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Now show us how swine, shrimp or any uncleam meat is a shadow of a holy God /Jesus Christ.
---francis on 1/17/13

that is a ridiculous statement. nobody (i hope) ever said unclean food is a shadow of things to come and you cannot prove something that was never said.
---aka on 1/17/13


Since when did God create unclean things?

Romans 14:14
I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself:

Furthermore, the false prophet of the SDA who peeped and muttered, namely Ellen Gould White (whose name adds up to 666) said in her letters that she would eat tinned oysters.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/17/13


God created everything for us to eat. Man, on the other hand, think that he can create foods better than God (GM foods, for instance). What ever God created is good for man, what ever man creates is bad for man.
---Steveng on 1/17/13


Now show us how swine, shrimp or any uncleam meat is a shadow of a holy God /Jesus Christ.
---francis on 1/17/13

Don't need to.

---Mark_Eaton on 1/17/13

Because you are unable to
Nothing in the entire bible which is unclean can be a shadow of a holy God

Matthew 15:20 but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

Do not try and say that Jesus sais to eat unclean meats will not defile

Can you tell the diference betwene unwashed hands, and unclean meats?

2 Peter 3:16 which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest,.. the .. scriptures, unto their own destruction.
---francis on 1/17/13


Now show us how swine, shrimp or any uncleam meat is a shadow of a holy God /Jesus Christ.
---francis on 1/17/13

Don't need to.

Jesus already settled the matter by declaring "it does not defile you by what you put in your mouth".

Why don't you accept Jesus as the truth? He is the way, the TRUTH, and the life. If Jesus says it, then it is so. This is the second truth of yours that is contradicted by Jesus.

Jesus has all the fullness of diety in Him and if He declared that I cannot be defiled by "unclean" food, then no matter what you say it is settled by the Lord.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/17/13




Colossians 2:16 the shadow things that have their substance in Christ.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/17/13

lets see now

Meat offering ( Animal sacrifice) as a shadow has it's substance in Christ... Cor 5:7 Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

drink Offerings has it's substance in Christ... 1 Corinthians 11:25 This cup is the new testament in my blood:

Now show us how swine, shrimp or any uncleam meat is a shadow of a holy God /Jesus Christ.
---francis on 1/17/13


NOT ABOUT DIET
---francis on 1/16/13

Really? How much plainer can Scripture be?

Colossians 2:16 is about not letting anyone (including you) judge me for not conforming to your religious practices about food, drink, festivals, sabbath days and any of the shadow things that have their substance in Christ.

Why? Because I am His, He is my Lord and you are not. I am born of Him. He has freed me from the elementary things and I am complete in Him. But I need to hold fast to Him because all the vain philosophy and regulations that come from religion will want to enslave me in their required practices and teachings of men.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/17/13


jerry,

let's be clear. i am talking jesus christ not micheal the christ.

if you think there was an "old testament" in jesus' time, you are in serious denial or you lack knowledge.
---aka on 1/17/13


Hebrews 9:10 [Which stood] only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed [on them] until the time of reformation.
---francis on 1/16/13

Heb 9:11 But...
---aka on 1/17/13


Francis, God did keep the old covenant. He did not BREAK IT! WE did! NO man followed it!

Sometimes I wonder if you have EVER read the book of Hebrews. It is very clear in that God saw need of a NEW covenant... a BETTER covenant! (Heb 8:7-10)Christ fulfilled the OLD covenant perfectly, he didnt do away with it. (Matthew 5:17) That is why HE is the author of eternal salvation for US. Faith in HIM is the New Covenant. He is our only means of salvation. Not the law!

You cannot save yourself with the law. You will perish trying to do so. Please wake up!
---JackB on 1/17/13




aka: The Torah was not scripture to Christ - the Old Testament was. It should not be scripture to Christians, either.

I repeat:

Why do you say that? Where's the scripture?


---jerry6593 on 1/17/13


//aka: "Peter could no longer make that claim of only eating clean food."

Why do you say that? Where's the scripture?// jerry

you haven't read in the bible about the incident at Antioch?

the torah was scripture to the jews. the didn't have the bible then.

bon apetite!
---aka on 1/16/13


Col 2:16 "So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths"
--Mark_Eaton on 1/16/13
NOT ABOUT DIET

Leviticus 23:37 These are the FEASTS OF THE LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a MEAT offering, a sacrifice, and DRINK offerings, every thing upon his day:

Hebrews 9:1 Then verily the first [covenant] had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.

