner's relatives call him/her when he goes to buy ammunition just to verify to the gun shop owner that he/she is not nuts

I don't think I need more than a shotgun...... OK for hunting, and deadly for a burglar if I'm in my house waiting for him

But if I go nuts, I can't kill more than 2 people
---Peter on 12/20/12


Interesting that the liberals here avoid the fact they support their sides stance for mass killing/abortion of babies. Then they feign concern for human life pleading for laws against ONLY ONE of the many types of weapons available to perpetrators.
BUT the sources of the problem are never considered.

For liberals it's all about political gain. Nothing else matters.

The mainstream media know their culpability in these massacres due to their influence on society, especially mentally unstable perpetrators.
Note they do not publish news of suicides to prevent influencing likely copy-cats Yet the string of copy-cat school massacres they inspired is too profitable a news headline for them to act responsibly over.

---Haz27 on 12/20/12


ASSULT rifles are only usefull for killing large numbers of inocent people.
They are worthless against law enforement and the US Government, which is the selling point of the NRA and conservitives who live in fear of their elected officials.

Example: A few years ago, A group of men in Waco Texas started assasing assault rifles in hopes that when the government came they would be able to exchange gunfire and prevail.

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ATF agents gunned many of them down, the rest were burned in a fire

These assault rifles only give a false sense of security against law enforcement

P.S. If you own any other gun, it is more likely that you will be killed by your spouse, than use it to defend your spouse
---francis on 12/20/12


ASSULT rifles are only usefull for killing large numbers of inocent people.
They are worthless against law enforement and the US Government, which is the selling point of the NRA and conervitives who live in fear of their elected officials.

Example: A few years ago, several men robbed a bank dressed in bulletproof gear, and armed with assault rifles. They believed that if they encounted local police, they would be able to shoot their way out with assault rifles.

WRONG!!!!
Law enforcement gunned them down.

These assault rifles only give a false sense of security against law enforcement

P.S. If you own any other gun, it is more likely that you will be killed by your spouse, than use it to defend your spouse
---francis on 12/20/12


Francis, Yes, we should prevent murders and mass murders if we can. ONLY way to do that is by equiping innocent people with the means to defend themselves. Guns already exist, you'll never change that and you'll never stop bad people from having them.

How ignorant of you to say that guns only serve to kill innocent people! In U.S. only 37 people are killed by the unlawful gun use every day. Nearly 3,000 lives are directly saved through lawful gun use every day, many by civilians with guns. And every single citizen (including you) is protected every day by the fact that civilians possess firearms, which deters criminal attacks. Not one single rape or murder has ever been prevented by calling the police. Civilians with guns have.
---Jed on 12/20/12




\\The assault rifle is a long gun that shoots fast and reloads quickly.\\

Aren't almost ALL rifles "assault rifles" in this sense, atheist?

I'm simply asking, as I don't have firearms.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/20/12


We have the right to keep and bear arms but not assualt rifles and everyone who buys a gun needs to have a backgroubd check run.Criminal record or mental illness.No gun permit.
---shirley on 12/20/12


\\The liberals have shown that if ya murder one person you will go to prison but if ya murder 10-20 or 30 you go for therapy and are released. \\

Gerald Loughner was not released.

Can you give me the name of an actual mass murderer that was given therapy and released?

\\The attitude of our government towards the unborn shows how they will act towards the old folk when they are disarmed.\\

Good point. The "right to die" will soon become the "duty to die" and then "the right to kill the elderly and sick."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/20/12



Nurse Robert said,"The feds defined any firearm with a detachable magazine and at least two other characteristics as an assault weapon......."
When will the liberals realize that this is just an accessory ban. When will they be willing to ban criminals? How about controlling them for a change.
The liberals have shown that if ya murder one person you will go to prison but if ya murder 10-20 or 30 you go for therapy and are released.
Any unarmed society is at the mercy of their government. The attitude of our government towards the unborn shows how they will act towards the old folk when they are disarmed.
An assault weapon is anything someone has been assaulted with!!
---Elder on 12/20/12


Francis. Your simplistic/misleading question is merely to justify your politics.

