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Hobby Lobby Government Fines

Hobby Lobby begins 1.3 million of fines daily by government for refusal to participate in baby killing through Obamacare. As a Christian how do you feel that US government is exercising force by method of extortion (under guise of Obamacare) demanding all US citizens pay for abortions?

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bro.Francis,legal here. MI.
you can leave a baby library,hospital, any police station, church NO Questions asked" at laundrymat a lady ask "watch my baby going to store see you all the time, I trust you" 10:30pm NOT back! Me & clerk call 911/ officers & social worker in tow! baby so sweet & lovable baby boy!' Never find mother.Eventually, one of the officers & his wife year later, they say adopt baby! Well, we agree to disagree. God is in control. I learn young, be prayerfull, Thank God He has taught me alot of things about His sovereignty. little by little God get my thoughts process back on track..Chemo. God bless you. He work it out.
---ELENA on 1/22/13


Francis, if you want to talk about abortion as a christian, you can start and end with "thou shall not murder". So let me get this straight, are you still claiming to be against abortion now or is that just when it's convenient for you? Do you perhaps suffer from multiple personality disorder or something?
---Jed on 1/22/13


If you want to debate termination of a pregnancy as a christian, you have to start with the bible: Numbers 5:29 the law of jealousies,

If you want to do so as a seculariest, then you have to include programs that help prevent pregnancy and help people keep their babies,
1: Adoption without stigma
2: Church stop making unwed mothers and thier children second class citizens
3: Education on birth control, and easy access to contraception is a must
4: Social programs that help FAMILIES: SS, WIC, social seurity, Low income housing, unemployment insurance, birth control as part of medial incurance, Medicaid,
5: Education that teaches that life starts at conception, and that terminaton of a pregnancy is termination of life
---francis on 1/22/13


---ELENA on 1/21/13
My response to you is this:

Numbers 5:26 And the priest shall take an handful of the offering, even the memorial thereof, and burn it upon the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water. And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people.

What do you think happens to the baby if the woman was defiled?

All abortions debates MUST START HERE

If we cannot start here with honesty, then we cannot get anywhere
---francis on 1/22/13


Bro.Francis, thankyou for your response. I had some friends who are adventists like yourself, and I guess it just tell you truth. If you advocate approve of abortion.It just you have these O.T. teachings which of coarse, I know you all stay in the law.To answer God always makes a way if we listen, seek Him, open the door he provides for me, I do nor have no family here, it been times I had to pray could not move & God sent someone to see about me. Every situation.
Is there anything Too Hard for the Lord? Common now brother women have options... I put. Many posts give example. Love of Jesus!
.
---ELENA on 1/21/13




Francis, you've already lost the conversation by lying when you said you do not support abortion and that abortion is wrong. Now you are trying to prove that abortion is not wrong and that it is acceptable. You are a flat out liar and you have no truth in you.
---Jed on 1/21/13


---ELENA on 1/20/13
Numbers 5:26 And the priest shall take an handful of the offering, even the memorial thereof, and burn it upon the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water.
Numbers 5:27 And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people.

TWO simple question before we beging:
1: What do you think happens to the baby if the woman was defiled?

2: You said " god always makes a way" What ways do you see that God has made?
---francis on 1/21/13


Thanks again! BroJed ..post/1-18/13.
You know you are correct!

if I am to understand bro.Francis with all respect to you persons of color like myself, you would have objections? If you are a christian you should not be racist.
I am NOT accuse you, merely trying to understand your posts. There need to be clarify .. your position
Love of Jesus! ELENA
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---ELENA on 1/20/13


Oh! My goodness! Bro.Francis, please. ..I can not believe the words..Murder1 is Not An Option it is a crime. God eyes! & mine, Christians Mainly.. most young women get pregnant for sometimes, nobody teach them..but, God makes a way..Long as I been on here, have told How my mother try to kill us, twins we were...God did. Not leave us desolate & so, yes! A lady relative raise me. It was hard but thank God He honor me & my sister to live in spite of that is so important! God meant for us 2 girls be in this world. Thankfull & yes! I forgave her.. God is a Real ! God He will preserve
All we got to do is believe & trust/ obey Him.. love of jesus!
---ELENA on 1/20/13


