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Why Did Adam Disobey

Why did Adam eat of the forbidden fruit? In other words, did God make him to eat of the fruit or did he do it knowingly? By the way, when he did eat did it make all of us sinners or just Adam?

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Christan, please do read these two passages and pray about them.

Deut 30:11-14

Romans 10:6-8
---JackB on 12/26/12


Mark v
You gave a very incomplete definition of free will. I stand by my position.
---pg1 on 12/26/12


I think everyone here is so stuck on this "will" thing. What we have is ONLY the ability to CHOOSE. We either CHOOSE to love GOD or CHOOSE to follow after Satan.END OF DISCUSSION!!!! God does not FORCE us to love Him. Just as Satan does not Force us to follow after him. We have a CHOICE!!!! And each CHOICE comes with a consequence
---Jax on 12/26/12


---Phil on 12/25/12
Here is what sin gave Adam and eve that they lacked:

Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception, in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children, and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Genesis 3:17 And unto Adam he said, cursed is the ground for thy sake, in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life,

Genesis 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee, and thou shalt eat the herb of the field,

Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground, for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Good times!!
---francis on 12/26/12


Chrisitian
I give up.
---pg1 on 12/26/12




pg1, Christan is correct. Only God has a "free will." anything He desires or wills is perfect, His motives and desires are perfect. Man on the other hand does not have "free will." What he desires can be right or wrong. The noun "will" means disposition or inclination. The reason God never mentions that man has a "free will" is because when man chooses he is either right or wrong, and God judges us by our motives and desires. If we had a free will He could not judge us right or wrong.
Fallen man does not have free will because their will is slave to sin. Believers in Christ are not free either, they are slaves to God. The reason God nowhere tells us that man has a free will.
---Mark_V. on 12/26/12


pg.1, you've failed to show Scriptures that explicitly declares, "you have free-will given by God" to obey His commands.

Deuteronomy 28:1,15 shows that there are consequences to one who does not obey God's command. The message and tone is similar to Adam in Genesis 2:17. Adam failed miserably even though he was created sinless. So, what person in the right mind would say that we who are born in sins and trespasses can even perform what Adam couldn't?

All I see in Deuteronomy 28:1,15 is God telling the man "you cannot obey me", so now repent and ask for forgiveness.

As for you, you are saying, "yes, you can obey God", which to me is an act of defiance toward God's declarations.
---christan on 12/25/12


--francis on 12/25/12

God is The Subjector. His intention and will is to create a race of subjector beings in His image.

Adam was a subjector before transgressing.

I would not allow my child to run my business until he or she is experienced, and found faithful in my affairs.

Evil is not sin. Evil in God's hands is not sin [Isa 45:7] Evil has no morality.

Man cannot do good and control evil without sinning.

All must learn, through personal experience, His mind concerning good and evil, and submit to Christ Jesus, as Christ submits to His God.

Sin is man's failures. It is dealt with by His Sacrifice.
---Phil on 12/25/12


Christian
The OT is filled with stories that clearly suggest man has free will. David, Saul, Abraham, The people of Israel chose to engage in idolatry. Deut 28:1,15 is all about choices and free will. Joshua challenged Israel to decide who they would serve. He exercised his free will and chose to serve the Lord. Ruth chose to follow Naomi, Orpah chose not to. Esau chose to give away his birthright. They all made choices and suffered consequences both good and bad for exercising free will.
---pg1 on 12/25/12


pg.1, up to now, none of you "free-willers" have ever produce any passages from the Scriptures that explicitly says, "God has given man the free-will".

Whereas, you've been shown multiple verses that calls your doctrine of "man's free-will" nothing but a lie. By virtue that you claim "man has been given a free-will from God" then Isaiah written declaration is false, "the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass, I have purposed it, I will also do it."

I know what I believe is true because the Scriptures say so. As for your wild imagaination, you have no Scripture to even support your believe.
---christan on 12/25/12




Phil on 12/25/12

I understand what you are saying.

Did adam not know that eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil was wrong?

What Adam had never experienced was sin, and the effects of sin personally.

Now there are no positive effects of sin at all. Sin is not a desireabel experience, and it is not one that Adam nor we need in other to be perfect or complete.