Guns regularly kill people here as criminals illegally get them. Seems this matters not to you. Your political cause is 1st priority.

Just as you ignore that liberal's lead the way for killing/abortions of babies, you do likewise now on how to deal with other killings. We can hardly take your concern for life as genuine when you justify the liberals on killing babies.

Massacres used various weapons (fire, bombs, guns, flame-throwers, etc).
But irrational concerns about ONLY ONE type of weapon whilst ignoring sources of the problem, the perpetrator, is merely playing politics or an unthinking emotional response.




---Haz27 on 12/20/12


The mainstream media bear much of the responsibility in contributing towards such massacres.

Some years back in the Netherlands a couple killed their children for some twisted reason. The media ran with this story for days as it was a winning headline story for them.
Sadly about a week later another couple likewise killed their children.
The Dutch media then lamented their culpability in this copy cat killing.

The mainstream media is well aware of it's influence in such matters for copy-cats in society. Yet they continue to sensationalize it for their own profit regardless of it's motivating influence on copy-cats.
---Haz27 on 12/20/12


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What this world's people do or don't do is not the big picture.

We need to arm our minds, not allowing this world to decide what we do and how we see things. "Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you." (James 4:7) "Be sober, be vigilant, because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world." (1 Peter 5:8-9) Don't allow Satan's spirit (Ephesians 2:2) to devour us with fear and bitterness and frustration and arguing.

By the way, I read that one mass killer quit and killed himself once he saw an armed man was trying to stop him.
---willie_c: on 12/20/12


--Jed on 12/19/12
What is the rate of massacres in Japan, England, and Australia?

People do understand that there will always be murders. Be it with a knife, or what have you.

But if we can prevent the murder of one person, or massacres of 20 inocent children, should we not take steps to do so?

What purpose do assault rifles serve in the hands of civilians?
The only purpose has been for killing of large number inocent people.

They have never served a single individual in a stand off agaisnt law inforcement.
---francis on 12/20/12


"Your constant support for corrupt liberals whatever they believe (including mass killing/abortions of babies, same gender marriage,etc) confirms this."



---Haz27 on 12/19/12

Gee haz, big boy talk? I've never been impressed with any of your ooze, be it your twisted take on Christians,Christianity or your political views.
I am sure some like you as there are other oozers here besides you.
---Nana on 12/19/12


Francis. Killing with guns happens regularly here in Australia. Gun laws did not stop criminals having guns and using them.
---Haz27 on 12/19/12

MY question is unanswered:

Now, can you tell us how many assault rifle massacres has happened in Australia since Gun control legislation was passed?
---francis on 12/18/12
---francis on 12/19/12


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Francis, you're kidding right? Everyone knows that areas with the most restrictive gun laws have the highest murder rates in the world. And areas with the least restrictive gun laws (like Switzerland and Israel) have almost no violent crime. Just look at U.S. cities like Detroit and Chicago where guns are prohibited completely. The number of murders they experience everyday make the Connecticut school shooting look like nothing.
---Jed on 12/19/12


Francis. Killing with guns happens regularly here in Australia. Gun laws did not stop criminals having guns and using them.

As for the licensed enthusiast shooters it's the same as before gun laws, little to no trouble from them.
Australia never had been a country with regular mass killings with ANY type of weapon.

Your irrational fear of ONLY ONE weapon without regard of the many other methods actually used for mass killings shows your purely politically motivated.
Your constant support for corrupt liberals whatever they believe (including mass killing/abortions of babies, same gender marriage,etc) confirms this.



---Haz27 on 12/19/12


Jed,

I know you don't know how to spell it.---atheist on 12/18/12


While typing fast I missed the letter "a" in "assault". Wow, you got me. But guess what, you still don't know what the heck your talking about.
---Jed on 12/19/12


The feds defined any firearm with a detachable magazine and at least two other characteristics as an assault weapon.

For rifles it include:
Telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Bayonet mount
Grenade launcher
Flash suppressor

For shotguns:
Telescoping stock
Pistol grip
A capacity to hold more than five rounds

For handguns:
Threaded barrels made to attach a barrel extender, handgrip or flash suppressor
A barrel shroud that can be used as a handhold
Weight of at least 50 oz. when unloaded
---NurseRobert on 12/19/12


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Gun control in Australia was introduced through mainstream media and political propaganda/thought control.