To followerofchrist, you are really making a very important point! Yes! It is upsetting , abortion should be illegal, they are more concerned about control the nation, they have lost the true principles that ions ago people gave up to see things be better.Truly sad we cannot pray in a school yard for safety for the youth, yet, it legal to punish / kill a baby six months or less in the womb so how sound is that?God help us..
---ELENA on 1/20/13




---Jed, All I asked you was ONE SIMPLE question: What do you think happens to the baby if the woman is defiled/ pregnant by another man?

No christian can have an honest debate on abortion without answrring this question


Numbers 5:26 And the priest shall take an handful of the offering, even the memorial thereof, and burn it upon the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water.
Numbers 5:27 And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people
---francis on 1/20/13


Bro.Jed with all respect you are absolutely Right! Your post 1/20/13
men alot of times, have zero knowlege young woman go to commit this horror! my late boyfriend believe it or not wanted me to kill our child! He said. He not going to be there if I kept baby (in utero) well, he lived up to that but, my family was there for me. He even offer money! unbelieveble! I would never fanthom doing that. God help us!
---ELENA on 1/20/13


I don't think that people want to abort thier pregnancies just tokill a baby.

It is because they have no hope that they do such things.

Examples: A mother pregnant for the 4th time, spouse not working, how will she care for the 4 children. Now abortion is an option

A young pregnant girl, sings in the church, now she is pregnant, has to face the jeers of the church. Now abortion is an option

A young woman, married, educated, on a carrer path gets pregnant. If she takes time for her baby will lose all that she has worked for. Now abortion is an option

A young teenager, pregnant. If her parents find out she is out fo the house. Has no where to go. Now abortion is an option
---francis on 1/20/13


So Francis, you lied when you said you were against abortion and that you believe abortion is wrong and no one should ever get an abortion. Because here you are now trying to twist scripture (once again) to explain why abortion is acceptable to God. Us Christians know that God does not approve of this murder and no scripture that you isolate and twist is going to change who God is.
---Jed on 1/20/13


I don't know how we can continue this and call ourselves Christians. Someday we will be faced with the horror of what we are allowing to happen I think of all the immaciated bodies piled like cordwood in the Nazi camps. Lord, come quickley and stop this madness!
---Sherri on 1/20/13


---Jed on 1/20/13
Numbers 5:26 And the priest shall take an handful of the offering, even the memorial thereof, and burn it upon the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water.
Numbers 5:27 And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people.

What do you think happens to the baby if the woman was defiled?

All abortions debates MUST START HERE
If we cannot start here with honesty, then we cannot get anywhere
---francis on 1/20/13


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How much clearer can I be?
---francis on 1/19/13


Simply answering the question I asked would be much clearer than posting scriptures that have little or nothing to do with the topic. Why won't you just answer the question?

You try to make it out as if abortion is a victimless crime. You called it "two consenting adults making their own choices". Shows how far disconnected from reality you really are. For one thing, it's not two adults (father's have no say in abortions), and secondly, you completely and intentionally disregard the fact that there is an innocent victim who didn't give consent. The mother isn't just making a decision that will only affect herself. Another life is being killed.
---Jed on 1/20/13


-Jed
Daniel 3:1 Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold..And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth shall the same hour be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace.

Daniel 3:16 Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, answered the king, ... be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.

Daniel 6:7..establish a royal statute, and to make a firm decree, that whosoever shall ask a petition of any God or man for thirty days, save of thee, O king, he shall be cast into the den of lions...king Darius signed the decree.

Daniel 6:10 Daniel prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did aforetime.

