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I see my friends go to church weekly but they do the same mistake all the time "lie, blame, etc." I don't get it.

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\\ generic is just another name for a non denominational church in which no one knows what they believe.\\

The so called "non-denominational churches" are actually quite denominational. They may be just a denomination of one congregation, but more likely they will be found to fit into one of the existing denominations.

There is no such thing as a non-denominational church, except for Orthodoxy. But that's because we're pre-denominational.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/25/13


Igoins: "I see my friends go to church weekly but they do the same mistake all the time "lie, blame, etc." I don't get it."


What is there to get? People are people - both in the church and out. But some are occasionally converted - praise the lord.


As for the generic churches, they sound like Unitarians, where truth and error are combined to produce error. Speaking of which, what do you get when you cross a Unitarian with a Jehovah's Witness? Someone who knocks on doors for no particular reason.




---jerry6593 on 12/25/13


I don't know where someone gets a denominational church is of satan. what do you think the denominational churches were before they all became generic. generic is just another name for a non denominational church in which no one knows what they believe. it seems in the last 30 years all non denominational churches poped up all over. now we hardly ever see a denominational church.
---shira4368 on 12/24/13


\\All denominational churches are a creation of Satan.\\

That includes YOUR denominational church, Steveng, so you fall under your own curse.

jamc--Oh, boo the hoo. Disagreeing with you and showing you where you are wrong and what you sound like is neither spiritual abuse or bullying. Grow up!

Christmas Eve gift, everyone!
---Cluny on 12/24/13


To mj, hope got your name right.Respectfully just want to say that very true what you are posting. Some of like the self righteous, like when some say " thank God, I don't have to be like those people" when ever I go to a church.First I am going to hopefully see "jesus" in somebody greeting, maybe the preaching.
Something that let me know " there room here for you Sister ELENA with all your defects... " Room at the cross..
---ELENA on 1/27/13




Hope does not disappoint...there are more hope for people who admit that they are sinners than the person who pretend to be clean.
Remember Jesus came on earth for the lost..for the perishing that they may have life..remember,only God can make a heart overhaul..
---mj on 1/27/13


Hey,Sis.Shira4368, you right again, that whatvI pray all the time with the neighbors I have! I say Jesus help me to love like you love.. I try to be respectfull, and That is the whole thing here, it does not matter how old you are, "drop dead ugly" ha! ha! They be like you for real? I do not have hatred in my heart but it all the guys and they do not belirve you really want to live holy live a clean life, even some church people like that too! No like you say ee going to have challenges, but my faith, hope in God. I am better off this way. God looks out for me. Bless theLord..thanks!
---ELENA on 1/24/13


Elena, you are very sweet. Thanks. As long as we are in this old body we will sin. If anyone thinks they don't sin, they are liars. I have to pray everyday and stay in a constant mode of prayer. I still sin. The hardest thing for me is loving my enemies. God bless sweet lady
---shira4368 on 1/23/13


Hello,family, to Shira4368, you sure said something the truth! always , sis.Shira, never have understood non-denomination churches.Some are like pentacostal or holiness, others are way different make up their own religion, steer clear now.I am more literate bible wise now been on here little over 2 years.
Kind outside this thread but It's getting hard, alot of good churches struggling here, too many breakins.
God hand not short nor is it tied, faith has to be tested & tried.Our Heavenly Father is our source & Lord Jesus our help in times of distress or mountains get in our way he help us make it through! Love of Jesus!
---ELENA on 1/23/13


aka, yes I obey. the bible is very clear concerning order in the church. thanks for you input. I always love reading what others write. we have a diversity of beliefs here and sometimes I can't believe what I read.
---shira4368 on 1/18/13




Steveng, there's no difference in what you say and teach then others who say and teach. They all believe they are guided by the Spirit. The problem with many churches is that their teaching are wrong, and they claim the Spirit guided them just like you. You condemn their teachings and you teach in them. What does that tell you? If I was you I would stop condemning them, and look for ways to help them. There is many sheep in them, isn't it your duty to edify them instead of trying to tear them down? Your teaching are not perfect either. You believe God gave free will to man, that we should observe Saturday Sabbath, and If, not mistaken, you believe there is no eternal hell. That doesn't sound anything like the essentials of the Christian faith.
---Mark_V. on 1/18/13


Mark_V.: "Do you not teach at certain denominations?"