Society is then duped into believing foolish band-aids like gun control is needed to stop killings.
---Haz27 on 12/18/12

Well said

Now, can you tell us how many assault rifle massacres has happened in Australia since Gun control legislation was passed?
---francis on 12/18/12


Jed:
Jed, in Connecticut, the defintion under Sec. 53-202a. Assault weapons: Definition: Any selective-fire firearm capable of fully automatic, semiautomatic or burst fire at the option of the user or any of the other following specified semiautomatic firearms: (From here they list about 50 weapons, INCLUDING the Bushmaster. (oh, and the AR15 is also listed).

While the standard bushmaster is a semiautomatic weapon, for $350 bucks, you can buy a bump stock that will make it a legal (according to the ATF) fully automatic weapon.
---NurseRobert on 12/19/12


francis: "Why do we not hear about these mass murders civilian on civilian in other nations where Gun control has been enacted?"

Perhaps because of media supression. There have been many instances of such murders in "gunless" societies. In fact, the more restrictive a country's gun laws, the higher the gun crime rates (e.g., Switzerland's crime rate is one of the lowest, and every household is REQUIRED to have a gun.). That's because only the law abiding obey the laws, and criminals can always find guns, but the populace remains helpless to defend themselves.


---jerry6593 on 12/19/12


Jed,

So you are learning to spell.
---atheist on 12/18/12


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Haha atheist, you continue to display your ignorance. You still haven't accurately described what an "assault weapon" is, as apposed to a "non-assault weapon". It appears you don't actually know what the term "assault rifle" actually means. It appears you think that the term refers to automatic rifles, LOL.
---Jed on 12/18/12


Our founders gave us the right to bear arms for the same reason they did. Revolution. Without arms, the USA would never have become a country. The USA would have only been a local skirmish put down by the British army.

Gun control makes revolution harder and more difficult. If the only people with arms are the state/national military, we will not be a democracy for long.

Revolution for a Christian is a "sticky wicket". While I believe the Scriptures command us to honor authority and be submissive to it, including the government. Many I know think otherwise.
---Mark_Eaton on 12/18/12


Jed,

I know you don't know how to spell it.

Bang bang shoot shoot.

What do you use yours for---constipation?
---atheist on 12/18/12


Exactly what I thought Atheist. You have no idea what an "assult rifle" is.
---Jed on 12/18/12


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FWIW, Adam Lanza did NOT use an assault rifle to commit his crimes.

It was a semi-automatic Bushmaster--and M-16 imitation--that is frequently used for target practice. While it has a metal stock, it can also be fitted with a WOODEN stock to make it look like any other hunting rifle.

Remember--it was his MOTHER (killed with her own weapons) who was the gun enthusiast. Think about it.

I will say what I've said before: The Second Amendment says what it says, but I'm pro-choice about guns. I choose not to have one.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/18/12


Jed,

The assault rifle is a long gun that shoots fast and reloads quickly. It is an effective killing machine. Much more than a fork, knife or slingshot. It even kills small children better than it kills adults. It's use as a hunting rifle is questionable since killing a rabbit or deer with one is hardly considered sportsmanlike, and in the case of the rabbit there won't be much left to eat.

Killing small children with such a weapon is looked down upon, but with 90 rounds in a magazine what else are you suppose to do?
---atheist on 12/18/12


Why do we not hear about these mass murders civilian on civilian in other nations where Gun control has been enacted?
---francis on 12/18/12


Gun control in Australia was introduced through mainstream media and political propaganda/thought control.

The media called it the "gun debate". This debate consists of the politically correct opinion dominating at least 95% of media debate (due to the liberals control of the media) whilst any opposing view only gets 5%.
The liberal media deceitfully claims this is "public debate".

Society is then duped into believing foolish band-aids like gun control is needed to stop killings.
But, it's also duped by liberal dominated media propaganda into believing that the mass killings/abortion of innocent babies is ok too.

