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In Christendom who or what has the authority of what believers are to believe and how they should conduct their lives? Is it a denomination, pope, pastor, priest, bishop, church, group, or other?

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MarkV, I said PEACE I leave you....

Don't have time for silly boored housewives who have nothing better to do than go on and on and on like a raving maniac.

Didn't the Woman at the well say, "You are the Christ".

She didn't say, "oh you are the Eternal Son".
---kathr4453 on 2/1/13


Kathr, again you assault the eternal Son of God. When Jesus asked, "who do you say that I Am?" you answered wrong. You say He became the Son. In (Isaiah 9:6) Christ is declared to be not only "Mighty God" but also "everlasting Father" or better translated, "Father of eternity" For His title is defined as referring to the (eternal I AM) (Ex. 3:14). So please do not pity me. How can you pity the one who gives you the Truth?
Second, I never said,
"No elect has to beg for mercy after they are saved."
But the elect do ask for mercy once he is drawn to God, for once his heart is changed by God through regeneration, he will see his sin and ask for mercy.
---Mark_V. on 2/1/13


1 John 5:11
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God, that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1 John 5:20
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
---kathr4453 on 2/1/13


Rev 19:13
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

1 John 1:1
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life,

Notice Word is Capitolized. This is/was and will always be HIS NAME. And because I believe God's WORD exactly as God spoke it, markv curses me. WHY?

Is it spiritual, mental, ignorance or just plain evil?
---kathr4453 on 2/1/13


JESUS is one with the Father. John 1 and the Father is eternal.

Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them, for God hath shewed [it] unto them.


Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse:
---Samuelbb7 on 1/31/13




Please show one verse that says "Eternal Son".

I believe the WORD, who is GOD was made flesh, and that scripture I showed you.

You have mental issues Markv, and I really do pity you.

No elect has to beg for mercy after they are saved. Mercy is a gift given with Grace. You can't separate the two. So you say you begged for grace/salvation after you were saved.

Where then is faith. Did you not BELIEVE GOD?

Your confusion has caused so much bitterness within yourself. I do hope you can resolve this torment you have within when confronted with the truth.

Peace I leave you now.
---kathr4453 on 1/31/13


Kathr, I respond to you when you mention my name and many times my family. I told you before, I am not afraid of evil no matter where it comes from. I tried for two years been kind and respectful to you. That did not work. So I can only give you Scripture, put it down, break it down for you, when you speak against the truth. I also answer you to what you have already told us about yourself. How you came to Christ on your own free will without faith. I told you it was impossible. Gave you Scripture. You rejected it with another arguement. You also said the Son was not eternal, that He became the Son, I told you you were wrong, gave you the passage, explained it to you, yet you again rejected the Truth. All I do is show where you are wrong.
---Mark_V. on 1/31/13


Shira, I disagree with you, and you are Blind = opposite of see, to markv's vicious remarks.
---kathr4453 on 1/31/13


kathr, when we tell someone what God did for us, that is an intrance point to tell the lost about Jesus. have you ever did a study on opposites? I will give you a few.God---satan____light---dark___grief---joy____righteous--unrighteous___believer---unbeliever___clean--unclean. I have tons of the opposites which can all have a spiritual meaning. you really do come across as attacking everyone you respond to especially markv.
---shira4368 on 1/31/13


MarkV, there you go again making personla accusations believing yourself to be God Himself. Praise God you are not, but have hatred in your heart.

the Opposite of LOVE is only one thing HATRED.

You know you have passed from death to life when you LOVE the Brethren.

And you may want to read 1st John 3:6...

Are you saying 1st John does not apply to US?

When all you can talk about on line is ME ME GOD SAVED ME, and not preach the cross, or the Gospel to the lost...yep, that's hatred through and through. You have no LOVE for the lost, and condemn sinners according to your list of sin.

Thank God no one had to go through you before coming to the Father.
---kathr4453 on 1/31/13




Kathr, like I told Steveng, I have no hate for him or you, I don't like what comes out of your mouth, evil accusations, and attempts to make me sin. Because you are so far in darkness, you will never be able to come out to the light. Why? Because you practice evil.