Yes, I teach wherever the Holy Spirit guides me and only teach from the bible especially concerning "one another", "each other", "comfort" and "encorag" unless the Holy Spirit has a certain task for me to perform at that church.

One time, a few years ago, I was guided by the Holy Spirit to a Lutheran church which had a congregation problem. The pastor had to suddenly go away one Sunday a week before Easter and asked me to preside over Sunday services. While the congregation was expecting an Easter sermon, the Holy Spirit guided me to talk about their problem. Not too many people were happy about that, but the seed was planted.
---Steveng on 1/17/13


Follower, nothing you say is true? the uncoverted listen to lies.
Did you read (Gen. 3:15)? God says,
"And I will put enmity between your seed and her Seed, He shall bruise your head and you shall bruise His heel"" Have you not heard of the sheep and the goats? The children of God, and the children of satan? I suppose you haven't since you believe everyone will be saved as you suggest in the passages you gave. Sorry, if you are not born of the Spirit, a sheep, you will be standing at the Great White Throne of Judgment on the left side, where the goats belong. Only those on the right will be saved. So yes, God does not save everyone. He could if He so wanted to but He doesn't.
---Mark_V. on 1/17/13


//you need to contact God since He inspired His Holy Word.//
---shira4368 on 1/14/13

i have contacted God and so have you. as you pointed out, his inspired Holy Word say that women should not speak in church for it is in shame.

do you obey?
---aka on 1/16/13


Mark, No there is one type of person, and all people are composed of flesh and blood.

Interesting doctrine of demons listing conditions as people!!

which verse states there are two kinds of people, seeing you have listed 8?

Pats god must be the same as your god seeing your god is not capable of saving everyone.

The God of holy scripture Elohim, divine creator of all has not saved a few souls, he has taken on the sins of the whole world!!!

1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 Timothy 2:4
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
---Follower_of_Christ on 1/16/13


markv, you are on target again. people of satan can't understand God's Word because it is spiritually decerned. I did ask what the non-denominational churches believe? they are a duke's mixture of doctrine from all denominations and since I don't believe some denominations are truthful with God's Word, I will remain what I am.
---shira4368 on 1/16/13


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Steven G, again you give the credit to satan for creating the denominations, which is false. The sin of man brought false teachings in the visible Church of Christ. Satan does nothing, but stands and watches as sinners without Christ do his desires. He is not making anyone do anything, what the sinner without Christ wants to do is to please their father. Jesus brought this to light when He told the pharisees who said they were Abraham's children,
"Why do you not understand My speech?" Because you are not able to listen to My Word. You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do"....
(John 8:43,44)
Do you not teach at certain denominations?
---Mark_V. on 1/16/13


Follower, there is only two kinds of people, the just and the unjust. The saved and the lost. The godly and the wicked, the child of God, and the child of wrath. In this life physical life no one is without sin. Not a one. Sister Pat put it right. All the name calling of Christians is wrong. Genuine Christians are all children of God. The division was made by God in (Gen. 3:15). There is many tares in the visible church of Christ, but not one tare in the Spiritual Church of Christ. They are all One body in Christ. Not a one is a child murderer or hypocrite. They are all saints before God.
---Mark_V. on 1/15/13


there has been denominational churches throughout history. In the whole scheme of time, non denomanational churches are fairly recent. how do you know doctrine if you are all lumped together? what do non denominational churches believe? I visited one in the past and it was a dukes mixture of belief.
---shira4368 on 1/15/13


MarkV, Steveng, Pat

Yet it sounds similar to you saying "Lord thank you for not making me like other men, ...." A Pharissee Luke 18:11
Don't let pride get in the way of your righteousness.
---Scott1 on 1/15/13


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All denominational churches are a creation of Satan. He has successfully used denominational churches to divide christiandom up into cults each having their own traditions, rituals, ways of living, and interpretations of the bible. They are a detriment to the maturing christian. This can be proven by just walking through any christian bookstore and browsing at all the books from different authors saying in essence that they have the truth - even among the same subject does one find different interpretations: end time events, the rapture, the gospel, the ten commandments, etc. Even these blog posts show the different ideas.

