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Are Tongues For Today

Is tongues for today, or was that only for the Apostolic Church? Give Scripture.

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Tongues is not divisive from my point of view. However, from those who do "speak in tongues" it appears divisive against those who don't, which tends to cause those who don't to be defensive against those who do.

My observation is that those who do have as many problems as those who don't, but it seems those who do feel the need to project a more "successful" life because they do, even if they don't have a more "successful" life. :)
---Rod4Him on 1/23/13


RitaH, unbelievers have no desire to become Christian, no matter the subject. They don't want to know anything about God, or His laws. They love been separated from God. They believe they have free will to do what they want, but in reality, they are blind to the fact that they are slaves to sin and don't even know it.

"As it is written, there is none righteous, no, not one, there is none who understands, "there is none who seeks after God," (Rom. 3:10,11).
---Mark_V. on 1/24/13


I don't speak in tongues and don't wish to be part of any argument about the subject.

All I wish to add is that this subject has become very divisive. We will never all agree on all topics and obviously if we disagree it means that some of us are right and some wrong and this applied to other subjects also.

Arguing and name calling cannot possibly be what God wants and it certainly does not give Him any Glory - in fact it must put some people off ever desiring to become a Christian.
---Rita_H on 1/23/13


RitaH, I totally agree, it divides within Christianity. When I first asked the question of tongues to two different people, both came unclued. I didn't realize how important tongues was for so many that even when you had a question on it, it brought the worse out of the person you were asking. Something I had never seen before. It is a gift that many take very personal. I had never experience that sort of thing. I went through that persecution early in my walk with the Lord because I asked questions. I didn't understand why they got so mad, but I do now.
I posted the question because what is spoken today is (tongue) singular, which is no language at all, but gibberish, what the Corinthians were doing for show boating in front of people.
---Mark_V. on 1/23/13


I don't speak in tongues and don't wish to be part of any argument about the subject.

All I wish to add is that this subject has become very divisive. We will never all agree on all topics and obviously if we disagree it means that some of us are right and some wrong and this applied to other subjects also.

Arguing and name calling cannot possibly be what God wants and it certainly does not give Him any Glory - in fact it must put some people off ever desiring to become a Christian.
---Rita_H on 1/23/13




shira it was not a good question. You know the reason for all the baptist sects is they don't agree, don't you?
---michael_e on 1/23/13


What is it about "tongues" that many times divide believers?

Here's an observation, often it appears that those who "speak in tongues" also get some kind of pride with it. They sometimes act like anything they say is from God because they have the gift of "knowledge and the Holy Spirit" and the tongues prove it, so they can tell people what is what because they "have" the Spirit of God. Granted many others do this also, but it is usually based on intellectual knowledge.

I don't mean to categorize that "all" are that way. I have some friends who say they "have the proof of the Holy Spirit." One friend says he has been to heaven...I just don't get into that discussion.
---Rod4Him on 1/23/13


Michael, it was not a good question. I am an independent Baptist from the inside out. now what else do you need to know? we believe God is God, Son is God and Holy Spirit is God. I will tell you anything you want to know about my faith. you can bet it is biblical.
---shira4368 on 1/22/13


Tongues is for all time! In Acts Luke writes the response is how can we hear them in our own tongue? Unknown tongues do not exist! 1st Cor. 14:10 Paul says none of the tongues are without meaning. 14:22 Tongues is for the non-believer!
---Grady on 1/22/13


Phil,
You call it excomunicating, we Primitive Baptist call it exclusion. We occasionally exclude a member of the church after the church pastor and deacons and sometimes members have visited with the individual and tried to persuade them to repent of a worldly lifestyle. When all other avenues have been exhausted, and the person refuses to repent we "exclude" the person from our membership. It should only be done as a last resort, and it should be done with as much love and compassion as possible.

See: 1 Cor 5:1-12 The man is exclude for fornication.
See: 2 Cor 2:7 The man has repented, is forgiven and restored.

