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What Is New Covenant Law

Exactly what LAW is written in the heart of a Christian under the New Covenant?

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---francis on 1/30/13


Well, we, that is Israelites or Jews, those saved, are no longer servants but SONS. And not only that but NEW CREATURES, no longer Jews or Gentiles, but something totally NEW and different. This came about when we died with Christ, not only that but we deid to the LAW so that we could bring forth FRUIT unto God. The LAW of Moses does not nor can it produce any FRUIT, seeing the LAW was for the FLESH. My FLESH is CRUCIFIED with Christ...Gaatians 5:22-27.

This is that Law of Liberty, that comes only through our identification with Him in Death and Resurrection Life.

Those who walk in the Spirit are walking in the Law of Liberty.
---kathr4453 on 1/30/13


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---JackB on 1/30/13
UHM what i did was point out where the phrase " LAW OF LIBERTY" came from. It came from psalms and referrs to the ten commandments / commandments of god

---kathr4453 on 1/29/13
Law of Moses:
Malachi 4:4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.

This is NOT the TEN COMMANDMENTS,
---francis on 1/30/13


Francis, I feel what you are missing is the removal of the fear of death. That is something Christ came to abolish (Heb 2:15). The fear of death because we know we have violated God's laws is what keeps us in bondage.

You cannot know what it is like to serve God in love until this fear is removed and it can only be removed by faith in Jesus Christ. Knowing that thru his death, you are also dead to the law (Romans 7:1-6) but alive in Him because His Spirit lives IN you.

This allows us to grow and not have to worry about being condemned for making mistakes along the way. Fear cripples us. The hope Christ gives us enables us to forgive ourselves and others, get back up and continue on.
---JackB on 1/30/13


Francis. Under the law you preach you're a transgressor, as James 2:11 describes. You offend in even more than ONE point, hence your guilty of ALL"James 2,10

"if I build again the things which I destroyed (the law), I make myself A TRANSGRESSOR." Gal 2:18

You preach to keep the law, which means PERFECTLY keeping it as scripture describes.
BUT you FAIL to keep the commandments. You're a transgressor/sinner.

Can you see your contradiction. You FAIL to live up to the scriptures you quote, with your works.
---Haz27 on 1/29/13


Francis, the law of Moses was not the law of liberty. It was the law of sin and death. It was bondage . What liberty is there in death and bondage?
---kathr4453 on 1/29/13




Read, meditate, and learn from these verses:

Genesis 26:5
Deuteronomy 4:2
Deuteronomy 4:40
Deuteronomy 6:1,2
1 Samuel 12:15
1 Kings 8:61
2 Kings 17:13
Nehemiah 1:5
Job 23:12
Psalm 19:8
Psalm 78:7
Psalm 89:31-32
Psalm 89:31
Psalm 119:176
Psalm 147:15 **
Proverbs 4:4
Proverbs 6:20, 23
Ecclesiastes 12:13
Matthew 5:19
Matthew 22:40
Mark 10:17-27
John 14:15
John 15:10
Romans 13:9
1 Timothy 1:5
1 Timothy 6:14
2 Peter 2:21
1 John 2:3-8
1 John 3:22-24
1 John 5:2-3
2 John 1:4-6
Revelation 14:12
Revelation 22:14
---Steveng on 1/29/13


Psalms 119:44 So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever. And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.

James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
James 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty


Psalms 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect,
James 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty,


can you not see that James is drawing from Psalms and that the law of liberty and the 10 commandments are one and the very same?
---francis on 1/29/13


Jerry.

Kathr is correct, we're under the law of liberty.

Also see Rom 3:27,28. "Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the LAW OF FAITH. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith APART FROM the deeds of the law.

BTW, we did discuss your question to me before. The answer is Rom 10:4. "Christ is the END of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes".

So why do you continue to judge our righteousness by the law that Christ ended as the means for righteousness?

Don't be a "forgetful hearer", James 1:23-25
---Haz27 on 1/29/13


Jerry the "Law of Liberty" is written in the Hearts of Christians

James 1:25
But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.


James 2:12
So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.