There definately is not any unity among christians.
---Steveng on 1/14/13


Mark all I can write is WOW! what an amazing leap to a wild assumption!! Or do you speculate by reason of you being sinless?

Interesting supposition.

Mark are you suggesting there are no hypocrites? Or are you suggesting murdering of babies is a Christian belief?

Or do you believe everyone who attends their denominational church is part of the vine, when the Lord says he will cut off those branches?

Or do you believe that everyone who claims they had a conversion experience is the Lords, when he says they are not?

Or do you believe that the Lord Jesus Christ lied when he said many would come in his name?

So many unanswered questions you have raised. I'm waiting for your response.
---Follower_of_Christ on 1/14/13


Sis Pat, your answers are right on. I totally agree with your last post, and many should take it to heart.
I believe that is what really bothers so many so call Christians, because it does not bother unbelievers, they do not care about salvation.
---Mark_V. on 1/14/13


Follower, are you sinless? are you suggesting you are without sin? You judge everyone else but have you not seen sin in your own life? Is it possible for you to be perfect? Waiting for your answer.
---Mark_V. on 1/13/13


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There are so many groups out there. Some are unbelieving believers. There are some who are the self-righteous. God calls them the moral man. We have the hypocrites, some are pretty slick. Some not so slick. God's chosen people are few in number, the truly saved, and God has them sprinkled all over this world....Contrary to popular preaching, God has chosen only a few people who will actually make it inside the "gates of heaven".
---pat on 1/12/13



Hypocrites are doing such a number today on true Christians.


anyone can be a hypocrite!

Most of Christianity believes killing is wrong yet abortion (mass killing of innocent babies) is okay because mans laws say abortion is medical procedure. Truth is abortion is genocide slaughtering of innocent babies in womb of its mother. killing of babies as mothers-right-to-choose would make vast majority of self professing Christians hypocrites.

There are sinners, there are converted believers. Yet many claim they follow the Lord as converted believers yet they are unconverted, still sinners led by false ministers that they had a "conversion moment". Lord said many would come in his name, not a few.
---Follower_of_Christ on 1/12/13


Pat, if christians would be a light sitting on a hill, sinners could see us but most christians act like the world. sinners watch our lives and they don't want any part of it. it doesn't surprise that churches are closing everyday. the churches who are thriving are the big non denomitational churchs. they are drawing big crowds. I looked for a long time trying to find an old fashion church. I finally found one thank God.
---shira4368 on 1/12/13


Hypocrites are doing such a number today on true Christians and the only true religion, Christianity. It sickens me...Hypocrites way out number the trues.
---pat on 1/12/13


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Sis. Elena, thanks for your answer. You are special and so are a few others here on line. You have mentioned to us what you have gone through and many of your experiences. I'm sorry you have to go through so much. But very happy you know the Lord and He helps you get through your problems. You Trish, Mary, Shira, Darline and a few others have gone through a whole lot. I'm also glad all of you talk and encourage each other. You and the others are always in my prayers. If you hear from Darline, please let us know, she is my prayer warrior. The Lord keep blessing all of you, and helping all of you, peace I leave you sister.
---Mark_V. on 1/10/13


//---ELENA on 1/9/13//
Another Amen,Sister,

//I knew you had the pure heart and eyes to see the truth.

God bless you.//
---char on 1/9/13


Elena,
For the record, I know you have a lot on your plate, and I believe Gods hand is on you. I am thank-full He uses you to speak. -I apologize but I trust you completely understand-Again I say - Amen - and stand by you Exactly as I have before.

I believe you understand that to be for all the right reasons they are for.