This is the liberal led moral decay of society.
---Haz27 on 12/18/12


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Our government kills more innocents in other countries than anyone. Who are they to take away the guns of the people?
---calhoon on 12/18/12


Jed, you are so right with your answers. The only way to stop this things from happening is to lock everyone in a cell, and throw away the key. Because on any given day, anyone can kill anyone with any object or weapon. Basically, it is assumed, people are inherently good. But if we really look to the ultimate standard of goodness, the Holy Character of God, we realize that what appears to be a basic goodness on an earthly level is corrupt to the core. Man is totally depraved but not utterly depraved. Because to be utterly depraved is to be as wicked as one could possibly be. But we are not utterly depraved. So long as there is people there is also sin. God would have to clean house again and begin again, as He did after the flood.
---Mark_V. on 12/18/12


Francis, Do you even know what an assult rifle is? Please tell me?
---Jed on 12/18/12


Here are my proposals,
1: Ban on all asault rifles retroactively: Sales and manufacture in the USA
2: Ban secondary gun markets (gun shows, private sales)

Citizens should be allowed to own regesters guns for self defence, hunting,and recration
nut not assault rifies and armour piercing bullets

the idea that any individaul, or group, can amass arms to fight against the government is silly.
So a second look at the intent fo the second
amendment is needed

the only success against the government has been in courts, never in an armed conflict
---francis on 12/18/12


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Moderaror permit- bro.Jed you right about that! If somebody would have had a weapon ( someone qualified, licensed, etc.) probably, not be the way it turned out. So, many babies & good people, horrible loss.
Every morning I pray for these families. Here it seems in the news it almost every month somewhere this state & all over some child find & take a gun to school!
---ELENA on 12/18/12


Only 37 people are murdered every day by the unlawful use of a firearm.

2,191 people are SAVED every day the lawful use of a firearm.

84,999,989 American gun owners killed no one yesterday.

Since WWII, every multiple person public shooting (except for 1) has occurred in a gun-free zone.

Only an idiot would tell you that taking guns away from innocent people makes them safer from killers. And only a bigger idiot would believe it.
---Jed on 12/18/12


Nana, my position is what I said in my very first post on this thread. Have you read it?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/18/12


"People with Asperger's syndrome (part of the autistic spectrum) are not known for sudden acts of violence."
Cluny on 12/17/12

Actually Cluny, that describes just about anybody. Intelligence have nothing to do with rage and violence.
havent you seen cases of highly intelligent people committting the most horrendous crimes? Besides,
I made no allusion that the woman should have been denied a weapons licence on account of her Asperger's
son. What do you propose? Do you have a position?
---Nana on 12/17/12


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\\Maybe they would have revealed a woman incapable of safeguarding the responsibility of gun ownership in the comunity.\\

It doesn't follow, Nana. Apparently Adam Lanza was a very intelligent (3.6 in college), very shy youth, whose mother had taken him to a shooting range to help him gain confidence.

People with Asperger's syndrome (part of the autistic spectrum) are not known for sudden acts of violence.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/17/12


jerry6593:

Which election do you think was stolen by hired thugs. Perhaps 2000, where Florida democratic voters were disenfranchised, or perhaps 2004, where there were many different things worked to swing Ohio Republican (including the president of Diebold saying he planned to personally hand Ohio to Bush)? Or did you have some other election in mind?
---StrongAxe on 12/17/12


Francis: Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. So checks and balances are needed. Political leaders cannot be trusted, as Jefferson realized.
As for courts, we know how those who can afford it usually win.

The problem is moral decay. Switzerland, with it's many guns has lower murder rates than countries with gun control. It's a healthier society.

Gun control is an emotional knee-jerk reaction that DOES NOT DEAL WITH the problem. People.

It's like applying a band-aid to someone with a headache, saying, "there...it's all better now"

Mass killings also used fire, bombs,cars etc as weapons. Clearly it's better dealing with society's health than the gun control band-aid.


