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Does God Know In Advance

Does God know in advance which humans will accept Christ and be rewarded, and which will not accept and be damned? If he knows in advance, why does he allow them to be born for damnation?

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Both paths are established: His seed-line/Word- would not be mocked
God is TimelessFlesh is subject to it.
In-Flesh is temporary.
He has established His Word to be manifested In-flesh (Jn1:1-14) through Seth.
He intervened over and over againfor no corruption.
Deut:20:17 "But thou shalt utterly destroy them, namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee:"
Joshua 5:13-15...etc...
(I Chronicles 2:55, and Ezra 2:43-65)
John 3:16

Praise Him for His mercy and Grace.

To Him be All Praise and Glory-
Shalom
---char on 1/6/13


Rev 12:4 "And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born."

Adversary already sentenced: Gen 3:15,1Cor15:55

Eve: All living
Mary: Blood - line of Kings and Lords.( Judah/Levi)
Rev 12:5

John 14,15,16(all)
I in you, you in me, we in them....
Name of Jesus (Ysha-God Savior) Every knee-Every mouth...
Rom 14:11, Phil 2:10, Eph 1:21

His Word is to be Declared...
Rom 10:9-10
...For the agreement/confirmation/testifing of His Son.
1Jn 5(all)
---char on 1/6/13


Both paths are established.

"Off the mark" [Tav]Gen 4:15
*He knows (in fullness) what we look like incomplete------"Off the mark" ---at the end of that path.


There is Only One path/way that leads to Him when followed----His Word-Y'sha/Jesus Christ/His Word anointed/confirmed--[Aleph/Tav]

*He knows (In Fullness) what we look like and the end of that path----Complete With/In Him.


Witnessed within the written Word - it is through the blood-line of Seth He established His Word to be...

King of king and Lord of lords

Aleph to Tav.
---char on 1/6/13


pg1
//Yes he was drawn to Christ//
I believe it was pride!

Did you read this part?
And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

His answer was, All these have I kept from my youth up!
In other words, I have kept the law!
And you believe he was draw?

Sounds like someone trusting in themselves.
Don't you think?

//second chance is not necessarily promised//
I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven!
This doesn't sound like a promise to you?

So, if you had a hundred sheep and one went astray, you wouldn't look?
So, you dont believe you'll find it?
See, I do, I know you will!
Peace
---TheSeg on 1/6/13


Christan
You are masterful at manipulating people's words and thoughts. I know what I said and I suspect you do too. I am done.
---pg1 on 1/6/13




Each Israelite had an allotment according to the law, which could not be permanently disposed of, but came back to him at the jubilee. Those who had bought such allotments would lose them when the kingdom would be set up, for then there will be the great jubilee, when each allotment will be returned to its true tenant.

Ac 2:44-45 And all that believed were together, and had all things common,
And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all [men], as every man had need.

Those who were rich found this unacceptable, precluding faith's operation in them.

Did the young man with many acquisitions repent? No mention is made beyond Mk 10:22 his final position. He may have.
---Phil on 1/6/13


Sis. Shira, free will cannot be something God gives. God never said, 'Ok' people, I am giving you free will, you are free to do what you want"
God judges us by our choices and He demands Obedience. If God had given man free will, why would He judge us if He gave us that freedom to to what we want? God along has free will. Everything He does is alway righteous. What we do is almost always sinful. Why? because we make bad choices. Those lost are inslave to sin, not free, those who are saved are inslave to God, they are also not free. Jesus sets us free from the slavery of sin, so that we can be slaves to God.
Man deman's their freedom, even when they say they committed their lives to Christ. They now belong to the Lord.
---Mark_V. on 1/6/13


"It is really sad that you cannot engage in discussions without name calling when challenged." pg1

I was "name calling" you? How? By saying you're a liar? Let's be logical with this issue we're discussing at hand. You initially declared, "You don't need a specific verse that says man has free will because the concept is seen throughout Scripture in the lives of humanity."