God bless you sister,

Shalom
---char on 1/9/13


Hello,bro.Mark, thanks for your response..no hard feelings.like I said before it has been a long process where I can say I realize just like there are all type of people out in society. life goes on..because of this illness, sometimes I am exhausted. Jesus loves you a reality though here could be people who are repentant of things such as we mention ..pray they be encouraged and go to. Their parole officers, be truthfull, I believe God has all kind of people who are renewed and saved by the blood of Jesus! I came from a bad home life tossed from here and there.However, God reached out to me through a loving grandmother a miracle! You have a foundation..be blessed.peace I leave you. Love of Jesus! ELENA
---ELENA on 1/9/13


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Sis. Elena, I wanted to make sure you understood my answer on the blog "praying for our enemies"
I was not speaking about you or indicating you do not care for the little children. The two opposers were the ones that never spoke on behalf of the love for the innocent children, only that it was wrong to not love the child murderers. And that I was wrong for not loving them. It had nothing whatsoever to do with you. I wanted to make that clear.
I'm sorry I cannot love those who molest, rape and murder innocent little children. If that makes me a bad person before your eyes, that is ok. Everyone is intitle to their own opinion. peace I leave you.
---Mark_V. on 1/9/13


Wow that's scary Elena! You've been through soooo much, am praying God blesses the socks off you in Heaven for all you've been through on earth. God bless you, love and hugs, Mary
---Mary on 1/7/13


wow, elena, that is jaw dropping but I can see the U.S. coming to that when enough muslims get entrenched in our country. our country wasn't founded on ala and chopping off heads. their goal is to kill christians. it is in their koran. the muslim man in texas shot both his daughters because they were becoming to westernized. well, let me ask what in the heck was he doing here?
---shira4368 on 1/5/13


Shira4368, good see you on here.Believe it I know of a certain religion they have metal detectors & search every person before you can sit down at the service. Maybe that what churches need for extra security. It works far as that part goes but I do not care for that sect.
They also background checks every person who visits. It' true. They Not christians
..
---ELENA on 1/4/13


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Christians sin all the time only a lil less than others, it is only when you are persuaded by what you learn about Christ and how to obey that eventually what you used to do prior to been saved, through the comforter and the guidance of the pastor or teachers will you gain from their teachings and recite the word you study in your heat. Then you begin to drop most of the wrong you used to do.

However, without the suggested, you can ignore the advice and continue in sin.


Christ died in the flesh but is now a risen most have already have learnt that and also serve him...
---Carla on 1/4/13


Hello,Mary? Is this my best buddy Mary from outwest? Bless your heart, actually, years ago
I 'd say huh? Now after ALMOST physically assaulted in a church.
my gran' she raise me to respect the Lords house.They just let go when I said " I am going to tell the pastor!" They let me go! yes! I told the pastor!
He believed me, but later in the session( closed) supt.leaders he denied any knowledge of his "Relative" put hands on/ attempt.to assault me. I left there. I had witnesses, 2 people & another woman told me they did the same to her, she was ashamed & let them. They let me go before too far Eventually, it came.out..others broke silence. kicked out the A.O.G.
---ELENA on 1/4/13


mary, I can relate and we know it could happen anytime. infedels are everywhere and they hate God and they hate God's people. we have men in our church who are ready for them everytime we meet.
---shira4368 on 1/4/13


Hi everyone, this might sound totally off-the-wall but anymore when I see someone new in church, I have to fight off the feeling they are there to blow us away! So many shootings and I'm naturally paranoid--ugh! I just have to remember they're there by God's grace, not to kill us! But it's not easy.
---Mary on 1/4/13


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wivv, I have heard that saying many times but the truth is church is where christians are gathered together and are fed. it is true we need to get sinners to church to hear the gospel. Romans 10:14...How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? vs 15..and how shall they preach except they be sent? as it is written, how beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace and bring glad tidings of good things.
---shira4368 on 1/3/13


igoins, people aren't perfect. some people struggle with the flesh more than others. pray they will get under conviction and be saved. many go to church that aren't saved. we have some in my church too. God bless
---shira4368 on 1/3/13


A church is a "hospital for sinners, not a hotel for saints", so I've been told. If your friends keep making the same mistakes, maybe they are taking their "spiritual medicine" or receiving it. Maybe you should set an example for them to see.
---wivv on 1/2/13


\\God can deliver them and raise them up.\\

And God can deliver you from your pride and judgementalism, Igoins.

One of the ancient Chritians said, "You say you have seen your brother's sin, but have you seen his repentance?"

