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Is there any scripture which says all go to heaven?

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follower, are you saying you don't believe heaven exist. read John 14. Let not your heart be troubles, ye believe in God believe also in me. In my Fathers house are many mansions. If it were not so I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you and if I go to prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you unto myself that where I am, there ye may be also. do you think it was an accident that Jesus profession on earth was a carpenter? I get so excited when I think about it. I think it is obvious Jesus is prepareing a mansion for the borned again.
---shira4368 on 2/7/13


Follower, you say:

"John 5:21-29
dead hear voice of Lord at last trump, when Lord returns to earth to resurrect all in him to life eternal 1 Corin 15 Matt 24:31 1 Thess 4:16"


The Lord will return and not only those in Christ will rise but also those who rejected Christ. He will call the dead to rise and those who were in Christ to eternal life, those who rejected Christ to their sentencing at the Great White Throne of Judgment. The spirits of those who had died in Christ, will be coming with the Lord. For the spirit never dies nor goes to sleep, it is baptized into one body in Christ Jesus. Like Lazarus, who was called by Jesus to rise, God will call the dead in Christ, and they will rise in a glorified body.
---Mark_V. on 2/6/13


The are asleep, they have retired out of this troublesome world, to rest from all their laborers and sorrows, and they sleep in Jesus

really?

interesting philosophy, sounds sweet (aka water-down slop) those fanciful words are found nowhere in holy scripture.

quoting the sleep of death yet ignoring Gods warning to not add to his word as you did with all that nonsense.

death is not being alive somewhere else that is a pure 100% pagan concept

Word of God states death complete absence of life, consciousness, and memory,

John 5:21-29
dead hear voice of Lord at last trump, when Lord returns to earth to resurrect all in him to life eternal 1 Corin 15 Matt 24:31 1 Thess 4:16
---Follower_of_Christ on 2/5/13


Follower of Christ: >>>"They sleep in Jesus" 1 Thess. 4:14. The are asleep, they have retired out of this troublesome world, to rest from all their laborers and sorrows, and they sleep in Jesus. They are not lost, nor are they losers, but great gainers by death. And their removal out of this world is into a better place..."I shall sleep the sleep of death" Ps. 13:3: I cannot live under the weight of all this care and grief...Dan. 12:2>>Physical resurrection is spoken of here in a general sense. The resurrection of the just to everlasting life will occur immediately after the Great Tribulation. But the unjust dead will not be raised until one thousand years later, and will be judged at the Great White Throne.
---pat on 2/5/13


Follower, (1 Thess. 4:14) If you are asleep, dead and buried, how can you be coming with God? here is the passage,
"But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren" Paul teaching those in Christ. "Concerning those who have fallen asleep," Those dead and buried. "lest you sorrow as other who have no hope" those without Christ have no hope, don't believe in the resurrection of the body. "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus" Who's coming at the resurrection? Jesus Christ, here we read God is coming. With who? Those born of the spirit who are with Him already, for the resurrection of the body which is dead.
---Mark_V. on 2/5/13




the Lord Christ Jesus never taught his followers they would go to heaven he said he would return to be with them again, and the Lord has not returned **YET**

If you believe you go to heaven you reject 1 Thess 4:14 which describes the resurrection of all who are dead (sleep) in the Lord:

1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. Also: Psalm 13:3 Dan 12:2

The idea you continue living after death is a pagan concept, it denies the Lord Jesus and rejects the resurrection of all in him
---Follower_of_Christ on 2/4/13


The Truly Deceived do not believe that when we die we go to be with the Father immeadiately:
2Cor5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (see also verse 7)

Gen35:18 And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died)

1Kings17:22 And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah, and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.

1Th4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

Rev6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
---trey on 2/2/13


Deceived are taught that Gods throne, in heaven, is their reward at death, however this cannot be found in holy scripture. They argue and defend this idea and reject all scriptures that are contrary to their heaven-myth.