There are several sinful acts that I have never experienced, nor do I desire to experience them. I know that they are wrong, and I am complete without those sinful experience.
---francis on 12/25/12


What exactly was Adam ignorant of:---francis on 12/24/12

Consuming fruit from the
tree of life in kept Adam alive. It is the same tree in Revelations [Re 2:7].

Until disobeying God's command, and harkening to his wife's overtures, Adam did not eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

Like the tree of Life, it made provision for what was lacking in Adam's constitution - the knowledge of good and evil, right and wrong.

Knowledge of right and wrong isn't needed by the animal, who is directed by nature. But for humans, still in the creative process, such is vital for qualifying as His sons and daughters.

Awareness of good and evil was not created in Adam, it was derived through disobedience.
---Phil on 12/25/12


Christian
Christians violate God's commands everyday knowing that there will eventually be consequences. Adam was no different. Sorry you are having such a difficult time with the doctrine of free will. Hope you can resolve it at some point. Say what you will but I am His and He is mine .
---pg1 on 12/25/12


"Adam was created with the ability to think, reason and make choices." pg.1

You're telling me that Adam chose to rather die instead of live, simply question the wisdom of the "free-will" theory. As I have supported my understanding with 1 Peter 1:19,20 that God was ONLY going to glorify His Son, the purpose of God's will was Adam MUST fall - which he did. In this, only Christ is glorified when He came and died for the "sins of His people", fulfilling God's prophesy in Isaiah 53 of the coming Messiah.

When a prophesy is from God, it will ALWAYS come to pass whether you like it or not. In this, God's sovereignty is demonstrated.
---christan on 12/25/12


"God did not create a robot. He created a human with a free will." pg.1

Robot? Can a robot even breathe and eat, produce children, bleed and feel pain? Call it what you will, the man's action is not because of his "free-will" as you like to believe, but Solomon declared, "The king's heart is in the hand of the Lord, as the rivers of water: He turneth it whithersoever He will." Proverbs 21:1

Here's the kicker, the "king or the man" will be held accountable for their actions by God. Like it or not, David simply declares, "But our God is in the heavens: He hath done whatsoever He hath pleased."

If you hate this, He's not your God and you're not His.
---christan on 12/25/12


christen,

1. I said the only TRUE free will. please do not misquote me. if one does God's will, then by extension of grace, man has free will as opposed to 'unfree' will. you know...the wages for sin. will that God has to make a payment that we cannot make, therefore man's will is not free or unfree.

2. i can't figure that one out.

3. i did not say they acted out of free will like you keep trying to pin on me, i said they chose something other than God's will which he freely gave. Gen 3:17 And to Adam he said, "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded..."

Is that not a choice?

4. it is through extrapolation.
---aka on 12/25/12


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Adam was created with the ability to think, reason and make choices. God did not create a robot. He created a human with a free will. There would have been no need for God to lay out restrictions, choices and consequences in the garden if that were not the case. Adam exercised his free will and chose to disobey.
---pg1 on 12/25/12


Aka, the problem you have is that you do not believe the Word of God period. You speak of Calvin, I speak of God who is Sovereign and Ruler of all things. While your god is like the Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons, who stands at the door and knocks and hopes you let him in. Hoping that you might find love in your heart for him. And like the witnesses have the door slam in their face. Your problem is with God not us. Here is the Truth:
" When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, "who then can be saved?"
But Jesus looked at them and said to them, "with men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible"
(Matt. 19:25,26).
---Mark_V. on 12/25/12


christan, i am not judging. i am stating fact. Your example of Paul as a murderer is a good one. they both killed christians. but, when Paul was converted to christianity, he repented and murdered no more. calvin was not alone in "christians" that murdered other 'christians". anabaptists, luther, zwingli, catolics...killing others for personal devotions has been going on since cain and abel. note: calvin's attitudes toward jews were quit different than Paul: Falk, Gerhard. The Jew in Christian Theology,p. 84. Calvin wrote that the Jews "rotten and unbending stiffneckedness deserves that they be oppressed unendingly and without measure or end and that they die in their misery without the pity of anyone."
---aka on 12/24/12


---Phil on 12/24/12

What exactly was Adam ignorant of:
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Genesis 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

Genesis 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him, male and female created he them.

is part of the image of God ignorance or wisdom, freewuill or obedience to God as an animal?
---francis on 12/24/12


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"So You are saying that itwas God's will that Adam should eat and die?" francis

"...the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass, I have purposed it, I will also do it." You can't understand simple and direct English?