Just as with the prodigal son repentance should bring about celebration.
---trey on 1/22/13




//Michaels, you ask dumb questions because you don't know what Baptist believe//
I thought it was a very good question, but apparently like most "baptists" all they know is a parts of the doctrine their particular sect teaches. Are you southern, primitive, free will, etc etc?
If you don't know what your sect teaches, just say so.
---michael_e on 1/22/13


Michaels, you ask dumb questions because you don't know what Baptist believe. Just read the bible and you will know.
---shira4368 on 1/22/13


// I am baptist//
Just curious what is baptist?
Is it like John the baptist, because he was a baptizer?
---michael_e on 1/22/13


phil, a cult is following man...
phil, please read 2nd thessalonians 3:6.
--shira4368 on 1/22/13

Your understanding of cult is flawed. Perhaps sectarian zealotry is the root. Your definition is uncommon and is spawned from religious reasonings.

Paul established those traditions [G3862 paradosis transmission, i.e. (concretely) a precept.

Christendom, Baptists included, has departed from those traditions, and fallen from grace. None fully follow Paul as he followed Christ. None hold on to the Head, which is Christ.

Good, sincere, lovely believers, such as yourself, are members of the sects. This does not make the denominational schisms less apostate.
---Phil on 1/22/13


phil, a cult is following man. I am baptist and what you said about excommunicating people is wrong. there are many cults today in the world where one person is worshiped and the followers are brainwashed. faith is not a cult.
---shira4368 on 1/22/13


phil, please read 2nd thessalonians 3:6....now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
---shira4368 on 1/22/13


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--shira4368 on 1/20/13

"A Cult is the totality of external religious practice and observance, the neglect of which is the definition of impiety."

The various Christian sects have established ordinances for fellowship. Violations of these can result in excommunication or "shunning" of the "impious". Baptists have such ordinances.

No group follows Paul's teaching as he demanded. Most follow kingdom theology, "heaven on earth", and deny the celestial calling that is upon the body of Christ.

This is what scripture defines as apostasy [G646 apostasia].

It is this departure from Paul's doctrines that determines a cult, and all suffer some degree of apostasy.
---Phil on 1/21/13


Phil: //No matter the sincerity and devoutness, the gifts are no longer for today.1/16/13 // I beg to disagree with you, gifts are still been given by the Lord to those who deserve to use them.
---Adetunji on 1/21/13


phil, do you think God is pleased with you calling His church a cult? will you describe what your perception of a cult is please. I am baptist and my church is not a cult. I know what a cult is.
---shira4368 on 1/20/13


I beg you to get out now. there is no example of man cutting himself in the bible unless they are demon possessed.
---shira4368 on 1/19/13

I am sorry you read into my response what is not there, that I am a member of this group. I assure you I am not.

I was pointing out an historical occaision, not a present circumstance.

I find all sects, Baptist, Pentecostal, Catholic, etc, as being definable as cults.
---Phil on 1/20/13


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1 Corinthians 14:19
"But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue." The "appearances" of tongues are easy. Any one can do it. In old movies, they used to do it all the time. Pretend to speak another language. There is nothing difficult to it. Granted it is babbling. Who is to distinguish? Half the pentecostal churches no more have it. It is part of their doctrine, but you don't hear it in worship. That is the extent of it's worth. People just find it a show.
---bike on 1/20/13


phil, men aren't suppose to cut themselves. the demon possessed man was cutting himself in the new testiment. can't remember what book and verse. God shed His blood for our sin so we could be saved from eternal damnation. If I were you I would get out of that cult....and it is a cult. I beg you to get out now. there is no example of man cutting himself in the bible unless they are demon possessed.
---shira4368 on 1/19/13


---shira4368 on 1/18/13

When the Lord started "turning up the heat" against my resisting His advances, I was intrigued by a group called the "Hebrew Christians". I attempted to locate their building, which was will known by the locals, but got lost each time, always failing to find it.

Their teachings included the shedding of blood for the remission of sin as a requirement, and each member once a month cut themselves slightly to induce bleeding.

I later realized God's mercy in keeping me lost.
---Phil on 1/19/13


phil, there are places in the united states that have churches that handle snakes. I've heard about them but I can tell you God give me more sense than to pick up a snake. the verse speaks of the power of God and being "sold out" for Him. no one sells all their goods either. God don't want us to put blood on the door post either...it is a type of the blood Jesus shed for us. where the blood is applied, we are saved.
---shira4368 on 1/18/13


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mark 16:17
---shira4368 on 1/17/13

"Now these signs shall fully follow in those who believe"

The Lord did not separate these manifestations into parts.

He said these signs "SHALL FULLY FOLLOW."