We are instructed to look for the appearing of the Lord, and not one of these verses suggest we go to heaven: 1 Tim 6:14 2 Tim 1:10 4:1 4:8 Titus 2:13 1 Peter 1:7

The Lord descends from heaven 1 Thess 4:6

The Lord comes to earth and with him is his reward Rev 22:12

The reward of the saved is earth as promised to the father of the faithful Abraham.Lord himself said he would return again and we would be with him always John 14:3. The Lord will rule earth per prophecy Zechariah 14
---Follower_of_Christ on 2/2/13


Bro. Richard, I posted this but it did not come out. The passages are speaking of two different kingdoms in (Isa. 56:17,18).
(v.17) is speaking of the New heaven and new earth, temporal kingdom, the millenial kingdom. In that kingdom we are told people will live longer lives, like at the beginning. They will still be sinful and they will still die (v. 20).
Verse (18) is speaking of the eternal kingdom. There will be joy there, no more crying and God will rejoice in the New Jerusalem. The eternal kingdom.
---Mark_V. on 1/30/13


Mark v ----------- What do you do with - Isaiah 65:17 - The Next verse 65:18 ------- Where it says - { But ye rejoice FOREVER in that which I create,}

1000 year Kingdom - You have that as Literal 1000 years - I have that right now as symbolic 1000, As in - Peter 3:8 - In my notes I have Revelation 20:4 That 1000 year as meaning - Forevermore - How I came up with that one , I have No Idea right now !
---RICHARDC on 1/29/13




Bro. Richard, the passages in Isaiah speak of an temporal kingdom of a thousand years (Rev. 20:1-10) and an eternal kingdom in God's new creation (51:6,16: 54:10: 66:22: Rev. 21:1-8).
---Mark_V. on 1/29/13


Follower :question what does it mean to be absent from the body?
2 Cor 5:8
---Kathy on 1/27/13


The scriptures for your question are given in my response by word of God, did you read HIS answer in the scriptures I provided
---Follower_of_Christ on 1/28/13


Is there any scripture which says all go to heaven?

If all went to heaven, then there wouldn't be any Bible in existence to tell us of the beginning of sin and the gospel message of how to be saved from the resulting effect of sin that falls upon everyone who's been born.

However, there is a scripture that states, "God desires all to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth."- 1Timothy 2:4
Which is taken to mean that salvation is available to all. For Christ was crucified on behalf of all sinners.

And heaven is therefore, according to the work of mercy and grace of God, and belief of the sinner, available to all.
---jan4378 on 1/28/13


Mark v - On 1/27/13 - Nothing about staying on earth ???

Isaiah 65:17 - FOR behold I create New heaven and a New Earth and the former shall not be remember, nor come into mind,

Isaiah 65:18 - BUT ye be glad and rejoice Forever in that I create: Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

Revelation 21:1 - AND I saw a New Heaven and a New Earth , For the first
Heaven and the first Earth has passed away, and there was no more sea.

---RICHARDC on 1/28/13


Trev. 1-19
Rev7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands,

Rev 7:13 And the elders answered me,What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
Rev 7:14 These are they which came out of the great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb

Trev I wish someone could give you and me some correct answers. God Bless You
---Kathy on 1/27/13


Follower :question what does it mean to be absent from the body?
2 Cor 5:8
---Kathy on 1/27/13


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Follower, you said,
"The Lord Jesus returns to earth with a shout **he descends** in a glorious appearing and at his coming he resurrects all in him to eternal life in spirit 1 Thess 4:16"

Here is the passage,
"And the dead in Christ will rise first, (body resurrection) Then "we" (believers) who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and thus we shall always be with the Lord" The passage says to be together with the believers who had died in Christ, in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and thus we shall always be with the Lord. Nothing about staying on earth as you claim and it's only one passage.
---Mark_V. on 1/27/13