The only LAW a Christian will be judged by is the Law of LIBERTY!

NOW, we need to address exactly what the Law of Liberty is...

And look who is the one writing this, JAMES.

Liberty here does not mean liberty to sin. It means we are under a different LAW. Not the Law of Moses.

This LAW is a HIGHER law.
---kathr4453 on 1/29/13


Jerry, the purpose of your blog question again is to teach the Saturday Sabbath. Because you keep it you suggest everyone else breaks the law but you guys. All the other talk about the law is only a smoke screen about Saturday Sabbath. For five years that is all you have preached. You even said God told us to keep Saturday Sabbath and never provided one passage to that effect. Why don't you just keep observing Saturday and leave everyone else along, but you do want to. You are trying to put a conviction in others hearts. But you cannot do anything, you have no power to do that, only God does and He hasn't done that to those who do not follow your beliefs from E.G. White. Only those who followed her belief as you do.
---Mark_V. on 1/29/13




JackB: " I dont believe anyone has said they are "above" the law"

Think about it. Haz has stated that he is "not under the law". That only leaves two options - either he is beside the law (which makes no sense), or he is above it. Let me ask it another way.

How can one not be under the law which he claims to have written in his heart? Can you explain that for me? Haz is unable to.



---jerry6593 on 1/29/13


"You are still left with the logical conundrum that you consider yourselves above the very law(s) written on your hearts."--Jerry

Now putting words into another mouth isnt quite Christian. I dont believe anyone has said they are "above" the law, simply that the law cannot condemn us any longer. We are dead to it. We died with Christ. The life we now live is by faith in the son of God.

We stumble, we fall but we are able to get back up again because we no longer DIE from the fall.
---JackB on 1/28/13


e.lee7537: "There is nothing in the 10 commandments that even suggest one should show love toward his neighbor."

We show love toward one another by not doing any of the commandments. "Thou shalt not steal" shows love by not stealing from one another. "Thou shalt not bear false witness" shows love by not lying to one another.

e.lee7537: "even observed the old outdated Jewish Sabbath."

The Sabbath predates the Jewish people by thousands of years. (Genesis 2:3) The 4th Commandments tells us to "remember" the Sabbath and to keep it holy. "The", being a definite article, tells of a particular sabbath. And "remember" says to remember something from the past.
---Steveng on 1/28/13


jerry. What I speak against is the judging righteousness by works of the law (as certain SDA's, etc, do). God warns against the works doctrine you're trying to justify.

The law is good/just/holy, Rom 7:12.
The law is good IF a man use it lawfully, 1Tim 1:8.
But you and your like-minded mates DON'T! And then you go and judge righteousness by it.

Christ, our inward man, delights after the law (Rom 7:22). And it's Christ in us that God sees and likewise we should see in each other.
We're a new creation, henceforth we should no longer regard anyone after the flesh, 2Cor 5:16.
---Haz27 on 1/28/13


1 Corinthians 4:4-6

4 For I know nothing by myself, yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.

5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

6 --- that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.


Judgement towards others is a sign of ARROGANCE!

Judge your own selves, and Let God judge another mans HEART. YOU legalists cannot see inside anothers HEART.

The Pharisees can only see the outward!
---kathr4453 on 1/28/13


Haz: "Note JackB's post. You have no love. You judge righteousness by works of the law. You're no different than the Pharisees."

Sorry to hear of your severe weather down under. We residents of Florida understand the routine.

JackB wrote: "Let us not therefore judge one another any more"

Your remarks are highly judgemental. You are still left with the logical conundrum that you consider yourselves above the very law(s) written on your hearts. How do you explain that?


---jerry6593 on 1/28/13


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FofC and Jerry, it's difficult to reply now due to cyclone hit Australia hence floods and also communications down in many places.

But you misunderstand scripture.
Note JackB's post. You have no love. You judge righteousness by works of the law. You're no different than the Pharisees.
---Haz27 on 1/27/13


" A true Christian walk is one of overcoming and learning to obey to change (convert) from their once lawless wicked life to Gods righteous ways (a lifelong process)."---Follower of Christ

And if its a lifelong process then that means ANYONE who comes in judging according to the law is way out of line. That person has no idea where another man is at in his walk with Christ.