All-in-one deal, nothing separated.

"In My name they shall be casting out demons, they will be speaking in new languages,"

"they will be picking up serpents,"

"if they should be drinking anything deadly, it should under no circumstances be harming them,"

they will be placing hands on those who are ailing, and ideally will they be having it."

No one, since Israel's defection, has done this.
---Phil on 1/18/13


phil, mark 16:17 speaks of new tongues and that simply means when we are saved, we talk differently. also on the day of pentecost, people spoke in their own language and everyone understood. romans 3:13 a reference is made about tongues...lying tongues. tongues is reference to preaching, lying and the way we talk after we have been saved.
---shira4368 on 1/17/13


The manifestation of "tongues" was to herald the coming King and the Kingdom.

They are the evidences and proofs of those whom the Lord has chosen to announce His coming and presence.

All the spiritual gifts will again accompany the Jewish remnant just prior to the Lord's return to earth.

They are not operating today, as Israel has defected and the Kingdom on earth has been postponed until the body of Christ among the nations is completed and removed.

Throughout the centuries, charlatans and profit seekers have sought to certify the gifts as obtainable. Satan has no problem counterfeiting the gifts.

No matter the sincerity and devoutness, the gifts are no longer for today.
---Phil on 1/16/13


If tongues are for a sign to the unbelievers, why was it being practiced in the church? It needed to be practiced outside in the world where it could be used effectively. The same is true today. If you want to hear people speak in tongues, you have to go to their worship services. I have had Mormons, Church of Christ, Baptists, Jehovahs Witnesses come to my door and talk to me, but I have never had a Pentecostal come to my door and speak to me in tongues. Why?

Today it is gibberish and means nothing. It is of the flesh.

There is nothing spiritual about it,The purpose of tongues was to reach lost Israel through the manifestation of the Spirit in the believer. The Corinthians were not using it that way.
---michael_e on 1/16/13


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Is tongues for today, or was that only for the Apostolic Church? Give Scripture.
All the gifts via the outpouring recorded in Acts 2, are to be operating until Jesus comes, as stated in 1Cor 1:5-7.
Historically they waned around the fourth century as the Catholic church exercised it's authority over the new testament believers.
However, not all believers were under Catholic jurisdiction, so the gifts of the Holy Spirit can be assumed to have operated among some. On record periodically through the centuries there have been outbreaks of revival where church groups had evidence of the gifts in operation. The earliest in the 20th century is 1906 at Azusa Street. Such gifts are in operation within churches to this day.
---jan4378 on 1/16/13


---Leon on 1/5/13

"Some truths are absolute, some are relevant to circumstances. You put forth absolute truth, and I receive it as an exhortation. Thank you."
---Phil on 1/5/13


Be blessed always Phil! :)
---Leon on 1/11/13


Tongues mean nothing if you do not have love. The Apostle was not indicating there is tongues of angels. Paul was writing in general hypothetical terms. There is no biblical teaching of any special angelic language that people could learn. (1 Cor. 13:1) The word "if" does not indicate there is tongues of angels. The point was that no matter what anyone says they can do, without love (Christ) it means nothing he has become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. In New T. times, rites honoring the pagan dieties, Cybele, Bacchus, and Dionysius included ecstatic noises acompanied by gongs, cymbals, and trumpets. Unless the speech of the Corinthians was done in love, it was no better than the gibberish of pagan ritual.
---Mark_V. on 1/6/13


---Leon on 1/5/13

Some truths are absolute, some are relevant to circumstances. You put forth absolute truth, and I receive it as an exhortation. Thank you.
---Phil on 1/5/13


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"If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal." NASB
---Leon on 1/5/13


---Scott1 on 1/4/13

The manifestations of the grace-effects or gifts, were for the heralding of the coming King and His Kingdom. As long as there was a possibility of Peter's proclamation being fulfilled [Ac 3:19-20], Paul was still preaching the Kingdom evangel, and the gifts were still operating as evidences.

Ac 13:2 tells us that God severed Paul from the Twelve for a different work. Why was this? Because Israel as a whole was rejecting the Lord's apostles, and the way was being made for the nations through Paul, apart from the Jews. The secrets Paul alone knew were coming into the picture.