2 Corinthians 5:8
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

And where will the righteous be present with the Lord? Answer: Earth

The Lord Jesus returns to earth with a shout **he descends** in a glorious appearing and at his coming he resurrects all in him to eternal life in spirit 1 Thess 4:16 Titus 2:13 1 Corinthians 15:23,21,44 John 6:54 11:24


When the Lord Jesus descends from heaven and returns to earth to reign on earth as Lord of Lord and King of Kings ruling Gods Kingdom from Jerusalem, on earth, not in heaven. Rev 3:12, Matt 24:27 Isaiah 2:3, 24:23 30:19 Jer 3:17 Zechariah 14
---Follower_of_Christ on 1/26/13


There is to be two resurrections. The first is at the second return of Jesus when the dead in Christ shall rise and the living shall be caught up with them. The second is after the thousand year reign of Jesus when all the other dead shall rise and be judged from the book of life according to their works - some to everlasting life and some to the second death. Blessed are those that rise at the first resurrection.

And for those who believe in the everlasting punishment in hell I ask this question: would the loving God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob create a new heaven and a new earth having pain for the rest of eternity? God forbid!
---Steveng on 1/26/13


follower, if saved don't go to heaven for eternal life then why does God say we are. do you think we have eternal life on earth. please read 2 Corinthians 5:8. how can you believe in God and not believe His Word.
---shira4368 on 1/26/13


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John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven

To die and immediately be in heaven is a doctrine of demons rejecting Word of God stating no man has gone to heaven John 3:13 also rejecting return of the Lord coming to earth to resurrect all in him to their spiritual bodies and eternal life on earth 1 Thess 4:16 1 Corin 15:23,44 Romans 8:11 Psalm 115:16 Zech 14

All dead (in Christ) are in the grave (hades) waiting for glorious appearing of Lord Jesus.

There is not one verse that states the saved, those who receive salvation and eternal life go to heaven.

The wicked who died are also in hades waiting the 2nd resurrection Rev 20:5
---Follower_of_Christ on 1/26/13


follower, what do you think the lake of fire is? God prepared the lake of fire and it enlarges itself as needed. you are so wrong not to think there is no hell. the rich man went to hell and it doesn't matter if it is a parable, God wanted us to know we don't have to go there.
---shira4368 on 1/26/13


No it is appointed once for all men to go to hades otherwise known as the grave (translated hell). All of mankind who ever lived and died are in the grave now waiting for the glorious return of the Lord Jesus to earth John 6:39 11:24. No man has ever gone to heaven John 3:13

When the Lord Jesus returns to earth in his glorious appearing as King of Kings and Lord of Lords to rule Gods Kingdom from Jerusalem he will resurrect all who lived in him to eternal life, changing those in him to spirit bodies to live and rule with him on earth.
---Follower_of_Christ on 1/26/13


Like the 10 virgins, 5 made it in & the other 5 lost out. In a congregation of 500, there may be 250 to go in, the other 250 being lost out. There may even be lesser to go in with The Lord because of the love - lust of their flesh in worldly aspects. You canNot serve God & the 1 here, 2nd.Cor.11 v 14.
---Lawrence on 1/26/13


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trey, the goats are the unsaved and the sheep are saved ones. I am happy someone agrees with me because that is what the bible teaches. many on christianet don't rightly divide the Word of God. again, thanks
---shira4368 on 1/24/13


Hi Shira,

Mt25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Note: all nations!!!

Mt25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Note: everlasting is the same as eternal! Christ is speaking of the final judgement!

In other words, I agree with ya.
---trey on 1/24/13


phil, I hope you don't think anything you say is with credance. you are the same one who said satan is not in the bible. after I told you one of the many times it is in the bible, you still deny it. you can go on with your rhetoric along with frances and the law. I will stick to the old stuff.
---shira4368 on 1/24/13


Phil, at. Judgment God will tell some to." Depart from me I never knew you."
---shira4368 on 1/23/13

You misplace the scriptures. The passage you refer to pertains to the judgment of the unfaithful Jews at His return to Olivet [Mt 7:23] and the other nations that persecuted His people during the end times [Mt 25:41].

