ChristiaNet MallWorld's Largest Christian MallChristian BlogsFree Bible QuizzesFree Ecards and Free Greeting CardsLoans, Debt, Business and Insurance Articles

Was Darwin Or Jesus Right

Why do some Christians believe Charles Darwin over Jesus Christ?

Join Our Free Chat and Take The Evolution Bible Quiz
 ---jerry6593 on 1/9/13
     Helpful Blog Vote (7)

Post a New Blog



Bible: Earth before sun and stars. Evolution: Stars and sun before earth.

Bible: Earth covered in water initially. Evolution: Earth molten blob initially

Bible: Oceans first then dry land. Evolution: Dry land then oceans

Bible:Life first created on land. Evolution:Life started in oceans.

Bible: Plants created before the sun. Evolution: Plants came long after sun.

Bible: Fish and birds created together. Evolution: Fish formed long before birds.

Bible: Land animals created after birds. Evolution: land animals before whales.

Bible: Man and dinosaurs lived together. Evolution: Dinosaurs extinct long before man appeared.

Bible: big bang future. Evolution: big bang past.
---Warwick on 1/21/13


Warwick:

The Bible says man was formed out of the dust but doesn't give details as to HOW - in one step, or many, and if so, how? Speculating on that isn't anti-biblical, because the Bible doesn't go into details one way or other. Darwinian evolution presumes complex forms evolved from simpler ones, and ultimately from inorganic chemicals (i.e. dust) - in agreement with Genesis. However, so many people accuse Darwin of erroneously reading between the lines - while themselves reading nothing between the lines, and dogmatically assuming nothing happened. However, we all know that there are many things that happened during the Biblical times the Bible omits because it wasn't considered important to go into details at the time.
---StrongAxe on 1/21/13


--jerry6593 on 1/21/13
I do believe in a literal six days 24 hours per day creation.

i am sure thatyou have missunderstood my post see my post on 1/20/13.
---francis on 1/21/13


StrongAxe, Charles Darwin knew little science and imagined evolution occurred by adaptation/natural selection alone. He was wrong and that is why modern-day evolutionists talk of Neo-Darwinism, understanding adaptation/natural selection, cannot supply all the massive amounts of new, unique, and specific genetic information needed to transform one creature into a completely different creature. For example reptile to bird. They added random mutations into the 'stew' but that does not work either.

Not only was Darwin scientifically wrong but Biblically wrong as, for one example, God says man did not evolve from a non-human but was created from dust.
---Warwick on 1/21/13


francis: What you have described is mendellian genetics, which is true and demonstrable science - unlike darwinism, which posits novel DNA appearance from random mutations or genetic influrnces.

What I asked you to explain, however, was how a SDA could support a non-biblical, long-term creation, rather than a six-day Creation with a seventh day of rest.



---jerry6593 on 1/21/13




wonder what would happen if a cardinal mated with a blue bird.
---shira4368 on 1/19/13...
probably would get a Purple Martin
---disciple1938 on 1/21/13


shira4368:

Genesis said God created Adam from the dust of the earth by blowing life into him. But it does not really give much detail about it at all. Only one verse describing the incredibly complex organism that is man means MUCH detail has been left out (and similar for animals, plants, etc.)

What Darwin attempted to do is explain just HOW life got to its present state. This is NOT incompatible with Genesis.

Genesis provides the big picture. Darwin attempts to provide the little picture.
---StrongAxe on 1/20/13


jerry6593 on 1/20/13
That is easy enough to explain.

Each creature was blessed with the capacity to be fruitful and multiply. Diversity was present from the beginning. There was no single ancestor from which all other species descended, but each species seems to have been endowed with the possibility of producing varieties of individuals. For example, more than 400 named breeds have been developed from the common pigeon, and at least 27 breeds of goldfish are known. God apparently gave each of His creatures the potential to produce a great variety of various offspring, further adding to the diversity of the creation

From Lesson 3 MONDAYJ anuary 14 Creation of Air and Water Animals

Is it settled now?
---francis on 1/20/13


francis:

What I still find hard to understand is how a SDA (of all people) could adopt a long-age paradigm for creation of the species when, without the six-day Genesis Creation, there is no basis for the Sabbath Day which you so ably defend.

