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Worldly Church Denominations

How much longer will you believe your worldly denominational churches are the same church as Christ's? If churches" having a population of two billion members" are doing such a wonderful thing in the world, why are we in perilous times as non before? Why are our churches catering to culture?

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Steven G, you said:
"you say you go there because they asked you to help them". Now think: the denominations that have bad doctrines is because they are taught wrong. And you teach in them. Think?
then you say:
"that I say it with hatred in my heart even to the point of praying God to kill the people that I don't like" Not true at all. I love you but I really don't like what you do either, condemn the Church of Christ. I don't want God to kill you, I want Him to change you. The people I want kill or those who molest, rape and murder little children. They are the wicked. You want them to live to do more damage to children.
Third, you told the story of a church not helping you. It was your story.
---Mark_V. on 1/16/13


Mark_V.: "Steven G, you admitted you went and taught in Churches, the same ones you condemn."

Besides, even Jesus went into the temples knowing that they were hypocrits, eh?
---Steveng on 1/16/13


Your church may meet in a home, but it's still a wordly denominational church, Steveng.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/15/13


Mark_V.: "Steven G, you admitted you went and taught in Churches, the same ones you condemn."

I go there because they asked me to help them.

Mark_V.: " And maybe the reason they are bad is because people like you enter them and mess them up."

And you say that with hatred in your heart even to the point of praying to God to kill the people you don't like.

Mark_V.: "...you tried to get help from one and they did not help you, so now you go around condemning all denominations,.."

Twisting my posts again, eh?
---Steveng on 1/15/13


Mark_V.: "Are you the teacher at your home Church?"

My "home" church is anywhere two or more are gathered. Again, do an online KJV bible search of "one another", "each other", "comfort", and "encourag" to find what true christianity is really all about. I also suggest not just reading the following verses, but meditate on them:

1 Corinthians 12:18-27
1 Peter 3:8-9
Ephesians 2:19-22
Matthew 18:20-22
1 John 2:9-11
1 Corinthians 1:9-10
1 Corinthians 3:3-9
John 13:13-17
John 17:20-23
Mark 9:38-42
1 Peter 2:5, 9
Ephesians 2:4-6
1 John 1:6-7
Psalms 133:1-3
Matthew 12:30
1 Corinthians 6:19-20
Acts 1:8
---Steveng on 1/15/13




Steven G, you admitted you went and taught in Churches, the same ones you condemn. And maybe the reason they are bad is because people like you enter them and mess them up. Do you really know why the denomination churches goes bad? Because people that go there bring their own agenda's like you when you teach there. Then you said that one day while on the road roaming the country, you tried to get help from one and they did not help you, so now you go around condemning all denominations, and promoting a home church (gathering) as if there was no tares there. In every visible Church, there is tares, and your church is no exception. Are you the teacher at your home Church?
---Mark_V. on 1/15/13


steveng, you are correct when you say if we all believed the same we could belong to a non denominational church. that is where I break away. some churches build a church on one or two verses in the bible and others don't believe Jesus was deity. some don't believe in sunday church while others think you must do good deeds. I am friends with people who are non denominational and I know they are saved. God bless
---shira4368 on 1/15/13


Cluny: "Steveng, why do you believe YOUR worldly denominational church is...?"

I rarely post within my own blogs, but I'll make an exception.

Why do you and Mark V., and all the others who side with you two, believe I belong to a worldly denominational church? You assume much and are transgressing one of the ten commandments - you shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

AS for belonging to denominational churches, I don't. But I do fellowship with many christians. Do an online KJV bible search of "one another", "each other", "comfort", and "encourag" to find what true christianity is all about - and all can be accomplished without denominational churches.
---Steveng on 1/14/13


\\Moreover, you need to learn the difference between "affect" and "effect."\\
---Cluny on 1/11/13

I just about fell out of my chair, Cluny. good stuff.

You could of showed him the difference so he would of knowed next time

:-)


oh yippee another back slapper!! English is dismissed everyone.

Next time tune in for Professor clunys english lesson and be careful kiddies you don't want to be reprimanded for grammar, spelling, and other infractions and have someone laugh at your mistakes.