"So by your reasoning, God will was that Adam shoudl eat and die, but after Adam ate and a death sentence passed on all men..."

YES. So that this will be fulfilled: "Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things... But with the precious blood of Christ... Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world"
---christan on 12/24/12


phil, you really made my case talking about intelligent design by God. we are gloriously and wonderfully made by God's design. I know I got off the subject but just had to put this one in for athiest. your statement was ready made in support of creation.
---shira4368 on 12/24/12


"...and John Calvin's life is well documented too." aka

So too was the life of Paul who was persecuted and murdered Christians. Your comment of "so is following the teachings of a murderer and inserting himself into scripture where he does not belong" is then applied to Paul or you're practicing double standards, which tells me you're unjust in your judgement.

You the teachings of Calvin but in his latter life he was teaching nothing but God's Sovereignty and Grace through election. His confession of faith in Christ was clear before his death, what he did in killing innocents is unforgivable but you forget, only an Almighty God forgiveness matters, not man.
---christan on 12/24/12


Adam lived by eating the fruits in the Garden [Gn 2:16].

The Tree of Life kept Adam alive, not God's spirit. Adam's will was formed out of necessity, and obedience to the word spoken to him.

Intelligence to obey was given to him at creation. Even the amoeba obeys intelligently by design.

Obedience out of ignorance is servitude. Adam was an ignorant servant at best.

Had he not disobeyed, we all would be nothing more than ignorant animals, surviving from a tree interminably, with God visiting and not indwelling.

Ignorant obedience does not glorify God, nor result in spiritual sons and daughters.

God, in His wisdom, put the tree in the middle of the garden, not the outskirts.
---Phil on 12/24/12


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---christan on 12/24/12

So You are saying that itwas God's will that Adam should eat and die?

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not ...willing that any should perish,

So by your reasoning, God will was that Adam shoudl eat and die, but after Adam ate and a death sentence passed on all men, God new will is that men should not perish

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men,

You version sounds like this:
1st will of God: Adam should live
2nd will of God: Adam should eat and die and death pass on all men
3rd will of God: none should perish
---francis on 12/24/12


i don't know which extreme is sadder...

"i cant live without you."
versus
"i just can't resist you."

A female friend of mine said, "Women are evil...men are stupid."
---aka on 12/24/12


shira: "jerry, I need to inform you that markv is correct"

What? He, like Eve, believes that he is not required to believe God, or to obey His Commandments. But rather, Mark also believes that his own mental gymnastics trump the expressed will of God as spoken and written by Him on Mt. Sinai. If I am wrong, then so is God. If Mark and you are right, then God is wrong. I'm sticking with God.


---jerry6593 on 12/24/12


aka,

1. when you say "the only free will", it means that there can be no other who has a free will but God OR don't use the word "only".

2. your hypocrisy is then exposed in the same sentence when you added, "but there is definitely human".

3. on top of your hypocrisy, you lie about Scripture saying "according to scripture". So, show as where in the scripture does it declare Adam and Eve acted out of their own "free-will". All I saw was he disobeyed God, period.

4. "scripture says that there is a choice between free will and unfree will." WHERE?
---christan on 12/24/12


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"FREE WILL. He did it because he could, because God would not stop him, not that God could not stop him, but that God would Not stop any of his creation from exercise their FREE WILL any time they choose." francis

O wow! The man is more powerful than God. That's really "scary". Somehow what you proclaimed above does not coincide or add up to what is declared in Isaiah 46:10,11

"My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass, I have purposed it, I will also do it."