How much clearer can I be?
---francis on 1/19/13


Francis, again you refuse to answer the question. But I think you are saying you don't believe in laws or government at all then. Including laws that prevent innocent people from being hurt or killed. But your refusal to just answer the question plainly tells me that you know your thinking is wrong.
---Jed on 1/19/13


---Jed on 1/18/13
Judges 17:6 In those days there was no king in Israel, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes.

2 Cor 5:11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men,

My job as a christian is not to tell the government what laws they should and should not pass, it is to tell the world about God

I am not interested in forcing people to do right, I am interested in getting people to use their God given free will to CHOOSE to do what is right.

It is not the GOP that leads us into all truth is it GOD

I am not interested in evangelism through legislation

Daniel 3:18 be it known unto thee, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.
---francis on 1/19/13


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We are not a christain nation, this is a secular nation
---francis on 1/18/13

America is a nation of 85%+ Christians, so who is doing all the abortions?
---francis on 1/18/13
---Jed on 1/18/13


So Francis, I'm still not sure you have answered the question. Just to be clear, you do support abolishing all laws and legalizing rape, theft, murder, assault & battery, and other crimes which involve a victim so that each person can make their own choice of doing right or wrong? Because, as you just stated, that was your reason for supporting legalized abortion, even though you agreed abortion is wrong. So apparently you don't think we should have laws preventing people from harming other people, even including taking their life?

I didn't realize you were an anarchist.
---Jed on 1/18/13


not everyone agrees that a fetus / zygote is a human being. We cannot force people to accept the idea that a fertilized egg is human. We are not a christain nation, this is a secular nation
---francis on 1/18/13


Some men see women as subjects rather than equals. Does that mean we should legalize assault and battery and rape? Some people think other races are less than human and would be better off dead. Should we allow the KKK to kill blacks just because they don't value blacks as humans? Just because some people have a twisted view of right and wrong or don't value other human lives as much as their own doesn't mean we should legalize crimes to accomodate every nutjob out there that doesn't think all people are equal.
---Jed on 1/18/13


America is a nation of 85%+ Christians, so who is doing all the abortions?
---francis on 1/18/13


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francis...wow!
---aka on 1/18/13
WOW, why wow?
did you see anything whatsoever in the law of jealously that says it is manditory?

Do you see any consequences for not going through with it by either party?
---francis on 1/18/13


francis...wow!
---aka on 1/18/13


aren't you in favor of what God authorizes?
---aka on 1/16/13

Not really because God authorizes us to be who we true are which is evil. God authorized Adam and Eve to sin. However, in authorizing us to be who we are, we get to love him the way he loves us by choice.
---Scott1 on 1/18/13


--aka on 1/17/13

Numbers 5:29 This is the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside to another instead of her husband, and is defiled, Or when the spirit of jealousy cometh upon him,

This is a CHOICE that both the husband and wife must make.
It is not automatic that if a man suspects his wife is pregnant for another man that he has to do this

Also see verse
Numbers 5:22 And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.

If the woman CHOOSES not to go along with this, she cannot be forced to say " amen amen

Jed, not everyone agrees that a fetus / zygote is a human being. We cannot force people to accept the idea that a fertilized egg is human. We are not a christain nation, this is a secular nation
---francis on 1/18/13


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---Jed on 1/17/13
Judges 17:6 In those days there was no king in Israel, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes.

Having a nation with no laws, is not that unusual.

There is a king, and a kingdom which has laws that christians follow.

I am not amazed how so many here scoff at the laws of God, the dietary laws, the sabbath commandment, the law of jealously, yet will hold the laws of man as superior!

If you CHOOSE to serve God of you own free will, what does it matter if the law of the land is to have abortions or to bow down to a golden image?
---francis on 1/18/13


I ust ask this in ernest: Would be be happy being forced to do what is right?
---francis on 1/17/13


When it's a matter of harming another human being, absolutely. Isn't that the whole reason we have laws? If everyone was free to act on their own sick desires then there would be no laws.

