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Do Demons Exist

Are demons holding people physically down in their beds? Has anyone seen a demon? And what do they look like? Is is possible for spirit beings to stop cars while you are driving? Or is it God?

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Mark V, You ask about the Disciples who were martyred and about the "millions of Christians dying in Sudan and other nations" and how PSALM 91 applies in the Physical Realm? None of those Disciples were martyred, nor any of those Sudanese Christians died without GOD ALLOWING IT TO HAPPEN. For HIS Reasons! They were martyred at GOD's appointed Time, Mark! So, up until their "appointed time", GOD KEPT THEM SAFE AND ALIVE, using HIS holy angels to protect them, at HIS Command and Bidding! Sorry to say, Mark, but, you are OFF BASE in this matter. You still have some more learning and studying to do on this subject. But, whether you do or not will be up to you.
---Gordon on 1/16/13


Lack of knowledge of Christ (Anointed Word of God)---men get tossed about-

Ysha : God Savior

We literally do not have to put up with their "crap"


Lk 4:8
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Rev 12:10
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night

Jn3:16
---char on 1/16/13


Gordon, if you are correct about Psa. 91, then tell me why did God not protect the disciples? The millions of Christians in Sudan and elsewhere? How about those Christians who do die in a car crash by a drunk driver? How about all Christians who die because of evil? Now guess what Gordon, we all die. Christians and none Christians, because of sin. Sin Gordon. Sin is evil. While God might protect some and not all in certain events, it is only because you have to reach the time He set for you to live in this life. You will not die before or after that set time. You will die at the exact time He set for you and me from the foundation of the world. That never changes. He is there for many because it was ordained that way.
---Mark_V. on 1/16/13


2 Tim 2:23-26
But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
And the servant of the Lord must not strive, but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves, if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth,
And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

1 Jn 4:14-15
And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

Is 43:11
I, even I, Am the LORD, and beside me there is No Saviour.
---char on 1/16/13


Leon, no matter the attempts you make to tempt me to respond to you in an evil way will not work. "I", as you said, am very aware of the temptation that you and some others bring. Again "I" do not bring evil to you, I bring Scripture. "I" do not hate anyone, not even African americans, what I don't like is for others to give the glory to angels, demons, satan, or men when it is God who controls all things. For all that God has designed He does. All that He has decreeded He performs, "But our God is in the heavens He has done whatsoever He has pleased" (Psa. 115:3) Why has He? "Because there is no wisdom, nor understanding, nor counsel against the Lord" (Prov. 21:30).
---Mark_V. on 1/16/13




Their nature is described similar or parallel/shadowed to the angelic in powers and knowledge, however, with the forceful idea of active wickedness
Acts 19:15-16
And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know, but who are ye?
And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.
Lack of knowledge of Christ (Anointed Word of God)---men get tossed about,
Ysha: God Savior
We do not have to put up with their "crap"

Lk 4:8
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Jn3:16
---char on 1/16/13


2nd posting:

Lexicon:
daimonizomai #1139
1) to be under the power of a demon
Mk 1:32
And at even, when the sun did set, they brought unto him all that were diseased, and them that were possessed with devils.

*They are shown to speak in their own persons with superhuman knowledge

Mk 1:24
Saying, Let us alone, what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God.

Lk 4:41
And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.
---char on 1/16/13


Do demons exist?
Yes.

They believe that there is One God,

Jms 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God, thou doest well: the (devils) also believe, and tremble.

*Lexicon:
(devils) #1140:damimoion:
1) the divine power, deity, divinity
2) a spirit, a being inferior to God, superior to men
3) evil spirits or the messengers and ministers of the devil
---char on 1/16/13


Do demons exist? Yes.

They are at enmity with God, and can afflict man with disease.

At times described as "un-clean" or "familiar spirits" Deut 18:11, Is 8:19

Lexicon:
Familiar spirits #178:
2) necromancer
b) necromancer, one who evokes the dead
c) ghost, spirit of a dead one
d) practice of necromancy
3) one that has a familiar spirit

Lev 20:6
And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.
---char on 1/16/13


"...I would not expose your false teachings...if I am gone, another will...take my place. I will stand at the Judgment Seat of Christ... Protecting His Church... I love the Lord & speak for His Church & His children.[?]...You believe I, lack love for...the wicked child murderers, & because I, pray God...get rid of them...But you love them, you want them to stay at the expense of someone's child, so long as it[']s not your child. And if I don't believe like you, I have no love. I do not want that love, you can keep it."
---Mark_V. on 1/16/13


Mark suffers from very serious "I" [eye?] trouble. Pray for him!
---Leon on 1/16/13