You've just been called a liar.
---christan on 12/24/12


like so many men, adam was conned by a woman. he just couldn't resist her beauty.
---shira4368 on 12/23/12
Reasonable assumption.
You could say that he knew eve would die, he did not wish to live without eve

very reasonable
---francis on 12/23/12


Gen 3:17 And to Adam he said, "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded you, 'You shall not eat of it,'

the only true free will is God's will, but there is definitely human (according to scripture) will which actually is the opposite of free will.

scripture says that there is a choice between free will and unfree will. that is why God had to make the payment...because in no way can we.
---aka on 12/23/12


So the question is, what compelled him to sin? That he did, we all know that. But why?
---Mark_V. on 12/23/12

FREE WILL
He did it because he could, because God would not stop him, not that God could not stop him, but that God would Not stop any of his creation from exercise their FREE WILL any time they choose
---francis on 12/23/12


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jerry, I need to inform you that markv is correct. like so many men, adam was conned by a woman. he just couldn't resist her beauty. God gave them directions just like He does now and we just don't listen. sin is the problem with the whole world. satan and running to and fro seeking whomever he can devour. satan was doing the same thing in the garden of eden.
---shira4368 on 12/23/12


MarkV: A little louder, please. Your ramblings about your "pocket people" are really getting humorous.


---jerry6593 on 12/23/12


francis, disobeying God is sin. Adam choose to sin, disobey God. He had no sin nature. So the question is, what compelled him to sin? That he did, we all know that. But why?
---Mark_V. on 12/23/12


2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is ... not willing that any should perish,

Genesis 2:17 for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

A reasonable person would then know that it was not the will of God that Adam should die, concluding that it is not the will of God that Adam should eat of the tree

1 Timothy 2:14 Adam was not deceived

Adam made a choice, you are free to speculate on his emotional state at that time, but he excercised his will, which he knew to be contrary to the will of God.

If God's will is always done, Adam would have never eaten of that fruit, and no one would perish in the lakeof fire all would be saved
---francis on 12/23/12


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no one has the right answer why Adam decided to eat of the fruit...After all it's God's plan. ---Mark_V. on 12/19/12


I am sure that the bible tells us:
A: 1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived,
B: Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience
C: Genesis 3:17 Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife,

Adam made a CHOICE, he exercised his FREE WILL to obey his wife and eat, rather than obey God.

Those are the facts
You can speculate as to why he choose to obey his wife, but the facts are that being a creature in the image of God with free will as god has, he made a choice to obey his wife rather than God
---francis on 12/22/12


Adam was human, in the flesh, he was not a spirit. All flesh have carnal minds and all flesh will disobey and sin.

God did not make Adam eat the fruit. Whenever someone sins (breaks Gods holy laws) like lie, cheat, steal, taking Gods name in vain, (etc) they sometimes do these things without thinking, and without consulting God to find strength to overcome. A truly converted person will continue to fall. Adam simply did what all humans do today, he sinned, and all flesh is of sin. Whenever you disobey God you have sinned and all flesh sins. Those who are converted seek God to help us (through the strength of the Lord and his sacrifice) to overcome, just as the Lord did when he was in the flesh.
---Follower_of_Christ on 12/22/12


Jerry, you said,

"jmarc: Good points! Strange how some Christians are always reason their way onto Satan's side in opposition to God"

You are absolutely correct. "People like you who call yourself a Christian, always try to reason their way onto Satan's side when you have no biblical passages to support you view, and take him out of your pocket to serve you in your answers." You could not think of using God's word, so you used him. He was the first person that came into your mind. Not God but satan. Only you and a few others enjoy bringing him out to defend your believes.
You are not the only one who has him in their pockets, a few others here use him to support their views.
---Mark_V. on 12/22/12


//Adam loved Eve more than God. He knew not the love of his Creator. He was ignorant, choosing his wife whom he knew.
---Phil on 12/22/12//

Amen, plus he had his share of unbelief.
---michael_e on 12/22/12


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Except a grain fall to earth and die, it cannot bring forth life.

Our human carcases could never fulfill the plan of God. We get those carcases from progenitor Adam.

Flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of God. His disobedience was necessary. It was God's plan that Adam would disobey.

Adam had no conscience. He merely existed to live. Unaware of Who His maker really was.

Adam did not know good and evil. He was ignorant and innocent at the same time. He was far from a the spiritual being that God will be making of all men.

Adam loved Eve more than God. He knew not the love of his Creator. He was ignorant, choosing his wife whom he knew.
---Phil on 12/22/12


jmarc: Good points! Strange how some Christians are always reason their way onto Satan's side in opposition to God.

God said:

Gen 2:17 .... for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Satan said:

Gen 3:4 ... Ye shall not surely die:

Most Christians agree with Satan - that the dead are not really dead.