I answered your question now you answer mine. Are you in favor of abolishing all laws, since you say people should be allowed to do choose to do whatever they want(even when it involves taking another life)?

Funny though how you don't think people should be able to choose not to financially support other people's abortions.
---Jed on 1/17/13


francis, so, i showed you now are you going to answer the question?

please everybody...give francis a chance to reply.
---aka on 1/17/13


\\So you would be in favor of legalizing theft?

Would you be in favor of legalizing assault and battery?

How about legalized rape?\\
---Jed on 1/16/13

Good points, Jed.

And though you were asking them in a rhetorical manner, I think francis ought to answer.

Well, francis. What say you?
---James_L on 1/17/13


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Tell me Francis, you say people should be allowed to make whatever choices they want, even ones that you know are wrong.
---Jed on 1/16/13

That is what a choice is
If you cannot do what is wrong, then you are forced to do what is right

I want everyone to CHOOSE to do what is right, not be forced to do so.

I ust ask this in ernest: Would be be happy being forced to do what is right?
---francis on 1/17/13


"Explain Pro Choice To Me"
--James_L on 1/16/13
Pro choice means that I support peoples right to make thier own choices. Especially consenting adults who have been informed of their options.

I am not pro abortion. I do not believe that anyone should abort their child even if they have the choice to do so.
---francis on 1/17/13


Tell me Francis, you say people should be allowed to make whatever choices they want, even ones that you know are wrong. So you would be in favor of legalizing theft? Would you be in favor of legalizing assault and battery? How about legalized rape? Of course not, but abortion being murder is worse than any of those. Yet you are in favor of legalized abortion although you claim you don't believe in it. If you are really believe people should be able to make whatever choices they want, regardless of right or wrong, then you would be in favor of abolishing all laws.
---Jed on 1/16/13


//Show where i am in favour of abortions// ---francis on 1/16/13

Your fanaticism for the liberals is clearly consenting support for their agenda on abortion/killing over 2,800 babies a day in the USA.

Thou shalt not kill.

---Haz27 on 1/16/13


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//Show where i am in favour of abortions// ---francis on 1/16/13

From Rape Pregnancies God's Will:

//And God does authorize abortions in the case of pregnancy by adultery, even when the woman is not raped.// francis

aren't you in favor of what God authorizes?
---aka on 1/16/13


You do know that the post stay online forever
so post what i said
Show where i am in favour of abortions
---francis on 1/16/13


Are you kidding? We've all seen you rant time and time again, twisting some scriptures in Leviticus or Numbers trying to justify abortions. If you are so much for people having the right to choose something even if you don't agree with it, why don't you support an employers right not to support abortions financially? Also, do you think outright murder should be legal, even if you don't agree with it?
---Jed on 1/16/13


\\Show where i am in favour of abortions\\
---francis on 1/16/13

Really, francis ?? who are you trying to bamboozle?

ANYBODY can look at the thread
"Explain Pro Choice To Me"

and see that you expended a great amount of time and energy to defend abortions.

And you weren't defending the choice, but the abortions themselves.

So don't try that bull crap now. Like you said - it's on the internet forever, right?
---James_L on 1/16/13


francis,
after all that you post defending abortions you really expect us to buy that last line of yours?
---James_L on 1/16/13

You do know that the post stay online forever
so post what i said
Show where i am in favour of abortions
---francis on 1/16/13


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francis,
after all that you post defending abortions you really expect us to buy that last line of yours?