Mark V, PSALM 91 refers "only" to the spiritual realm, you emphatically declare? So, in other words, (according to you), PSALM 91:11-12, is not referring to literal angelic "hands" and is not speaking of the literal possibility of a Believer who could "dash (their) foot against a stone" (or some other similar potential, physical harm)?? Mark, allow me to clue you in, is that okay...? PSALM 91 is referring to BOTH the Spiritual AND the Physical Realms. BOTH. For GOD takes care of BOTH. And, one with true Holy Spirit Discernment will be able to pick out which is in reference to the Spiritual and which is of the Physical, regarding PSALM 91.
---Gordon on 1/16/13


Steven G, you would love for me to take time off, this way I would not expose your false teachings. But even if I am gone, another will be here to take my place. I will stand at the Judgment Seat of Christ as a Christian. Protecting His Church the body of Christ. I love the Lord and speak for His Church and His children. You speak against it because you didn't get help in one of them. You believe I lack love for not loving the wicked child murderers, and because I pray God to get rid of them so they will never molest, rape and murder another child. But you love them, you want them to stay at the expense of someone's child, so long as its not your child. And if I don't believe like you, I have no love. I do not want that love, you can keep it.
---Mark_V. on 1/16/13


Well said, Stephenq.
---JackB on 1/15/13


\\You wouldn't know the truth if it whacked you on the side of your head with a two-by-four.\\

You don't actually think that YOU know the truth, do you, StevenG?

How can you when you attend a worldly denominational home church?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/15/13


Mark_V.: "You call me prideful for giving the Truth that behind all things it is God who gets the glory,..."

You wouldn't know the truth if it whacked you on the side of your head with a two-by-four. Your hatred (asking God to kill people you do not like) and twisting the posts of others and giving false testimony is surely not from the Holy Spirit. All your posts appear to be only the knowledge of spiritual matters, but have not yet experienced true and genuine love for others. As I have asked you before, you need to take a six month sabbatical and read the bible from beginning to end and asking the Holy Spirit to help with understanding and wisdom.

In the end you are the one that will stand in front of God's judgement.
---Steveng on 1/15/13


"Leon, God sends His messengers, and your attempt to kill them does not work. [?] You call me prideful for giving the Truth that behind all things it is God who gets the glory, "for He "worketh all things after the counsel of His own will" (Eph 1:11) and that means all things. You don't like my answers, that's ok, not many here like them so they throw the devil or a demon at me. [?] The Truth will always be Truth. Whether you like it or not... I know you don't. --Mark_V. on 1/15/13

You know?!!! :) There's that ol' pride in you raising it's ugly head again. (Proverbs 16:18) You "clearly" have delusions of grandeur Mark. Repent!!!
---Leon on 1/15/13


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Leon, God sends His messengers, and your attempt to kill them does not work. You call me prideful for giving the Truth that behind all things it is God who gets the glory, "for He "worketh all things after the counsel of His own will" (Eph 1:11) and that means all things. You don't like my answers, that's ok, not many here like them so they throw the devil or a demon at me. The Truth will always be Truth.
Whether you like it or not. No one can see an invisible angel. Unless an angel or a demon manifest itself in a physical form, no one can see an invisible demon hold a person physically down. For things invisible cannot be seen unless you have the eyes of Christ who is God, and I know you don't.
---Mark_V. on 1/15/13


"Gordon, even though Leon wants me to stop from giving you truth, it is important for everyone who is save[d] to know it, no matter his opinion of me."--Mark_V on 1/14/13

When did I ever say I wanted you to stop being truthful Mark?! What a scathing, false accusation & a subtle demonization of me coming from someone who claims to always speak the "truth". :)

Also, have you not read in Scripture whereas God has on numerous occasion sent His angels in physical form, e.g., to Abraham, Lot, Jacob, Mary, etc.?

It's apparent "your truth" is not Bible sound or accurate. It's not about you Mark! For you to think so is vanity.
---Leon on 1/14/13


Gordon, even though Leon wants me to stop from giving you truth, it is important for everyone who is save to know it, no matter his opinion of me.
Second, you now say:

"Mark V, And, I never said anything whatsoever that gave the angels any kind of glory".

Did you not suggest that angels stop cars? That's how this subject began. What you said about Psa 91 is true if you are talking about spiritual help, not physical help. If He will protect believers from evil as you suggest in the physical, why were most of the disciples crucified and other beheaded? There was no protection for His disciples from evil. Or the millions of Christians dying in Sudan and other nations. Can you explain those incidents?
---Mark_V. on 1/14/13


Mark V, And, I never said anything whatsoever that gave the angels any kind of glory. The fact that I specifically said that "GOD Himself" sends HIS angels to help HIS people, right there, automatically gives GOD the Glory, because it is HE Who sends HIS angels to help! So, I say it again, PSALM 91 tells us directly, that GOD sends HIS angels to help HIS people. And those holy angels will "bear (us) up in their HANDS lest we dash our foot against a stone." And, again, it says in the "HANDS of the angels" will they up-hold us, protect us, by GOD's own Holy Decree, out of HIS Love for HIS people! So, invisible spirit beings can touch and move physical objects. Be they holy or evil beings.
---Gordon on 1/13/13


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Cluny lets examine your logic

Mat 8:2 And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.