And I asked you to show us from Scripture since you mentioned "throughout Scripture". You were challenged and produced nothing. Just talk. And if you cannot give Scripture to support your declaration, doesn't the Word calls you a liar?

Putting faith aside, who needs to growing?
---christan on 1/5/13


pg1, yes, John 6:44 is self-explanatory without any doubt. But you tried explaining it with your own words, such as, "unless you are initially prompted, urged, pulled towards convicted of sin or invited by the Holy Spirit to follow Christ. Once that work happens you can accept or decline salvation as was the case with the rich ruler."

Is that what Christ meant? Sorry but I reject your explanation because you're nowhere close to what you initially said "John 6:44 is self explanatory." Words you used like "prompted, urged, pulled towards, invited, accept" opposes Christ's declaration of how the sinner goes to Him.

So much for "self explanatory".
---christan on 1/5/13


"We don't know. That is why it important not to ignore God when He calls us to salvation as a second chance is not necessarily promised."
pg1 on 1/5/13

Yes. The very reason Paul said,
Hebrews 3:15 "While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation."
Ephesians 4:30 "And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption."
---Nana on 1/5/13




Yes he was drawn to Christ. That is what led him to ask his question. He was also invited to follow Christ but he let possessions stop him. Not saying he lost his chance. We don't know. That is why it important not to ignore God when He calls us to salvation as a second chance is not necessarily promised. Mark 5:18 is not the story of the rich ruler. It is the story of the demoniac. Jesus told him no to staying with him not salvation because he wanted him to witness where he lived about what Christ had done for him.
---pg1 on 1/5/13


John 6:44 is self explanatory. You cannot have a relationship with Christ unless you are initially prompted, urged, pulled towards convicted of sin or invited by the Holy Spirit to follow Christ. Once that work happens you can accept or decline salvation as was the case with the rich ruler.
pg1 on 1/5/13

pg1, as was the case with the rich ruler?

So, you know for a fact, the Father which hath sent me draw him?
Because it sounds like your saying the rich ruler lost his chance.

I dont know, you tell me!
Could it be, the Father had not yet draw him?

And what about, he that had been possessed, Mar_5:18.
Howbeit Jesus suffered him not!

Wow, he didnt even get a chance!
7X77
---TheSeg on 1/5/13


Chrisitan
John 6:44 is self explanatory. You cannot have a relationship with Christ unless you are initially prompted, urged, pulled towards convicted of sin or invited by the Holy Spirit to follow Christ. Once that work happens you can accept or decline salvation as was the case with the rich ruler.
---pg1 on 1/5/13


It's really about following Christ in our daily life!---trey on 1/5/13

Hi, trey,

It's really about following Christ in our daily life or and the consequences of not:

"And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved:"
---aka on 1/5/13


Trey
Your explanation of that text does it a huge injustice. You can ignore it all you want but the botom line is Christ offered him eternal life and he declined.

Christan
It is really sad that you cannot engage in discussions without name calling when challenged. Maybe it is time for you to grow up in the faith. You come off as a really spiritually immature christian despite all the Scriptures you quote.
---pg1 on 1/5/13


"You don't need a specific verse that says man has free will because the concept is seen throughout Scripture in the lives of humanity." pg

So that makes you a liar doesn't it? That's because I can give you verses from the Scriptures that declares there's no such thing as "free-will". So, why can't you? That's because there's no such teachings in there!

Now, try and see if you can fit your "free-will" in these two verses from John 6:44,65:

"No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father."
---christan on 1/5/13


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Hi aka,

Mark 10:17-23 is the account of the rich young ruler who came asking how he could inherit eternal life. The disciples looking at the good man's deeds were astonished when Christ said concerning salvation:
Mr10:27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.
In other words, our good deeds do not save us eternally, Christ does.

Christ's instructions to the young ruler: "go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me." It's really about following Christ in our daily life!

Lord bless you.
---trey on 1/5/13


Christ told the Pharisees what THEY ought to do, Matthew 23:26 "Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also."
God spoke through Isaiah, "Wash you, make you clean, put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes, cease to do evil,
Learn to do well, seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow."