Oh no need to fuss about the Word of God, that is not something Cluny could help you with anyways, afterall the Professor is concerned with english not the Word of God.
---Follower_of_Christ on 1/14/13


It is well (it is well) with my soul(with my soul) it is well, it is well with my soul. when peace like a river attendeth my way, when sorrow like sea billows roll.
what ever my lot thou has taught me to say...It is well, it is well with my soul.
---shira4368 on 1/12/13




\\Moreover, you need to learn the difference between "affect" and "effect."\\
---Cluny on 1/11/13

I just about fell out of my chair, Cluny. good stuff.

You could of showed him the difference so he would of knowed next time

:-)
---James_L on 1/11/13


---Cluny on 1/11/13
How are you? I had not seen you in a few days. Is all well with you?
---francis on 1/12/13


francis, you said,

"Matthew 19:18 Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Honour thy father and thy mother: Romans 13:9 Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet, James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill."


Since God said not to do all those things francis, then don't do them. be obedient. The messages are for you also.
---Mark_V. on 1/12/13


\\The church proper in the book of Acts, was a growth church through House Meetings.\\

But the Church in Acts also met in the Temple and Synagogues, as well as in houses.

Moreover, you need to learn the difference between "affect" and "effect."

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/11/13


Derek, denominational churches are turning to generic churchs. they are called non-denominational. the merge all beliefs into one and most are running over with people. they are entertainers without conviction. I see something not right about that scene. I don't mean to hurt any feelings but you know its the truth.
---shira4368 on 1/11/13


The denominational churches are closing as an affect of Apostasy as prophesied in Thessalonians.

This is good.

The church proper in the book of Acts, was a growth church through House Meetings.

The Denominational church is being forced to emerge into the Harlot of Babylon (the RCC), and Revelation 18:4 instructs TRUE Christians to escape Her.
---Derek on 1/11/13


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---RICHARDC on 1/10/13
1: It is not over yet, there are BIG things yet to come, including the tribulation.

Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

the expectation here is that there will be prophets during the tribulation

2: As to whether or not we will know it is from satan

Matthew 24:24 there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Isaiah 8:20

The elect will know
---francis on 1/10/13


Francis - on 1/9/13 - Amos 3:7 - Sure the Lord will do nothing but revealeth his secret unto his saint the prophet :

( This was written when the Bible was still being written, - What I have on this verse is that God opens the eyes of the people he plans to save - Revealeth - and any one that reads from the scriptures ( saints ) is being a prophet. Now If you think there still more scripture coming , How do you Know it not coming from satan - Because satan comes as a angel of light !
---RICHARDC on 1/10/13


---Mark_V. on 1/10/13
Matthew 19:18 Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Honour thy father and thy mother:

Romans 13:9 Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet,

James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill.

1 Peter 4:15 let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief,

Rev 21:8 murderers, idolaters, and liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone:

Francis, Jerry, Jesus, James, John, Paul and Peter are all in agreement with this law that you hate
---francis on 1/10/13


francis, you and Jerry speak the same old thing and the same old law, you put up all that smoke screen about the law for one purpose only, to judge others for not keeping Saturday Sabbath. That is why you keep bringing the written letter of the law. That everyone wants to break the law. And when you see commandments you imply the Ten Commandments. When in reality it's talking about odedience. And with obedience no one does perfect obedience. The reason God chastens those who fail.
---Mark_V. on 1/10/13


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francis, what kind of problem do you think I will have? I don't understand what you are saying. I have no problem with my faith. disagreements over doctrine does not hold water. I am saved and don't care who don't like what I believe.
---shira4368 on 1/9/13


---shira4368 on 1/9/13
OK but you will still have problems with it:

Acts 5:32 the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him

Hebrews 5:9 he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him,

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Rev 14:12 the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit
---francis on 1/9/13


francis, why don't you look in the new testiment. you are quoting the law that was before grace. when I was saved the Holy Spirit came to live in my heart. Holy Spirit isn't something that comes when you obey the law. my flesh gets in the way but when God sees me, He sees the Blood. the old testiment was written before Jesus birth. they had laws, rituals. people were counted as holy if they believed God. the law is so far outdated and you won't convince many christians that we are under the law. we know better than that.
---shira4368 on 1/9/13


Are you saying that we should or we should not obey God's law?
---francis on 1/9/13

This is what you don't get.