---Haz27 on 12/17/12


Well, we can thank gun control laws for preventing the secretary, the principal, the janitor, the coaches, and the teachers from carrying a gun to school, which would have saved all those innocent lives. We can't however thank gun control laws for preventing the shooter from carrying a gun to school, because they didn't. To the contrary, gun control laws actually assured the shooter that there would be no one to stop him until it was too late. Have you ever noticed that all these shooting sprees always take place in no-carry zones? It couldn't possibly be the fact that gun control laws make all of the innocent sitting ducks. Another fine example of how gun control laws CAUSE mass killings, not prevent them.
---Jed on 12/17/12


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Hello,everybody,In mich.they had already been talk about a new gun law/ people could bear a firearm in schools, church, nearly any public place/ have to have security,no priors for crime, no mental health issues... agree with bro.Cluny, Haz27 & bro.Mark.Got to say even the athiest made a good statement. Thankyou! Bless you all. ELENA
---ELENA on 12/17/12


If the intent of the second amendment is to arm citizens against the US government. That is must be reconsidered

To this date no armed group has ever beaten the US government be it local police, sherrif, or ATF, let alone the USAF, Marines, Navy coast gaurd, and Army conbined

Ask a well armed group called the branch davidians.

If the US government choose to be a tyrannt against it's people, it cannot be stopped, not by all the armed militias and citizens in the US

We have a government that is at peace with it's people, we need to acknowledge that and look again at the second amendment and it's intent
---francis on 12/17/12


"But in any case, what good would background checks or gun control laws have done here?"

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/17/12

Ok, do traffic laws save people or do people following traffic laws save people? It is people but the laws rules and regulations are implemented so that the playing field is leveled and one can speak of and somewhat attain to 'order'.
As a deterrent, Florida implemented the 10-20-Life law (Florida Statute 775.087) proposed by Jeb Bush.
---Nana on 12/17/12


---Haz27 on 12/16/12
There have been many people, both groups, and individuals, who thought that they could amass weapons to defend themselve against the government. they have all bring brought down by Local police,sherrif, and ATF agents.
Thomas Jefferson could n't have invisioned in his wildest dreams our current military strength. There is no military in the world that can stand against the US Armed forces, let alone armed individual or paramilitary groups in the USA

meanwhile, we have had centuries of peaceful leadership transition, and law abiding citizens have found the courts to be the place to challenge the US government not the field of battle.

We do need to take a closer look at the intent of this second amenment
---francis on 12/17/12


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\\My thought is that we should arm everyone that is not a criminal or mentally ill or a minor. If everyone was carrying you wouldn't see these huge shooting sprees.\\

Don't forget that Charles Whitman was a trained Marine, and still went on a shooting spree--in fact the first one in modern times in 1966 (not 1968 as I first posted).

And how do you know that Christianity won't be declared a mental illness and the government comes to get YOUR firearms? All you will do is wind up dead, as Christ said about those who take up the sword.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/17/12


Haz, you are correct. It is not the guns that we should worry about but who is behind the guns. Money is not the problem either, it is the love of money that is wrong. As people we can have things necessary for life that can be good things, but sin destroys anything good in life. People are sinners, and if they are going to kill they will do it anyway. I myself don't have a gun, do not want to have one, do not even think I could shoot anyone. But many feel they are good to protect their families. Its also true that if you have a gun, it could go off accidently and kill a child, but when we drive a car, we could also kill others accidently. Also why should a criminal have a gun and not you? Because they are going to get them if they want.
---Mark_V. on 12/17/12


If all the guns in the entire world were gathered up and melted down it would not stop sin.

In genesis Cain killed Abel but not with a gun. All through the scriptures we read of muder, and killing and war but not about guns.

My thought is that we should arm everyone that is not a criminal or mentally ill or a minor. If everyone was carrying you wouldn't see these huge shooting sprees.

I believe gun control is using both hands!
---trey on 12/17/12


Thomas Jefferson said "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny, when the government fears the people, there is liberty."

But Francis thinks he knows better and says: "It is time to rrealized that in the USA the citizens need not fear the government.....OUR ELECTIONS WORK,"

Francis, your misplaced trust in man's government is foolish. Our elections don't work as politicians and the media deceive/manipulate voters for their own corrupt agendas.

You always blindly obey liberal doctrine regardless of it's evils such as their push for easier abortions/murder of millions of innocent babies.