Hebrews 9:10 [Which stood] only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed [on them] until the time of reformation.
---francis on 1/16/13


francis:

God's convenents are constantly changing.

God permitted Noah and his descendents to eat flesh of animals (something hitherto forbidden them). He gave Abraham circumcision. He gave Moses additional laws. He gave us his son for atonement for our sins, something previous millenia of Israel did not have. Under him, we are freed from bondage to The Law.

In every age, God does something new, but there will always be some who cling to what he did before, rejecting what is new. The Pharisees did this. They could not fathom how a God of Law and Justice could also be a God of Mercy.

In Les Miserables, the dutiful Javert jumps to his death because he cannot abandon the Law, which he followed his entire life, for Mercy.
---StrongAxe on 1/16/13


You deny God by going against his word, and choosing to reject his laws of clean and unclean foods and follow men who are law breakers, who have turned the grace of the Lord into a license to break Gods commands
---Follower_of_Christ on 1/16/13

Back at you:

Col 2:16 "So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths"

Col 2:21-23 "Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle', which all concern things which perish with the using according to the commandments and doctrines of men? These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh"
---Mark_Eaton on 1/16/13


You don't see the Law as coming from a loving Heavenly Father
Mark_Eaton on 1/16/13
HHHMM well, lets examing some of my past posts:

God Laws are founded on his CHARACTER: LOVE! which is a SPIRITUAL CHARACTER
francis on 5/15/12

Isaiah 28:21 For the LORD shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work, and bring to pass his act, his strange act.

Romans 3:5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance?

Romans 3:6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?

A loving God would not have it any other way but to irradicate sin
---francis on 1/16/13


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Psalms 138:2 Proverbs 30:5 Luke 8:21, 11:28 John 10:35

Those who believe every word of God eat only foods God declares are clean. The unconverted reject Gods Word and choose to continue to live as the sinner.



Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

You deny God by going against his word, and choosing to reject his laws of clean and unclean foods and follow men who are law breakers, who have turned the grace of the Lord into a license to break Gods commands.
---Follower_of_Christ on 1/16/13


How does a holy God, and unchanging god go from promising death by fire for eating the abominations, to allowing his chosen people to eat the same abomination?
---francis on 1/15/13

I finally understand you.

You don't see the Law as coming from a loving Heavenly Father that created it for our good, rather you see the Law as coming from an untouchable, unfeeling entity that will zap us if we break them.

Why would God need us to eat certain things? God would not. But we certainly do. Look up the China Study and see how eating animal protein is linked to cancer. Or the Essylstyn study and see how eating animal protein is linked to heart disease.

Its for our good.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/16/13


---Phil on 1/16/13
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines

This text tells us that Jesus does not change his DOCTRINES. NONE of the doctrines of Jesus on clean and unclean will not change


YHWH does not change but obviously his covenants do.
---JackB on 1/16/13
NOPE:
Psalms 138:2 thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

Psalms 89:34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.

God NEVER breaks or changes his covenant. When we paint God as one who changes his word what are we saying about the character God?

James 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
---francis on 1/16/13


Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same [G846] yesterday, and to day, and for ever."

This passage from Hebrews is used to make blanket statements to support many a false teaching. In this case the ordinances concerning foods.

Once He would not allow them to carry weapons. At another time He bade them do so. He changes His commands.

He has been the Servant and Saviour. He will be the King and the Judge. In all this He is the same [G846] person, but He will be changed from the Crucified Criminal to the Sovereign of the Universe.

His administrations change, His dispensations to men change, but not His Person.

He remains the same Saviour He has always been throughout the eons.
---Phil on 1/16/13


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YHWH does not change but obviously his covenants do.

While at one time he required us to live according to the law of commandments, it was to PROVE US GUILTY BEFORE HIM! The law could never save anyone! It can only condemn.

UNtil a person can admit defeat and their total dependence upon God in Christ for their total salvation, they will remain eternally separated from YWHW.

"For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. "

Make sure you arent one of the "they".
---JackB on 1/16/13


aka: "Peter could no longer make that claim of only eating clean food."