Can you explain?
---jerry6593 on 1/20/13


francis, species don't change with time. they may adapt to different climates and even humans can adapt.
---shira4368 on 1/19/13

It is more than just adapt.
The adaptation become permanent, to the point where those who have adapted can no longer mate with those who did not adapt, they become a subspecies, overtime develop their own colony and habitat, evolve different physical characteristics, different behavior patterns, and eventually become their own species
---francis on 1/20/13




francis, species don't change with time. they may adapt to different climates and even humans can adapt. God never changes either. He is the same today as every other day. one more little thing. humans are the only species ever where two men "mate". animals are much smarter than us humans. I am sorry no matter what the government says, sodomites are a sinful people so much so that God gave them over to a reprobate mind. wonder what would happen if a cardinal mated with a blue bird.
---shira4368 on 1/19/13


No, no, no! What Darwin wrote was NOT true. Species (kinds) do NOT change into different species over time.
---jerry6593 on 1/19/13

Kinds and species are not the same

gazelles, African antelope, buffalo, mountain goats, and domesticated species such as cattle, sheep, and goats are all kinds of bovine, the reproduce after themselves. These are KINDS and do not change

But species do change
we have variety of species of goats which do change over time
---francis on 1/19/13


StrongAxe: I get the feeling that people have previously been taught (by someone) that Jesus and Darwin are mutually exclusive.....

Clearly in this blog they (or no-one who has appeared so far) can explain HOW they are mutually exclusive)

But since this teaching has been taught by someone they care about more that they care about you, I can see that no-one will actually listen to you

But your logic is good and valid

PS: I don't accept Darwin's theory.......
---James on 1/19/13


francis: "I can understand why people belive in Darwin, because what Dawrin [sic] record [sic] is true, species do change over time with different environments"

No, no, no! What Darwin wrote was NOT true. Species (kinds) do NOT change into different species over time. Although animals and humans have the genetic ability to adapt to their environment, that environment does NOT effect DNA changes. (That's called lamarchism, and has been thoroughly discredited.)

What I find hard to understand is how a SDA (of all people) could adopt a long-age paradigm for creation of the species when, without the six-day Genesis Creation, there is no basis for the Sabbath Day which you so ably defend.


---jerry6593 on 1/19/13


Hi Elena,
Is this the verse you are looking for:
Psalms139:16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect, and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

Here David is actually speaking of the elect family of God and the Lamb's Book of Life.

The Lord also speaks of Jeremiah:
Jer1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee, and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

I believe that is true of all God's children, that he knows us even before we are born.

Lord bless you.
---trey on 1/19/13


Why do some people believe Ellen G. White over Jesus Christ?
---Rob on 1/19/13


Read These Insightful Articles About Jewelry


Shira4368, sister I agree with your posts here. I started in college, 1st thing they taught that off the wall stuff bout darwin that is nothing good, when I think about how having my babies, how a human baby just looking at a child you see the beauty & handiwork of a loving creator.Mt.10:30,Ps.24:1,2. There another verse talks bout He knew us in the womb..can't find it now.
---ELENA on 1/18/13


You seem to be defending Darwin. What's up with that? ---jerry6593 on 1/18/13

Understanding what, and how someone has arived at thier world view is not the same as defending them.

I can understand why people belive in Darwin, because what Dawrin record is true, species do change over time with different environments, and can be observed and reproduced.

That does not mean that I beleive that man evolved from another species. It means i understand the bases on the theory.

While we can observe changes in specied over time and in environment: John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time,

Jesus is by faith
Darwin is by sight
---francis on 1/18/13


francis: "Darwin recorded what he observed. ... He was looking at finches, and how they had adapted over time"

You seem to be defending Darwin. What's up with that? He DID NOT look at finches over time. He looked at finches at the current time and wrongly speculated that mendellian genetic diversity was Evolution.