Romans 4:4,13
Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand

Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
---JackB on 1/27/13


//The Lord Jesus did not bring any new laws and the 10 laws of God were never abolished in the NT, in fact these laws were magnified.

There is nothing in the 10 commandments that even suggest one should show love toward his neighbor.

Look at the Levite and the priest who passed by the man on the road, only the despised Samaritan was the one who showed any interest or cared. suggest you read Luke 10.

Clearly the priest and the Levite obeyed the 10 commandments, even observed the old outdated Jewish Sabbath.

Using those that pitch the 10 commandments have little if any love towards others and htey often use what they believe as a means of judging others of their spirituality.
---e.lee7537 on 1/27/13


Exactly what LAW is written in the heart of a Christian under the New Covenant?

LOVE - genuine, Christ giving love.

The same love that God shared with man. This love is the only attribute that will get a person into heaven. Within this genuine love are the two laws Jesus shared on which hang all the laws and the prophets of the past. Within this love are the Ten Commandments - both physical and spiritual. Within this love are the 613 laws of Moses. Within this love are laws of prophets.

Sure, most people know the worldly meaning of love, but have not truly experienced it.

And it is this love that has completely evaporated from the face of the earth today - save a few.
---Steveng on 1/27/13


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Haz: "And why do SDA's avoid discussion of their failure to keep the law?"

If truth mattered at all to you, you would recall my having addressed this very issue directly to you. Not just SDA's but indeed virtually all Christian denominations uphold that the Ten Commandments are binding on Christians. They also understand that if and when we break one, we repent and ask forgiveness, because:

1Jn 2:1,3 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
---jerry6593 on 1/27/13


Why is it that SDA's FAIL to keep the law when they preach that we must keep the law?

Unfortunately I have no idea what sda's believe however if they are teaching to keep Gods laws they are doing so by authority of Holy Scriptures as Lord taught keeping Gods 10 perfect laws.

No man keeps Gods 10 laws of his own power, these are written in hearts of Believers and by power of Holy Spirit we can do all things through Christ. It is by the strength of the Lord having the mind of God Believers learn to keep and obey Gods 10 just laws and to overcome sin. A true Christian walk is one of overcoming and learning to obey to change (convert) from their once lawless wicked life to Gods righteous ways (a lifelong process).
---Follower_of_Christ on 1/26/13


Jerry and Follower_of_Christ.
Why is it that SDA's FAIL to keep the law when they preach that we must keep the law? In fact, SDA's are guilty of ALL the law.

And why do SDA's avoid discussion of their failure to keep the law?
---Haz27 on 1/26/13


2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
---TheSeg on 1/26/13


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The 10 laws of God are written in the heart of followers of the Lord by the power of the holy spirit Acts 5:32.

These 10 laws given by God were written in stone. Then Moses created 613 civil laws because he believed these would help the Hebrews obey Gods 10 laws instead, these 613 laws became a burden and were nailed to the cross by the Lord Christ Jesus.

The Lord Jesus did not bring any new laws and the 10 laws of God were never abolished in the NT, in fact these laws were magnified.
---Follower_of_Christ on 1/26/13


Trey,
Heb12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
Hebrews written to hebrews.
Prophesied by Israel's prophet Jere 31:31 with no mention of nations, gentiles or BoC.
Eph 2:12 is plain. Our Gentile forefathers were strangers from the covenants of Promise, without hope and without God in this world. But, now we are made nigh, (not by covenants) but by the Blood of Christ. By the finished work of the Cross, we are in a greater relationship than covenants, we are joint-heirs with Christ, Romans 8:14-17. The covenants were directed only to the nation of Israel.
Possibly you are under the assumption that we have some how replaced Israel.
---michael_e on 1/26/13


michael_e, if you are not under the New Testament then you are in sad shape my friend!

Heb12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

The new covenant and the new testament are the same thing.

I believe the concept that you are missing is that "For they are not all Israel are of Israel." Rom 9:6, Rom 2:28-29, Gal 3:29, Rom 11:16-29.