THOU shalt love the Lord thy God
THOU shalt love thy neighbour as thyself
That is man's part. God's part is to reward man's diligency (Hebrews 11:6) with, "Thou art not far from the kingdom of God."
---Nana on 1/5/13


Mark 10:17-23 is all about rejecting Christ and free will.
---pg1 on 1/4/13

Mark 10:17-23 is all about rejecting Christ and God's will.
---aka on 1/5/13


Can't understand how you can believe, free will!
I can understand why you would want to, self-love and pride!

You want to be able to say:
I picked God, I choose to believe, I believe because I love God.

But what you're saying is:
He didn't pick God, he didn't choose to believe, he doesn't believe because he doesn't love God.
Is this what's in the bible?

If the foot shall say, because I am not the hand, I am not of the body,
is it therefore not of the body?
You're saying that's right, you're not!

But (What about) now hath God set the members every one of them in the body,
as it hath pleased him!

You're cutting off your own foot!
Peace
---TheSeg on 1/5/13


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Christan
I did not conveniently leave verses off. I know what the text says. Your argument is that man does not have free will. The texts which others and myself gave proves you are wrong in your theology. You don't need a specific verse that says man has free will because the concept is seen throughout Scripture in the lives of humanity.
---pg1 on 1/5/13


Sis. Shira, we do have a choice, no one argues that. If we didn't God could not judge us wrong. The question is, are our choices good are bad? When we make a choice we have a reason. We do not make spontaneous choices. The reason the Bible does not say God gave man free will is because He didn't. It says the will of man is inslaved to sin. When the will chooses without Christ, it's sin. For anything without faith is sin. The lost are inslaved to sin, separated from God, and needs for God to draw them to Himself and set them free. If He doesn't, they remain inslave to sin separated from God. If we had free will, the Bible would tells us. If we had it, we would be autonomous, a law unto ourselves. Having to answer to no one, just like God is.
---Mark_V. on 1/5/13


\\christian, you can believe what you may and I will believe what I know is right.\\

And heaven help those who disagree with you.

\\ I gave you scripture about choice. we must put scripture in context\\

And where did you get the idea that YOU did that and no one else tries to do so?

Happy New Year!

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 1/4/13


"Mark 10:17-23 is all about rejecting Christ and free will." pg1

And you conveniently left out verses 26 & 27, "And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved? And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible."

And where in those verses of Mark 10:17-23 does it even mentioned it has anything to do with "free-will"? Rather Jesus declared that "With men it is impossible". So, please copy out the verses and prove me wrong, that "free-will" exist.
---christan on 1/4/13


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christian, you can believe what you may and I will believe what I know is right. I gave you scripture about choice. we must put scripture in context. it seems you aren't doing that. I don't want to argue with you over doctrine because I am sound in my doctrine. no one will change what I believe.
---shira4368 on 1/4/13


//But I will show you one verse that contradicts your testimony. Here it is, "And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: WHEREUNTO ALSO THEY WERE APPOINTED."//

I wonder who Peter and Isaiah were addressing?
No doubt the appolnted is Israel

Isaiah 8:14 And he shall be for a sanctuary, but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
---michael_e on 1/4/13


Christan
Mark 10:17-23 is all about rejecting Christ and free will.
---pg1 on 1/4/13


shira, you can kick and scream all you want in declaring, "God GAVE man free will to reject Him." You will never ever find a verse that declares such a testimony in the Holy Bible.

But I will show you one verse that contradicts your testimony. Here it is, "And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: WHEREUNTO ALSO THEY WERE APPOINTED."