God said obey My Commandments, but many Christians say "No! I don't have to 'cause I'm "saved".


---jerry6593 on 12/22/12


J. Marc, I'm not sure why you got into this debate when you do not even know what cause the fall of man. you say,

"MARK V, i know what you are doing! Satan caused the fall of man through the the practice of the dialectic

And then give a whole explanation of Eve. What does Eve have to do with the fall of man? Zero. The fall of man was Adam's disobedience. He never spoke to the serpent. He was never deceived. He sinned because God gave him a choice. If he had no choice, he would never had sinned. He would have remained the way God made him. No one knows what compelled Adam to sin when God gave him a choice, he had no sin nature as we do, many assumptions are made, but Scripture does not give the answer.
---Mark_V. on 12/22/12


"At what point does He make Israel(who he is talking to) Believe" michael_e

"For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed." Romans 9:6,8

Even up till today, multitudes of Jews are going through the broad gate. So don't think the "Israel" that is receiving salvation is of flesh and blood. The "Israel" Paul speaks about are only those born of the Spirit by the will of God.

"Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
---christan on 12/21/12


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"Satan caused the fall of man through the the practice of the dialectic." jmarc

You give too much credit to satan. He's just a created being like you and I, created for a purpose we are told by God. "The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil."

When Job lost everything including his children, did he credit satan for his "misfortune"? His wife told him to curse God and die. And what was his reply to his wife?

"Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips."
---christan on 12/21/12


Elena, I think you might be right that Adam got caught up in the moment. We also know that Eve was deceived by Satan but Adam was not.

1Ti2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Another thought is that Adam saw what Eve had done and decided to do it too fearing that if he didn't he would have been seperated from Eve. I guess we may never really know what went through Adams mind???

Thanks for your thoughts! Hope you have a blessed Christmas!
---trey on 12/21/12


MARK V, i know what you are doing!

Satan caused the fall of man through the the practice of the dialectic.

YOU are doing this MARK V! Eve tells the Serpent that God has commanded that of the tree in the midst of the garden, that they "shall not eat of" it. That is the thesis.

Then Satan offers an opposing opinion (the antithesis)isn't the Word of God, telling Eve about the benefits of eating the forbidden fruit.

Eve joins the two views and there is the synthesis - the fruit is "good food," "pleasant to the eye" and will "make one wise."

Through Adam and Eve's REASONING, God's eternal truth was reasoned away, and the curse of death replaced the gift of eternal life.
---jmarc on 12/21/12


Bro.Trey,in response/ question/ Adam ( this my thought) Adam got "caught up"in the moment,not thinking clearly, remember the serpent said to the woman ' surely, you not going to die'... Genesis3:4,5
he told them..they shall. Know good and evil. I believe Adam possibly well, in the way I learn from that moment Adam passes that sin nature unto all mankind. Actually, it is a good study we need to know the truth concern this.thankyou. ELENA
---ELENA on 12/21/12


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//And He opened their understanding, that they MIGHT comprehend the Scriptures" Luke 24:44,45).
If Jesus did not open their understandings, they would hear but not believe or comprehend that Jesus was the Savior.//

At what point does He make Israel(who he is talking to) Believe
---michael_e on 12/21/12


Adam ate the fruit when he saw that Eve did not die. Im sure she said "the serpent told me I wouldn't die and look I didn't die! Plus Satan said it would make us like Gods to know good and evil, so it must be true". And it did because all of a sudden knew they were naked. But what they didn't understand is that a day with the lord is a thousand years and a thousand years a day, Adam live over 900 years and died before the day was up, likewise so did Eve. Satan sinned first and mixed lies with truth and Eve believed it all and then Adam followed suit. We bear the sin as well because we all come from them originally. God does not tempt us into evil only Satan does that is because he is jealous of God and us because God loves us.
---Jacqueline_Green on 12/21/12


"//Why, of course it's me//
By your own free will?" michael_e


Who wants to know? After all you believe the man has a "free-will" so does it matter to you even when God declared, "...the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass, I have purposed it, I will also do it", that it means anything to you?