Israel in the Old Testament is a visible picture of God's chosen people. All God's chosen are under the new testament which is also know as the everlasting covenant - Gen 17:7, Heb 13:20.
---trey on 1/26/13


Aka, too funny.

Markv, look up Children's Crusade 1212. I guess world history is not your thing...

Reading is not your thing either. I said we are to die WITH CHRIST.

Many have believed they died for Christ, without FIRST dying with Christ.

"Blessed are those who die in The Lord, and their works do follow. Revelation."

Many lay down their lives and die for their country. Even atheists can do that too.
---kathr4453 on 1/26/13


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//Exactly what LAW is written in the heart of a Christian under the New Covenant?//
None, since all scripture of new or old covenant is written to Israel. The BoC was never under an old covenant, so they couldn't br under a new covenant
---michael_e on 1/26/13


Kathr...let me guess. the first one was named Calvin and despite his attitude and outlook and treatment of the least, he gets to eat puppy chow from the master. and the others...no matter how much they love and serve their master, according to His will, get none.
---aka on 1/26/13


How is it possible for a Christian under the New Covenant to be not subject to the LAW and yet have the LAW written in his heart?

Trey has written that it is the two summary (of the Ten Commandments) Laws that are written in our hearts - "love to God" and "love to man". Lee of Many Names has opined that it is only the "love to man" laws that are written on the heart. Ignoring for the moment the complete lack of scriptural support for both theories, you are still left with the logical conundrum that you consider yourselves above the very law(s) written on your hearts. How do you explain that?


---jerry6593 on 1/26/13


Kathr, when did children go to war and died for Christ? When did you die for Christ? All you do is talk, and no truth is found in you. In fact not even Phileo love is found in you, let along agape love. Your comments have an evil intention, how can you be washed in the Word? Just not possible. I bet you cannot even supply us with proof that the RCC killed children for Christ. or that the crusaders died for Christ, since they were paid killers, Or that the Bible speaks of the age of accountability. Or that you are even saved yourself. So how can you teach anyone about the Truth when you do not even know the Truth? Not possible. All you do is talk and make bad comments.
So go ahead and answer with someone else's name. Bring in your support.
---Mark_V. on 1/26/13


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Well I tried it. My dog just had puppies. I chose the ones I loved and tortured the ones I didn't just to see if my doing so showed the puppies I chose how I proved my love for them.

They told me they were disgusted with the way I chose to prove my love for them.

They said , "that 's not love at all."

So I told them, I wanted to prove my sovereign right to do so. They asked, "who were you trying to impress by proving anything to us? Us? We never asked you to prove anything to us.
---kathr4453 on 1/25/13


Isaiah 55:8-9For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

If God who is sovereign chooses to flush some of His creation down the toilet and glorify others, that is His right.
---e.lee7537 on 1/25/13


God doesn't have to flush anyone down the toilet TO GLORIFY OTHERS!

Glorification comes ONLY when we are Crucified with Christ and raised up a New Creature in Christ. No one is GLORIFIED because God chose to flush anyyone down any toilet.

STOP using scripture to justify your ignorance LeeJ! Those who SUFFER with Him will be Glorified together WITH HIM!
---kathr4453 on 1/25/13


Romans 1:21-25

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful, but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
---kathr4453 on 1/25/13


No child or infant who has been murdered/raped abused is one of the Elect.
---kathr4453 on 1/25/13
You certainly need to find out what scripture teaches instead of relying on your own reasoning.
---e.lee7537 on 1/25/13

Look again at the context in which kathr4453 is speaking
---francis on 1/25/13


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No child or infant who has been murdered/raped abused is one of the Elect.
---kathr4453 on 1/25/13
You certainly need to find out what scripture teaches instead of relying on your own reasoning.

Isaiah 55:8-9For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

If God who is sovereign chooses to flush some of His creation down the toilet and glorify others, that is His right.
---e.lee7537 on 1/25/13


I believe we are to DIE WITH CHRIST, that is be crucified with Christ.