"And this is the condemmnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than the light, "because their deeds were evil." Now hear this,

"For everyone praticing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed" (John 3:19,20).
Your deeds are exposed.
---Mark_V. on 1/31/13


Shira, when someone continues to post that another Christian does not know who Jesus Christ is, that my dear sister is hateful.
---kathr4453 on 1/31/13


Kathr, why do u have such hate in you? I don't know markv but most of his post are biblical. I just don't agree with his free will doctrine. I have not seen any of his post that was hateful.
---shira4368 on 1/30/13


No one said anything about seeing Him or meeting Him in person. but MarkV you did answer my question/statement. You do not KNOW Him.

I will pray that one day you will. Now I understand more deeply why you have this hatred in your heart for anyone who does KNOW the Lord.

---kathr4453 on 1/30/13


Kathr, in order to explain that you are saved, you now say:
"Not only do I know who Jesus is, the WORD made flesh, but I KNOW HIM PERSONALLY. Do you?"

Kathr, I do not know Jesus Christ personally. I have never met Him in person like Thomas and the disciples did. Jesus said to Thomas,
"Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. "Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed"

you see Kathr, I have never seen Him personally. But I am bless because I believe in Him. So no, no one can see Him, He is at the right hand of the Father.
---Mark_V. on 1/30/13


Kathr, you have no clue what I'm talking about, since you do not know who Jesus Christ is///

sNot only do I know who Jesus is, the WORD made flesh, but I KNOW HIM PERSONALLY. Do you? That I may KNOW HIM and the fellowship of His ufferings, and the Power of His Resurrection....being made conformable to His death....

You may know about Jesus Christ, markv, but you don't KNOW HIM as Paul did, and as I do!

So stop your judgemental arrogant legalistic pharisee comments, and stop making everything PERSONAL. Grow up MarkV. Everytime you make it personal, you lose credibility.
---kathr4453 on 1/29/13


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MarkV, it is you who does not have a clue what you are talking about. You ramble on and on with comments trying to sound soooooooooo intelligent, yet you totally are wrong here.

No one is arguing that the Trinity is GOD..ONE God in three persons. The Holy Spirit is not the Father, and not the Son. The Holy Spirit has no flesh and blood, nor does the Father. That is why the MEDIATOR between God and "Man" is the MAN Christ Jesus.

The Man Christ Jesus IS GOD, however is not the Father.

Get it now?

---kathr4453 on 1/29/13


Kathr, you have no clue what I'm talking about, since you do not know who Jesus Christ is. Jesus was the name given to the 100% human, Christ is the name of the Messiah, the Christ, who is not only Divine but eternal. When you argue you argue like the cults, on His human nature, and completely disregard His Divine nature, why? because they do not believe He is also Divine, neither do you. The human body of Jesus is the body Christ took in His incarnation.
"Therefore, when He came into the world (Christ) He said, Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, "But a body You have prepared for Me." (Heb. 10:5).
---Mark_V. on 1/29/13


\\You reject the very words of Jesus. Do you not understand that if Jesus is not One with the Father and the Holy Spirit\\

If you think this means they are the same divine Person, then you are the one who is confused, not I, and do not understand the world of Jesus.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 1/28/13


\\ Jesus is not only our Savior but also our father, this is in accordance with the Trinity, Even the Holy Spirit is in Christ.\\


This statement is ambiguous and sounds wrong. Is Jesus REALLY our "Father"? "The" Father? That is oneness doctrine.

No one can come to the Father except through His Son...would in fact contradict that Jesus is too the Father.

Did Jesus come to do the will of the Father, or His own will? He said NOT MY WILL, but Thine( The Fathers be done.