It is on earth, at least one thousand years before the Great White Throne judgment, when all the dead shall be resurrected.

Please read again carefully to whom He is speaking, where He is speaking, and when.
---Phil on 1/24/13


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Psalms 115:17 "The dead praise not the Lord" - meaning: they cannot praise him among men on earth, as they have before because their bodies are dead.

Psalms 146:4 ...he returneth to his earth - that is his body, not his soul.
"in that very day his thoughts perish" - the meaning is, that at death all the plans and worldly thoughts end.

Job 14:12 - Again has reference to the body and not the soul.

Psalms 104:29 Means that Christ is the Life. If God wills it, our soul and spirit go to heaven or hell and our body dies.

Job 17:13 "If I wait, the grave is mine house:" - it houses our body.
"I have made my bed in darkness" - again speaking of the body resting in the grave.
---trey on 1/23/13


Phil, at. Judgment God will tell some to." Depart from me I never knew you." Whose spirit lives in the unsaved
---shira4368 on 1/23/13


Please note the book of Ecclesiasties was writen with the persective of "under the sun" not from a heavenly perspective.
---trey on 1/22/
"The dead praise not the Lord." Psalms 115:17

Psalms 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, [nor] in the son of man, in whom [there is] no help.

Psalms 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, in that very day his thoughts perish.

So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more." Job 14:12

Psalms 104:29 Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust.

Job 17:13 If I wait, the grave [is] mine house: I have made my bed in the darkness.
---francis on 1/23/13


People in heaven???
Rev5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
WHAT??? No man in heaven was able to open the book? Wonder what they are doing there???
Rev7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands,
Rev7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

Please note the book of Ecclesiasties was writen with the persective of "under the sun" not from a heavenly perspective.
---trey on 1/22/13


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Phil, Satan is all thru my bible. 1st Corinthians 5:5. 1st Corinthians 7:5.there are many more. Now, you show me how any spirit will go to heaven at death exception of the Holy Spirit.
---shira4368 on 1/22/13


Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing,

Psalms 115:17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

The breath, spirit that returns to God is the spirit of God. You are DEAD.

If those in christ went to be with God at death, they would at least praise God. But the dead in christ do not even praise God
---francis on 1/22/13


Phil, you missed this, francis said,

"No one goes to heaven when they die, everyone goes AT THE SAME TIME when Jesus returns
---francis on 1/9/13"


Now he says, the persons spirit goes to be with Christ. He first said everyone goes at the same time when Jesus returns. He was speaking of the body not the new creation which is spiritual, the new man. That new man goes to be with Christ at the moment of His spiritual birth. Believers are baptized into one spiritual body in Christ Jesus. To await for the resurrection of the dead, the glorification of the physical body. Just as Jesus rose from the dead, so will every believers physical body to eternal life, and every unbeliever bodies prepared for hell.
---Mark_V. on 1/22/13


francis, notice how I have not responded to your temptation?
---Mark_V. on 1/22/13
Notice how I responded, and yet you have not corrected you false statement

francis, you claim the spiritual birth of the Christian, his spirit is not with Christ,
---Mark_V. on 1/19/13
I made no such statement you idiot
---francis on 1/21/13

frances, all spirit will not return to Christ. how can the spirit of satan go to heaven?
---shira4368 on 1/22/13

francis did not say "all spirit will not return to Christ", he said, quite correctly, all spirits return to God who gave it.

He even provided the evidence, from a book you use to acclaim your beliefs.
---Phil on 1/22/13

Thank you Phil
---francis on 1/22/13


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---shira4368 on 1/22/13

I could not find "spirit of satan" in any version I have. Please provide.

I am assuming that since such a phrase does not exist in the scriptures, then it must be imaginary. Please direct me to the passage.

Question: if taking a stand for God's word means using unscriptural words and phrases, then how can Holy Spirit bear witness to the truth, if it's not the truth?

francis did not say "all spirit will not return to Christ", he said, quite correctly, all spirits return to God who gave it.