Axey: The Bible says:

Col 1:16,17 For by him were all things created ... all things were created by him, and for him: ... and by him all things consist.

Psa 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made, and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

Psa 33:9 For he spake, and it was done, he commanded, and it stood fast.

Believest thou this, Axey?
---jerry6593 on 1/18/13


I surely didn't put darwin and Jesus on the same level. go back and read my post once more. what I said was who ever said that sure wasn't me. I am not that stupid. Jesus is deity and darwin was an athiest and he is in hell now.
---shira4368 on 1/17/13


Read These Insightful Articles About Furniture


strongax, you are wrong again. anyone who is born of the Spirit will not believe what darwin peddled. darwin was anti-christ. it is impossible for someone to believe in Jesus and darwin. He did not believe God created man and when he says we evolved, then he is anti-christ.
---shira4368 on 1/17/13


shira4368:

Once again, you don't get it. Jesus and Drawin ARE on totally different levels. They SHOUDN'T be compared. If Jesus says I must be born again, and my mechanic says I need a new muffler, these are TOTALLY UNRELATED. Nobody ever says "you can't believe Jesus and your mechanic". So why say "you can't believe Jesus and Darwin"? Darwin had absolutely NOTHING TO SAY about anything Jesus spoke about, and vice versa. Why do people insist the two are mutually exclusive?


jerry6593:

Evolution may or may not be faulty science, but it is NOT, IN ANY WAY theology. It makes absolutely no mention of God, for or against. Is your car owner's manual faulty theology as well, since it doesn't mention God?
---StrongAxe on 1/17/13


\\strongx, Jesus is exclusive but darwin is just another athiest. I cant believe anyone puts darwin on the same level as Jesus. is darwin deity???
---shira4368 on 1/17/13\\

Darwin was not an atheist.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/17/13


francis: "Because Darwin is by sight"

Oh really? What was he looking at? There is NO physical evidence supporting Evolution - only supposition, conjecture, fantasy and fraud.
---jerry6593 on 1/16/13

Darwin recorded what he observed. That is why Darwin is by sight

He was looking at finches, and how they had adapted over time
in the size and shapes of their beaks based on the food source available
---francis on 1/17/13


Send a Free Congratulations Ecard


strongx, Jesus is exclusive but darwin is just another athiest. I cant believe anyone puts darwin on the same level as Jesus. is darwin deity???
---shira4368 on 1/17/13


Sis. Shira, I agree with you. It is not possible to believe in the words of Jesus and also believe in the words of Darwin. Impossible to have faith in both. What Darwin says, comes from a heart that is at emnity against God. That is why the visible church has so many tares.
1. "These many antichrist "went out from us" (1 John 2:19).
2. "Anyone who denies the Father and the Son is antichrist" (1 John 2:22).
3. "These antichrist are trying to seduce us away from Jesus Christ" ( 1 John 2:26).
And a few here deny that Jesus has come in the flesh.
4. "The spirit of antichrist denies Jesus Christ has come in the flesh" (1 John 4:3).
---Mark_V. on 1/17/13


Bible creationism and darwinian Evolution ARE indeed mutually exclusive. Theistic Evolution is faulty theology mixed with faulty science.



---jerry6593 on 1/17/13


christan:

I have not in any way disagreed with you (that God created everything). So why keep arguing with ME?

Note I have NOT said Darwin's theory is correct. I *HAVE* said belief in Darwin and the Bible are not mutually exclusive. I have been arguing about errors in basic logic, NOT biology or theology. One can't discuss ANYTHING if one's underyling logic isn't sound in the first place.


shira4368:

You said: christians only believe in Christ. after all you must believe in Jesus to be saved. that means anyone who believes in darwin is not saved

Faulty logic. It assumes the two are mutually exclusive - which they are not. Many Christians believe in Jesus and ALSO believe in Darwin's Origin of Species.
---StrongAxe on 1/16/13


Read These Insightful Articles About Laptops


francis: "Because Darwin is by sight"

Oh really? What was he looking at? There is NO physical evidence supporting Evolution - only supposition, conjecture, fantasy and fraud.