Why do you say that? Where's the scripture? The Torah is not binding as it is man-made law - just as Christ taught. The fact is that ALL the disciples of Christ were Jews and ate only clean meats.


---jerry6593 on 1/16/13


And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter, kill, and eat.
But Peter said, Not so, Lord, for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.


I am persuaded by that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

Peace
---TheSeg on 1/16/13


At some point in time you have to consider the character of God:

James 1:17 the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

And ask yourself seriously, have you been deceived into believing that some how God has changed?

Leviticus 11:11 They shall be even an abomination unto you, ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.

How does a holy God, and unchanging god go from promising death by fire for eating the abominations, to allowing his chosen people to eat the same abomination?

If God can accept the abomination of food, why not the same partner abomination?
---francis on 1/15/13


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Matt 15:11 "Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man, but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man"

Leviticus 11:44 For I [am] the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy, for I [am] holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

We know that Jesus will not contradict the law and the prophets

So what is he truely saying:

Matthew 15:20 to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

It is right there, no getting around it
---francis on 1/15/13


Matt 15:11 "Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man,
---Mark_Eaton on 1/15/13
Unchanging with this:
Leviticus 11:43... neither shall ye make yourselves unclean with them, that ye should be defiled thereby

---JackB on 1/15/13
Romans 14:15 But if thy brother be grieved with [thy] meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.

1 Corinthians 10:28 But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake:

1 Corinthians 10:29 Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other:

Romans 14 is about clean meats once offered to idols not about clean and unclean meats
---francis on 1/15/13


people of conscience are naturally drawn to an UNCHANGING DOCTRINE
---francis on 1/15/13

This is unchanging doctrine...

Gen 9:3 "Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs"

Matt 15:11 "Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man, but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man"

Acts 15:29 "that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality"

Col 2:16 "So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths"
---Mark_Eaton on 1/15/13


Francis,

Romans 14:1-3

Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not, and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.


Scripture is clear that those who are "weak" in the faith still worry about what foods they should eat and what days they should herald as holy. Maybe its time for you to grow and to stop trying to teach.
---JackB on 1/15/13


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---trey on 1/14/13
All those being written before Paul wrote to Timothy and yet there was no NT. Christians relied on the writing of the OT and were encouraged, or corrected by NT letters

Most of all nowhere in Matthew, Mark, Luke, John or does God ever sanctify anything which is called unclean for eating

Matthew 15:2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
Matthew 15:20... to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.


Mark 7:2 And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.

the entire context is about eating with UNWASHED hands not about clean and unclean meats
---francis on 1/14/13


---Mark_Eaton on 1/14/13
What we should eat is a BIBLE topic, It's a command from God, not a SDA topic

But looking at the SDA doctrine is unavoidable

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines.

When a person of conscience hears in his or her church a doctrine that says we could not eat pork under the OT, but under the NT we can. Logic dictates that the look at SDA doctrine on the matter, since SDA teaches that we could not eat pork yesterday, we cannot eat pork today, and we will not eat pork forever

people of conscience are naturally drawn to an UNCHANGING DOCTRINE

James 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
---francis on 1/15/13


StrongAxe,
The real point is this:
1Tim4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Tim4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Every creature means every creature.

Paul also said this:
1Cor8:8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better, neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.

I also feel convicted concerning this topic and need to add:
1Co8:9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.

In other words we should not use this subject as a stumbling block to offend. We should always hold up the name of Christ!!!
---trey on 1/15/13


trey:

The fact that a few gospels and/or letters may have been written at the time doesn't change the fact that the New Testament (i.e. a single unified body of work) did not, at that time, exist. Simiarly, Massachussetts existed in 1775, but the United States didn't.
---StrongAxe on 1/14/13


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//Axey: Apparently, you are not aware of Peter's testimony years after the cross:

Act 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord, for I have NEVER eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

Peter believed the Holy Scriptures. Too bad that many Christians today do not.//
---jerry6593 on 1/14/13

//jerry,

you do understand that years after that, Peter was admonished by Paul for withdrawing from eating with Gentiles. Eating with Gentiles was forbidden according to the Torah as it violated kosher dietary laws.

so, Peter could no longer make that claim of only eating clean food.//
---aka on 1/14/13

good point.
---aka on 1/14/13


\\Nowhere in the word of God not NT surely not OT does God eat any and everything\\

Actually, God doesn't eat anything at all, and nobody ever said God did.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/14/13


francis, let us examine the facts, although I'm sure you will not listen.