I suggest you trust in God instead of trusting in corrupt politicians.
---Haz27 on 12/16/12


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\\nothing is going to work unless we put God back in our lives and prayer back in school\\

Would you want a mahometan teacher to make your child face Mecca and say prayers to Allah?

Would you want a Hindu teacher to have your child say prayers to Krishna or Vishnu?

What makes you think that prayer in schools would be Christian ones?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/17/12


Does anyone remember Charles Whitman, the shooter at the University of Texas in 1968?

He was a 25 year old ex-marine who had been taught from childhood how to handle firearms properly.

Nevertheless, he killed his mother, wife, and about 17 people from the clock tower at the U of T, wounding many others.

He himself was shot dead. An autopsy revealed he had a fast growing brain tumor which might really be responsible for his actions.

But in any case, what good would background checks or gun control laws have done here?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/17/12


***************

Francis: "It is time to rrealized that in the USA the citizens need not fear the government."

Rreally??? I fear the US government now more than ever. We are ruled by an opressive dictatorship where elections are stolen by hired thugs and the president incites rioting against law-abiding citizens. If you want a country with gun confiscation, why not move to Iran, Cuba or N. Korea? The US constitution is the ONLY thing protecting We the People from an abusive dictatorship like these. Our Founding Fathers were wise to trust the people and fear governments, and they feared the day when people like you would arise and try to tear down the very institutions that made us great.

*****************
---jerry6593 on 12/17/12


The same situation in here in Canada could happen in the US. We have very strict gun control, where protecting our families can only be done by law enforcement.
There are many cases here where home invaders and robbers were injured by the home owner only to be arrested for assault,and even mansslauter for attacking the intruder!
How do you like them apples???
---1st_cliff on 12/16/12


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francis, I can see you are not for the citizens to have a gun. assault rifles need to be controled but on the other hand anyone can buy a gun on the black market. the whole problem is moral decay and kids run wild. nothing is going to work unless we put God back in our lives and prayer back in school. one of my dear friends use to be bused from his school to attend a campmeeting. can you see that happening today? christians are in the minority now.
---shira4368 on 12/16/12


If these cowards shooting innocent people knew the place where they were going was armed & able to defend themselves, they'd NEVER even try. They'd know they'd not get the chance to do their sorry deeds before getting shot themselves! How is getting rid of guns going to stop this kind of behavior? These children & teachers didn't have guns-not having guns DID NOT protect them & keep them from getting shot!! The criminals are going to keep their guns. Making laws against them is only hindering the law abiding people from protecting themselves. At this time , with all the crazy criminals running around, I say, bring back the Western days where every person can wear a gun on their hip, then watch the shooting become more rare.
---Reba on 12/16/12


Hello, bro.Haz27 make a good point! I.have been also out of USA anf yeah, people kill with what ever they get their hands on machete, broom, bat, car... could go on & on. the Lord did a wonderfull work on me. I try to work things if possible Non- violence not too long ago some.crazy young man was let me know he want have his boys kill me! Why? I stood up for a little girl & said I am not going let you get away with it! He told his gang to kill me. He was a coward. I stood my ground. His boys came & said "man everybody here know that lady! She like our grandma! It is true. Everybody just about know me. That the end of that. He mad. 2 months later he got shot. Now in wheel chair.
---ELENA on 12/16/12


How many of the mothers and fathers of the children who died had guns at home to protect their families?

The second amendment gives citizens the right to have arms to protect themselves against the tyranny of the government

I think it is time to put this to a test. All the american citizens who have guns to protect themseves against the tyranny of the government, verses the US Armed froced.

It is time to rrealized that in the USA the citizens need not fear the government, also that should our government choose to act violently against the citizens, the citiens have no chance at all.

The second amendemnt is useless against the current US armed forces

OUR ELECTIONS WORK, WE MUST RECONSIDER THIS SECOND AMENDMENT
---francis on 12/16/12


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We have gun control in Australia which involves a permit, after a background check, and the registration of guns.

BUT, the criminals still get illegal guns anyway and the armed attacks continue.

Yet when I was in Switzerland some years back I learned that every household has an a gun as part of civil defense, and that without killing each other. Clearly guns are not the problem.

The cries for gun control is just a mindless knee-jerk reaction.
It's people who kill, using weapons such as knives, guns, cars, hammers, poison, explosives, etc.