---jerry6593 on 1/16/13


christians only believe in Christ. after all you must believe in Jesus to be saved. that means anyone who believes in darwin is not saved. acts 2:21---acts 4:12---acts 15:11...and yes I use my strongs concordance. I know what my bible says but sometimes I can't remember where certain verses are located.
---shira4368 on 1/15/13


Why do some Christians believe Charles Darwin over Jesus Christ?
---jerry6593 on 1/9/13

Because Darwin is by sight
whereas Jesus is by faith

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
---francis on 1/15/13


StrongAxe, and for the THIRD TIME I too tell you that God created everything as stated in the Holy Bible. And if you believe yourself to be a Christian, that should be more than enough and not bothered about HOW.

Your defense of Darwin far outweighs your faith in God (if it even exist at all in you), whose theory of HOW the world was created is nothing more than a vain imagination of a fallen man. The funny thing about these evolutionists is they talk as if they were there when God created the world.

Ever wondered why God didn't give us a "blueprint" of HOW He created the world? And yet Darwin has the audacity to tell us HOW? And you believe and defend him... how shameful.
---christan on 1/15/13


Read These Insightful Articles About Lawyer


Follower_of_Christ:

You said: Deceived follow man, converted follow Christ.

True. But Which of the above constantly accuse others, and often spread broad accusations on entire groups based on the actions of only a few? Remember Jesus did not come to condemn. The Devil is "the accuser". If someone is constantly making accusations, which of the above two is he REALLY following?



christan:

You said: Didn't Moses tell us in Chapter 1:1-31 of Genesis who created everything in this world?

Yes. but FOR THE THIRD TIME (since you missed the point twice), Darwin said HOW, not WHO. In case you missed that day in grade 1 English class, HOW and WHO answer two totally different questions.
---StrongAxe on 1/14/13


I know that you consider yourself a Christian, FoC, but you are as deceived as you think Roman Catholics are, judging from what you say on line here.

Sadly when someone submits their mind and will to another human being that person is their master (per catechism catholics submit mind and will to their god Pope) and this act makes an idol of their pope, a simple (very simple I might add) understanding from holy scripture. In their submission to this mortal man they believe popes words that state Word of God is not all truth. difficult to rationally, let alone logically, claim Christianity and that of course is leaving aside the Lords warning on **NOT** having two masters!!

Deceived follow man, converted follow Christ.
---Follower_of_Christ on 1/14/13


"Leon on 1/11/13 - Just thought it was ironic!"
---RICHARDC on 1/13/13


Me too, but it happens all the time, i.e., non-christians funeralized in Christian churches. Thx for the explanation. :)
---Leon on 1/14/13


\\Was Darwin there when God created the world?\\

Was Moses?

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/14/13


Read These Insightful Articles About Dedicated Hosting


Leon on 1/11/13 - Just thought it was ironic !
---RICHARDC on 1/13/13


"Darwin spoke about how animals were formed. Animals are neither heaven nor earth, so how could this possibly say anything at ALL about Genesis 1:1 (let alone that it's a lie?)" StrongAxe

Now I know how deep in darkness you truly are, that's because from your heart you've spoken accordingly.

Didn't Moses tell us in Chapter 1:1-31 of Genesis who created everything in this world? Isn't the account of the creation by God in Genesis 1 good enough for you that you are saying Darwin is right as compared to Genesis 1? That's precisely what you're saying.

Was Darwin there when God created the world? Was Adam even around when God created the world? Mind you, man was His last creation after everything was formed!
---christan on 1/13/13


christan:

Genesis 1:1 says God created the heavens and the earth. Darwin spoke about how animals were formed. Animals are neither heaven nor earth, so how could this possibly say anything at ALL about Genesis 1:1 (let alone that it's a lie?)