The Crusaders believed they were to DIE For Christ. How many Popes sent small children off to DIE for Christ. No AGAPE love there. Unless you are saying all those RCC children, men and women were Born Again Spirit filled Believers, going off to war against what they thought was the enemy.

How many RCC died/was burned at he stake for what they believed was FOR Christ.

And how many NON RCC died for what they also believed, dying FOR Christ.KILLING EACH OTHER

Philippians 2...becoming obedient unto death even death of a cross is our identification of Dying WITH CHRIST.

How many Mormons too believed they died FOR Christ?

That's RELIGION!
---kathr4453 on 1/25/13


Sometime ago I had a dream.
A baby kept crying, as if asking me, "why, don't they love me" over and over again.

When I woke up the first thing that came to me, was me, Self!
Was this dream talking about me, was I they.
That "they" stead in my mind, who are they.

The answer became clear anyone who would put anything before the feet of God.
Are they!

That woman taken in adultery, well you know the story.
Christ told her was "go, and sin no more." I know this is what that woman did!

And I believe anyone who from their hearts tries to keep the law.
Will, find themselves in the same place, as this woman.
In the end!
Peace
---TheSeg on 1/25/13


MarkV's THEORY says:

True or False

1. all infants/children are elect UNTIL they are old enough to ?????Choose/ or are forordained to die before the age of accountability??

2. God has chosen to kill ALL elect children while or before the age of accountability.

3 There is no age of accountability, therefore all Children/babies are elect and grow up to be elect adults therefore believes in universal slvation.

4. God Chooses the time place an HOW these infants/babies/children are murdered or die ensuring their election before the age of accountability.

5. No child or infant who has been murdered/raped abused is one of the Elect.
---kathr4453 on 1/25/13


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Or one believes something the other one can't!
Which was the point, Why'd you leave that out?

Let the word of God judge:
Here someone who said I keep the commandments of God!
Right francis? You dont try, you do!

You are righteous before God!
But, not like them, which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come.
And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely!
This cant be right. Right francis!
Where are the commandments?
Joh_13:34 A new commandment!
But, this just can't be!
Peace
---TheSeg on 1/25/13


You have told me over and over again, you keep the commandments. I have told you over and over again no, you don't, no one does.
So you can look at it this way, either one of us is a liar.
---TheSeg on 1/20/13

Let the word of God judge:

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
---francis on 1/25/13


Bro. Trey, you are correct. The love Christ has for us is agape love. That is not the love people display for others. Jesus asked Peter three times, " do you love Me?" Jesus asked a word which signified total commitment. Peter responded with a word for love for Jesus but not total commitment. This was not because he was reluctant to express that greater love, but because he had been disobedient and denied the Lord in the past. Jesus pressed home to Peter the need for unswerving devotion by repeatedly asking Peter if he loved Him supremely. Their love for Him placed Him above their love for all else. Then after the third time, Jesus mentioned by what death he would glorify God. By agape love, to die for Christ.
---Mark_V. on 1/25/13


I find it interesting those who hate only certain sins in people have judged them unworthy of salvation, condemning them to eternal hell. This also was /is the mindset of those under law...as well as God's dealing with those under law. Even adulters were stoned to death/ sabbath breakers too. STONE THEM...stone That woman taken in adultery...etc.
And these same legalists are still with us today. Having NO CLUE what God's Grace is one iota. They also preach God foreordained innocent children to hell too, those unelect children....

Unless Markv can PROVE ALL CHILDREN REGARDLESS are saved/elect.
---kathr4453 on 1/25/13


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Kathr, you are correct! Here is the example Christ set forth:
Rom5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Rom5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Now that's loving your enemies!!! Praise be to God!!!
---trey on 1/24/13


Law written in our hearts:
Mt22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
If we love the Lord in this manner, then we serve him out of love! If these commandments are written in our heart we are new creatures in Christ(2Cor 5:17). We have a new nature. We are not at enmity with God. We want to honor God with the way we live.

Mt22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

If I love my neighbor I will not covet his wife, or take his possessions, or kill him, or enslave him, or do any harm to him.