Society would do better to ban violent movies, computer games and the various other social factors that influence violent attacks.
---Haz27 on 12/16/12


Steven,

The reason only 22 were wounded in China is that knives are inefficient compared to guns. Of course sling shots are even less effective at close range.

But you are right, sometimes I see a raccoon where I live, so I'll buy myself an ak47 for protection.
---atheist on 12/16/12


Christians are not to be pacifists. We are to protect the ones we love. That is our duty.

Armed criminals know where to commit their crimes and murders: places where guns are banned. Chicago, considered today as the most violent city in the world, has banned weapons in the city. When this bill passed, crime rate increased exponentially. Washingto DC the same way. Most of the guns used in crimes were stolen or have come from other countries.

Besides, why stop at guns? Why not ban knives? (Remember the China knife attack a couple of weeks ago that wounded 22 school children?)

Guns are not only used in war, but also to protect and to hunt for food (and, of course, protection from wild animals).
---Steveng on 12/16/12


"So what good would background checks and all the other noise being made lately have done in this case?"

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/15/12

Maybe they would have revealed a woman incapable of safeguarding the responsibility of gun ownership in the comunity.


"No mention is made of background checks, carry permits, assault weapons bans, gun confiscation or the like."
jerry6593 on 12/16/12

Yes jerry, lets let every Jackass get a gun, no questions asked.

I agree with atheist and add that there should be anual re-certification and revocation. That is no different that a law enforcement member which crosses the line and has to surrender his badge and his gun.
---Nana on 12/16/12


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This is very much an important issue. I cried as if they were my own the kids & adults killed in Conn. It really hurts us as a nation. I am going to say yes, you got to protect your children. I have put my life on the line a number of times & yes the lord been.with me everytime.. .I did have a family with all their not really emotional but one thing drove.inmy bring.My mom said" you better be". Lock.up for something with principles. Defend a child.help a child or eldery IF not that no one going. Elena
---ELENA on 12/16/12


"I hope that the Christians on this site would agree with me. The minimum control should be that a background check be required for all gun sales---no exceptions, and that all guns be registered with a a matching ballistic record." Atheist, as a believer, a follower of Christ, I do agree.
"As far as the weapons themselves, if they were made for war they don't belong in the hands of private parties.
Haven't we all had enough?"
I have. However to quote a cliche "Guns do not kill people, people kill people". Guns are simply a method used by cowards. If one has a cause, or a warped desire to kill someone, at least do it man on man, face to face, or if necessary, weapon to weapon.
---joseph on 12/16/12


As a Christian, I feel that the law of the land should be upheld. The law of the land in the USA is its Constitution, which says "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged". No mention is made of background checks, carry permits, assault weapons bans, gun confiscation or the like. When guns are confiscated, tyranny and enslavement ensue.

Guns were not the cause of those children's deaths - it was the sick, Godless mind of one individual that caused it.



---jerry6593 on 12/16/12


I hope that the Christians on this site would agree with me. The minimum control should be that a background check be required for all gun sales---no exceptions, and that all guns be registered with a a matching ballistic record.

As far as the weapons themselves, if they were made for war they don't belong in the hands of private parties.

Haven't we all had enough?
---atheist on 12/15/12


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What do you know about guns?
---Earl on 12/15/12


If my wife and daughter were being mortally threatened, should I just stand by and throw up my hands and say, "O well, Jesus wants me to be non-violent"?

Would God expect me to ignore my deepest anger and fear for their lives, and not act on that natural desire to protect and save?

Would I be willing to suffer His just judgment for saving their lives, even if it meant using a gun in self-defense?

An account will be made for all we do. I do not think defending oneself or others will bring condemnation.
---Phil on 12/15/12


Someone greater than anyone who posts to these blogs said, "Those who take up the gun shall die by the gun," or something very similar.

I'm pro-choice about them. I choose not to have one.

I also realize that the Second Amendment says what it says.

But consider that the suspected assailant in the Conn. shooting FIRST shot his mother with her own firearm, before going to the school to kill children. So what good would background checks and all the other noise being made lately have done in this case?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/15/12


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