He even provided the evidence, from a book you use to acclaim your beliefs.

What's going on?
---Phil on 1/22/13


francis, notice how I have not responded to your temptation? you want to tempt me as the tempter, but it hasn't worked as you wanted. You are angry because you, yourself break the Ten Commandments, and still preach the written law.
---Mark_V. on 1/22/13


frances, all spirit will not return to Christ. you have the spirit of satan or the Spirit of God inside you. how can the spirit of satan go to heaven? God said if we are not His, then we are of the devil. the unsaved will face judgement and so will the saved. 1 corinthians 10:21: Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.
---shira4368 on 1/22/13


Francis - on 1/9/13 - No one goes to heaven when they die ?

Ephesians 2:18 - For thought him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father

Ephesians 2:19 - Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow - citizens with the saints, and of the household of God'
---RICHARDC on 1/18/13

What about these verses says that anyonegoes to heaven when they die( before the resurrection?)


francis, calling me an idiot does not make your statements correct.
Mark_V. on 1/20/13
francis, you claim the spiritual birth of the Christian, his spirit is not with Christ,
---Mark_V. on 1/19/13
I made no such statement you idiot
---francis on 1/21/13


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FRANCIS - on 1/19/13 - I have all - SAVED - are called saints ------- >

Romans 1:7 - All that be in Rome, Beloved of God, called to be Saints, grace and peace from God our father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

( Beloved in the Bible are Gods elect, )

1 Corinthians 1:2 Unto the Church of God which is at Gorinth, to them are sanctified in Jesus Christ, called to be saints, with - (ALL) - that in every place call upon the name of jesus Christ our Lord , both theirs and ours.

( ALL ) - (Paosi ) - Means ALL individual Believers.
---RICHARDC on 1/20/13


francis, calling me an idiot does not make your statements correct. They are still lies. The new creation or the new man in every believer is united with Christ. When we physically die, it remains with Christ. As believers we are already baptized into One body in Christ.

"For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God, when Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory"

Hello? How can we appear with Him at the Second Coming if we are not with Him already? Hello?
---Mark_V. on 1/20/13


rancis, you claim the spiritual birth of the Christian, his spirit is not with Christ,
---Mark_V. on 1/19/13
I said No such thing you idiot

The spirit which goes to be with God at our death is not our spirit. It is the breath of life (Spirit) that God gave to us.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.



Everyone saved or unsaved has that spirit, and it will return to God at death

Genesis 7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
Job 27:3 All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils,
---francis on 1/18/13
---francis on 1/19/13


Ephesians 2:19 - Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow - citizens with the saints, and of the household of God'
---RICHARDC on 1/18/13
Romans 16:15 Salute Philologus, and Julia, Nereus, and his sister, and Olympas, and all the saints which are with them.

1 Corinthians 6:1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?

Do you think Paul was writing to and about people who died when He used the word saint?
---francis on 1/19/13


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Follower, you used(Matt.) suggesting God is killing soul and body in hell when you said:
"Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
.
That is not what the passage is saying. It is saying "He is able" not that He does. In fact He is able to do what He so desires.

francis, you claim the spiritual birth of the Christian, his spirit is not with Christ, when ( 1 Cor. 12:12-14) tells us we are spiritually baptized into One body in Christ. This is forever. Are you not baptized into one body in Christ? are you not member of the spiritual Church? Didn't Jesus say, I will never leave you?
---Mark_V. on 1/19/13


Is heaven open for businss?

2Cor12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell, or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth,) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

Rev6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

Gen35:18 And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin.
Her soul departed???

Gen25:8 Then Abraham gave up the ghost, and died in a good old age, an old man, and full of years, and was gathered to his people.
Where were his people???
---trey on 1/19/13


Is Hell open for business?

Luke 16:22 ... the rich man also died, and was buried,
Lu 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
JUDGEMENT DAY
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
By the way the sea here means the "sea of mankind" i.e. those still alive but dead to God.