If these laws are written in my heart I will honor my mother and my father with the way I live!
---trey on 1/24/13


Gordon, you just said "No, I have not kept the Commandments."
Admitting your guilty before God.

Then you said, added "Though I try" is this what God is saying "try"
You've taken back your guilt, because maybe there a chance you can!
You just need more time, because you're still trying.

Christ said the spirit will lead you to all truth.
My point is do you see any truth here? I do!

Are people changing keep to try? As if it's ok to try?
As if somehow God is saying well try to keep my Commandments.
All I'm saying is admit the truth, not to me, but to yourself!

And if you're going to strive for perfection!
Start by admit the truth to yourself!
Peace
---TheSeg on 1/24/13


Gordon, you now say,

"Because, there are those who teach, and teach falsely, that "GOD knows that we can't be 'perfect' so HE does not expect us to strive for 'perfection' (holiness)". That, somehow, "it's really okay to sin, since we can't be 'perfect'", etc"

Who are this people who say that? I have been here for over five years, and to this day, I have never heard anyone say what you did. I have been to many places where Christian gather, and I never heard of such a thing. I heard what SDA's say, that there is people like that because they preach the Law. If you are hearing something to that effect, you must know they trampled the Lord Jesus underfoot, and no true believer ever does that.
---Mark_V. on 1/24/13


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Lu6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again, and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
---trey on 1/23/13

Firstly, that LOVE that we are to love is a supernatural love, the Love of CHRIST IN YOU living and pouring out through you as a testimony of God's LOVE to the Lost.

That's why God said WE are not to Judge anyone. You can't be a Judge and walk in the Spirit at the same time.

Many scriptures in the NT back that up!

We love others the way Christ loves us BEFORE we were saved and while we were YET sinners Christ died for us...no greater "love" is there than that.
---kathr4453 on 1/24/13


The Seq, No, I have not kept the Commandments. 'Though I try, I cannot say that I have kept them perfectly. But, my point is that just because we can't or don't keep them "perfectly" does not mean that GOD does not expect us to TRY (and by "perfect" I mean "holiness"). Because, there are those who teach, and teach falsely, that "GOD knows that we can't be 'perfect' so HE does not expect us to strive for 'perfection' (holiness)". That, somehow, "it's really okay to sin, since we can't be 'perfect'", etc. GOD says "Be ye holy as I AM Holy". We are to make it a Goal, and not throw out the Commandments because we are "under Grace". To do otherwise is an abuse of Grace.
---Gordon on 1/24/13


Trey and Mark, this is where I ask God to forgive me too!
I can forgive a lot, but there are some things.
Sadly I find no way to forgive.

But I find I am separating it into two laws.
One I can forgive and one I can't.
Should I judge which of the laws I keep and which I don't? No right!
There should only be one law!

There, I have hung myself!
I am guilty of all.
There is no way around this.

Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law:
that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

So I found a new law!
Peace
---TheSeg on 1/24/13


//Exactly what LAW is written in the heart of a Christian under the New Covenantn?

Even the weskest Christian can see that what God has written onto believers hearts is simply that which will fulfill the law.
Romans 13:9-10The commandments, You shall not commit adultery, not murder, shall not steal,not covet, and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
Love does no wrong to a neighbor, therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Sorry Jerry but love of others has nothig to do with the
sabbath.
---e.lee7537 on 1/24/13


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How is it possible for a Christian under the New Covenant to be not subject to the LAW and yet have the LAW written in his heart?




---jerry6593 on 1/24/13


The Seg, I too admit I do not love everybody. The reason I disagreed with so many on the child molesters and murderers of innocent little children. I would rather see them die, then hear about another innocent child taken, beaten, raped and murdered. People here say they love them as Christ loves the Church. That love is "Agape love," not "phileo" love.
Concerning breaking the law, I know of no true believer who tell another person to break the laws of God. Trying to keep them an actually doing them are two different things. If they say they do them all, they lie, for only One could keep the whole law perfect. We try to be loving to everyone, but to say we are is a lie.
---Mark_V. on 1/24/13


Gordon, first let's understand something, me!
I'm not telling you or anyone to forget the commandments.
I'm telling you to keep the Holy Commandments, just as the Lord, Commended!