After all, you don't believe God is in control of everything. SO why even ask that question? To prove that "free-will" exist? Good try but bad result...
---christan on 12/21/12


michael e, wrong again. The reason they chose to believe in the Lord is because God first had to give them understanding. He had to open their hearts to the Truth, give them ears to hear and eyes to see, otherwise they would never make a choice for Christ. Jesus speaking to the disciples:
"Then He said to them, Those are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me. "And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures" Luke 24:44,45).
If Jesus did not open their understandings, they would hear but not believe or comprehend that Jesus was the Savior.
---Mark_V. on 12/21/12


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//Why, of course it's me//
By your own free will?

Paul says his gospel is based on believing Christ died was buried and rose again. God does not force you to believe. IF you are saved today, it is because you chose to believe Paul's gospel
---michael_e on 12/20/12


"Who MADE you say that?" michael_e

Why, of course it's me. The truth of how stupid the wisdom of "free-will" is and how you can even exalt it is beyond me. That's because you said from your heart, "So he had to choose, and he decided he'd rather eat the forbidden fruit and violate the Word of God than lose her and remain obedient." Which makes the "free-will" doctrine indeed foolish!

"but of course not being a "free-willer" you can do nothing on your own"

"...for without me ye can do nothing" John 15:5

AMEN!
---christan on 12/20/12


//Are you saying in the wisdom of "free-will", Adam rather chose to die than to obey God and live? Honestly? Then you deserve to die.//
---christan on 12/19/12//
Who MADE you say that? God or maybe the devil? Or maybe you thought it up on your own, but of course not being a "free-willer" you can do nothing on your own. Actually
Adam like everyone else, disobeys because of unbelief.
Also YOU and I deserve to die.
We have never done anything in this life to deserve anything else.
---michael_e on 12/20/12


no one has the right answer why Adam decided to eat of the fruit...After all it's God's plan. ---Mark_V. on 12/19/12

seems some do...

if you say that judas was purposed, then you have to say that judas was puposed...

and there is your answer. anything else is speculation and talking to adam about it is focusing on man instead of God. For no other answer should matter. so why ask why?
---aka on 12/19/12


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Bro. Christan, it's so true concerning Adam. He sure blamed God for giving him Eve. Actually saying it was not his fault. In the story of Adam and Eve there is so many things to really look at.
When the serpent said:
"Is it really a fact that God has prohibited you from eating of "all" the trees of the garden" The serpent distorted what God had said. God never told them of all the trees not to eat, but of one. By accepting all of Satan's statements, Eve was calling God a liar, even though she might not have recognized the implications of her actions. She accepted Satan as the truth-teller and God as the prevaricator. Believing Satan was more interested in her welfare than God was.
---Mark_V. on 12/20/12


Beloved brother MarkV in Christ, the account of God calling out to Adam after Eve ate of the tree and gave it to him is sobering and a reminder of how husbands should lead the family in a Godly manner.

Forgive me if I add on to your reply of Adam blaming Eve. There was a far greater issue than that just blaming his wife. Note the tone and message Adam was saying, "The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat."

He accused God who graciously created a helpmate for him, to be the one who caused the problem. Instead of taking full responsibility for loving and protecting his wife from the serpent, he stood by and did nothing. He even participated in the sin of disobedience.
---christan on 12/19/12


"So he had to choose, and he decided he'd rather eat the forbidden fruit and violate the Word of God than lose her and remain obedient." michael_e

The problem with "free-will believers" is they'll cook up anything to justify "free-will". These "free-willers" will say things like "he'd rather eat the forbidden fruit and violate the Word of God". Say what? Do you know that there's a consequence for disobeying God, "for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die"!

Are you saying in the wisdom of "free-will", Adam rather chose to die than to obey God and live? Honestly? Then you deserve to die.
---christan on 12/19/12


cluny, i know you don't believe the Bible, yet this applies to you!

1st Tim. 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness,

4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

This applies to me!

11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things, and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
---jMarc on 12/19/12


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Adam loved his Creator, but he loved his beautiful helpmeet more, and he thought he was about to lose her. So he had to choose, and he decided he'd rather eat the forbidden fruit and violate the Word of God than lose her and remain obedient.
---michael_e on 12/19/12


Christan, great answer you gave when you said,

"First and foremost, with the aid of the Holy Bible, we are told that all things have been purposed and will by the Almighty God for His glory. "the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass, I have purposed it, I will also do it." Plain and simple.