Wonderful Proverb
"let a man meet a bear robberd of her cubs than a fool and his folly"

If greater things we will do , who are called by his name, no wonder demons cannot cast out demons, neither indeed see them

PEACE !!!
---Carla on 1/13/13


//A truly converted person would not encounter a demon,//

Apparently, FoC is unaware of the stories of true Christians through the ages. But then, FoC doesn't have a clue about what true Christianity is.

The close a person is to Christ, the more demons attack him.

A classical example is St. Anthony the Great, who was allowed by God to see demons in their own forms.

OTOH, demons let people who merely think they are Christians strictly alone, as they know they already have such deluded souls.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/12/13


Ok everybody even in the time of Jesus remember an angel of theLord went to Mary was made pregnant by the holyspirit. So that dismiss the idea we weak deluiitional this is the word.. angels sent by God.love of Jesus! ELENA
Luke1:28,v.35.also Angel sent to let Zachariah know his prayer been heard.luke ch.1:13.
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---ELENA on 1/12/13


Follower_of_Christ:

You said: A truly converted person would not encounter a demon, however many who are not truly converted, and the sinners would experience the evil presence of demons.

Why do you say this? Can you cite any biblical passage that says this? I am unaware of any. Quite to the contrary, Jesus himself encountered demons all the time. Does that mean he wasn't "converted enough"? Are we more holy than Jesus?!

He also said our battle was not against flesh and blood, but against Principalities and Powers - presumably evil spiritual entities (i.e. demons). How can one battle agsinst something one never encounters?
---StrongAxe on 1/12/13


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Gordon, sister Pat touched my point. Whenever anything happens to us, whether we are brought back to life by a stranger, or doctor, or a tumor suddenly disappears, or a car is stops that would have killed you, or if your family is hungry and someone brings food to you, the glory goes to God. All things move by the power of His will.
I see too many times where believers give the glory to man or angels when the real cause of all things is God.
"For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist."
---Mark_V. on 1/12/13


"Mark...You use...obviously crack-pot, goofy examples to try [ & ] equate with what I've been [saying]. For an holy angel to protect a child of GOD from the possible harm of an on-coming car is NOT in the same league as seeing a "picture of Jesus on a corn tortilla"! (lol. INSANE.)...have you never read PSALM 91? ([It] speaks to the people of GOD)[ & ] says "...[No evil will] befall [you]...For [GOD will] give HIS angels charge over [you]!...I'm done here...Not because your view has "won". I'm just done with repeating over-and-over the obvious Truth."
---Gordon on 1/10/13


Amen Gordon! It's impossible to reason with someone who is full ~ prideful ~ of themself.
---Leon on 1/12/13


The Lord asked to keep his followers from evil. If we pray to be kept from evil believing Lord is our master he will provide for us.

Satan is the god of this world, the prince of the power of air, and through his false ministers (demons) they can appear as angels of light and deceive, or as demons to destroy. A truly converted person would not encounter a demon, however many who are not truly converted, and the sinners would experience the evil presence of demons. demons are composed of spirit and their power is greater than the physical power of a flesh and blood human they can manipulate material objects and people.

If you are seeking to see one or have an obsession with others seeing them you are not converted to the Lord.
---Follower_of_Christ on 1/12/13


Gordon, answering you is for the glory of God. You gave (Psa. 91) with the tought that God is protecting all Christians physically from evil. God could not possibly be saying that. We take refuge in Him spiritually, He protects us spiritually, our salvation is spiritual, the protection of the angels is spiritual, and our battle is spiritual. If you were right in your interpretation, then why did thousands of those people die at the hands of evil nations? Or why are so many Christians been physically murdered for the cause of God now in so many countries? Brother, if you want to leave go ahead. But discussing this issues is very important. I will tell you my point later and leave you peace.
---Mark_V. on 1/12/13