The Apostle Paul wrote 1st Timothy between 62 and 66AD.
The gospel of Matthew was written around 60 AD, Mark between 50 and 60 AD, and Luke between 59 and 62 AD. In other words your statement that the NT did not exist is in error.

The truth of the matter is that anytime your doctrine is disproved with scripture you simply discount the facts.

Yes MARK_EATON you are correct!
---trey on 1/14/13


Mark_Eaton:

The easiest way to avoid discussing topics you consider silly is to just avoid them altogether. If all sensible people avoided all silly topics, those topics would wither on the vine, and only silly people would waste their time discussing them and worry about them.

Unfortunately, none of us seems to have that much sense!
---StrongAxe on 1/14/13


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Why do we continually discuss SDA topics? Can anyone but me see how they bait the hook and pull us in?

If you do not know the Word of God, you will continually be pulled in by them. The Scriptures tell us to not follow the fool in his folly. Do not follow them into their folly.

Unless you are Orthodox Jew, there is no reason to follow the dietary laws. They were dispelled by Jesus when He said:

Matt 15:11 "Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man, but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man".
---Mark_Eaton on 1/14/13


Christians are not limited on the food they are allowed to eat!
1Tim4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Tim4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
---trey on 1/14/13
When the apostle Paul wrote this there was no NT. The phrase word of God in this verses refers to what had been written in what we now call the books of the OT

Nowhere in the word of God not NT surely not OT does God eat any and everything

Only certain animals are set aside ( sanctified) by the word of God for food
---francis on 1/14/13


Christians are not limited on the food they are allowed to eat!
1Tim4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Tim4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

The Apostle Paul warns us against such men that tell us to abstain from certain meats.
1Tim4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

The problem we see here is that some do not believe or they do not know the truth or both!

Some do not have ears to hear and some refuse to hear. Some know what the scriptures teach but would rather follow their own beliefs.
---trey on 1/14/13


jerry, you do understand that years after that, Peter was admonished by Paul for withdrawing from eating with Gentiles. Eating with Gentiles was forbidden according to the Torah as it violated kosher dietary laws.

so, Peter couuld no longer make that only eating clean food.
---aka on 1/14/13


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---Mark_V. on 1/14/13
Explain to us how one who is saved by grace through faith, who follows these:
Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image,..
Exodus 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain,
Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exodus 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother:
Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not Kill.
Exodus 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Exodus 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness.
Exodus 20:17 Thou shalt not covet
and will not eat anything that God calls unclean is in any bondage, or places another person in bondage
---francis on 1/14/13


jed, only if they are kosher
---aka on 1/14/13


francis, it hurt you to hear a child of God say"

"I am saddened and hurt by your post. I really am.
It hurts me deeply when a child of God claims that any law of God creates bondage"


It hurts you because you are under the law, and do not understand what bondage is. Only a child of God can see that the law brings bondage to the unbelievers. Believers are not in bondage to the law, we have been set free from the bondage and condemnation of the Law. Keeping the whole Law is impossible. That is why its impossible to be saved by the law. Unbelievers do not believe the word of God, so don't believe they are in bondage. They are doing the desires of the prince of the power of the air and don't even know it.
---Mark_V. on 1/14/13


Axey: Apparently, you are not aware of Peter's testimony years after the cross:

Act 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord, for I have NEVER eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

Peter believed the Holy Scriptures. Too bad that many Christians today do not.


---jerry6593 on 1/14/13


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Can Christians eat other people?
---Jed on 1/13/13


--StrongAxe on 1/12/13

I am saddened and hurt by your post. I really am.

It hurts me deeply when a child of God claims that any law of God creates bondage

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Psalms 119:44 So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever.
And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.
I will speak of thy testimonies also before kings, and will not be ashamed.
And I will delight myself in thy commandments, which I have loved.