If I say Volkswagen made the Beetle, that says about as much about Genesis 1:1 and God's part in creating the heaven and the earth as Darwin's theory of evolution does.

You may not believe in evolution, and you may even be right in that assertion. But it still has absolutely nothing to do with Genesis 1:1.
---StrongAxe on 1/13/13


Axey: "Whether the 6 creation days in Genesis are actual 24 hour days, or longer periods, is a matter of interpretation, not clearly defined biblical doctrine."

Jesus wrote with His own finger in stone:

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is ...

How much clearer can it get?

I gave you a simple test. You chose the word of Charles Darwin over that of Jesus Christ. I believe that this is a serious issue that you and other theistic evolutionists must deal with if you are to grow in Christ.


---jerry6593 on 1/13/13


Read These Insightful Articles About Online Marketing


Axey: "Also, have you ever EVEN ONCE heard ANY Catholic call the Pope God? If not, you are making a false accusation - something EXPLICITLY forbidden by the Ten Commandments!"

The title Lord God the Pope - these words appeared in the Canon Law of Rome. To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical. (The Gloss extravagances of Pope John XXII Cum. Inter, tit XIV Ad Callem Sexti Decretalium, Paris, 1685)


---jerry6593 on 1/13/13


I don't care what you call yourself, even a monkey's uncle don't make you one.
---pat on 1/13/13


\\although many catholics may consider themselves Christian they are deceived simply because their idolatry of the Pope.\\

I know that you consider yourself a Christian, FoC, but you are as deceived as you think Roman Catholics are, judging from what you say on line here.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/12/13


"Darwin's theory had to do with the origin of SPECIES, not heaven and earth." StrongAxe

Doesn't this constitute to calling Genesis 1:1 a lie?

"Before you accuse someone of being a liar, be more careful of facts. The Ten Commandments forbid false accusations."

Darwin's theory of evolution is a "fact"? That before life there was this "primordial soup" which evolved into a monkey and then a man? This is fact as to "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul."

Guess who just broke one the ten commandments?
---christan on 1/12/13


Read These Insightful Articles About VoIP Service


Follower_of_Christ:

You said: further, it is proven RCC calls themselves catholic, not Christian, and their god is Pope, not the Father in heaven.

WHO "proved" it, when, and how?

Roman catholics call themselves "catholic Christians". Most who rail about denominations say Jesus has only ONE Church. "catholic" means "universal" - i.e. there aren't different "kinds" of Christians, which is exactly what anti-denominationlists themselves say.

Also, have you ever EVEN ONCE heard ANY Catholic call the Pope God? If not, you are making a false accusation - something EXPLICITLY forbidden by the Ten Commandments!
---StrongAxe on 1/12/13


Darwinism is vain babbling and is an opposition to science!!!

1Tim 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
1Ti6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

I do believe that God has given us much good science. I am amazed at what the medical profession can do these days to help the sick and afflicted, and that man can fly into space, the internet, technology, etc. What an amazing God we have!!!
---trey on 1/12/13


Charles Darwin - Had a Christian funeral , at ST Marys - By RCC

having a "Christian funeral" (for whatever that means) does not make the dead person Christian.

further, it is proven RCC calls themselves catholic, not Christian, and their god is Pope, not the Father in heaven.

although many catholics may consider themselves Christian they are deceived simply because their idolatry of the Pope. It is impossible to have two masters. You cannot have a master called Pope and believe you also have a Master called LORD. further the catholic position is holy scripture is not all truth, making their claims to Christianity void.
---Follower_of_Christ on 1/12/13


Jerry, the bottom line is that if you believe in Darwin over Jesus Christ, you are not a Christian, you are a Darwinist. There is no genuine Christians who believe in Darwin over Christ. That should be simple.
---Mark_V. on 1/12/13


Read These Insightful Articles About Settlements


christan:

You said: Moses simply declared, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." For a Christian, that's good enough to tell us that Darwin is a liar, period.