It's also true that Adam said, the woman gave to him and he ate, that was his answer to God. He was blaming Eve for his disobedience, Eve was blaming the serpent. No one wanted to take responsbility after they sinned. But it was all acounted for in the plan of God, and the ultimate purpose was, to bring glory to Himself.
---Mark_V. on 12/19/12


First and foremost, with the aid of the Holy Bible, we are told that all things have been purposed and will by the Almighty God for His glory. "the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass, I have purposed it, I will also do it." Plain and simple.

The Father was only going to glorify His Son Jesus Christ in the salvation of His people. It's been predestined. "For the LORD of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?"

Finally, God withheld His gift of faith and grace on Adam and Eve.
---christan on 12/19/12


"Why did Adam eat of the forbidden fruit?
I'll take Adam's word for it. "The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I ate." Gen 3:12
"did he do it knowingly?" Yes. "Adam was not deceived." 1Ti 2:14
"when he did eat did it make all of us sinners or just Adam?" "Through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all [have] sinned." Rom 5:12
---josef on 12/19/12


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Bro. Trey, no one has the right answer why Adam decided to eat of the fruit. He had no sin nature to compell him to sin like we do. We sin because we have a fallen nature, Adam didn't. He was not forced by God to sin. Adam was not deceived. Eve was. And mankind is fallen because of Adam not because of Eve.
That he would sin, was already in the plan of God before the foundation of the world. After all it's God's plan.
---Mark_V. on 12/19/12


Bro.Cluny your post 12/18/12
You said that so elequent...
It really sounds profound
And yet so true! You got a career in writing? Some day? Smile
..it's just me, ELENA.
---ELENA on 12/18/12


There was no thought of disobedience until it was suggested.

Whomever you obey you come into servitude to. Either to God, or to the devil.

Another kind of reasoning (other than God's) was introduced. The bait was put out and they took it, hook. Line. And sinker.

When Eve and Adam ate from the tree, it changed their nature from pure to contaminated. And since a seed produces after it's own kind.. the sinful nature that Adam and Eve had, was passed on to every person begotten of them.. the entire human race.
---jan4378 on 12/18/12


trey, you line of questioning has been anticipated by the apostle Paul, in which he says, "Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?" And to this he replied,

"Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction..."

Maybe you would like to reconsider your stance... I hope you will but only by the grace of God.
---christan on 12/18/12


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The Bible says that after God made all things "God saw everything that He made, and indeed it was very good." (in Genesis 1:31). It says this after it says God made Adam. So, I would think Adam and his free will are included in all that "was very good" which God made. And I do not think what is "very good" get itself do evil, or agree to do evil, or be fooled into doing evil, or else I'd think it can not be "very good". So, no I don't think Adam's free will that was "very good" was capable . . . on its own . . . of disobeying God, or it would not be "very good".

So, Cluny (c: Is this something that your religion considers to be a heresy? If so, who started it, please?
---willie_c: on 12/18/12


\\7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
---JMarc on 12/18/12\\

We're doing our best not to be partakers of your abominations, JMarc.

We all pray that God will protect us from them.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/18/12


"Why did Adam eat of the forbidden fruit?"

Disobedience!

Rom.5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Eph.5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
---JMarc on 12/18/12


Satan convinced Eve to eat of the Fruit. And Eve, in turn, convinced Adam to eat of it, too. Adam knew it was wrong to eat of it, but, Eve may have exhibited some kind of "enlighted joy" after eating what she took, which may have made her able to convince Adam to do likewise. SOMETHING had to have been appealing about eating the Fruit, or else, why would Adam have given in so readily after GOD warned him to do otherwise? Adam preferred to follow his wife rather than GOD. It happens all the time.
---Gordon on 12/18/12


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FREE WILL
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---francis on 12/18/12


He ate of the fruit because it was good for knowledge and wisdom. Gen 3:6. Eating fruit is not a bad thing. It was a bad thing because God said it was. God wanted Adam and thus us to learn by faith (proverbs says God is wisdom) and through him but Adam decided that he wanted to learn now and by experience.
---Scott1 on 12/18/12


God does not make people sin. WHY Adam ate it doesn't matter at all.

The result is we are born into a world where nothing works right and we cannot save ourselves from its effects.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/18/12


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