As Israel fell, so too the gifts as evidence [1C 13:10]. Faith alone, without evidence, saves.
---Phil on 1/5/13


//With the Kingdom door being closed in Acts 28 by Paul, the gifts were rescinded.// Phil on 12/24

Then please explain 1st corthians 12 by Paul and other verses on spiritual gifts and "I wish you all had the gift of tongues" (This is the prayer language tongues) this is all from Paul who you said ended the spritual gifts.
---Scott1 on 1/4/13


It's called discerning of the spirits - a spiritual gift from the Holy Spirit. One major factor of dicscernment knowing the false from the true is when a person profits from God's word. God's word is free for the taking and is an abomination to anyone who profits. Did Jesus carge a fee for listening to him? Did Jesus charge a fee for healing? God forbid. Walk through any christian bookstore and see with your eyes that people are continually profiting from God's simple message. You'll also notice that there are a plethora of authors each having their own interpretation af any subject you choose especially concerning the end times and the rapture.
---Steveng on 12/30/12


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Steven g, how can anyone take you serious? Here you again mention the two prophets, could be the two you mentioned on the road who taught you without speaking. Those are the things you talk about. How do you know you will recognize the two prophets? what if you don't when they come? What if you were never saved to began with? I gave you Scripture and showed where you were wrong. You rejected the Truth before. You condemned the denominations then tell us you were teaching there. Then tells us you were not helped while on the road across America by a church so you were upset. So now you worship in a house, because the churches are all creation of satan. And what about when you told us to remove chapters and verse numbers from the Bible.
---Mark_V. on 12/30/12


\\It just goes to show all of you that you have the knowledge of God, but deny his power. \\

I don't think anyone here is denying the true Biblical gift, Steveng.

But how do YOU know that this, that, or the other manifestation is truly the Biblical gift and not just mere human fakery? Peter Popoff is notorious for doing this.

And how about during the Pearlygate Scandal of 1986, when the late Oral Roberts said that God told him unless he raised multi-million dollars, God would call Oral home?

Or, for that matter, Roberts's "City of Faith" hospital which he claimed God told him to build as part of ORU--and it now has no connection with it?

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/30/12


I know as far as I am concerned, youre right.
If I saw two men, performing I dont care, how many miracles, in front of your eyes!
And telling me, we were sent by God.

Not only would I stay away from them!
But, also tell everyone who hear, to do the same!
Hey but thats just me right, not you.

Clearly! You would follow them!
---TheSeg on 12/30/12


It just goes to show all of you that you have the knowledge of God, but deny his power. Do you not know the purpose of tongues, prophesy, and all the other gifts God has given His people? These same gifts are relevent today as they were in Jesus' time. Most of you will not recognize a true person of God if they perform twelve miracles in front of your eyes. Most of you will not even recognize the last two prophets mentioned in Revelation because they do not conform to your current doctrines. You are the ones who will celebrate and give each other gifts because you hate them. Denominational churches have taught that these gifts are no longer relevent in today's world to the detriment to your eternal souls.
---Steveng on 12/29/12


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To/many:
It's like you believe people Abraham, Joseph, Moses or even Paul could somehow turn away from God.
Now please dont get offended!

But maybe, it's because you believe you are the one choosing God.
Because, if you understood God is the one choosing!
You wouldn't have a choice, and either did, they!

Now you might say what about Judas Iscariot?
All I could say is, Rom 9:21:
Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

Not just you, but anyone who disagrees!
Would have to say, no he doesn't!

When clearly he does! But, not just over the clay!
But over everything you see.
And don't see!
God bless
Peace
---TheSeg on 12/29/12


\\I rather be wrong in your eyes than in God's.\\

But Steveng, you are wrong in EVERYBODY'S eyes, including God's.

What's more, He told me to tell you that. So there!

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/29/12


Steven G, you reject the Truth. All genuine believers endure to the end. Scripture says,

"..so that you are not lacking in any spiritual gift, as you wait for the revealing of our Lord Jesus Christ, "who will sustain you to the end, guiltless in the day of the Lord Jesus Christ,"

After the warning you mentioned in (Matt. 24:12) verse (13) says of those who endure
"But he who endures to the end shall be saved" Those that endure are sustained by Christ. All who fall away in such a manner give evidence that they never were true believers at all.
(Heb. 10:39)
"But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul"
---Mark_V. on 12/29/12


Mark V, I agree with your comments to me. I believe you are correct! Tongues are different languages and not the gibberish we see today. I also believe that God used this gift in the past to speak to those of other languages and if God chooses to he can do it today. I also believe God used it as a sign for the Jews that the Gentiles had been saved by Christ!