Only SIN, disobedience to God's laws create bondage

My heart goes out to you, if you believe that obedience to any of Gods laws create bondage
---francis on 1/13/13


1Cliff, I'm not an authority on the after life. The only authority I have is at home and only sometimes.
Your problem is, you do not have faith in the Word of God. you question it because many things do not appeal to you. It's either not loving enough, or not loving at all. God is not the god you created in your mind. You have a set of rules you follow and you want God to follow your rules. There is many things I do not understand but I believe it by faith. I trust in the Word of God even if I don't understand. Maybe one day He will reveal some things He hasn't yet. Hell or a place of torment is in Scripture. And God is an all consuming fire. It might not be literal fire in the lake of fire but whatever it is the worm will not die.
---Mark_V. on 1/13/13


francis:

Yes, yes, yes. God was quite specific to Moses about this and that things that the Jews could eat and could not eat. There were many specific laws about this (and many other things). But guess what? So many rules create bondage. Paul spoke of this - he talked about how he proudly kept the law, but it was a law unto death. Only under Jesus, was he (and also the rest of us) freed from bondage to the law. You can't be freed from bondage to a law if you are still expected to keep it (on pain of death), now, can you?
---StrongAxe on 1/12/13


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I think Jesus is more concerned about the spiritual food we eat than the food we put into our physical bodies.
---barb on 1/12/13
That would be true only if God did not specify what we can or cannot eat.
Not only did God / Jesus specify what we can and cannot eat, he also gave the judgment for not complying with these dietary laws:
God cares about our health, what we eat is directly related to our health

3 John 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth
---francis on 1/12/13


I think Jesus is more concerned about the spiritual food we eat than the food we put into our physical bodies. He is the living bread of Life. John 6:48-51. The Words of Jesus are Spirit and they are life. John 6:63-64.

Jesus was born into this world to bring us the truth. John 18:37. His Words are the truth that we need to consume so that we can abide and live in Truth just as He said in John 8:31-32 and John 8:42-47.

Jesus also taught that those who love Him will keep His Words and that His Words are the same Words spoken by His Father. John 14:23-24.
---barb on 1/12/13


\\cliff, none of the hell's you listed are in my king james bible. hell is listed.
---shira4368 on 1/11/13\\

All four of those words are used in the Greek and Hebrew, shira.

It is interesting that St. Jude did not hesitate to use a word borrowed from pagan mythology: Tartaros, which appears in a verb form.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/12/13


---shira4368 on 1/11/13

All the New Testament writers recorded their words in the Greek language.

Common people need translations because they don't understand Greek.

You and I are common people. We rely on translations. As with any language-to-another language translation, there will be errors and mistakes.

All the versions have mistakes, and none of them were inspired by God. They are all copies of the Originals.
Regarding one version better than another is not wise. All versions have errors.

Reliance on the versions is not good. Poor translating principles have resulted in schisms in the body.
---Phil on 1/12/13


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We are Children of God.
God should tell us what to eat
---francis on 1/12/13


I have lost some weight. It is nice. -pat

pat, since i am a single parent, my kids get all the new clothes. i have lost about 35 lbs in 6 months and now as of today, we fit the same t-shirt size. YEAH...NEW CLOTHES!

(He is only 10, but he is almost as tall as me.)
---aka on 1/12/13


I try to think before I eat! I have lost some weight. It is nice. I believe it should be up to each individual what they eat. Children are told what to do. Adults should be left a lone in much of what others especially the powerful who don't really know what they are doing can not even balance a budget, let it be right or wrong they do not know! Is trying to tell everybody else what to do.
---pat on 1/12/13


Shira: The four different words with three different meanings have all been translated "hell" in the KJV, that is the reason confusion is the result of shallow study!
The bible did not originate in English!
---1st_cliff on 1/12/13


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cliff, none of the hell's you listed are in my king james bible. hell is listed.
---shira4368 on 1/11/13


//Isaiah 66...This is not about THE JEWS.// francis

Isa 1:4 Ah, sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, offspring of evildoers, children who deal corruptly! They have forsaken the LORD, they have despised the Holy One of Israel, they are utterly estranged.

can you show me where he was talking to someone else?
---aka on 1/11/13


Shira, Of the four "hells" listed in the bible ,Sheol,Hades,Tarterus and Gehenna, Which one is the "literal" one you mentioned?
---1st_cliff on 1/11/13


markv, God said the unsaved will be in torment for eternity. some here don't believe that so how can they believe any other part of scripture? the bible teaches a literal hell. it was prepared for satan and his angels. hell enlarges itself to handle all the infidels who reject Jesus Christ.
---shira4368 on 1/11/13


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The cows at Chik-fil-A tell me to eat more chicken so that's what I've been doing.
---Jed on 1/11/13


Isaiah 66:15 For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Isaiah 66:16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.