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Well, demons wants you dead. Give God the credit for stopping the car. Demons are so real and very, very, veryyyy dangerous, tormenting evil beings. I have my doubts that anyone has ever actually seen one. Holding people down in their beds, could be demonic, however, God has held me in chairs when I just as soon got up and walked out. And God certainly can keep you in the bed if He wants to keep you in the bed. Soooo.
---pat on 1/12/13


there are many examples of angels who have helped man. my friend went to college with a young lady who was posessed. she called my friend to come over and as she was driving, something stepped on her gas and she panicked but it stopped at the red light. I've read many examples of people who have been in accidents and someone comes to help them but they can't be seen walking away and no one knows who they are.
We are told we entertain angels unawares. I know angels watch over me or I would be dead I believe. I have had many close calls and I know someone was with me.
---shira4368 on 1/11/13


Mark V, You use these obviously crack-pot, goofy examples to try to equate with what I've been presenting here. For an holy angel to protect a child of GOD from the possible harm of an on-coming car is NOT in the same league as seeing a "picture of Jesus on a corn tortilla"! (lol. INSANE.) Mark, have you never read PSALM 91? (This Psalm speaks to the people of GOD) it says "...There shall no evil befall thee...For HE (GOD) shall give HIS angels charge over thee!..THEY SHALL BEAR THEE UP IN THEIR HANDS!" (This requires the angels to touch a person of GOD, even as the angels are invisible) But, I'm done here, Mark. Not because your view has "won". I'm just done with repeating over-and-over the obvious Truth.
---Gordon on 1/10/13


"get out!"

then, i heard the swoosh trough the hallway, the alarm being enabled (very thoughtful good/bad spirit), the door open and shut, and the handle being jiggled. a few minutes after, i could move, but did not dare shut my eyes.

the spirit did not hold me down. paralysis did. but, there are things happening out there.
---aka on 1/10/13


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Steven G, what the Bible says is truth because it is the word of God. God inspired the writers to write what is already Truth. Since there was no cars at the time, and only God knows what angels and spirits look like, we know for sure spirits exist and do the work of God, the Bible tells us. Canon closed. We are now to put our faith in God, never faith in man. When man bring the gospel, we are not putting our faith in the man who spoke the gospel, but on God because it is His word. I don't believe you understand that. You put your faith in what man says about his experiences that happen in his life. Man is sinful the reason we don't put our faith in them. We put our faith in God. If a car is stopped which saves a life, we give the glory to God.
---Mark_V. on 1/10/13


//Or that an invisible evil spirit held down a physical person down on the bed. Can you? If you can, be my guest to answer kindly.//

one night many years ago, i was sleeping on my back, and my eyes flew open. i could not shut them and i could not move. several minutes later (i could see a clock on a high dresser peripherally.) i lived in sort of a dangerous neighborhood so alarms was engaged. just then. i heard some jiggling of the front door, the door swish open and slam shut, and the alarm being disengaged. then, i heard a swooshing sound. i was paralyzed but saw nothing. a voice grumbled in my ear, ...

cont
---aka on 1/9/13


steveng, look up "old path" and you will get some good stuff. I put the KJV on my ipad and I also put strongs concordence on my ipad too. so convenient.
---shira4368 on 1/9/13


Mark_V.: "Why don't you do an online check..."

I do not do general "online searches", I only do KJV Bible searches.

Why do you have this obsession with angels overturning cars?

As for angels, they are greater in power and might - both spiritually and physically - than humans. One would find this to be true even with a casual reading of the bible. Even Job experienced the power of Satan on a physical level. Satan and his angels have been given tremendous power over the earth. But you do not believe it, it's your downfall.

Remember, those who have the Holy Spirit have more power over them.
---Steveng on 1/9/13


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Steven G, I posted the blog, and brother Gordon was kind enough to answer very kindly. So were the others. It's a debate that can go on and on since many people have many experiences that can never be proven. who can really proof an invisible angel stopped a car? Can you? Or that an invisible evil spirit held down a physical person down on the bed. Can you? If you can, be my guest to answer kindly. Why don't you do an online check and then pick the one you like from whatever source you desire.
---Mark_V. on 1/9/13


It's obvious that this debate will not go away especially when Mark V is controlling the debate. As I have mentioned before learn all you need to learn about angels and their activities by doing an online KJV bible search for the words "angel", "satan", "lucifer", "devil", and "cherub".
---Steveng on 1/8/13


Gordon, I did not forget to mention angels do the work of God. And they do have a small part in the whole plan of God. I see you did not provide any proof that angels stop cars, or that people can see an invisible spirit. Listen, I heard of Jesus in the tortilla in the case in New Mexico. Does God need Jesus to appear in a tortilla? Or an invisible evil spirit to hold people down on the bed? The battles are spiritual, unless they manifist themselves in human form. Scripture does tell us God send angels to destroy, even bring death to many. When Lot saw two angels entering the city of Sodom, they were manifested in human bodies. People could see them. But an invisible spirits holding someone physically down can never be proven.
---Mark_V. on 1/8/13