Just when asked, have you kept the Holy Commandments, please don't lie.
Now there is a difference between truly keeping them and trying to keep them.
Now if you kept them, you have no need for forgiveness.

Now many have said with the power of the Holy Spirit, I have or can keep them!
Well then do it, but dont lie about it.
I only know one, Christ!

And I don't think I should have to tell anyone what he said!
Because only with the power of the Holy Spirit will you know the truth!
Peace
---TheSeg on 1/23/13


Hi The Seg, you are correct. I will not lie. I do not love everyone. I love God's people, but have a very hard time feeling love for those who hate my Lord or deny that he exists. When I listen to men like Bill Maher my blood boils!!! He is an atheist you know.

I believe the most difficult scripture Christ spake is:
Lu6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again, and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
---trey on 1/23/13


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The Seq, Another question is, Are you making true and honest efforts, by the Power and Guidance of the HOLY SPIRIT, to obey GOD's Commands?? Seq, there is a difference between truly loving GOD and really making efforts to obey HIS Commands, but, maybe falling short now and then, in sin or failure, as opposed to saying "Well, no one can really obey all of GOD's Commands 'perfectly', so, GOD, therefore can't possibly REALLY be calling us to do so in the first place. So, it MUST be "okay with GOD" if we are sinful on a regular basis. NO. GOD sees your real motives, and HE will KNOW whether you are truly trying to obey HIM or not, and whether or not you are TRULY trying to repent of and forsake sin in your life.
---Gordon on 1/23/13


Bro. Seg, you said,

"Mark_V, I can't blame anyone for not believing.
If I believed it was up to them, well maybe then.
But I know it's not up to them, it's up to God.
Everything is!"


You are so right. Sometimes when we answer we forget that part. God has to open their hearts and give them a new heart, a heart to perceive, spiritual eyes, and spiritual ears so they can see and hear, for Faith comes from hearing, "and hearing by the word of God"
No matter how much many hate Calvin, on their knees they are Calvinist, knowning who only can change a heart, the reason we pray and ask God to change our families and friends. God is the only One that can do it.
---Mark_V. on 1/23/13


"who are displaying (BY NATURE) the action of the law written in their hearts"

It says "the work of the law".

It does not say "the law".

Israel will have the law supernaturally imposed upon their hearts and minds. Jer 31:33

No one has received this, especially the nations. It is for when God directly removes ungodliness out of Jacob. Isa 59:20-21, and redeems His people Israel.

Knowing right from wrong, good and evil, is our inheritance through Adam's sin.

It is the heart of man that is corrupt, not his nature.

"For out out of the heart are coming wicked reasonings, murders, adulteries, prostitutions, thefts, false testimonies, calumnies."
---Phil on 1/23/13


Mark_V, I can't blame anyone for not believing.
If I believed it was up to them, well maybe then.
But I know it's not up to them, it's up to God.
Everything is!

Gordon, yes! Keep them.
But, when I ask you if you have, tell me the truth!

trey, I agree 1000%!
But, let me ask you in truth.
Do you love everyone on earth?
Can you love everyone on earth?
No, right! Please don't say yes.

I am not saying it's because of you.
Many here will never let you love them.
Again not up to them!

Doesn't mean you should hate them.
But you have to find a way to forgiven them.
If you do not forgive, neither can you be forgiven!
Peace
---TheSeg on 1/23/13


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I believe the law written in our hearts can be expressed as:

Mark12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Mark12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

If we keep these two we've kept the whole law! Think about it!
---trey on 1/22/13


JOHN 14:15 "If you love Me, Keep My Commandments". JESUS CHRIST (YAHUSHUA)
---Gordon on 1/22/13


Bro. Seg, you made some very good points. Jerry and francis cannot understand your points because they are spiritual. They preach the written letter of the law, never the Spirit of the Law. No understanding of spiritual matters. Pagan societies generally value and attempt to practice its most basic tenets. They instinctively value honesty, compassion and goodness towards others reflecting the divine law written in the heart. But believers in the Spirit have an instinctive sense of right and wrong that produces guilt when violated. Having a warning system that activates when they choose to ignore or disobey that law. Paul urges believers not to violate their own conscience or cause others to do so, for the Spirit speaks to our conscience.
---Mark_V. on 1/22/13


LOVE. A new commandment I give you: LOVE one another.
---bike on 1/20/13


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francis, I would love to tell you all the things, I believe.
To the point, that only those that are in darkness can see the light.
Those that are in the light, have no need of it.
Now you may think, I am saying I am in the light. No!
I am saying I am in darkness!