If Jesus is seated at the Right hand of the Father, is there two fathers sitting next to one another?
---kathr4453 on 1/28/13


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Cluny, you are the one who is confused. You reject the very words of Jesus. Do you not understand that if Jesus is not One with the Father and the Holy Spirit He would be a separate God? They are One in essence, in nature. There is three distinct Persons, but all three make up the Godhead. The name Jesus was given to the holy human baby born of the Spirit, but His divine nature is a Godly nature, the same as the Father and the Holy Spirit. Christ is the Creator of all things, He is also Father to all. When the Holy Spirit indwells believers, we are told the Spirit of Christ is them. Jesus is declared to be
"Jehovah our righteousness" (1 Cor. 1:30). Christ is spoken of as both Jehovah and Elohim (Luke 3:4).
---Mark_V. on 1/28/13


markv, you are right again. cluny thinks he must reach as far back as the 200's to discredit you and me. actually he discredits everyone. the only thing I would reach that far back is the Holy Word of God.
---shira4368 on 1/27/13


This question for bro.Mark, tell me why Are the Jehovah Witness. They are the only people whose children are Exempt from millitary service! Why? I know this to be a fact since the 1970's!
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---ELENA on 1/27/13


\\ Jesus is not only our Savior but also our father, this is in accordance with the Trinity, Even the Holy Spirit is in Christ.\\

What you're spouting here is the heresy of Sabellian modalism, which was condemned at the end of the 200's.

It reappears as "oneness" or falsely labelled "apostolic faith."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/27/13


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Cluny, thanks for answering Kathr. She must have some anti-Calvin material from someone other who hates Calvin. Nothing stops her until God changes her.
Concerning the subject of Jesus the Father,
we hear in (John 14:8-10) Philip asking the Lord to show them the Father,
"Jesus said to him, Have I been with you so long and yet you have not known Me, Philip?" This was in answer to Philips question.
"He who has seen Me has seen the Father, so how can you say, "show us the Father? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father in Me?" Jesus is not only our Savior but also our father, this is in accordance with the Trinity, Even the Holy Spirit is in Christ.
---Mark_V. on 1/27/13


actually it says we are co-heirs with Jesus Christ so that means I am still a royal descendent. Jesus is King of Kings. it don't matter to me what you say cluny, I know what I am and where I'm going and I also know where I've been. why would Jesus build a mansion for us?
---shira4368 on 1/27/13


\\ I am a royal descendant because my Father is Jesus Christ. \\

Where does the Bible say that Jesus Christ is the father of believers?

BCV, please.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/26/13


cluny, you are wrong again. I am a royal descendant because my Father is Jesus Christ. I have a mansion waiting for me. there is something good about adoptions. once you adopt a child it is very very hard to unadopt them. see....I am truly a royal descendant.
---shira4368 on 1/26/13


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\\Calvin murdered after he said he was a christian, not before, making him a paid murderer in the name of teh Church! \\

Wrong again, kathr.

Calvin did not murder Servetus.

Can you give the actual names of people whom Calvin murdered? Bet you can't!

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/26/13


It is from our apostle who tells us about our new Inheritance,In the heavenlies, a home for the one Body of Christ eternal in the Heavens occupying and operating the invisible seats of governmental authority - 2Cor 5:1, Eph 1:11, Col 1:12-16, 3:24

Our new commission, being a faithful steward and ambassador-2 Cor 5:18-20, Eph 3:9 and 1Tim 2:4

We have a new revelation, Jesus Christ preached according to the doctrinal truths of this Mystery, recognizing that only Paul wrote of and taught others this New Revelation - Rom 16:25, 1Cor 2:7-13, 1Cor 9:17, Gal 1:11,12, Eph 3:1-5, Phil 4:9, Col 1:25,26
---michael_e on 1/26/13


An answer from Jesus. "What do the scriptures say?" Luke 10:26 What is written in the Law? he replied. How do you read it? It was significant to Jesus. Every new christian should do a word search through the New Testament and find and read each passage with the word "written". The question: "What is written?" The answer "It is written." The rebuttal: "It is also written." The closing statement: "NOTHING BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN." (1 Corinthians 4:6) 2 Timothy 3:16 "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness"
---bike on 1/26/13


The word Christian is use very losely. You just have to remember that genuine Christians do not go around killing anyone. Is it possible, I suppose it can be possible, but not likely. Many Christian were murderers at some time before they were saved. Like Paul and others. After conversion their whole lives was devoted to the gospel. Most of the ones in history, who were called Christian, were paid murderers working under that name of the Church.
---Mark_V. on 1/24/13


Calvin murdered after he said he was a christian, not before, making him a paid murderer in the name of teh Church!