These being judged are the dead. Remember Christ spoke a Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob -

Mt 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
---trey on 1/19/13


Mark_V. on 1/12/13

The spirit which goes to be with God at our death is not our spirit. It is the breath of life ( Spirit) that God gave to us.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.



Everyone saved or unsaved has that spirit, and it will return to God at death

Genesis 7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
Job 27:3 All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils,
---francis on 1/18/13


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On Judgment Day, ...reprobates their "unglorified" bodies to be sent into eternal damnation.

unglorified bodies??!!?? LOL

A persons body has nothing to do with salvation, seeing those who receive eternal life will be spirit, not flesh and blood, per the words of the Lord Christ Jesus!

Word of God says the wicked will be destroyed (hence cease to exist, hence no body, a merciful God will destroy the wicked)

Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Eternal life is gift for the saved. Word of God does not ever state the wicked receive eternal life
---Follower_of_Christ on 1/18/13


Francis - on 1/9/13 - No one goes to heaven when they die ?

Ephesians 2:18 - For thought him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father

Ephesians 2:19 - Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow - citizens with the saints, and of the household of God'
---RICHARDC on 1/18/13


"No man has ever been to heaven, and no verses describe any man inheriting the throne of God (heaven), or going to heaven as a reward.." FOC

Heaven and hell is still not "officially" opened for business yet. But when Christ comes to judge, it will be declared opened. And whoever is written in the "Book of Life" will be in heaven!

For now, the elect of God are all in Paradise fellow-shipping while the reprobates are in Hades (according to Luke 16:19-31, the tormenting has started immediately after their death on earth). On Judgment Day, the elect will receive their glorified bodies just like Christ's and the reprobates their "unglorified" bodies to be sent into eternal damnation.
---christan on 1/16/13


No man has ever been to heaven, and no verses describe any man inheriting the throne of God (heaven), or going to heaven as a reward..

the Lord Jesus will rule Gods Kingdom from Jerusalem, on earth, not in heaven. Rev 3:12, Matt 24:27 Isaiah 2:3, 24:23 30:19 Jer 3:17 Zechariah 14

When the Lord returns to earth (at his coming) that is where he will forever be. No verse describes the Lord returning to heaven after the tribulation.
---Follower_of_Christ on 1/16/13


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"It is the nations, the Gentiles, not Israel, in the sheep and goats passage. It is particularly not the body of Christ." Phil

Is that the context of Matthew 25:31-46? Not a word of "Gentile and Israel" was mentioned in those verses spoken of by Christ. How you even arrive to that conclusion is amazing. Shame on you for adding on to the word.

Now I can truly understand the full context when Christ accused the Jews in John 8:44, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."
---christan on 1/16/13


"Now, whenever the Son of Mankind may be coming in His glory, and all the holy messengers with Him, then shall He be seated on the throne of His glory"

"and in front of Him shall be gathered ALL THE NATIONS. And He shall be severing them from one another even as a shepherd is severing the sheep from the kids."

It is the nations, the Gentiles, not Israel, in the sheep and goats passage. It is particularly not the body of Christ.

Such reckless reading is the root of much false teaching.

His parable of the wicked servant in verses just previous tells the fate of the unfaithful Jew during that time, their portion being with the nations who rejected Christ's disciples.
---Phil on 1/16/13


Trey, it is what it is when Christ mentions about the sheep and the goat. Many cannot believe that the sheep belongs to Him as they were given to Him by His Father, whereas the goats don't.

The one main reason Christ uses the sheep and goat metaphor, clearly tells us that a sheep cannot change into a goat and vice-versa. That is, if you're chosen to be a sheep, you'll always be a sheep and the same for a goat.

In this same context, Paul in Romans 9 refers to these as vessels of honor and dishonor. Solomon in his book of proverbs calls them the wise and the foolish.