Romans 1:28-32
...God gave them over to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done...murder...though they know God's decree that thos who practic such things deserve to die, they...give approval to those who practice them
---James_L on 1/16/13


---Jed on 1/16/13
I am opposed to abortions
I do support everyone right to choose
And I know that the concept of not supporting something, and yet supporting someone right o choose the very thing you do not support is strange language to republicans
---francis on 1/16/13


You would like your tax dollars to go to a righteous cause, not the taking of innocent lives, I would like the same thing also
---francis on 1/15/13


Yet you continue time after time to support legalized abortion and you defend radically pro-abortion politicians. Do you know the meaning of the word hypocrite?
---Jed on 1/16/13


it disgust me to know my tax money goes for abortions. america has much blood on her hands.
---shira4368 on 1/15/13
Understandable
You would like your tax dollars to go to a righteous cause, not the taking of innocent lives, I would like the same thing also
---francis on 1/15/13


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Really Francis? That's funny cause last time I heard Hobby Lobby wasn't providing that insurance. Either way you lose in the end. Anti-christian democrats will get what they've got coming, you can be sure of that.
---Jed on 1/15/13


Haha, comments like that who us that Francis knows he's lost an argument.
---Jed on 1/15/13
NADA, no way, UH UH
Hobby Lobby must pay the insurance

WE win
---francis on 1/15/13


francis, there is more going on in public than holding hands. do you realize how much insurance is? no one can afford it and that is why the emergency rooms are full. my son does not have insurance because it cost appr 600.00 to 800.00 per month and that is with a high deductable. I am blessed to have tri care for life but even that isn't what it use to be. it disgust me to know my tax money goes for abortions. america has much blood on her hands.
---shira4368 on 1/15/13


Haha, comments like that who us that Francis knows he's lost an argument.
---Jed on 1/15/13


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Health insurance can be obtained without an employers contributions. And medical care can be obtained without health insurance.
---Jed on 1/13/13

To all republicans, please join us in this century. Many things have changed:
We now have a NEW KJV
We no longer pay physicians with chickens
Companies now provide health insurance for employees
Married men and women can hold hands in public, in-fact men and men can hold hands in public
---francis on 1/14/13


private companies are required to provide health insurance.
---francis on 1/13/13


Yes, that is the very problem we are discussing. Glad you finally caught up.

BTW: No one ever suggested that employers should decide what is the best health care for their employees. Not providing health care has nothing to do with making health decisions for an employee. Health insurance can be obtained without an employers contributions. And medical care can be obtained without health insurance.
---Jed on 1/13/13


Let me broaden the field:

1:Hobby Lobby does not believe in intimacy out of marriage.

2: Hobby Lobby does not believe in same partner marriage

3: Hobby Lobby does not believe in abortions

4: Hobby Lobby does not believe in adultery

Does that mean if you are part of a same partner couple they will not hire you?

Does that mean if you are a single pregnant female they will not hire you

Does that mean if you are having an affair and married they will not hire you

Or does that mean if you are
single male the insurance will not provide viagra for you?

Does that mean their insurance will not provide birth control pills for a single female?
---francis on 1/14/13


Hobby Lobby is not a government agency, it's a private one.
---Jed on 1/12/13

private companies are required to provide health insurance, they do not get to decide what constitutes health care, or what is best for the health of their employees.
---francis on 1/13/13


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Francis, the problem is that it's an infringement upon the employer's rights to make them provide something they believe is wrong, whether you agree or not. It's their business and it should be their choice what values they are going to promote in their business. The employees choose to work there and if their employers don't want to provide abortion pills, they can a) get them on their own, or b) go work somewhere else. Owners should have the right to incorperate their own personal beliefs into their business practices however they choose. Hobby Lobby is not a government agency, it's a private one.
---Jed on 1/12/13


Well, I think these people has found some-kind of a loop-hole in the law where they won't have to pay this large fine to the Government. May I remind you people that this nation elected this man into office, of whom God warned me about before the first election when he would be placed in power. Everyone seemed to worship him. Now, bite the dust.
---pat on 1/12/13


Christians are never required to obey a godless law.
---pat on 1/12/13
AMEN
and although the abortion pill, and birth control pill is available to everyone at no increase in insurance costs. no christian has to ever use it.