Lord bless you my friend. Keep up the good fight of faith.
---trey on 12/29/12


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Oh, Im sorry francis, I misunderstood you.
When you said as Paul commands!

I thought you were saying that Paul commanded someone or us to interpret.
Because in 1Co 14:37, he makes it clear.
That the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

And in 1Co 14:39, is as close as he got to a command.
That you should, covet to prophesy.
Not interpret.

But in this too, he said:
Forbid not to speak with tongues!
In other words let them.

I believe if they were really speaking with tongues.
They would keep silence in the church, and speak to themselves and to God.

Because who would believe someone, who really heard from God?
Only a saint would, right!
Peace
---TheSeg on 12/28/12


he more popular way is via interpreters, (as Paul commands)?? Where?
---TheSeg on 12/28/12

1 Corinthians 12:10
1 Corinthians 12:30
1 Corinthians 14:5
1 Corinthians 14:13
1 Corinthians 14:26
1 Corinthians 14:27
1 Corinthians 14:28
---francis on 12/28/12


\\Did you know that what is being hailed as the gift of tongues today is actually practiced by some Catholics, Mormon sects, and other religions. It is crossing all barriers and beginning to unite "brothers and sisters" from cults and religions all over the world. Be careful.\\

Fr. Seraphim Rose's book ORTHODOXY AND THE RELIGION OF THE FUTURE deals with this very issue.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/28/12


The more popular way is via interpreters, (as Paul commands)?? Where?

Gen_40:8 - And Joseph said unto them, Do not interpretations belong to God? tell me them, I pray you.


Paul:
Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.

He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself, but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues!

Peace
---TheSeg on 12/28/12


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Mark_V.: "But you say things that are so wrong."

I rather be wrong in your eyes than in God's.

Mark_V.: "If you have read what michael e wrote, you would understand so many things."

I only read what the bible says not what man has conceived. Besides, even Satan can appear to be an angel of light.

Mark_V.: "No genuine believer loses their love for Christ or their love for their fellow man."

It is written that in the end days love will wax cold and that the bible warns christians about falling away.

Mark_V.: "Michael explanation is a very good one, you should read it."

Try reading - and understand - what is written in the bible.
---Steveng on 12/28/12


Church fathers attest that tongues were not around by the second century. The gift had fulfilled its purpose and ceased (I Cor 13:8). There is no mention of its use through history (except a few aberrant groups). Then out of the blue, the gift of tongues pops up at Azusa Street (1901) in CA of all places (I mean, really! :). From there it spread around the world...not the biblical gift of tongues but a new gift, a special prayer language (not found in the bible). Did you know that what is being hailed as the gift of tongues today is actually practiced by some Catholics, Mormon sects, and other religions. It is crossing all barriers and beginning to unite "brothers and sisters" from cults and religions all over the world. Be careful.
---J_Fox on 12/27/12


Bro. Trey, I believe first that "tongues" plural (meaning different languages) was used in the early Church as a necessity. There was no New Testament written down yet. The gift of tongues served a great purpose then. I also believe they are not needed now. But in one case or another, God might still give a believer the gift if he is found to be in a country and God wants to save someone. Only on very rare occasions. Not how it is use today. And what is use today is not languages it is a tongue (singular,) which is not a language its (gibberish). No one can understand that, not even God, because it is not a language. God would say, "what are you babbling about?" speak up.
---Mark_V. on 12/28/12


---TheSeg on 12/27/12

I still understand you, and I see no condescending. Your post could use soem condensing, but no condescending.JUST KIDDING

You are talking about the Pentecost experience, where the disciple spoke in tongues, and the people heard it in their own language.


NO HUMAN INTERPRETOR

That is one way that it can happen. It does still happen that way

The more popular way is via interpetors, as Paul commands
---francis on 12/27/12


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Hi Mark,
Please consider the following verses:
1Cor14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

1Cor1:22 For the Jews require a sign,...