You have told me over and over again, you keep the commandments.
I have told you over and over again no, you don't, no one does.
So you can look at it this way, either one of us is a liar.
Or one of us believes something the other one can't.

I will let you judge which.
God bless you, francis.
Peace
---TheSeg on 1/20/13


Is a copy of that very LAW kept in God's temple in heaven?
---TheSeg on 1/20/13

Revelation 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament:
---francis on 1/20/13


Is a copy of that very LAW kept in God's temple in heaven?
Just how many do you think are going to need a copy?

If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Isnt this the case?

(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another,)

Peace
---TheSeg on 1/20/13


"Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah.. I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts"

The new covenant of the NT is the fulfillment of this prophecy, which has not come. It's completion will occur when Christ returns to establish His Kingdom on earth.

It is an earthly, physical promise from God to the Hebrew nation. It does not apply to the body of Christ

For us, the Gentile nations, this not our covenant.

Ours is in spirit, apart from Israel, and not revealed to any but Paul, the Apostle to the nations. 2C 3:6
---Phil on 1/20/13


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Why was the Ark of the Covenant given that name? What LAW did it contain? Is a copy of that very LAW kept in God's temple in heaven?


---jerry6593 on 1/20/13


"Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you." Luke 22:20 - fulfilling the prophesy "...and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins." Matthew 1:21

And in this promise which Christ fulfilled, came "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth." Romans 10:4

The New Covenant came in the form of person we now know as the Lord Jesus Christ.

The law written in the hearts of man is not a New Covenant. It's about regeneration or biblically said, "born of the Spirit".
---christan on 1/19/13


I believe there just one law, now!
But it's not so much a law, as a command!
I also believe it's the hardest one for person to understand!

Joh 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another, as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

Not as you love, But as I have loved you!

Joh 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
This is to say that you belong to God!


And if you really love each other, how then should you speak?
Peace
---TheSeg on 1/19/13


aseret hadevariym: "order of arrangement"
When followed bring "peace and harmony"

Mat22:37-40
"On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.'

*The first commandment: covers all five of the spiritual commandments - When kept the first five commandments are covered.
...Gods name in vain...have false gods...

*Second commandment: covers the five of civil commandments - when kept the last five commandments are covered.
Will not murder...steal...

Bear a False Witness...

Shalom
---char on 1/19/13


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The Law written in the hearts of GOD's true Christians are the Two Greatest Commands of loving GOD first, and then, one's neighbour as one's self. And, on these Two Greatest Commands hang all the Law and the Prophets. And, the Law(s) which are hanging on the Two Greatest include the Ten Commandments. It was the Laws and Ordinances of the necessary-at-the-time Animal sacrifices that were "nailed to the Cross", not the Ten Moral Commands of Love, as some erroneously teach. And, I'm not even SDA and I know this is true!
---Gordon on 1/19/13


We know there are laws of nature, deeper than words, of how things are and how things work in physical creation.

Also, there is the law of God's nature in us, of how He is and lives love and shares this with us . . . as much as each of us is "one spirit with Him." (in 1 Corinthians 6:17)

In our spiritual union with God, He shares with us His "divine nature" > that we "may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust." (in 2 Peter 1:4)
---willie_c: on 1/19/13


"Exactly what LAW is written in the heart of a Christian under the New Covenant?" The message of The Christ. The Basic principle of His message was love, for love is the fulfillment of the law. Mat 22:38-40 >Rom 13:10 "[Forasmuch as ye are] manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God, not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. 2Cr 3:3
---Josef on 1/19/13


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