Darwin's theory had to do with the origin of SPECIES, not heaven and earth. Before you accuse someone of being a liar, be more careful of facts. The Ten Commandments forbid false accusations.


jerry6593:

Once again, Genesis said THAT God created animals, not HOW. One day for God is like a thousand years, and vice versa. Whether the 6 creation days in Genesis are actual 24 hour days, or longer periods, is a matter of interpretation, not clearly defined biblical doctrine.
---StrongAxe on 1/11/13


James L, it is impossible for a believer to believe by faith in the gospel of Jesus Christ taught by the Holy Spirit and also put your faith in the words of Darwin. There is no middle ground. Your faith is in the gospel or its not period. The Holy Spirit does lead us unto all Truth never a lie. If people are guided wrong, it is not because of the Spirit. You can read Darwin, and many other books, but none of it is Truth from Scripture, because it comes from man and not God.
---Mark_V. on 1/12/13


"Charles Darwin - Had a Christian funeral , at ST Marys - By RCC"
---RICHARDC on 1/11/13


I'm just curious as to what you think that's suppose to mean Richard?
---Leon on 1/11/13


Charles Darwin - Had a Christian funeral , at ST Marys - By RCC
---RICHARDC on 1/11/13


Read These Insightful Articles About Internet Services



Moses simply declared, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." For a Christian, that's good enough to tell us that Darwin is a liar, period.


Moses declared??? too funny, no not at all, Moses did not declare God created heaven and earth because the book of Genesis was inspired by God and passed down orally from Adam and Eve.

Moses recorded what God declared to the previous generations. Moses was not alive when the book of Genesis was memorized by the previous generations and passed down orally to the generation of Moses.
---Follower_of_Christ on 1/11/13


Mark_V.,
Correct me? I never commented about Darwin.

I was simply commenting about a phrase I've heard a thousand times...

"You can't be a Christian if you..."
end it with whatever you want


What I was getting at is that according to scripture, the only thing that exlcudes someone from being a Christian is that they do not believe the gospel.

So someone who
believes evolution
prays to dead saints
doesn't believe there's a literal hell

can be a Christian. WHY ? Because it's possible to believe the gospel and still hold to unbiblical things

Much of what you believe is false, but I'm convinced you believe the gospel

See?
---James_L on 1/11/13


Bottomline to this Darwinian theory is very simple. He was made of dust and returned to dust. Darwin came after the father of all man fell and became corrupted and the whole of mankind inherited his fallen and dark nature. There's no light in us unless God shows mercy and remove that veil and shine His glorious light to our darken hearts.

Moses simply declared, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." For a Christian, that's good enough to tell us that Darwin is a liar, period.

What's there to even debate if you're a Christian. And that's because it's God's gift of faith that truly separates the believer from an unbeliever.
---christan on 1/11/13


Mark Axe: "This blog question is, on its very face, deceptive and misleading"

No, it is not. But your response is.

Jesus wrote with His own finger in stone:

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is ...

Charles Darwin wrote:

"The evolution of the human race will not be accomplished in the ten
thousand years of tame animals, but in the million years of wild animals,
because man is and will always be a wild animal."

Which one do you believe?


---jerry6593 on 1/11/13


Read These Insightful Articles About Online Stores


James L, you seem to think we are here to condemn you an others when all we are doing is correcting mistakes we see in Scripture for the glory of God not for ourselves, but your wrong. You first made a comment he was acting as infallible when he said what he did, and there was nothing there to that effect. You are looking for something not there to begin with, then you said,

That's what I'm getting at. If people are guided into truth, that means they're guided OUT OF error."

The Spirit does guide us unto all Truth for He never lies. It doesn't mean you will not be guided by error from some other source. The passage is talking about the work of the Spirit in a believers life. Not some other source that you listen to.
---Mark_V. on 1/11/13


"Christan and Leon both insinuated it in their assertions that Christians cannot believe error" JamesL

Firstly, I don't speak for Leon. Now, I don't "insinuate" and that's because Christ clearly taught that when one is "born of the Spirit", "the Spirit of truth, is come, will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come."