Good one markv....I'm glad you have finally started to come around.
---kathr4453 on 1/25/13


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\\I had rather say "I'm a royal descendant"
---shira4368 on 1/25/13\\

And that is confusing, because "royal descendant" means that you are a Windsor, Borbon, or something similar.

Besides, we are children of the Heavenly King through ADOPTION, not descent. God has no grandchildren.

Try again.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/25/13


markv, you hit the nail on the head again. I was watching news on a major network and they said 90% of americans are christian. I don't like the word "christian" because it tends to emcompass many faiths and we know some faiths worship a false god. I had rather say "I'm a royal descendant"
---shira4368 on 1/25/13


Scripture has final authority, because it is the word of God. What man say, may or may not be true, what satan says is mixed with lies, But what God says, it is always truth. The believe that pastors have final authority begin at the Universal Catholic Church. They believe the pope has special assess to new revelation not in Scripture. Now many pastors and teachers are doing the same thing. New prophets are added, and they come out with new revelations, which really means what they were doing before was not right in the first place. Jehovah Witnesses come out with new revelations all the time. And when wrong, they say, they got new revelation from God.
---Mark_V. on 1/25/13


Rod4him, you say,

"In addition anymore I am getting where I don't care for the word Christian, because many "Christians" in the past killed many people in the name of Christ."

The word Christian is use very losely. You just have to remember that genuine Christians do not go around killing anyone. Is it possible, I suppose it can be possible, but not likely. Many Christian were murderers at some time before they were saved. Like Paul and others. After conversion their whole lives was devoted to the gospel. Most of the ones in history, who were called Christian, were paid murderers working under that name of the Church.
---Mark_V. on 1/24/13


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//Every time they wanted to speak against Christianity they would use the word Christendom, to separate themselves from Christianity. Now most of them consider themselves Christian.//

I didn't know that, but I did know that the JW, LDS, and Catholics are usually included in "Christendom," which makes it hard to use, but what other word would one use? In addition anymore I am getting where I don't care for the word Christian, because many "Christians" in the past killed many people in the name of Christ.

I met a man the other day, and his Jewish family migrated from Spain during the inquisition. I didn't know what to say in terms that "I am Christian."
---Rod4Him on 1/24/13


Kathr, it's easy to tell those who are washed by the Word of God and those who are not. You say,

"Your post here Markv is only your own theory/human wisdom, that there is no free choice to believe or not believe."
People do have a free choice. But they do not have a free will. So long as the will is in bondage to sin, it will never choose Christ. The will has to be set free from sin. Jesus said,
"...No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me, draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day." (John 6:43,44).

How can you be washed by the Word of God and say the Word lied? You argue unbelievers on their own ability can come to Christ. Jesus says they cannot, you say they can.
---Mark_V. on 1/24/13


//It's so easy to tell those who are brainwashed and who are washed in the Word.//

I like it...good phrase.

Years ago I memorized several books of the Bible, and I often thought it ruined me because when I heard or now hear a message, the message doesn't land.
---Rod4Him on 1/23/13


There is a verse in the OT, don't have time to look it up now, but you all should know it...."my people are sick for lack of knowledge".

All scripture is given to edify us. But so many choose to let others teach us rather than letting the Word transform us.

Sanctify through thy truth, the Word is truth.

If anyone needs wisdom, that is, the wisdom of God, then obey, and ASK GOD.

I promise, He will answer a sincere heart. He is a rewarded of those who diligently SEEK HIM.