As in the OT, Moses holding up the staff for all to see, what do you hold up for the world to see?

Are you holding up Jesus or obedience to the law?

Jesus is the doorway to God, there is no other way. The world needs us as believers to preach Jesus and Him alone. We need to speak with one voice, not many. We need to not be seen arguing about obedience, spiritual gifts, and doctrine nuances. We need to be seen joining hands in brotherly love.

We need to be seen joining hands and holding Jesus high together.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/9/13


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Mark_Eaton on 1/9/13

Are you saying that we should or we shold not obey God's law?

You do not get it
Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man.
---francis on 1/9/13


Psalms 119:11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

Psalms 1:1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

Psalms 1:2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD, and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

Psalms 1:3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season, his leaf also shall not wither, and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

Psalms 1:4 The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.

Psalms 1:6 For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.
---francis on 1/9/13


Posting "Lord Lord" all over CN is worthless unless you do what the Lord says
---francis on 1/9/13

You really don't get it.

You are like the rich young ruler who spoke with Jesus and said "all these I have kept from my youth" but went away sad.

The law is not a contract with God, that if you obey it you obligate God for something.

It is God's love poured into "laws" for our good. Our guard rails that Jesus revealed, hides a bigger problem our wicked heart. God the Father giving us His sons rules for our protection, which out of love we are obliged to follow.

Rom 8:14 "For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God"
---Mark_Eaton on 1/9/13


---Mark_Eaton on 1/9/13
Acts 5:32 the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him,

Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey, whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Posting "Lord Lord" all over CN is worthless unless you do what the Lord says

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
---francis on 1/9/13


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Steveng, why do you believe YOUR worldly denominational church is the same as Christ's Church, and how much longer will you believe it?

You never answered this question.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/9/13


I just quote scripture as they appear, No ranking order
And beside there are very few blogs about Jesus, justification, faith, or salvation. But you should see all my post on Righteousness by faith
---francis on 1/8/13

I find these statements difficult to accept. You choose to blog on the subjects near and dear to you.

The desire of your heart is for the Law, not the Lord. You seemingly lack gratitude for the grace and mercy the Lord has shown to you. You talk of righteousness by faith yet without the Lord our righteousness is as filthy rags. All our obedience to the Law, worship, and sacrifice is as dung before God without the shed blood of Jesus.

It is Jesus who is our joy, peace, contentment, and our hope.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/9/13


--RICHARDC on 1/8/13

Isaiah 8:16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.


Where does God say in what order to put the books?
Where does God say how many books?
Where does God say to made a NT and OT division?
Where does God say about Chapters and verses?

You accept 66 books as a complete bible, I also accept 66 books as a complete bible

I do not accept that the bible is the end of Gods word to us.

I believe that there are prophets yet to come with God's word
Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
---francis on 1/9/13


francis, if you had interpreted the passages in (1 John 2:3 and Rev. 14:12) you would know that what John was talking about was obedience when he said "keep the commandments" He was not talking about the written letter of the Law, or the Ten Commandments, or all 630 of the laws. For no one can keep them all, not even you. The passage in (Rev. 14:12) is talking about the patience of those who are saints already. They didn't become saints by keeping the law or the commandments.
"Here is the patience of the saints, here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" This scripture supports the doctrine of perseverance, which assures all believers in Christ that they will never lose their faith.
---Mark_V. on 1/9/13


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Francis on 1/8/13 - nothing from God that it had to end with revelation --

BUT it is comes down to who's in control of everything - Gods total Sovereignty - And that would be in his word - Bible has 66 books - That's the way God intended in to be - If that Being so --Then there are gospels out there with a smaller authority and others with a wider authority, and others that think prophecy is still coming - making them false gospels.

Matthew 10:29 - ARE not two sparrows sold for a farthing, and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.