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/27/12


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Igoins: Do you pray for these friends of yours? God can deliver them and raise them up. Kindly check Gal.6:1 & use the grace & investment God has granted you to influence your friends to become better.
---Adetunji on 12/27/12


Thankyou,Shira4368 because thd word speaks about pride goeth before a fall.Their whole church is mostly their family & they sooner or later if you not in the cliche you will not fit! Not two weeks ago ran into a lady they had her fill her head with "junk!" And she believed it! She spoke to me. Told me you was right
It was mostly family, the pastor wife really insecure, do not trust nobody NOT family go there.I am a single. Female.They been married over 30 years.
---ELENA on 12/26/12


elena, what a shame that a supposedly man of God can treat anyone like an outcast. I don't care if she weighed 300lbs, she needs Christ in her life. you are right, she didn't fit in that church so she needs to go to a real church where everyone is loved.
---shira4368 on 12/25/12


Hello,Shira4368, you reminded me I went 1 time to a big church supper/ preaching great but, when we got downstairs I was so, shock to see how they treat this lady & her husband. She was young very heavy set, and they both seem like must been homeless, dirty,smelly but I went over to her & we chat like we was old friends & the ladies from the church say " we don't see how can you stand sitting next to her?" You not going fit in here. I told her she is a human being & God see you all with your little " chique' we are ti love one another.
She was right I didn't stay long because I don't go to be in the clique & the whole bunch was like that, except the pastor & his wife so jealous! I left.
---ELENA on 12/25/12


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"I believe Paul addressed that issue in one of the Epistles.
---Trish on 12/24/12"

Is this what you are referencing: "we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one."
1 Cor 8:4, 1 Cor 8 all
---chria9396 on 12/25/12


J. Marc, you never answered with Scripture why it was wrong to celebrate the birth of Christ. Not one passage. And you accuse all those who celebrate and rejoice in the Coming Messiah. That is what you have been doing. You also make a Law, as if you were God, that does not exist. What you are actually doing is saying that the pagan and heathen gods have priority over the Messiah, because its their day, and that by us celebrating Jesus Christ Coming, we are actually worshipping their gods. Which is far from the Truth. How many days do the pagans and heathen worship? They must have everyday. So we should stop celebrating the birth of Christ because they have every day? shear nonsense.
---Mark_V. on 12/25/12


actually church is the best place for a sinner. especially if they hear the Word of God. when we have a visitor I invite them to sit with me or I sit with them. my pastor thought I knew them and in fact had never seen them. since we don't try to outdress each other, most visitors feel comfortable. if a dirty homeless man came in I would go sit with him or invite him to sit with me.
---shira4368 on 12/24/12


I've stayed out of this discussion, because it seemed like a never ending battle. However, while Jmark may have never used the exact words Cluny used, I interpreted what he prayed as a put down of those of us who celebrate Christmas. I see this whole discussion as one of those who choose to eat meat sacrificed to idols being criticized by those who don't. I believe Paul addressed that issue in one of the Epistles.
---Trish on 12/24/12


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\\I read the prayer jmarc wrote and it does not say that he thanks God he is not like other people. \\

This is a paraphrase of what JMarc clearly means. He's making a pitiful attempt to claim moral high ground by
a. not observing Christmas
b. trying to play the victim card after attacking others here saying their churches are all apostate.

**This is my last blog to you**

Is that a promise, JMarc? Repentance, btw, is a lifestyle, not a once for all event.

Happy Humbug to JMarc and others.

Merry Christmas to Christians.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/24/12


Cluny, you said --I realize that you have NEVER abused people here with your "God, I thank Thee that I'm not like people who observe Christmas" prayers or by saying that their fellowships/churches/congregations were apostate.-- I read the prayer jmarc wrote and it does not say that he thanks God he is not like other people. You are sounding just like MarkV in putting words in other people's mouths. I got away from Chrismas too, and have been blessed immensely since. I no longer have the stress and frustration I had while observing Christmas.
---cher01 on 12/24/12


cuny, you blogged,that i said,"God, I thank Thee that I'm not like people who observe Christmas" prayers" That is a lie, i never said that. You twist what i say and say i said things i never said. You are using techniques other bullies used on me. You are showing yourself to be abusive and unreasonable. I knock the dust off my feet. All i ever did on this site was back the things i said with scripture.
Whether or not the blind can see the truths i've given is entirely up to God. I have fulfilled the commission Almighty Yahweh gave to me in exposing the techniques and lies of you and others on this site and exposed the apostacy that is in all the churches.
This is my last blog to you. I hope you repent before you die.
---jmarc on 12/24/12


\\May The LORD REBUKE YOU!\\

And may the Lord Jesus save YOU and deliver you.