1Cor13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail, whether there be tongues, they shall cease, whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

I believe tongues were for a sign to the Jews that this was the Christ. I also believe that they as well as prophesy have ceased, and those with knowledge are becoming fewer and fewer.
---trey on 12/27/12


Glossolalia has been around for thousands of years ,spoken in one form or another by most primitive cultures on earth!
When God instructed the Israelites He did it in their own language,not some foreign babbling.
Did Jesus speak to His disciples in gibberish??
No way does the interpreter (in a church service) speak the language he's interpreting ,so who knows if it's right or wrong??? he/she could say anything,who would know???
"Theatrics"
---1st_cliff on 12/27/12


"Is tongues for today, or was that only for the Apostolic Church? Give Scripture."

Define what you mean by tongues. Give Scripture!
---Leon on 12/27/12


Now francis, Nana on the other blog said:
Im being condescending to you in my post!

When I said:
"Are you with me?"
"Are you still with me?"
"Are you still with me?"

You:
you are saying that it is O.K. to speak in tongues, as long as there is an interpretor.
I agree! But, I dont know of any!

Then you:
see i do understand you!
To which I disagree.

Explaining:
Because, if God is the one doing the talking.
There is no need for any man!

Now do you still understand me?
Thats why all the, are you with me.

In no way am I being condescending!
You in that word you choose to uses are!

But you tell me, was I condescending?
Peace
---TheSeg on 12/27/12


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if a man or woman is attending service, they don't have to hear or speak. when we get under God annointed preaching, the Holy Spirit sweeps thru and the one who couldn't see, talk or hear will know something is happening and he will respond to that. God works in mysterous ways.
---shira4368 on 12/27/12


God bless you francis.
But let me ask you, just what language is that?

What I mean is, if there is a man who cannot hear, speak, see, feel or even smell.
There is no amount of preaching that is going to get him to hear the gospel.
Are you with me?

So it is not up to a man to preach to him.
It will be to God to send a preacher, to him!
Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent?
Are you still with me?

It is always God that speaks, never man.
Unless he is sent!

Men think they are doing God's work!
Almost all are not!
They have not been sent!
Are you still with me?

Peace
---TheSeg on 12/26/12


Steven G, you wonder why I answer you many times and get the wrong idea about me. But you say things that are so wrong. If you have read what michael e wrote, you would understand so many things. No genuine believer loses their love for Christ or their love for their fellow man. You are speaking for works and not the grace of God. Don't you understand that Love never fails? All good things come from God. Even unbelievers sometimes show love, that is another gift to mankind. But it comes from God. Do you happen to pick up snakes with your hands? That is a gift spoken of in the Bible which not many will try, or do you dare drink poison? That is another gift spoken of in the Bible. Michael explanation is a very good one, you should read it.
---Mark_V. on 12/26/12


The so called, charisma - tics Are under the influence of their own self fleshly charisma & Not The Holy Ghost!
---Lawrence on 12/26/12


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I wanted to add this, principally for Steveng's benefit, but didn't have enough words:

The Orthodox Church has always had great faith in miracles and the power of healing prayer and still does. This is true of the other Eastern Churches as well.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/26/12


francis, I really dont expect you to understand, me or the things I say.
---TheSeg on 12/24/12

we seem to speak the same tongue, so i should understand you

you are saying that it is O.K. to speak in tongues, as long as there is an interpretor

see i do understand you
I am also saying the same thing as you
That there are tribes who must hear the gospel in their own language
---francis on 12/26/12


\\For those of you who believe that speaking in tongues, miracles, and prophesy are no longer needed in today's world have no faith, have lost their genuine love, and have deny the power of God.\\

This is not a sentence, but merely a very long fragment. .

Tthe most important thing about this that or the other charismatic sign is what DOCTRINE comes with it.

I once heard a man "minister in prophecy," and people were eating it up with a spoon--but in the process he also denied the physical Resurrection of our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ, saying that He did NOT have a physical body, and claiming that the Holy Spirit needs a physical body to manifest through.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/25/12


"... have no faith, have lost their genuine love, and have deny the power of God.--Steveng on 12/25/12

When one weighs their words before pronouncing general condemnation of believers in Christ, it is a gift of God and a sign of a sane mind.

Christ alone has shown what is a sane mind. Those who put on the mind of Christ, and the new creation, are safely hid in Christ in God.