Matthew 10:30 - BUT the very hairs of your head are all number.

( God can control all of this - But not his Word ? )
---RICHARDC on 1/8/13


Well, for Steveng, the real question is whether you would say that something ELSE is Christ's church?

The greatest times that the church really got together was the time it met to form the Creed in Nicea and to agree on what books are in the Bible.

From going to many denominations, Orthodox, Catholic, Anglican and Protestant, I find that the higher up the pastor/priest is, the less troubled he is about other denominations - which I consider extremely good
---Peter on 1/8/13


But your answer to blog questions is always the commandments first and Jesus second.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/8/13

No I just quote scripture as they appear, No ranking order
And beside there are very few blogs about Jesus, justification, faith, or salvation. But you should see all my post on Righteousness by faith

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Revelation 14:12 the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

For reasons known to God the law or the commandments come before the testmonies or the nameof Jesus

Psalms 138:2 for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.
---francis on 1/8/13


---RICHARDC on 1/8/13
Well, there is nothing from God that says that it had to end with revealtion.

Nothing from God said in what order to put the books.
Nothing from God as to how many books.
Nothing from God said to made a NT and OT division.
Nothing from God said about Book and verses.
---francis on 1/8/13


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Please shopw me where I have EVER said that anyone is saved by keeping the commandments
---francis on 1/8/13

But your answer to blog questions is always the commandments first and Jesus second. As a believer it should be the opposite, Jesus first and then the commandments.

Our being able to keep the commandments as believers is dependent on first being born again. We cannot keep the commandments on our own strength, it is the Holy Spirit that gives us the ability.

Therefore, to always answer that keeping the commandments is utmost importance is in error, since it has to be the Holy Spirit that enables you to keep the commandments. It is God, Jesus, and the HS that is utmost in the life of a believer.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/8/13


Francis on 1/4/13 --- But God can call another prophet -

For it comes down to who's in total control - That being God - And he give the human race a Book - and it ends with Revelation 22:21 - I think it was done so his word could not be corrupted. If some want's to bring a wider authority - all I can say is Good luck - But I would not touch It,

Revelation 22:13 - I am alpha and Omega , The beginning and the end, first and last.

Isaiah 46:10 - Declaring the end from the beginning, from and from ancient times the things that were yet done
my counsel shall stand, and I will do my pleasure.
---RICHARDC on 1/8/13


---Mark_Eaton on 1/7/13
Many who claim that thier names and in the Books of Life.
Many denominations which claim to be God's cHurch.

What you said about having names in book of life, I have no issues with it

But you cannot tell who has his name in the book of life

but you can identify God's people easily:
1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

Rev 14:12 the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

instead of trying to get aroundGod's word, why not get with it?
---francis on 1/8/13


So based on the BIBLE, the church, the saints are those who keep the commandments of God AND have faith in/of Jesus
---francis on 1/7/13

Please show me in the Bible where it says that those who keep the commandments will be born again/saved by that method.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/8/13

Please shopw me where I have EVER said that anyone is saved by keeping the commandments
---francis on 1/8/13


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So based on the BIBLE, the church, the saints are those who keep the commandments of God AND have faith in/of Jesus
---francis on 1/7/13

Please show me in the Bible where it says that those who keep the commandments will be born again/saved by that method.

You have the cart before the horse.

Saints (Believers in Christ) are already born again by accepting and believing on Jesus. They did not get born again by keeping the commandments. Rather, after they have been born again they keep the commandments to please God.

Getting saved by keeping the commandments is a works-based salvation and is not Biblical.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/8/13


Cluny, what's written in (Rev. 22: 18) are the same warnings given in (Deut. 4:2: 12:32: Prov. 30:6: Jer. 26:2) The warning in (Rev.) were against altering the biblical text which represented the close of the NT canon. Anyone who tampers with the truth by attempting to falsify, mitigate, alter, or misinterpet it will incur the judgments described in these verses. Scripture reminds us (2 Peter 1:20)
"Knowing this first, that "no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation," for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit"
New converts in the Universal Church begin to use their own private interpretations, their own traditions.
---Mark_V. on 1/8/13


When JESUS saves us and we are born again our name is written in the book of life. It is being Born again that gets our name there. Those who love GOD live in love to GOD and others. Read all of first John.