And I realize that you have NEVER abused people here with your "God, I thank Thee that I'm not like people who observe Christmas" prayers or by saying that their fellowships/churches/congregations were apostate.

Am I correct?

Happy Humbug, JMarc.

Merry Christmas to Christians!

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/23/12


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Hello,Shira4368 my sister you exactly right. I told them the brother who really such gifted person to get all ages, races, talent together & the devil got mad ( city somehow claim/ gave over to insur.) Anyway sent him messages if there any way they have services near & . daytime I see good sure would love to go. I love your attitude.we could have a good time praising Him. I know alot of old songs. Blood songs, it one that is so precious " They found Him guilty.in the 1st Degree. All JESUS DiD Came to Love, Heal & Forgive!"

I am praying find me a cheap small acoustic guitar..going to play that song! had one but gave it to little boy round the corner.he got it natural, too. He looked so happy!
---ELENA on 12/23/12


follower, to whom were you addressing your last comment? I really would like to know because you are all over much space with your comments and they don't even make sense.
---shira4368 on 12/23/12


Cluny,

i endured these exact verbal abuses from those fallen churches and later my family and the doctors. So your attacks on me are not new.

You have written these things to me without scriptural evidence:

"You are spiritually deluded, paranoid, narcissistic, or all three.
Not spiritual,
your blogs are dung,
your name is Judas,
you have the mark of the beast,
you misapply scripture,
a pharisee,
a publican,
not on the spiritual level of Nehemiah, Paul, and Job"

This amounts to spiritual and emotional abuse no matter what you may say. This is proof positive same spirit of disobedience is manifesting
in the churches through people like you.

May The LORD REBUKE YOU!
---jmarc on 12/23/12


\\he ecclesia of God is spiritual, not visible to the eyes.\\

WRONG.

The first covenant people, Israel after the flesh, was quite visible to the eyes.

Jesus in His human nature after the Incarnation was very visible to human eyes.

His Body on Earth, the Church, is also visible to human eyes.

Try again. NOWHERE does the Bible say the Church is invisible to human eyes.

Merry Christmas.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/23/12


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All in all, the word AND CONCEPT of "love" has been so fully distorted and TAUGHT WRONG.

it sure has and ironically your post fully proved it!!

Truth by Gods Word love is through Gods Holy just perfect laws by honoring parents, *not* lying stealing murdering coveting or commit adultery. Living through these encompasses all love. Talking about having love while ignoring Gods laws on love is empty. When you fulfill Gods laws you have loved. Further, those who sin may not be converted professing an empty love toward them is your own self-interest and attempting to work out their salvation which is against holy scripture.
---Follower_of_Christ on 12/23/12


no one is perfect...not even people who are saved. everyone gets in the flesh sometimes. my sister refused to go with me to church because it was full of hypocrits. well, that bunch don't keep me from going. that was just an excuse not to go to God's house. if you find one perfect soul, let me know.
---shira4368 on 12/22/12


Follower of Christ, you not only have the uncommon understanding that we were never called upon to change the other person, you mention "Father" (living water sentiment caring is worship). Our worship is to sit and hear the bridegroom say..."my sister, my bride!" (Song of Songs 4:10).