So how is there room for lies to penetrate the Spirit, who's God? This is a personal promise by Christ which you don't seem to believe. So why even bother to call yourself a Christian to begin with?
---christan on 1/10/13


Strongaxe: The Bible says, "Let everything that has "BREATH" praise the Lord." (Ps. 150:6) As you know, animals breathe like we do. The Bible clearly says God breathed into Adam's nostrils & he became a living soul. (G2:7) To me that logically implies God also breathed life into all the other creatures He made as well. I believe the Lord requires we effectively use the minds He gave us to connect the dots between what He says & what He implies. Darwin's opinions significantly conflict with what God's word directly says & indirectly implies.

James_L: Perhaps when Martin Luther said that, he hadn't yet gotten God's revelation of the Book of James. But, that hasn't anything to do with the Darwin issue. :)
---Leon on 1/10/13


Leon,
I get what you're saying, and in what context you made your statement.

I was simply asking to what ends could your statement reach.

When I read it, what really crossed my mind is Martin Luther's assessment of the book of James, calling it an epistle of straw.

He questioned the canonicity of other books as well. What do we make of his Christianity? Should we base it on reception of certain texts, or faith in Christ?
---James_L on 1/10/13


Read These Insightful Articles About Business Training


This blog question is, on its very face, deceptive and misleading. It assumes, without proof, the notion that anyone who believes in evolution is automatically believing Darwin "over" Jesus, as if the two were mutually exclusive. Jesus said absolutely nothing about how animals came to be. But even of one looks to Genesis, all it says is THAT God created animals. It does not give any details as to HOW he does so. Darwin's solution of evolution does only speaks to HOW life was created, not WHO/WHAT did so. So the two accounts are about totally different and independent things.
---StrongAxe on 1/10/13


James_L: You've read more into my comments than you should've & have missed my intended point. True, no one is perfect & we're all prone to daily make mistakes (sin). However, the mistakes we make are either unintentional or very intentional.

For me it's an issue of who are you listening to & believing, God or Darwin? You jumped track with the argument of one reading & wrongly interpreting the Bible in contrast to one actively reading, believing & following the teachings of Darwin ( & others) over the Bible.

No condemnation friend. :) I have no heaven or hell to put anyone in. I believe, as a Christian, there is no more accurate teaching than the God-inspired Bible. To believe otherwise is unchristian.
---Leon on 1/10/13


\\When did Christan suggest he was infallible?\\
---Mark V

Christan and Leon both insinuated it in their assertions that Christians cannot believe error


\\He does guide us to all Truth...It does not mean He reveals to everyone the same Truth at the same moment.\\
---Mark_V. on 1/10/13

That's what I'm getting at. If people are guided into truth, that means they're guided OUT OF error.

We believe errors, and the Spirit corrects the errors over time

So to say that it's not possible for a Christian to believe man over God is to deny the working of the Holy Spirit to GUIDE believers into truth

Christan makes it sound as if all truth is imparted the moment someone is born again
---James_L on 1/10/13


"Does that mean you are infallible?" JamesL

"infallible"? How is believing in the Truth makes one "infallible"? The Christian who receives the Spirit will also tell you that his flesh still sins, that's why there's a struggle like Paul taught in Romans 7.

"BTW, Jesus never promised that every believer would be guided into all truth. That was a promise to the apostles who were with Him that night."

Now, you're twisting the word promised by Christ to those who are "born the Spirit", which is what John 16 teaches and not only pertaining to the apostles. You're in unbelief and you don't even know it.
---christan on 1/10/13


Read These Insightful Articles About Software


There are creationists also who believe Charles Darwin over Christ, because they live like life is about survival of the fittest, and compete with other self-favoring groups.