As for the hatred against the trinity that I see spoken here. The doctrine of the trinity is that there is one GOD. Father, son and HOLY SPIRIT into whose name we are baptized. There is little hope for those who hate others just because they do not agree with them.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/7/13


And the ONLY way to become a member of His church is the have your name written in the Lambs Book of Life.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/7/13

Lets see what the BIBLE says:
Revelation 14:12 the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

So based on the BIBLE, the church, the saints are those who keep the commandments of God AND have faith in/of Jesus

It is to those people that salvation is granted
Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him,
---francis on 1/7/13


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shira

I've heard trinity False prophets say, God the Father ( which Is Correct ), god the son & god the holy spirit, which Is Incorrect. 2nd.Cor.11 v 14 has the Man - made family body of the trinity Rev.17 v's 4 - 6 So Mixed Up. How can Most people ( about 70% of people 300 yr's aft the day of Pentecost serve 3 gods? ) 2nd.Cor. 11 v 14 has done it tho.
---Lawrence on 1/7/13


amen Mark Eaton, amen
---shira4368 on 1/7/13


Only those who obey the Lord by keeping the 10 laws of God are part of his church.
---Follower_of_Christ on 1/5/13

Unless I understand the Bible differently than you do, ALL men break the 10 Commandments in either part or in full. No one can keep the Law apart from God.

And the ONLY way to become a member of His church is the have your name written in the Lambs Book of Life.

Believing on the Lord Jesus Christ for Salvation is not the 10 Commandments.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/7/13


REVELATION 22:18 - IF any man shall add unto these things , God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this Book:
--RICHARDC on 1/7/13

Proverbs 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Why did we add other books after Deuteronomy?
Did not Deuteronomy say not to add more?

We added more after Deuteronomy. Why did we add more after Proverbs, did not proverbs say not to add?

There is a slight flaw in your reasoning. We are not to add to what god said in deuteronomy or revelation. But God can call another prophets and add another book
---francis on 1/7/13


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\\REVELATION 22:18 - FOR I testify unto every man that hearth the prophecy of this Book - IF any man shall add unto these things , God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this Book:\\

The context is talking about Revelation, NOT the Bible as a whole. The St. John had not yet written his Gospel, and there might be a couple of epistles that had not been written, either.

Try again.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/7/13


Francis 0n 1/6/13 - P.S No one place in the bible it says word of God is limited to those 66 Books. ??????????????????

REVELATION 22:18 - FOR I testify unto every man that hearth the prophecy of this Book - IF any man shall add unto these things , God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this Book:

REVELATION 22:19 - And if any man - shall take away from the words of the book of prophecy, god shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
---RICHARDC on 1/7/13


Cluny, when the Word of God mentioned traditions, it was talking about the traditions in Scripture already. Not the many traditions of man after Scripture closed. God can call a prophet now if He so chooses. But you can never authenticate a person now is a true prophet. As soon as many of the early church fathers entered the church, they begin to corrupt the word of God with their traditions.
Just look at Origen, he was excommunicated as a heretic. Tertullian, as a Montanist, was under the ban of the Roman bishop. And the list goes on. Hippolytus could not have been a favorite with either Zephyrinus or Callistus, for he denounced both as heretics. As soon as the Church became Universal, all kinds of traditions were added by sinful humans.
---Mark_V. on 1/7/13


FofC you said: "Only those who obey the Lord by keeping the 10 laws of God are part of his church."

Did the thief on the cross who called Jesus "Lord", keep the 10 commandments?

OR did he believe in Jesus?
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever BELIEVES in Him should not perish but have everlasting life"

FofC, the doctrine of works of law you follow is spiritual fornication with Hagar/bondage/law (Gal 4:24).