It's so easy to tell those who are brainwashed and who are washed in the Word.
---kathr4453 on 1/23/13


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Rod4him, I also do not like the word "Christendom" because it was used so much by the Jehovah Witnesses. Every time they wanted to speak against Christianity they would use the word Christendom, to separate themselves from Christianity. Now most of them consider themselves Christian. Of which they are not. Their authority comes from the "Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society." They teach the Arian heresy, by affirming that Jesus Christ was merely the first and greatest of God's creatures created in time and elevated to the rank of "a god" just as it was taught by Arius of Alexandra in Egypt in the year "319) and now taught by the Jehovah Witnesses.
---Mark_V. on 1/23/13


Rod4him, God does not test us to find out anything. He already knows everything. When a pastor or anyone out there speaks the Truth of Scripture, it can and sometimes comes in power whether the person speaking the gospel knows it or not. If someone does not speak truth, it has no power whatsoever. Scripture tells us,
"Knowing, beloved brethren, your election by God, for our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power, and with the Holy Spirit and in much assurance, as you know what kind of men we were among you for your sake" ( 1 Thess. 1:4,5).
Because of God's election, those of the elect (who will become brethren-believers) will receive the truth in power and in the Holy Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 1/22/13


kathr, I hope you are right...that explains it.

//If what pastors and preachers preach is not what God calls for them to teach, it is not of God but their own rules and traditions.//

Exactly, but try telling them that. Furthermore, how does a "lay person" know if a person is called, by them telling me so?

I am dumbfounded how a person/"pastor" has the audacity to stand up in front and tell people that, "I speak what God has laid on my heart, and you should do this or that," as though s/he has some special revelation that others are not privy to.
---Rod4Him on 1/21/13


//God has the authority, through His Word.//

I agree...perhaps I am too sensitive, but I try to have an open heart before God all the time even at a "church," and then I get some gobbly goop that needs to be spit out, and there are seldom any bones left.
---Rod4Him on 1/21/13


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Rod4him, you asked,

"In Christendom who or what has the authority of what believers are to believe and how they should conduct their lives?"

God has the authority, through His Word. The Mod answered that question. If what pastors and preachers preach is not what God calls for them to teach, it is not of God but their own rules and traditions.
---Mark_V. on 1/21/13


And they overcame through the Blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony.

God puts before each one truth and lie, to test us. Being obedient to God and His word, really tests our faith. But it's this testing we go through that will bring persecution and suffering and even being ostracized , yet if you obey God rather than man, there are great eternal rewards beyond words.
---kathr4453 on 1/21/13


what authority does a pastor/ priest denomination have?
---Rod4Him on 1/20/13

all the authority we allow.

i went to this church that required its members to confess in front of the church if they committed an offense that hurt the body. i heard some pretty personal things. one day the pastor's son disappeared with his fiance who was a church member. a few weeks later, they resurfaced...married. they did not have to confess and one family was removed from the church because he spoke up.

a cult you say?...no, just a bible believing, flag waving independent baptist church.
---aka4889 on 1/20/13


Getting back to the question...many churches teach/preach overtly, subtly, or by inference that the pastor/elders have final authority and people should submit to them and their interpretation of Scripture. Here's a few examples, one should give money, speak in tongues, shouldn't speak in tongues, go to small group and do exactly as they say, raise your hands, don't have a small group on your own, go to their indoctrination before working in the church and agree, don't question the pastor/teaching and etc. Many of these sound petty, at least to me, but they are make or break items to many churches. Many churches just want quite laity while the clergy berates them and takes their money. So...what authority does a pastor/ priest denomination have?
---Rod4Him on 1/20/13


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//The role of the scribes - was just that - to write the scripts,//
Correction to my last post.

The role of the scribes was to ---copy---the scripts--

Without change.
---char on 1/18/13


---Scott1 on 1/18/13//

I think I might understand you here, not sure. My intention is not to twist your words and bearing false witness of you. Please, bear with me.

When I read your post, this is what came to mind.

//They will not contradict each other//

I agree.If there is a contradiction, check our desires,intention and interpretation. It would be man at fault, God is never wrong.

Here is my understanding,
God does not contradict Himself.
He testifies/confirms - His Word.

Another thing that came to mind was the book of Ezra and Nehemiah which tells us how the priest line and scribes became corrupted.