The enemy is driven out of heaven by faith-filled sons of God, who, by discerning the body, provide nourishment instead of toxins, and life in the place of words of death.
---Phil on 12/25/12


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For those of you who believe that speaking in tongues, miracles, and prophesy are no longer needed in today's world have no faith, have lost their genuine love, and have deny the power of God. The purpose of all the gifts from the Holy Spirit is the proof needed to the unbeliever of God's existance. For those of you that believe that these gifts are no longer available to us in these end days prove that love has evaporated from the face of the world.

And those unbelievers of tongues, miracles, and prophesy will mock the last two prophets because they do not conform to your denominational church's doctrine- your worldly beliefs.
---Steveng on 12/25/12


\\Because, faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God!\\

But remember that the Word of God was SPOKEN, not written down.

In the same way, the New Testament was an ACT at the Eucharist before it was ever written in a book.

As far as the nonsensical babbling of glossolalia, which has NEVER been proven in any way to be the same as the Biblical gift of tongues, those who do this have JUST AS MUCH TROUBLE learning Biblical languages as those not so sanctified.

Merry Christmas!

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/24/12


1 Cor 13:8-10 "Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail, whether there be tongues, they shall cease, whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away." During the transition period following Christ's earthly ministry, the gifts of knowledge, tongues, and prophecy, were means which God's Word could be made known in absence of the scriptures called the new testament", which hadn't been written. When the revelation of the perfect Word of God had been given (completion of the Bible), the gifts of knowledge, tongues, and prophesy passed away, as these verses foretold.
---michael_e on 12/24/12


When Jesus came, it was unto His own, in the Land, as foretold by the Prophets. He came as Deliverer and Redeemer of Israel to fulfill the Covenant.

His offer to be received as the rightful Heir was rejected.

The spiritual gifts accompanied those who believed on Him at that time, during the offer of the Kingdom.

As long as the offer was being made, the "grace-effects", or gifts, were present to confirm it's verity.

With the Kingdom door being closed in Acts 28 by Paul, the gifts were rescinded.
---Phil on 12/24/12


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francis, I really dont expect you to understand, me or the things I say.

Because, faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God!
So you believe you must go out and preach the gospel!
Without really understand.

Because of:
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear (without a preacher?)

How beautiful are the feet of them, which do!
But, some preach without understanding!

Esaias was very bold when he said:
I was found of them that sought me not,
I was made (manifest unto them that asked not after me.)

Like I said you dont believe this!
Peace
---TheSeg on 12/24/12


tongues are for today

There are several tribes who have not yet heard the gospel. they will need to hear it in their native tongues
---francis on 12/23/12


Mark_V, I would have to say, yes!
If there were someone who could interpret, what was being said!
No matter what people say Paul, was very clear!

Starting with, the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man (to profit withal!)
So how can they be speaking with the spirit of God and no one understands, God saying?

If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be (by two,) or at (the most by three,) and that by course,
and let (one interpret!)
Where are the interpreters?
How can they speak, and not have one?
1Co_14:28! But theyre not doing this!

For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, (as in all churches of the saints!)
So, no!

Peace
---TheSeg on 12/23/12


MarkV the only thing I can share with any certainty as concerning this subject is that "Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail, whether there are tongues, they will cease, whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away." 1Cor13:8. When? "When that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away." verse 10. This gift, like all gifts are given "for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ, Eph 4:13 In the mean time, Let us focus on Love.
---joseph on 12/23/12


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sign gifts were for Israel (1 Cor.1:22). sign gifts of tongues, healing, and miracles passed away as the kingdom program passed and the grace program came in. passing of sign gifts happened gradually and was completed when Jerusalem and the temple fell in 70 AD, around the time, the the Bible was completed..

In the final years before the last books of the Bible were completed, there were no more healings through men with gifts. Shortly after Christ's ascension, signs were common. (Acts 2:4, 43, 3:6, 5:12-16, 6:8, 8:6-7, 9:40, 10:46, 14:3). After 30 or so years, even apostles and saints are left sick (2 Cor 12:5-10, Col 4:14, 1 Tim 5:23, 2 Tim 4:20). Of course God can still heal whoever, whenever He wants. But not for a sign.
---michael_e on 12/22/12


Yes for today. It's All part of The 1 & Only Salvation Plan Acts 2 v 38 that God Gave.
---Lawrence on 12/22/12


tongues are for today because I know personal stories of friends and because there are no verses saying that it has ended.
---Scott1 on 12/21/12


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