Do you understand the meaning of "APPOINTED"? And mind you, "appointed" here refers to God creating reprobates, who will reject the Truth. So where's your "free-will"?
---christan on 1/4/13


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Christan, maybe I should have put it "God is holding out his hand to you." Matthew 11:28-30 says "Come unto me all ye that are weary and heavy laden and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you...." God uses love, not power, to reach us.
---Geraldine on 1/4/13


Joshua,24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.Proverbs 1:29 For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the Lord. Proverbs 3:31 Envy thou not the oppessor, and choose none of his ways. yes, we do have free will to reject or recieve God.
---shira4368 on 1/4/13


christian, God GAVE man free will to reject Him. Yes, if God wanted to He could make man miserable but man still may not accept him. I watched my husband under conviction several times but he rejected God. God did not deal with him after that. I prayed for conviction for my husband and 12 years later,he was under conviction again and he accepted Christ as his Savior. please don't judge people here who believe in free will. I know we have free will even tho markv and others don't believe that. too much scripture saying we do have free will.
---shira4368 on 1/4/13


Isaiah 29:13 "Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:"

Matthew 15:7_8 "Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me."

True today? Surely.

Matthew 23:37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!"
---Nana on 1/4/13


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"God is reaching toward you, but will not thwart your free will--he will let you choose when to reach for him." Geraldine

Can you please provide us with Scripture to support what you've just written?

The god you've just painted sounds like a desperado and does not know what he's doing. If the true God is truly "reaching toward you", wouldn't He reach you? Afterall, He's Almighty, right? And here's the kicker to your understanding: the "sinful" man can actually "thwart" God's will to "try and save you".

Wow! Maybe you're praying to the wrong person (your god) and that's because the "sinful man free-will" is more powerful than your god's will.
---christan on 1/3/13


\\ul. I will tell you this, when God looks at me, all He sees is His Son's blood.\\

Where did you get that idea?

Can you proved BCV, please?

Happy New Year!

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 1/3/13


cluny, I have never said anywhere here or anywhere else that I don't have sin. my body is sinful. I will tell you this, when God looks at me, all He sees is His Son's blood. It covers me. I will tell you something else I've never seen on christianet. If you are saved and you never act saved, God will destroy the body to save the spirit. I've seen that happen in my family. sorry you see me in a different way than I really am. we are all corrupt....even you.
---shira4368 on 1/3/13


Sis. Shira, Your correct. Dead in trespasses an sins, all descendants of Adam find themselves in. Spiritually dead, walking to the course of this world, according to the prince and power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience. who were by nature children of wrath. But God who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved "us" His children even when we were dead in trespasses, made us spiritually alive together with Christ. We were born spiritually dead and physically alive, now we, who are born of the Spirit, our sinful physical body will die, but not our spiritual birth. Our bodies will be glorified one day, and will unite with our spirit to be with the Lord forever, never to die again.
---Mark_V. on 1/3/13


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\\I had a natural birth and a spiritual birth and am dead to my sins and trespasses.
---shira4368 on 1/2/13
\\

I'm sure that anyone who is with you continually for 24 hours can list your day's sins and trespasses by name and number.

If you say you have no sin, shira, you deceive yourself, and the Truth, Jesus, is NOT IN YOU!

Happy New Year!

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 1/2/13


atheist, someday you, as I believe all human beings will, will know God and feel his loving care. Why not believe right now, and enjoy that love, the same way you believe the sun will rise tomorrow. God is reaching toward you, but will not thwart your free will--he will let you choose when to reach for him.
---Geraldine on 1/2/13


Jesus said, "'The Son of Man goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.'" (Matthew 26:24) If Judas would one day be saved, it would be good that he was born, I consider.

And Peter knew the scriptures had foretold about Judas. So, yes, Geraldine, God knew in advance > Acts 1:15-20. He did not "allow" this, but was planning on it. And God uses what evil people do, taking advantage of them for His good purpose, like Jesus did with Judas. He doesn't say it would be better for Jesus, that Judas was not born, but better for Judas! (c:
---willie_c: on 1/2/13


athiest, I don't understand why you ask about God when you don't believe there is a God. What purpose will it serve you? How can anyone explain anything about God to you, when whatever answer is given to you from Scripture you will not believe? If you just want their opinion then everyone has one. If you are looking for opinions, you should ask another athiest who doesn't believe in God either. Now I am not saying it is wrong to be an athiest. In order to be redeemed by God, a person needs to be in rebellion against God, or not believe in God. So there is a need for athiest. God has to supernaturally work a miracle in your heart. Until that happens, you will never believe anything about the Lord.
---Mark_V. on 1/2/13