Alcohol and tobbaco are legal in America, no christian has to use it

Just because something is legal does not mean one has to use it

Hobby Lobby will be required by law to pay medical cost for anyone who get cancer, or liver disease through use of tobacco and alcohol
---francis on 1/12/13


I am so proud of hobby lobby for not quiting. anyone can quit but it takes the power of God to stick to it and not give in to satan. I almost believe washington is the great satan. they act like it. I will support them by buying from them. since I make jewelry I have supported them a lot.
---shira4368 on 1/12/13


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When I first heard this on the news, I was thinking, why they don't just close the business, rather than obey this wicked Government. Christians are never required to obey a godless law. God will reward us. God is the Person who has the power to take you to heaven. God is the Person who has the power to place you into hell. No human person has that kind of power. We must obey the living God.
---pat on 1/12/13


It requires them to provide health insurance that specifically provides the abortion pill.
---Jed on 1/11/13

And your problem with that is....?

Does Hobby Lobby have a law that says you are forbidden to get pregnant through rape while in it's employee?
---francis on 1/12/13


Francis, you are incorrect. The law does not simply require Hobby Lobby to just provide any health insurance. It requires them to provide health insurance that specifically provides the abortion pill. So you lie when you say there is no law that requires them to provide abortion pills.

Yes health insurance is a good thing. Providing health insurance doesn't have to mean providing abortions. Abortions are not a good thing. Under the new law, providing health insurance now does mean providing abortion.
---Jed on 1/11/13


Hobby Lobby, based on the number of people who it employs, is required to provide health insurance for it's employees. There is no law that requires anyone to pay for abortions

Having health insurance is a good thing. It means that we can get preventive care, and not have to be seen in the ER for out of control blood sugar, out of control blood pressure and other diseases which can be better managed by a primary or family car physician.

Having birth control pills is a good thing. It helps control how many children you have.
In some cases birth control pills help regulate the undesirably effects that are occasionally accounted with a female's monthy cycle
---francis on 1/11/13


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If anyone needs our prayers it's President Obama.

By taking verses presented without purpose of prayer then missing key ingredient of all prayer and that is praying for Gods will to be done. It is Gods will that USA will be taken into captivity a feat that can most likely only happen if the nation is destroyed from within and Obama very well may be that man who has been chosen by God to fulfill that prophecy.

Yet imagine this rogue government called the USA, as it stands now with its dictator Obama, having ability to extort money from a business?? And how about those smaller paychecks this week with added taxes and not one thing was removed from the government payroll, only those not idolizing Obama can see the evil.
---Follower_of_Christ on 1/11/13


Trish, Peter, Haz, Jed, FOC, and all the rest of you my friends on Christianet, I know we do not always agree, but could I just ask that we all stop and take some time to pray daily for our nation and it's leaders.

1Tim2:1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men,
1Tim2:2 For kings, and for all that are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

If anyone needs our prayers it's President Obama.
---trey on 1/9/13


Here I see that there is a problem with basic facts

Until these can be set straight, there will be no proper debate - each person states the facts differently.

If we argue with different base facts, no debate can work out

So I will not come back, because this will break down into a simple argument

If there was someone who could give me the REAL facts, I would

But each side is calling the other side a liar

So why bother listen to that?
---Peter on 1/8/13


Trish. Neither side of politics is good. It's better to trust in God instead.

I don't have Fox news and no doubt your criticisms of it are correct. But I've seen proof that the liberal media are so corrupt and decietful that they are at least just as bad as Fox, if not worse due to their dominance of public debate/thought control.

Your support for corrupt liberals shows you've been deceived. You argue for compassion, yet you contradict this by your consenting support for the liberals agenda on the massacre of over 2,800 babies a day in the USA. This shows your values are distorted by your misplaced political loyalty.