Nethinims...

continued'
---char on 1/18/13


continued'

Nethinims were to help the priest as temple servants but where not from the House of Judah

The role of the scribes - was just that - to write the scripts, the role of the Pharisees was to teach/instruct

Matt 23:2, "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses seat:".
They were not of Israel or any tribes of Israel. They were from the house of Rechab and land of the kenites.
Gen3:15

These are the thoughts that came to mind, I will check the intention and desire of my heart,
If it is correct- God will confirm it within His Word.
Does that make sense?

Thank you Scott1 for sharing.
---char on 1/18/13


Col 3 -- Amen.

13 Forbearing [...]forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.

[...] above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.

[...]let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body, and be ye thankful.

Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom, teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
---char on 1/18/13


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1 Peter 5:10
But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while,
1.make you perfect,
2. stablish,
3.strengthen,
4.settle you.

Again, it is God who does this work in us through Jesus Christ RE, the fellowship of His Sufferings.

May want to also read Colossians 3 to back this up as well.

Either you KNOW it from personal experience or you don't!
---kathr4453 on 1/18/13


//---michael_e on 1/18/13//

Love this!

Shalom
---char on 1/18/13


//you have a better definition?//
---Rod4Him on 1/18/13

Blessing brother,

Praise God - He Is truth - Seek His counsel on All things:)

*Hebrew language is based on function/action and the letters come from the pictures/script used (pictograph)

*Parent root (single syllable of two letters)
Here are the parent roots: Bet/beyt resh

*The letter [bet/beyt] is the pictograph of a Tent floor,

the nomadic "tent floor" represents the house, the house was filled with the family With/In the house.

*The letter [resh] is the pictograph of the "Head of a man" - it represents top, first, beginning, "In the beginning...In/first/top

continued'
---char on 1/18/13


continued'

The third letter is [shin] (this would make it the child root) and the pictograph is "two front teeth" - defined as sharp, press, eat, two
Heb 4:12

Parent root:
Beyt (first letter)
Resh (second letter)
With the Shin (third letter) it is child root

When combining the Beyt with resh it looks like bereshyt

*The Hebrew word for (fatten) is [bara] a child root form of beyt and resh
1Sam 2:29

Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word...
He Is (Exist) [aleph to tav]Hebrew alephbet,
alpha omega (Greek alphabet)


God bless you, Rod4Him

Shalom
---char on 1/18/13


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It's simple
If the BoC is to be edified by "perfected saints" doing "the work of the ministry," as Eph. 4:12 suggests, it's important our ministries produce, perfect saints. How better to do this than allow the one who gave us this charge to instruct us how to produce established saints for the work. Paul's explanation how believers are established is basic to doing the work of the ministry. God alone has the capacity to establish--to stabilize and make strong believers. How does He do it? Paul explains

"Now to Him that is the power to stablish you ACCORDING TO
MY GOSPEL,
and THE PREACHING OF JESUS CHRIST ACCORDING TO THE REVELATION OF THE MYSTERY...
and THE SCRIPTURES OF THE PROPHETS..."
---michael_e on 1/18/13


I just want to say that if God tells you something and the Bible says the opposite. either you are wrong and your desires are in the way of God's desires, which is taking the Lord's name in vain or you have been miss interpreting the Bible. They will not contradict each other.
---Scott1 on 1/18/13


//---Steveng on 1/17/13//

Understood.

God Bless you.
---char on 1/18/13


Kathy,I agree with char..."Nicely stated"...and concise.

However, the dilemma is most churches/denominations/individuals, the 30,000 as Cluny points out, claim to speak "what the Word says," usually expecting me to "do/believe" what they say, claiming "the authority of the elders," usually coming down to me giving them money among other things.

Christendom, poor word I agree,but what word would you use?

char, I agree with your conclusion, but got lost how you got there, be-re-SHIYT is the first word of Torah.
Concerning Hebraic perspective, I like the idea, but the best concept of that that I can come up with is "the essence" of the words, do you have a better definition?
---Rod4Him on 1/18/13


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//there is no other authority.

the Word was spoken before it was written.
---aka on 1/17/13// ----Love this :)

Here is the beauty of the written Word.