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Mass killers or criminals were not made overnight, they were made by human acts of omission or commission. If the human beings around them had given them godly care and training(without spoiling them) in their young ages, they would have been among the responsible people today.
---Adetunji on 1/2/13


markv, can I add a little something to your post? I was born twice and I died once...when people reject Christ, they are born once and die twice. I had a natural birth and a spiritual birth and am dead to my sins and trespasses.
---shira4368 on 1/2/13


"So why does he allow them to be born?" atheist

Allow? To say that God "allow" is to say that there is a greater being above Him. Rather, Scripture is explicit and clear in declaring:

"The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil." Proverbs 16:4 - does it say here that God "allowed" evil or that He "made" evil?

It's written, "the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass, I have purposed it, I will also do it" Isaiah 46:11 - do you see "allow" or He "purposed" things to happen?
---christan on 1/2/13


athiest, God gave men free will. I don't understand why some things happen and neither does anyone else. american has turned her back on God and I have a feeling america is watching him turn His back on us. Don't blame God for the misery in the world. man causes all the misery.
---shira4368 on 1/1/13


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If god knows in advance, he also knows the crimes these people will commit, such as a mass murder for instance. So why does he allow them to be born? It would eliminate the suffering they cause and their suffering in hell. Why would god allow such things if he is a loving, and not a sadistic god?
---atheist on 1/1/13


Phil, you give Paul a boast, then contradict his words.
You give ( 1 Cor. 15:22 "For as in Adam "all" die, even so in Christ shall "all" be made alive." We know the second "all" is not all human beings, because in (Gal. 3:26) he says,
"For you are "all" sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus" only those who have faith are sons of God. So the second all cannot mean every individual, since he says only those with faith are of God. All human beings died in Adam, but not all humans beings will be saved, only the sons of God. You are preaching Universalism (the salvation of everyone without faith) Countless passages teach the eternal punishment of the unbelieving.
---Mark_V. on 1/1/13


Phil - 0n 12/29/12 - Christ will abolish death, and all will be made alive in Christ, not Some ????????????????????????

Isaiah 13:9 - BEHOLD the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate , and he destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Daniel 12:2 - AND many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake , some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Luke 13:24 - STRIVE to enter in at the strait gate: for many I say unto you , will seek to enter in ,and shall not be able .

Matthew 25:46 AND These shall go into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into life eternal.

---RICHARDC on 12/31/12


Phil the verse u quoted is for the believer. ALL will not go to heaven. If all would go there would be no use for the Lambs book of life. The judgement wouldn't exist either. Better go back and study more.
---shira4368 on 12/31/12


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Shira: "jerry, all will not be saved. where do you get your information from?"

I agree. I was arguing against Phil's contradictory statements. Please note the quotation marks.


---jerry6593 on 12/31/12


jerry, all will not be saved. where do you get your information from?
---shira4368 on 12/30/12

1Ti 4:10 for this are we toiling and being reproached, that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of believers.

So, reproach me shira.
---Phil on 12/30/12


These two statements are contradictory.
---jerry6593 on 12/30/12

1C 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

All die, do they not? This is clear. We agree, then.

Will all be made alive? This I believe, as in all Scripture.

"But every man in his own order:
1.Christ the firstfruits.
2. they that are Christ's at his coming.
3. Then the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God.

Paul's revelations went beyond John's Unveiling. The end of all things was shown to Paul. No other apostle knew.