But Paul says, "For we dare not class ourselves or compare ourselves with those who commend themselves. But they, measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise." (2 Corinthians 10:12)

I find it interesting how ones believe molecules could make creatures so marvelous and complicated, but then would make humans as highly inventive but dumbly destructive as humans have been.
---willie_c: on 1/10/13


My grandson's teacher is teaching darwin but they can't say Jesus in school. something wrong with that scene.
---shira4368 on 1/10/13


James L, if you are speaking on behalf of God and for His glory why did you say,

"Does that mean you are infallible? BTW, Jesus never promised that every believer would be guided into all truth. That was a promise to the apostles who were with Him that night.">

When did Christan suggest he was infallible? At no time did he mention that or sounded as if he was. The promise in the context was for the apostles but was a promise to all believers. He does guide us to all Truth. Never does He guide us to lies. It does not mean He reveals to everyone the same Truth at the same moment. Revelation keeps coming all through our lives. But it is never a lie, its all Truth.
---Mark_V. on 1/10/13


JamesL: "BTW, Jesus never promised that every believer would be guided into all truth. That was a promise to the apostles who were with Him that night."

I disagree. My reading of John 16 gives the audience as "disciples" - not "apostles". All us Christians are discples, and may be "guided into all truth". Isn't that why you're here?

The Bible is clearly at variance with Darwin. Study them both to satisfy yourself which is truth and which is error. I did.


---jerry6593 on 1/10/13


Read These Insightful Articles About Advertising


\\To say a Christian can and believe in Darwin or anything outside the Truth of the Word is an impossibility.\\
---christan on 1/9/13

Does that mean you are infallible?

BTW, Jesus never promised that every believer would be guided into all truth. That was a promise to the apostles who were with Him that night.
---James_L on 1/9/13


James_l,

i get what you are saying. good point.
---aka on 1/9/13


A Christian is one who's "born of the Spirit of God", which means God's Spirit is present in the man's once dead spirit. It is therefore impossible for the Christian falling foul over the wiles and lies of the devil. It's a promise by Christ,

"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come."

To say a Christian can and believe in Darwin or anything outside the Truth of the Word is an impossibility.
---christan on 1/9/13


\\Jerry's question focuses directly on people who believe Darwin OVER Jesus\\
---Leon

I'm well aware of that. But your blanket statement seems to extend well beyong this one issue.

\\Faith comes by hearing, believing & living by what God says ~ not by what people say in opposition to God.\\
---Leon

That' what I'm getting at. Where does your indictment stop?

If you're convinced that you're correctly reading/interpreting/following, and someone disagrees with you in any tiny aspect, you should probably think they're following man and not God. Right ??

Maybe you should rethink your condemnation, as others could accuse you of the same thing if you don't agree with them on every issue
---James_L on 1/9/13


Read These Insightful Articles About Eating Disorders


James_L: Jerry's question focuses directly on people who believe Darwin OVER Jesus.

If anyone seriously believes what Charles Darwin (or anyone else) says trumps the Word of God, then I'd recommend such a person) evaluate (search them self to see) whether he/she really is a Christian (born again) in his/her beliefs.

Faith comes by hearing, believing & living by what God says ~ not by what people say in opposition to God. Anyone who claim to be Christian, but thinks Darwin's theories trump God's Word is double-minded & struggles to serve two masters. Such a person is unstable like the Gollum/Smeabol character in the Lord of the Rings/Hobbits. Such a person isn't Christlike & therefore isn't a Christian.
---Leon on 1/9/13


Leon,

what do mean by "can't" ??

Do you mean that it isn't possible?
Or do you mean that it isn't advisable?

Either way, every person believes man over God in some regard. Whether that man is himself, or Darwin, or somebody else.

If two Christians disagree about any topic at all, then at least one of the has beleved a man over God in that issue. Either that, or God gave conflicting info to two people.

It *sounds* as if you're saying that the only people who are Christians are those who never disagree about anything at all. That all Christians agree about every tiny word in every issue.

Otherwise, at least one believed a man - and therefore isn't a Christian?
---James_L on 1/9/13


You can't be a Christian & believe man over God.
---Leon on 1/9/13


Copyright© 1996-2015 ChristiaNet®. All Rights Reserved.