Isaiah 66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

This is not about THE JEWS.

This is what happens when Jesus returns
---francis on 1/11/13


Mark V, Since you are an authority on the "after life" perhaps you can answer my Q?
This waft of smoke or nothingness that you imagine leaves the body (fundamentalists seem to dance between soul and spirit)(can't seem to tell the difference) at death,has no physical properties,just how does it feel pain,especially by fire!
---1st_cliff on 1/11/13


All things are out of God, and through thanksgiving food is sanctified by faith.
---Phil on 1/11/13

Timothy 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

sanctified by the word of God, which in this context referrs to what god set aside for food in the OT
---francis on 1/11/13


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there is a restaurant that still make biscuits with lard. my mother in law used it all her life. there is no limits on what we can eat however, we know some things are bad for us such as lard, pork, bacon, ham but it sure taste good.
---shira4368 on 1/11/13


My grandfather ate "lardbread", bread grilled in pork drippings, until he died at age 88. He fell over in his backyard tending his garden and hit his head. Since the gash in his head produced very little blood, they assumed his heart stopped before he hit the ground.

It's all about the temple of God, and what goes in it. All things are out of God, and through thanksgiving food is sanctified by faith.

It is not what goes in a man that defiles him. It is what comes from his heart and out of his mouth. This is what will be judged.

God is the Justifier of the ungodly and the sinner. What he eats before God is between the both of them, and not others.
---Phil on 1/11/13


What foods can Christians eat? What can we not eat?
---jamea3475 on 1/9/13 1

Timothy 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1 Timothy 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Well, let us see what has been SANCTIFIED by THE WORD OF GOD

Leviticus 11:44 For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy, for I am holy:..This is the law of the beasts, and the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth: To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.
---francis on 1/11/13


1Cliff, animals do not have to answer to God for what they did in this life, they are animals. People do have to answer to Almighty God for what they did in this life if they are without Christ. I suppose if four or five guys went to your home, killed your whole family, raped and tortured your child, tied him with wires, beat him in the head and spladered his brains all over, and then went some place else and did the same thing to other families, they should be led into heaven because, after all God is love.
You are wrong. They will get their just punishment, and it will not be annihilation which many here lobbie for, because they will know Him as an all-consuming fire. Punishment implies pain and they will get pain that doesn't end.
---Mark_V. on 1/11/13


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aka, Glad you're an authority on spirits!
**They don't have nerve endings**? no central nervous system? How is pain inflicted? Fire is not necessary for psychological pain!
In any case human pain is less stressing to witness than animal pain? Is that how it works? (regardless of who the inflickter is)
---1st_cliff on 1/10/13


How does that work???
---1st_cliff on 1/10/13

one is determined by man...the other God. and it is twisting of the scriptures anyway. spirits do not have nerve endings.
---aka on 1/10/13


Many "Christians" on here are appalled at the way animals are tortured and slaughtered yet belief in humans being tortured by fire eternally is OK with them!
How does that work???
---1st_cliff on 1/10/13


A Christian can eat whatever they want unless it causes another to stumble.
---JIM on 1/10/13


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I love to eat beef. I'll take a New York Strip steak at Outback Steak House any time.
---Jed on 1/10/13


my son picked up a load of fresh turkey from chicago. He had to wait til they killed the turkey. I agree with aka, animals do suffer especially a pig. the hand them upside down and cut their throats and let them bleed to death. I just don't eat meat...rarely
---shira4368 on 1/10/13


I have been told how lobsters can eat another living creature, just grabbing it and using one claw to saw it apart a bit at a time to eat. What goes around comes around, lobster!

"Do all things without complaining and disputing, that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation" (in Philippians 2:14-16)

If you want to find out how to love, don't feed on "complaining and disputing" > also, this can be torture and damaging to children.
---willie_c: on 1/10/13


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