He is the Saviour of all men, not some men 1Ti 4:10

Not knowing or believing God is the issue.
---Phil on 12/30/12


Phil: Who made you the judge of others' salvation? Paul was a Jew. Do you think he will be saved?
---jerry6593 on 12/30/12

God will succeed in saving everyone. All Israel will be saved. Where God has not condemned, I cannot either. I do not understand your accusation. I believe all men will one day be made alive in Christ

1C 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Limited knowledge of God's creation plan, theological traditions, and false teachings, all prevent apprehending what God is doing.
---Phil on 12/30/12


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\\The Lord asked why call me Lord and not do as I say?\\

You actually think you do what Jesus says, FoC? This is worse than I thought!


whatever cluny!!! whatever kiss kiss hug hug

for someone who rarely quotes scripture you would be the least of any who truly follow the Lord Jesus Christ.

carry on in you smear campaign and shout ever more loudly how "Christian" you are as you're true hollow shallow colors seem to shine through with every poster you interact with, and as always, never with any holy scripture to share just hate.
---Follower_of_Christ on 12/30/12


jerry, all will not be saved. where do you get your information from? the unsaved's names will not be written in the Lambs book of life. God gave men free will to reject or accept.
---shira4368 on 12/30/12


Phil: Who made you the judge of others' salvation? Paul was a Jew. Do you think he will be saved?

"The second death after resurrection, is death. There is no life in death.

Christ will abolish death, and all will be made alive in Christ. All, not some."

These two statements are contradictory.


---jerry6593 on 12/30/12


God has ordained certain ones to salvation while Israel is locked up in stubbornness.

Eph 1:4 according as He chooses us in Him before the disruption of the world.

It was a secret, not known til revealed to Paul Eph 3:3-6.

It is through Christ's faith operating in us, and not our own efforts.

Others may believe through God's mercy, but the body is predesignated and empowered by God.

All of God's judgments are remedial. No father destroys his children, neither will there be everlasting torment for anyone.

The second death after resurrection, is death. There is no life in death.

Christ will abolish death, and all will be made alive in Christ. All, not some.
---Phil on 12/29/12


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\\The Lord asked why call me Lord and not do as I say?\\

You actually think you do what Jesus says, FoC? This is worse than I thought!

The Bible says that God knows everything. YOU said that God doesn't know everything. Then you call me a liar.

Does this make sense, class?

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/29/12


1 Cor 4:9 For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men.

God knows, but the angels do not know, and others do not know

Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar, as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

1 Peter 1:12 which things the angels desire to look into.


So when God judges the world, and some are destrpyed in the lake of fire, everyone both saved and lost, man and angel will declare that God is just who judges
---francis on 12/29/12


"No God does not know who will obey him." FOC

Your god knows nothing. As for the God of the Bible, He declares -

"...and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love..." - and these are His elect He's talking about.

Those who reject or better known as the reprobates, "...even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed." 1 Peter 2:8

God knows more than you think. And that's because He "ordained/appointed" them who will believe and reject Him.
---christan on 12/29/12



\\No God does not know who will obey him.\\

Then the god you believe in is not omniscient ...and hence you do not believe in the real God.


quite a stretch to make-up that silly conclusion from my post (or blatant lie - you choose)

The Lord asked why call me Lord and not do as I say? The Lord was showing how many would call on him yet will not obey him. Many sincerely believe it is their desire to serve him yet their will (their choice) to not follow and seek his strength to obey him they fall away. Difficult for an unconverted mind to comprehend human beings all have free will to follow the Lord and his examples (turning away from doctrines of demons by men and their traditions)
---Follower_of_Christ on 12/29/12


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Cluny, you need to remember to "disagree in love." If you ARE doing that, it is not showing plainly. I am going to make it my purpose in future blogs not to bring heat to discussions, just warmth.
---Geraldine on 12/29/12


\\No God does not know who will obey him.\\

Then the god you believe in is not omniscient (all knowing), and therefore not omnipotent (all powerful), and hence you do not believe in the real God.

If you do not believe in the real God, you have no business calling yourself a follower of Christ, because you clearly are not one!

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/29/12


f_o_c, please consider the following verses:
1Jo3:20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
God knoweth all things.