Instead, God's will for us is to BELIEVE in Jesus (being sanctified by his offering, Heb 10:10) and to ABSTAIN from spiritual fornication, 1Thess 4:3

Repent and believe in Jesus.
---Haz27 on 1/7/13


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"How much longer will you believe your worldly denominational churches are the same church as Christ's?"
No WORLDLY denominational OR nondenominational church is Christs. His "church" is spiritual, the BOC.
As for why do churches cater to culture, simply to draw people in and to profit, which is a deception.
As for doing such ""wonderful things"", just as individually, our righteousness is as filthy rags, so it is with these.
Concerning people getting saved, many have plenty of altar calls, and many respond, but are they responding to the gospel OF JESUS CHRIST, is the gospel even preached. Or are these churches presenting a different gospel?
---Chria9396 on 1/7/13


markv, amen brother. God's Holy Word is our final authority. the churches aren't doing such a wonderful job. many are entertaining platforms and dress competitions. no wonder people aren't getting saved. they see "christians" the way they live and they don't want our churches. God help us live the way we are suppose to live and be a shining light in a world of darkness.
---shira4368 on 1/6/13


Remember that St. Peter himself was told by God to do things that actually went against the Bible as it existed at that time.
---Cluny on 1/5/13
like what?

P.S.

I prefer Jesus is risen.
I wish you would go back to it



When God spoke to Peter, the Bible as we know it was not complete yet. Now that we have it, it is final authority,
---Mark_V. on 1/6/13
REALLY?

So God cannot call another prophet?

I would like to think that God is the final Authority

P.S. Not one place in all the bible does it say that the " word of God" is limited to those 66 books.
There are so many prophets in the Bible who spoke the " word of God," and yet did not have any books written
---francis on 1/6/13


\\When God spoke to Peter, the Bible as we know it was not complete yet. Now that we have it, it is final authority,\\

But nowhere does the Bible itself say it is the final authority.

It does say, "Keep the traditions which you have been taught whether by our word or epistle."

And what authority do you have for 27 books in the NT? God nowhere dictated a list. Please answer THAT question.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan.
---Cluny on 1/6/13


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---Cluny on 1/5/13
Revelation 14:12 the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Deuteronomy 5:22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.

10 commandments are commanded by God HE ADDED NO MORE

613 are mainly LAW OF MOSES
Malachi 4:4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments

Ordinances, statues and judgment are part of the 613 not part of the ten commandments
---francis on 1/6/13


Cluny, happy New Year to you too. But you could do better in your answer. You are comparing what God says is right or wrong with what the RCC says is right or wrong. When God spoke to Peter, the Bible as we know it was not complete yet. Now that we have it, it is final authority, but only to those who believe in the Word of God. What was given to Israel was not what is given to the New Covenant people. They had to do certain things that were only symbolic of the fulfillment through Jesus Christ. Things that were done before, were to change, the reason you disagree with francis and Jerry.
---Mark_V. on 1/6/13


\\Only those who obey the Lord by keeping the 10 laws of God are part of his church.\\

WRONG!

There are 613 laws of God in the OT.

Christ is baptized. In the Jordan.
---Cluny on 1/5/13


I never said there were 3 gods. there is one God but 3 parts. Father, Son, Holy Spirit
---shira4368 on 1/5/13


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shira
I Only find ONE God, NOT 2 or 3, Just ONE.
Only ONE & Jesus Is His Name.
---Lawrence on 1/5/13


Lawrence I absolutely agree with you. the trinity is all thru God's Word.
---shira4368 on 1/5/13


Only those who obey the Lord by keeping the 10 laws of God are part of his church.

The Lord asked why call me Lord and not do as I say? Why call the Lord (your master hence obedience to him) and not do as he commands, instead the churches that cater to culture (culture of the world and its god Satan, its ways, its traditions all an abomination to the Lord)and all are far from the Lord. The Lord said many would call on him and he would tell them he never knew them, the only ones who hear the Lords voice are the ones who obey him. An unconverted mind cannot understand the the vine is Christ and their branches are cast forth because their unconverted minds are deceived to follow men that teach against God and practice lasciviousness.
---Follower_of_Christ on 1/5/13


\\you do not believe the Bible is final authority.\\

Neither does the Bible.