Mark V, People have seen demons, as well as holy angels before. Hna ELENA herself just testified to that, here earlier. Demonic creatures, who are spritual creatures nonetheless, all have different forms and features, some are similar, but, most likely, none are exactly alike in looks, just as it is with with us human beings. Even human identical twins have noticeable differences. GOD's creativity is endless! An angel does not have to be "visible" to our lower-nature vision in order to be able to move objects. The angel at the Tomb of YAHUSHUA was MADE VISIBLE to the women so that they COULD see them. But, the angels did not HAVE to be "visible" to be able to roll the Stone away!
---Gordon on 1/8/13


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Mark V, Here's your quote from 1/3/13 "Gordon, what I know is what the Bible teaches concerning angels and demons. They are but a small part in the plan of God. I don't give them more credit than they deserve....If they do something, it is because God allowed it or God permitted it...." Mark, you forgot to mention "and the holy angels do as GOD COMMANDS". GOD does not ONLY "allow and permit" angels to do things, Mark. GOD is in control and HE COMMANDS HIS holy angels to do this or that. And, an angel does not have to be visible to our human eyes to be able to move earthly objects!
---Gordon on 1/8/13


Mark V, YES, I did read your answer carefully, and I just quoted it in my last comment where you said that angels "are but a small part in the plan of God". You must read a condensed version of the Holy Bible, then, Mark, because the Holy Bible of 66 Books is CHOCK FULL of Events and Stories that involve both GOD's holy angels and the wicked fallen angels! I'm trying to get the point across that YES, GOD can "do every little, single solitary thing all by HIMSELF". But, HE CHOOSES (there's that Free-Will again!), HE CHOOSES, and HE has set up things in such a way, where HE uses angels and men as HIS servants to run certain errands and duties on HIS behalf, according to HIS Will.
---Gordon on 1/8/13


Gordon, you have not read my answers carefully. I do not in anyway down play the works of God angels. Not ever. I know they work for God, and they are included in His plans. In fact I acknowledged that from the beginning. God permits lying spirit to go in the mouths of the false prophets as in the story of (1 Kings 22 and in the parallel account in 2 Chronicles 18). There is no question whatsoever that good an bad angels only do what God permits them to do.
Hermano Gordon, that is not my point. You know already what my point was, is. Can an invisible spirit who has no physical parts hold a physical body down on a bed? And how do people know it is a demon? What kind of figures does the demon have? And has anyone seen an angel stopping a car?
---Mark_V. on 1/8/13


Steveng:

Foaming at the mouth, etc. is definitely not normal behavior. Therefore, anyone who does it is not right no the head. This is, threfore, by definition, mental illness. Now, it's quite possible that demonic activity can cause physical and mental illnesses, and many other bad things. It is foolish to discount this by saying demons are never involved, but it is also naive to assume that demons are ALWAYS involved. Sometimes mental illness is merely due to chemical imbalance (and the fact that in many cases chemical treatments can eliminate it shows that thosw cases, at least, do not have demonic causes).
---StrongAxe on 1/7/13


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Mark V, Remember when the angel Gabriel appeared to Mary, the earthly mother of YAHUSHUA, and announced to her that she would give birth to the Christ Child? Don't you know that GOD Himself sent that angel Gabriel to Mary, when HE could have just as easily visited her HIMSELF?? Yet, HE appoints HIS holy angels to perform tasks at HIS Command. YES, GOD can and does all things that are Godly. But, HE includes HIS created servants (both angels and men) to be a part of working out HIS Plans. Certainly, angels are NOT to be worshipped. But, neither are they to be DOWNPLAYED. They are a much bigger part of GOD's Plans than you acknowledge.
---Gordon on 1/7/13


Mark-v you are a product of your own nostalgia, if you knew Christ and his teaching you would not need a mere novice to teach you what is already written.

Christ answered satan when he offered him the world that belongs to him the temptation to become subject to his foolishness...

God is above the devil and the devils work.


I have no time for time wasters you can practice your speech on the unlearned.