Ps147:5 Great is our Lord, and of great power: his understanding is infinite.

Ps139:4 For there is not a word in my tongue, but, lo, O LORD, thou knowest it altogether.

Isa46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

I do not believe that God will be suprised when one of his makes it to Heaven or a wicked man is cast in to hell!
---trey on 12/29/12


Cluny offered an excellent answer.

Jesus knew out of his followers who believed or nor, John 6:64.
However in John 17:20 he said, "Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word"
According to that, the word and the witness bear the record which yields belief.
Example:
John 11:47_48 "Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles.
If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation."

Just getting a glimpse of God:
Luke 12:48
Ezekiel 3:18
---Nana on 12/28/12


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No God does not know who will obey him. Many are called. Many are called by God yet few are chosen. Many are called yet do not want to let go of their life, they do not want to repent of their sins, they do not want to be baptized, or live and walk as the Lord Jesus did. As the Lord asked why call me Lord and not do as I say? Many call on the Lord yet refuse to obey. This may be because they were never truly converted, or because they were never truly called by God. Today is not the only day for salvation and each resurrection provides an opportunity for those who are not called today.
---Follower_of_Christ on 12/28/12


"Does God know in advance which humans will accept Christ and be rewarded..." Geraldine

Is God a fortune-teller that He has to look ahead? Which means that someone more almighty other than Him is in-charged. Far be from it!

There's NO "accept Christ" in the Bible. Here's prove, "According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world... Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will" See anything about the man havving to "accept" here?

Keywords to note: "chosen, predestinated". In the Scriptures, these two words go in tandem with salvation by grace.
---christan on 12/28/12


If god knows in advance, he also knows the crimes these people will commit, such as a mass murder for instance. So why does he allow them to be born? It would eliminate the suffering they cause and their suffering in hell. Why would god allow such things if he is a loving, and not a sadistic god?
---atheist on 12/28/12


One word YES.
---shirley on 12/28/12


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Scott1--yes, I have children, and there were times of disobedience. But I did not want them dead because of it, and burning forever in agony.
---Geraldine on 12/28/12


Here is some scripture for ya:
Eph1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD

1Pe1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
ELECT ACCORDING TO THE FOREKNOWLEDGE OF GOD.

Joh6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
WHEN WERE THEY GIVEN? BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.

That is eternal security of the saints.
---trey on 12/28/12


Do you have children?

do your children rebel against you?

Do you dislike your children when they rebel?

Do you wish that they did not exist when they rebel?

God being a perfect father, a good father feels the same way about us. He loves us still. But he is still holy and must remain apart from sin.
---Scott1 on 12/28/12


"why does he allow them to be born for damnation?"
Geraldine "The LORD has made all for Himself, Yes, even the wicked for the day of doom." Prov. 16:4
For "the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment." 2Pe 2:9
The wicked brings up and out of the just all that is within them for their own examination. That that which opposes who they are in Christ will be recognized, acknowledged, confess, and ultimately purged from them.
---Josef on 12/28/12


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There are many things that need to be included in an explanation.

"For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe." (1 Timothy 3:10)

So, part of the answer is we trust God, whatever is true.
---willie_c: on 12/28/12


Daniel 7:10 the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

Daniel 7:22 judgment was given to the saints of the most High,

1 Cor 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels?

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God:

Revelation 20:4 judgment was given unto them:

In the judgment will be revealed everyone's use of his free will to accept or reject the salvation offered to everyone by God through Jesus

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is... not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
---francis on 12/27/12


Geraldine, y ou are asking the wrong question, because you are making wrong assumptions.

To ask if God knows in advance is to think that God lives in time, remembering some things from the past, seeing present things now, and anticipating others as future.

The truth is God does NOT "know in advance". He simply KNOWS, seeing all of time in His eternal NOW, which is the only correct viewpoint.

How our free will and our life in time fits in with God's knowledge and seeing of NOW is a mystery we won't understand this side of the threshold of the Kingdom of Heaven, and may have better things to think about afterwards.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/27/12


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