Trust God instead of politicans and the media.
---Haz27 on 1/8/13


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Trish: You don't know what you are talking about. I have seen the president mock and criticize christians and christian values countless times on television. Also, All of the developed countries that have socialized medicine DO face the threat of Communism! Socialism and communism go hand in hand. Plus, many of these countries also offer free college educations to their citizens, which is exactly why they are drowning in debt almost as much as we are! You really need to stop watching NBC News. They've been proven to lie on an ongoing basis. Like when they edited the 911 tapes from the Trevon Martin case to make it appear as if Zimmerman was a racially motivated in a disgusting and corrupt attempt to incriminate a man who acted is self defense.
---Jed on 1/8/13


Trish, I have known the Lord for over 45 years. I have about as much muslim blood in me as obama has "christian" blood in him. By the way, in case you are wondering, I have no muslim blood in me.
Jim
---Jim on 1/7/13


Trey: You don't know what you are talking about. I have seen the president give his testimony on how he is a Christian twice on national television. Also, how is it that all the rest of the developed countries can manage to have socialized medicine with no threat or fear of Communism? Plus, many of these countries also offer free college educations to their citizens. You really need to stop watching Fox News. They've been proven to lie on an ongoing basis. They've even admitted that they make up a lot of their news reports c
---Trish on 1/7/13


As God's people I believe we are going to get what we deserve:
1Sam8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.

Obama is not a Christian! What do you expect? He is a muslim. He hates Israel and Christianity.

Obamacare is the first step in moving us away from capitalism to socialism and eventually communism.

Honestly our only hope is prayer and repentance.
---trey on 1/7/13


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Are all Hobby Lobby employees Christians? Do not Christians & non-Christian employees have the ability to choose whether they'll do right or wrong?

a bit pointless if they are not Christian if they want a job by this family employer or any employer then it is up to the employee to determine if the values and mission statement of the company is something they themselves are true to, or if the employer is just a paycheck.

If the employer is just a paycheck then they can take their non-Christians 'selves off the payroll and find employment elsewhere, because I'm very sure in this economy they will have thousands of people looking to take their positions.
---Follower_of_Christ on 1/7/13


Hi, I'm probably going to be flogged for saying this, but Planned Parenthood also provides birth control and health care to women who otherwise couldn't afford it. They even diagnose cancer in some cases. They are not ALL bad.
---Mary on 1/7/13


Jed
Your information is wrong about Planned Parenthood.
---pg1 on 1/7/13


Genghis Khan slaughtered people who were not his own, in order to get what he wanted. Adolph Hitler killed Jews and other group people whom he considered to be less than he was. Ones of the Inquisition, the South, and communism have singled out certain groups as being not fit to be treated like humans. And this was done by other evil people against sovereign tribal peoples and Mexicans. All along, worldly people have had their way of picking out groups that they decide it is ok to kill in order to get what they want. Now the unborn are a group they say it is ok to kill. After ones have done their killing, then is when they say let us have peace!
---willie_c: on 1/7/13


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jed, the american tax payer pays for many things that is against being a christian. we support abortions, pay people to eat, houseing, school, telephones. welfare is 30% higher than it was last year. that is also against what the bible teaches. we have an anti-christ gov.
---shira4368 on 1/7/13


Every wage earner in America who pays income taxes is already paying for abortions through government funding of planned parenthood, who's primary focus is providing free abortions to pregnant teenagers. And yes, every christian should be outraged by this. Although most on this site are not Christians. I'm sure they'll show up shortly to voice their pro-abortion and pro-tyrrany opinions.
---Jed on 1/6/13


Evil is not the final decider.

If I was operating a hospital and the government demanded that I cooperate with killing unborn people > I might first ask, where is the formal written declaration of surrender of the U.S. Constitution to you who demand killing of unborn people? We consider all to be created equal, and military people are under oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies, "foreign or domestic."

So, if ones hold our hospital's patients and money hostage in order to make us meet their demands to kill the unborn, no we will not negotiate with such terrorism.

We would continue to operate the hospital as well as possible. We would not fight, because our kingdom is not of this world (John 18:36).
---willie_c: on 1/6/13


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