Bless you x



---Carla on 1/7/13


Sandy, Scripture does speak of demons and satan. They do exist. No question about it. Paul through the Spirit pointed out that while the idolatrous gods pagans worship do not actually exist, there are demons who do exist, instigating and propagating such pagan worship. Those who participate in these pagan rituals are actually offering worship to demons and so operating under demonic power. Paul and also John did warn us believers that in the end times the activities of Satan and his demons will be on the increase. There is no question about that. Though demons and satan are powerful, there is no reason to believe that they can ever possess a Christian, but may be harrassed, tempted, or accused by demons, but never controlled by them.
---Mark_V. on 1/6/13


Carla, the reason for posting was to know how many knew more about God then about man, satan or demons. It's the duty of all Christians to learn all about God before they learn about all those others. God is Sovereign Lord of the Universe. Nothing happens outside the will of God. No one can stay the hand of God. For it is written,
"He doeth according to His will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: "and none can stay His hand" (Dan. 4:35).
Either we have faith in God or we don't. When people believe, demons and man are defeating the will of God, then they have the wrong God. He says:
"But God worketh all things after the counsel of His own will" (Eph. 1:11).
---Mark_V. on 1/5/13


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Steven G, the reason I posted was to find out how many knew about God. You need to learn who the God of the Bible is before you speak such nonsense:

"Satan and his angels are not under the direction of God, but God does allow it because he's given up on humanity as a whole"

If satan is defeating the Almighty power of God then your satan is God. God never gave up on mankind. If He had given up on mankind, there would have been no reason for His Son to die. He told us through His word what the ending is going to be. Satan is not omnipotent, God is. God has the whole complete plan before Him, and it will be as He designed it. We only have one Omnipotent God. You teach the wrong god from the internet.
---Mark_V. on 1/5/13


Carla 2: you say for me to leave this subject to those who know. Have you seen a demon yourself? And what does it look like? Go ahead and teach me about the demons. Can an invisible spirit hold someone physically down? you sound like you are smart in this matter so why not answer the questions so that I can learn. I know little about satan and the demons but did attend one of Derek Prince ministries, where they attempted to take demons out of 20 kids. I saw what happened to those kids afterwards.
But I do know about God. Tell us how they overpower God? Let me learn something today from you. You must be a Pentacostal or charamatic are you would not have answered me. But whoever you are, teach me.
---Mark_V. on 1/5/13


Are demons mentioned in the Bible? They are, Jesus spent a lot of his ministry dealing with demons. That means they do exist, or do you not believe Jesus?
---Sandy on 1/5/13


Mark v, it seems you have created this blog to cause a debate. The truth is simple, instead of learning, you are trying to convince people to your way of thinking instead of God's.

As for angels...

All angels, good and bad, are created by God. They have power beyond human understanding. God's angels do God's will, Satan's angels have a will of their own - to have as many humans turn their backs against God as possible. They will do anything even come as an angel of light. They are greater in power and in might.

To learn all you need to know about angels is to do an online KJV bible search for the words "angel", "satan", "lucifer", "devil", and "cherub".
---Steveng on 1/4/13


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Bro.Mark, and sis.Carla, listen she brings a goodpoint, I had before when I was in a wheelchair beenlong time ago. I saw an angel and she came to.me a beautifull.but old kind face smiling and she carassed my face, my family left me alone in the rain, she came from out of no where & spoke to me kindness & disappear right in before my eyes! She said God going to help you! It wasn't long after I got healed & out the wheelchair. I was a young woman.
---ELENA on 1/4/13


Mark_V.: "When a person looks like he is possessed by a demon, we cannot be positive it's a demon, it could be the person is mentally ill."

Only a worldly person will accept that excuse that a person is mentally ill and not a demon. Demons cause mental illness. Read the bible, it tells you there.
---Steveng on 1/4/13


Mark_V.: "[Angels] are but a small part in the plan of God."

Read Revelation.

Mark_V.: "I don't give them more credit then they deserve. They are under the direction of God. If they do something, it is because God allowed it or permitted it."

Satan and his angels are not under the direction of God, but God does allow it because he's given up on humanity as a whole. Satan knows he has only a short time before Christ's return and is doing everything in his power to wreck havoc throughout the world. Events will get more violent and we near the end, but as christians we must endure by puting on the armour of God to protect us during this time.
---Steveng on 1/4/13


Mark_v

What you know about demons is very little, selective in hearing and so to in understanding. You start a blog looking for old arguments, if you lack knowledge the bible teaches to study, and up until now you still have not grasped the art of listening and believing.

I don't mean to every wind of doctrine, you ask can demons hold a person down?

Why ?, so that you can unleash your limited knowledge and NO experience to belittle and put the person down.

The fight does not belong to you, you cannot make one hair white or number them on a persons head... so I concur that you leave the subject between those who know what they are talking about and are willing to help other's how to over come them.
---Carla on 1/4/13


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Gordon, when did you hear me say what you said:

"Talking about angels is not "giving them more credit than they deserve". What nonsense."