The first letter written is Bet, the first letter of the
aleph bet is aleph which is silent.

The first word in torah(made of letters) is
Bet.
Bet defined: family, house, In

Jn1:1 In the beginning was the Word.


The Word became flesh and dwelt amoung us.

Y'sha:God Savior

May the Lord bless you aka,

Complete...
---char on 1/17/13


Our top authority is God and His Word, Jesus. Next the bible, then God has chosen some in the church as apostles, prophets, and teachers. After that miracles and gifts of healings for these two things prove the existance of God - as does prophesy.

As for conducting ones life, do an online KJV bible search for "one another", "each other", "comfort", and "encourag".
---Steveng on 1/17/13


---char on 1/17/13

there is no other authority.

the Word was spoken before it was written.
---aka on 1/17/13


//---kathr4453 on 1/17/13//

Nicely stated.

Shalom
---char on 1/17/13


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Rod, as believers and Christians IN CHRIST, the only authority one has is our HEAD, Jesus Christ Himself.

Our relationship with God through Jesus Christ is a personal and intimate one we have through the Word of God. The Holy Spirit is our teacher and who convicts of sin through the WORD.
---kathr4453 on 1/17/13


Hebraic perspective:

El/eloah

Elohyim: great strength and authority "the strong authority"

Elohyim is Spirit
Elohyim spoke
Elohyim Moves in Spirit and In-truth

Jn1:1 In the beginning was the Word...
---char on 1/17/13


I don't like the wording, Christendom! Christianity is the only true religion, because, we serve the one, true, living God....When you get to know God, really get to know Him, His ways are so very different. Must obey Him first, even if before Scripture. Remember, God has a calling for each of His people. And God will go with that. Hallelujah.
---pat on 1/16/13


The Holy Spirit is to have highest authority, He is the only One who can lead and guide us into all truth.

The truth that the Holy Spirit gives sets all disciples free. "The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus sets us free from the law of sin and death."
---jan4378 on 1/16/13


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Who or what has the authority over our lives? Why our Lord, Jesus and Our Father in Heaven.

Its the definition of what the word Lord should mean to us. He has the power of life and death over us and we submit to Him and do His will in all our affairs.

But how do we know His will for us?

The Bible and Holy Spirit. Knowing the Word of Truth and letting the Holy Spirit guide us in our daily walk.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/16/13


In Christendom who or what has the authority of what believers are to believe and how they should conduct their lives?
---Rod4Him on 1/16/13
John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

1 Timothy 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is THE CHURCH of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Hebrews 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of [their] conversation.

Hebrews 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls,
---francis on 1/16/13


Authority should be
1. God (Bible, prayer he speaks to you)
2. Spouse (Two become one)
3. Community Group (not just friends)
4. church (this is little c church, you have your membership here, included pastor, priest, bishop, etc)
5. other pastors and church leaders (podcast, church history, traditions, etc,) 6. other friends
7. blogs
---Scott1 on 1/16/13


1Corinthians 11:1 (ESV)
be imitators of me, as I am of Christ


ANYONE who is following Christ can be an authority
---James_L on 1/16/13


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And because the Bible is the authority, there are about 30,000 Protestant denominations saying different things.

The real reason is not the infallible pope, or even the infallible Bible, but the infallible individual.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/16/13


Ditto Moderator!
---Leon on 1/16/13


God our Father, first, and Jesus is our Head of the church, and the Holy Spirit in us brings us to all God has for us.

Yes, we need the Bible, but only the Holy Spirit in us can demonstrate and prove what God really means by His words.

And we are guaranteed >

"'So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth,
. It shall not return to Me void,
. But it shall accomplish what I please,
. And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it.'"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . (Isaiah 55:11)

So, God guarantees that His word "shall" do what pleases Him . . . not limited to what imperfect leaders and teachers can think He means.
---willie_c: on 1/16/13


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