All in all, the word AND CONCEPT of "love" has been so fully distorted and TAUGHT WRONG. Our responsibility ('divine love') is to have REGARD FOR others (love) ONLY as much as we ourselves are 'infatuated with' and kiss ourselves. Since I'm not infatuated with myself, I will have only enough regard/love for others that does not exceed MY COUNTENANCE (self-respect/happiness/mood).
---more_excellent_way on 12/22/12


You don't have to get why other people sin, or continue to commit the same sin over and over because we are not called by the Father to change other people like false Christians do today, we are called to obey, and work out our own salvation. You cannot obey for someone else and you cannot live someone's life for them. Those who are living for Christ today are being judged today and seek to turn away from their former life of sin knowing conversion is a process not a one-time event. those who are not living for Christ (only have his name on their lips) either not called or falsely led to believe they are Christian will be judged at the white throne judgement.
---Follower_of_Christ on 12/22/12


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There is only one Church, the Body of Christ, with Christ as the head. There is only one way into this Church, by following the leading of our apostle Paul as he followed Christ, through his revealed gospel, simply believing in the death, burial and resurrection(1Cor. 15:1-4)
---michael_e on 12/22/12


The ecclesia of God is spiritual, not visible to the eyes. You are in a sect, no doubt.

There is no reason to expect sectarian people to behave according to Spirit.

The majority of so-called "Churches" are divisions and sects that have departed from Paul's doctrines. They are therefore apostates.

In such an environment, expect to find many contradictions and hypocrisies, for that is the foundation of the modern church.

The Lord knows who are His, and He is faithful to keep them unto the day of the Lord.

It is perilous and dangerous times for believers. Only those who have committed themselves to worshiping in spirit and truth will rise above the falsehoods and deceptions that abound.
---Phil on 12/22/12


\\Comfort for the BULLIED by church people.\\

JMarc, nobody is bullying you.

You are spiritually deluded, parnoid, narcissistic, or all three.

On the other hand, you persecute Christians here with you "God, I thank thee that I am not like other men who observe Christmas" imitation prayers.

Merry Christmas--or Happy Humbug, as it may be.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/22/12


Hello,guess this is for me to realize something myself.Remember when I first found out again with cancer got tell you I was so angry.
Angry with myself, my mom, my friends( who all left me) nobody likes to face sick folks, too much. Now I am getting a hard time get my program together. The guy to help me get my photos and help me get things together for helping the aids foundation. Believe it or not their spreading lies that I am crazy or stupid.Well I told him, this really serious to help people.He hung the fon up on me.I told him the lord gave me this gift FREE and I am going KEEP my promise to God. Every penny or what ever will go to help sick people. Had to get this off my mind.these are christians say I am crazy.
---ELENA on 12/21/12


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Igoins, you are correct. Christianity for many is something they do on Sunday mornings, or Saturdays, or Wednesday night. Our Christian walk should be 24/7. Our actions alone should tell others we are Christian.

BTW, here are two verses for you:
Ac11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
The word disciple means student.

Mt23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

A hypocrite is an actor.
---trey on 12/21/12



Comfort for the BULLIED by church people.

2 Thes.4:2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.

1 Cor.:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
---jmarc on 12/21/12


"YOU" are a part/section/piece of the church temple (you are the INNER temple)...1 Corinthians 3:16 "Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you?

1 Corinthians 6:19 "Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, which you have from God?".
(...why do I say ETERNAL Holy Spirit?)...Hebrews 9:14 "ETERNAL spirit".

Jesus is the worship temple (the OUTER TEMPLE). Our worship is to be SPIRITUAL, NOT PHYSICAL using buildings (John 2:21 "He was speaking of the temple of His BODY")...WE are the INNER temple. People "GO TO" so called 'church temple' because they are not PART OF the real "church temple".
---more_excellent_way on 12/21/12


Igoins, "...The Scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: All, therefore, whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do, but, do not ye after their works: for, they say and do not." MATTHEW 23:2b-3.
---Gordon on 12/21/12


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Revelation 12:17 the remnant .. keep the commandments of God, AND have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, AND the faith of Jesus.

1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but (what is important is) the keeping of the commandments of God.

Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man.
---francis on 12/21/12


lgoins going to church has nothing to do with righteousness.
"But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! Having been set free from sin, [the true believer] became slaves of righteousness. For the believer is the Fathers servant, choosing to rely upon and follow His Spirit." Rom 3:22,28 >Rom 6:15,18
---joseph on 12/21/12


You, of course, are a paragon of moral perfection. Just think about how much nastier your friends might be if they DID NOT go to church.

There's a saying. The church is not a resort for saints, but a hospital for sinners.

There's another one: No matter how crowded the church is with hypocrites, there's always room for one more!

Even YOU!

Merry Christmas!

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/21/12


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