Remember that St. Peter himself was told by God to do things that actually went against the Bible as it existed at that time.

Happy New Year!

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 1/5/13


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Ruben, no, of course not. I am not infallible. Only God is. I do not defend any denomination Ruben. Most who do, compromise some part of the Bible to defend their church. In your case, you do not believe the Bible is final authority. You believe in your churches traditions and their authority, just like all other denominations. So you are bias. You care more about your church then the Truth. Which is fine. You are not along.
---Mark_V. on 1/5/13


Apostle Peter delivered Acts 2 v 38 to The Jewish people First on the day of Pentecost. The rest of Apostles taught the Very Same, because God is NOT double minded, to give the others something else - dif to preach.
The light for the trinity teachings came from here 2nd.Cor. 11 v 14 ( it talks about his ministers in v 15. Rev.17 v's 4 - 5, the family body of the trinity churches. )
Father - Son & The Holy Ghost Is One. And Jesus Christ Is His name. Acts 2 v 38 Fulfills Mat. 28 v 19.
---Lawrence on 1/5/13


lawrence, I do apologize. I re read your post and it still seems like it did in the beginning. sometimes I don't have a way with words. yes, I believe in God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost.
---shira4368 on 1/4/13


What is Truth we should defend no matter who teaches it. Not the wrong traditions or doctrines the RCC or anyone else teaches.
---Mark_V. on 1/4/13

Are you claiming to be infallible???
---Ruben on 1/4/13


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\\we are to call no man father but God.\\

And I bet you can't say what the NEXT verse says without looking it up, shira.

St. Paul and St. Stephen both addressed gathering in synagogues as "men, brethren, and FATHERS". St. John wrote in one of his letters, "I write this to you, FATHERS."

As far as not having ritual, EVERY CHURCH has some kind of ritual. It may not be elaborate. It may not be written down. But it's still there.

Our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ Himself participated in ritual worship and NEVER condemned it on those grounds.

Revelation describes the worship of heaven as being elaborate ritual.

Happy New Year!

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 1/4/13


Sis. Shira, I believe you misunderstood Lawrence. He is not in favor of the Catholic Church. He is not in favor of the Trinity either. I have seen him pop-up now and then, always against the Catholic Church and the Trinity. In no way does he defend the RCC. We defend the RCC in the doctrine of the Trinity. What is Truth we should defend no matter who teaches it. Not the wrong traditions or doctrines the RCC or anyone else teaches.
---Mark_V. on 1/4/13


lawrence, please show me where the catholic church is in the bible. it isn't in my king james bible. we are to call no man father but God. catholics can't say that. we are to have no other Gods before us...we don't pray to mary. our intercessor is Jesus Christ. we don't have ritual like catholic church. I still believe our demonination tells others what we believe. I have a great friend who is catholic but she never mentions it to me.
---shira_4368 on 1/4/13


Also, there are worldly people who welcome and create excuses to self-righteously criticize others.

Paul knew the right way to use culture to reach people. "For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win the more, and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews, to those who are under the law, as under the law, that I might win those who are under the law, to those who are without law, as without law (not being without law toward God, but under law toward Christ), that I might win those who are without law, to the weak I became as weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some." (1 Corinthians 9:19-22)
---willie_c: on 1/3/13


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Worldly church denominations. The family body of the trinity churches, Rev.17 v's 4 - 6, Beginning with the roman cath church.
---Lawrence on 12/31/12


Well I must say this once more. I am what I am because of what I believe. If I believed another doctrine I would not be in my church. I am baptist (not southern baptist either) and my church is part of the body of Christ.
---Shira4368 on 12/31/12


Because John 3:16 says God so loved the world that he came..."

The church is the bride of Christ. We may get things wrong but God still loves us.

John 17:15 "I do not ask that you take them out of the world..."

We have a few examples of churchs trying to be separate from the world Bob Jones University in Greenville, SC the Puritians, the Pharissees, the Protestants and the Catholics wars of England. Culture is not a bad thing it can be used to spread the gospel. Jesus used culture for example "A sower went out to sow... Matthew 13:3.
---Scott1 on 12/31/12


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