Ultimately, all these points to God's Sovereign election. The sheep He loves, the goat He hates. And guess what, He alone creates these for His glory?
---christan on 1/15/13


christian, I really like the verses you quoted. Please note that Christ says he divideth HIS sheep from the goats. Matt 25:32 I like that that Christ owns the sheep!

Lord bless you brother!
---trey on 1/15/13


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"And before Him shall be gathered all nations: and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And He shall set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.

Then shall the King say unto them on His right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

Then shall He say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels."


Go figure if everyone is going to heaven...
---christan on 1/15/13


jamea3475,
God speaking to Father Abraham:
Gen22:17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore, and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies,
Gen22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed, because thou hast obeyed my voice.
* God promised Abraham a great multitude of children.
* Gal 3:7 Abraham's children are the children of faith.
* Rom 9:6 Not all Israel are of Israel.
* Rom 2:29 A Jew is one inwardly (including Jews and Gentiles).

**Rev 7:9 John sees a multitude in Heaven greater than man can number!

How many will be in heaven? - a vast multitude, all saved by Christ!
---trey on 1/14/13


No! Not a one. Most will go to hell. Well, Jesus said only a few! Chosen.
---pat on 1/12/13


francis, you now say,

"COMFORT YOURSELF WITH THESE WORDS
No one goes to heaven when they die, everyone goes AT THE SAME TIME when Jesus returns"


You are speaking concerning the resurrection of the body when Jesus returns. The Spirit of the individual who is save is already with Christ Jesus, from the time He was born of God by the Spirit. He never again separates from the body of Christ at any time. He is forever with the Lord.
---Mark_V. on 1/12/13


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Is there any scripture which says all go to heaven?
Moderator - No, just the opposite.
So, then are you saying scripture says everyone goes to hell?
Just where is that written?

And how can everyone go to heaven?
Mat_21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
How, can you receive what you dont believe?
And how can you believe what you have not heard?

francis, No one goes to heaven when they die, everyone goes AT THE SAME TIME when Jesus returns.
Just what time is it in heaven?
And exactly how much time has passed in heaven from the death of Adam till now?


Sounds just like guys trying to answer something:
That cant be believed!
Peace.
---TheSeg on 1/9/13


" that God may be all in all."

"And all things [are] of God,"

"That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ"

"and subjects all under His feet, and gives Him, as Head over all."

"who created all things by Jesus Christ:"

"whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself."

"that he might fill all things."

"all things were created by him, and for him:"

"And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."

"that in all things he might have the preeminence."
---Phil on 1/9/13


" through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself"

"God, who quickeneth all things"

"God our Saviour in all things."

"whom he hath appointed heir of all things"

"But now we see not yet all things put under him."

"for whom [are] all things, and by whom [are] all things"

"but he that built all things [is] God."

"that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ"

"thou hast created all things"

"Behold, I make all things new"

"by him to reconcile all things unto himself.. whether things in earth, or things in heaven."
---Phil on 1/9/13


1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1 Thessalonians 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

COMFORT YOURSELF WITH THESE WORDS

No one goes to heaven when they die, everyone goes AT THE SAME TIME when Jesus returns
---francis on 1/9/13


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James, to be honest, there is a few passages which seem to indicate there is universal salvation if they are interpreted wrong. When a passage indicates "the world"
many times it means mankind at large including every nation, Jews and Gentiles. Not every individual for many passages from the beginning indicate that man is heading to hell already condemned, to wait for their sentence.
"He who believes in Him is not condemned, but he who does not believe in condemned already because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God" (John 3:18). Only those who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ will be saved.
---Mark_V. on 1/9/13


Psalm 15 covers it well.
---Nana on 1/8/13


moderator answered this question. Only the born again believer will enter heaven.
---shira4368 on 1/8/13


The scriptures answers this Psl.37.29 "The righteous will inherit the LAND and dwell therin FOREVER"
also
Psl.115.16 "The highest heavens belong to the Lord,but the EARTH he has given to man"
---1st_cliff on 1/8/13


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