I didn't say talking about them was giving them more credit. You give them more credit when you suggest they do more then they do. You almost raise them to the level of omnipotence. They only do what God permits them to do, no more. Please quote me correctly, I think I answered you kindly.
---Mark_V. on 1/4/13


Talking about angels is not "giving them more credit than they deserve". What nonsense. Talking about and learning about angels is not a matter of giving them any "credit". It's about learning more about how they operate, both in GOD's Kingdom and in Satan's. It's IMPORTANT to know how they work. And, GOD sends HIS holy angels to help his people today, just as HE did in times past (Hagar in the wilderness, mother Mary, Balaam, Lot in Sodom, etc.) And, we need to be aware how the wicked, fallen angels operate to know how to deal with it, IN CHRIST.
---Gordon on 1/4/13


Gordon, what I know is what the Bible teaches concerning angels and demons. They are but a small part in the plan of God. I don't give them more credit then they deserve. They are under the direction of God. If they do something, it is because God allowed it or permitted it. How far they go, is up to God.
When the Pentacostal denomination came to be, the gifts, the spiritual and the demon language increased. It is quite obvious to the careful Bible student the views of the baptism of the Holy Spirit is based upon "experiences of man" and not doctrine. Similar history occured when the RCC increased the ideas with, pictures and story legends of demons, witches, and satan worship. And killed thousands of people unjustly.
---Mark_V. on 1/3/13


Something is being forgotten here.

Neither angels nor demons are omnipotent. BOTH are limited.

Angels can and will do anything God allows and orders them to do, whether it is moving stones from tombs or whatever. Whether they can be seen in any form doing so is another issue.

But since demons are NOT omnipotent, they can act only in disobedience to God. They are otherwise as limited in what they can do on their own as the Holy Angels are.

Happy New Year!

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 1/1/13


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Gordon, you now say,
"The thing is, regarding the knowing of which Spiritual Being is behind any certain given action requires Spiritual Discernment which is given by the indwelling Holy Spirit." The discernment we get is not to identify an angel that is invisible. I never heard of such discernment in the Bible for believers. Even Paul did not identify the demons who were working through the false teachers that were messing up the Church. All he witnessed was the false teachers themselves. Only God knows what a demon looks like or an angel.
Again, my point is when someone says they saw a demon holding them down, my question is, how do they know it was a demon? Unless it had a human body that you can see.
---Mark_V. on 1/1/13


Gordon, you also said:
"An angel with, for the moment, a visible but totally spiritual body, had PHYSICALLY AND TANGIBLY rolled away the Stone of the Tomb."
The angel that moved the stone was manifested in a physical body that could be seen by Mary. If an angel held a person down on the bed, it would have to be a physical body holding the person down. Or else how could you see him? Mary saw the angel setting on the stone with her eyes, even talked to her. Plus He didn't remove the stone to let Jesus out, he removed the stone so they could see Jesus was not there, He had risen. Angels appeared many times in physical form. I agree with that.
---Mark_V. on 1/1/13


Mark V, My point in my Example about YAHUSHUA, Peter and the sword had nothing to do with whether it was a "spiritual or physical battle." My point was that YAHUSHUA could've prayed that His Father send down Legions of holy angels to come and TANGIBLY assist Him. The Example that "aka" gave was perfect. An angel with, for the moment, a visible but totally spiritual body, had PHYSICALLY AND TANGIBLY rolled away the Stone of the Tomb. Angelic beings are equally powerful whether they are visible or invisible to our human eye. That applies to both the holy angels as well as to the evil, fallen ones. Our fleshly eyes are too inferior to be able to see the powerful spiritual beings all around us (Except when GOD allows us to.)
---Gordon on 12/31/12


Mark V, I doubt that a demonic spirit would try to stop a car from hitting and possibly killing someone. The thing is, regarding the knowing of which Spiritual Being is behind any certain given action requires Spiritual Discernment which is given by the indwelling Holy Spirit. And, Mark, I'm NOT saying that holy angels do what-not of "their own accord", of course not! They do ONLY what GOD bids them to do. So, if an holy angel stops a car from hitting someone, it was GOD sending them to protect so-and-so. GOD does appoint Guardian Angels to HIS people, who know how to protect HIS people. You know?
---Gordon on 12/31/12


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Aka, you are right again. The angels talked about in the passages you gave manifested in the flesh. How anyone knows they were angels is because the writer of Scripture tells us they were. The writers of Scripture mention many times the appearances of angels as humans. Only a human form body can do physical things. My question has been is how do they know a spirit stop a car if they don't see them? When a person looks like he is possessed by a demon, we cannot be positive it's a demon, it could be the person is mentally ill. We are even told that we sometimes entertain angels and don't even know it. Because we cannot recognize them as angels. When a person does great unsual deeds, we say, she is an angel, and guess what? she could be.
---Mark_V. on 12/31/12


Gordon 2: for Peter to rebuke Jesus and tell Him, "Far be it from You, Lord, this shall not happen to You" it was the opposite of what God's sovereign plan was for Christ, who came for the purpose of dying as an atonement for sin (John 12:27).
God can see and know what a demon or satan looks like spiritually, but man cannot know what they look like. If man was a spirit himself, instead of a human being, we would recognize them also. In the flesh we can only see the evidence of their evil presence in people. If God wanted an angel to stop a car, I'm sure they could, the only thing is that man cannot possibly know it was a demon, angel or satan, since they cannot see them. They are around us, but we don't see them.
---Mark_V. on 12/29/12


Mark_V, I was addressing your question as initially written.

but there is no problem...

//Maybe someone has a passage.//
---Mark_V. on 12/28/12

Mat_28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
Mat_28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
Luk_1:11 And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense.
Luk_1:13 But the angel said unto him

there is a lot of human attributes there.
---aka on 12/29/12


Gordon, your biblical proof is about Jesus Christ who is God, and nothing is impossible with God. He could call legions of angels to help Him. What you forget is that you are thinking in the flesh. You have to think in the Spirit.
Our battle is a spiritual battle, not a physical one. When Jesus rebuked Peter and said, "get behind Me satan" (Matt. 16:23) He was not indicating that Peter was satan, but that Peter was been a mouthpiece for satan. And Jesus who is God was talking to satan who was moving Peter to say what he did. Jesus could have sent for angels to save Him, but they were not going to fight a physical battle, they were going to fight a spiritual battle against the demons who were causing the people to kill Him.
---Mark_V. on 12/29/12


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Hi Mark,

I believe the scritpures:
Lu8:30 And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him.

Lu4:41 And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.

Do they exist? A: Yes

Are they physically holding people down? A: ??? That I don't know.

I believe that God has put a hedge about most of us. Job 1:10
---trey on 12/29/12


Bro.Mark, now this true honest all this happen to me.I have seen demons we lived in apt.when I was young woman I had sleep in bedroom alone these men hands grab my legs! I scream crying when happen every time.I was so scared! Another demon saw in my mothers house 2 times! He was 7 ft tall. Ugly face & hands with long fingenails feet.like a animal huge reek of blood! Horrible looking! My late mom the one who beat me alot she was athiest.She told me I rather see you dead then go to church! Ran back go live with my grandmother.
---ELENA on 12/28/12


Mark V, GOD created holy angels to deliver Divine Messages and to do HIS Royal Bidding on Earth and in Heaven. Do you not remember how, in the Scriptures, YAHUSHUA told the Apostle Peter, when YAHUSHUA was arrested, that Peter was to "lay down his sword", for, if He wanted, He could've called down Legions of Angels from Heaven to fight for Him, instead. Now, WHY did He speak of "angels" rescuing Him??? Why did He not just say that "GOD" could rescue Him?? And, we're talking about a Man Who didn't really need angels to "protect Him". That is your "Biblical PROOF" that GOD sends HIS holy angels to HELP us, and to actively DO THINGS on Earth.
---Gordon on 12/28/12


\\ God gave him reighn on earth.\\

No, He didn't.

If this is true, then Jesus lied when He said, "All power is given to ME in heaven and on earth."

Obviously, Jesus did not lie, so the idea that God gave Satan reign on earth is false.

\\he has even gone to heaven to accuse the brethren to Jesus. wow, that is hard to comprehend but its true.\\

No, this is not true, either.

Jesus also said, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven."

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/28/12


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Whenever we are sinning, we are being held down by a wrong spirit witch is messing our emotions and personality and our relating with God and people. Ephesians 2:2

And a wrong spirit can keep our attention down to where we do not belong. Colossians 3:2

So, if we get very concerned about what a spirit can do physically, it can be we are being decoyed from where our attention belongs with God and submitting to how He rules us with His peace. Colossians 3:15

I would say a demon can do whatever Jesus gives the spirit permission to do. But if Satan appears before Jesus and that is all he gets, he has wasted so much.
---willie_c: on 12/28/12


Aka, you are correct when you say,

"
an angel of God can do for what he is dispatched."


The only problem there is that when they do what God wants them to do, no one can see them because they are spirits. We can assume they stop cars, trains, buses etc. But no one can authenticate they are angels. Now if angels manifest themselves in a human body, then we have another problem, what will the body look like, for us to know it was an angel? When the angel of death killed many we are not told if people saw the angel with their eyes. Maybe we were told but I do not remember reading about it.
Maybe someone has a passage.
---Mark_V. on 12/28/12


I have never been held down but I have felt evil spirits around me several times. once I slept with my bible and the evil left. satan is the prince of the air and God gave him reighn on earth. he has even gone to heaven to accuse the brethren to Jesus. wow, that is hard to comprehend but its true.
---shira4368 on 12/28/12


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