"Nod was habited, why?... when God sent Cain away, he told God they would find & kill him, so God placed a mark on him...people lived many years, so children were born & children's children & habited other places."
---vkerrid on 4/29/13
Vkerrid: Your comments here are consistently linked to another blog question: Did Abel Have A Wife.
Yes, MULTIPLYING is the one thing we humans are extremely good at! It's baffling the number of CN bloggers who don't see the process of human multiplication as being immediately worked out from the time Adam & Eve were told in the Garden to, "be fruitful & MULTIPLY", thru their being put out & living in the sin infested world.
---Leon on 4/30/13|
Nod was habited, why? Because when God sent Cain away, he told God that they would find him and kill him, so God placed a mark on him. These people lived many years, so children were born and children's children and habited other places
---vkerrid on 4/29/13|
We don't know how long A & E were in the garden, i.e., days, weeks, months or years. So, did Adam & Eve wait until they were expelled from the Garden to become "fruitful & multiply"? (G1:28)
---Leon on 4/29/13|
Thanks Leon for the advice and the laugh!!! Hope you have a good weekend.
---trey on 2/8/13
YOU TOO BROTHER! :)
---Leon on 2/9/13|
Birds and trees vs birds and bees..
Wonder what would have happened if satan approached the "kids" to eat and die, and not Eve.
Since Leon is writing a fiery tale here, ...Let's call it, "The FABLE of Leon's over active imagination ".
Oh I know, the Kids were all out Deer hunting with Dad when Eve was approached by the serpent . Eve was an animal activist, and didn't like killing animals, so she stayed behind.
Stay tuned to next weeks episode of,
---kathr4453 on 2/9/13|
Thanks Leon for the advice and the laugh!!! Hope you have a good weekend.
---trey on 2/8/13|
"...When you can show me scripture concerning the children before Cain and Abel, [I'll] believe you."
---trey on 2/6/13
G1:27-28 ~ 3:16 ~ 4:14-15
That's right, we don't know how long A & E were in the garden, i.e., days, weeks or years. The day after Eve was formed? I don't think so. She was too well informed about what God had said & I don't think Adam's 1st priority was to explain the birds & the "trees". :D I think he initially brought her all the fruit she could eat until eventually getting around to explaining the rules.
Listen (pay close attention) to what is being said (implied) in the Genesis passages. Don't believe Leon. Believe only the word of GOD! :)
---Leon on 2/8/13|
As I said,
Accusations without definitive proof.
It is interesting to note that once the identity was revealed who Nod was and from where this information came your flaming began.
This thread is about who inhabited the land of Nod not flaming the beliefs of Islamists or Mormons or any others even if without attatchment to a religious group.
You are not staying on topic.
Please do so or start another topic.
If this flaming is all you have then you seem to have met your limitations.
---earl on 2/7/13|
earl, I judged the book with common sense. Only comman sense. You believe in what someone dreamed and talked about, a sinner. That should have brought a big red light.
Do you not understand that many people dream all sorts of things, Muhammad also said he received visions and they too were written down, and now we have Islam. Even Muhammad was uncertain from where the visions came from. Joseph Smith is another, and so are most of the Word of Faith teachers. All false teachers using the word of God mixed with lies.
---Mark_V. on 2/7/13|
This, as it is now not about faith .
This is about history.
I do not confuse the two.
You declare the book unfit.
However, you give no reason only criticisms yet unable to ,from your most recent post,a definitive counter against said book with a historical Genesis of life or a definitive counter to exactly who is the one called Michael from which these you extracted from said book and previously attacked with traditional responses and at this point I see no progress you have made doing such.
---earl on 2/7/13|
the moderators allowed my blog question, so let's take the issue there so that we can properly address your error.
I was trying to have it declared a CAPS-free zone, but couldn't. Brings your caps lock button and let's do this over there
---James_L on 2/7/13|
JamesL, re: original sin.
Blog or not, doesn't matter. Ye must be Born AGAIN wasn't about the physical, but spiritual.
You believe all from Adam to Moses only died physically, and continued to stay in fellowship with GOD? And are now in heaven, because there was no law of Moses? Why then did Abel sacrifice BLOOD? Because he was going to die physically?
I already know what the WORD teaches.
---kathr4453 on 2/7/13|
Earl, you might be smart person, but just think for a minute what your doing. You are putting your faith in the dreams and quotes from someone who was asleep. A human being, a sinner to began with. Doesn't that tell you something? Most everyone has dreams, and billions speak while asleep, should people believe what they are saying while asleep? You need to place your faith in God's Word even if you do not understand it, God will reveal many things to you through His Word, the Bible. Close your eyes, seek God, and He will speak to you. For those who are lost never seek after God.
"For it is written,
There is none righteous, no, not one. There is none who understands, There is none who seeks of God" (Rom. 3:10,11).
---Mark_V. on 2/7/13|
Earl, it would benefit you more to actually study the scripture rather than search the internet for what seem to be contradictions.
Mans lifespan was never limited to 120 years (see Genesis 11 geneology) . It was 120 years from the time God made the declaration of a flood to the time he actually brought it to pass. His Spirit strove with those man for 120 more years.
A simple reading of the text in Genesis shows that Adam and Eve HEARD of voice of the Lord God walking in the garden. It never says they SAW him.
In the old days men were often visited by angels/messengers of God or the Word of God (Christ preincarnate). Never the full glory of God who is spirit.
---JackB on 2/7/13|
Kathr, I'll try to start a blog about this issue of original sin
---James_L on 2/6/13|
First of all, the scriptures do not speak of Adam and Eve having children before Cain and Abel. Second of all, I'm not sure how long they were actually in the garden before taking and eating of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They may have eaten the day after Eve was formed. We aren't told.
When you can show me scripture concerning the children before Cain and Abel, I will believe you.
---trey on 2/6/13|
Ephesians 2:1-6, And You He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, ---But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus.
Twice, Paul says in these six verses that we "were dead"not physically dead but spiritually dead. unless JamesL you believe Paul was addressing the physically resurrected.
---kathr4453 on 2/6/13|
Not so fast.
Abt. the name Michael.
When Archangel,Prince and Michael are analized together the bible confuses the identity of all 3.
On the Genesis of biblical life.
All DNA history biblically should show sudden beginnings with no mods thereafter day 6.DNA is locked on day 7.
Any other biblical observations imply an unlocked DNA in human or other.
Genetic mods as follows.
Curse on EVE
Curse on ADAM
Curse on SERPENT
Man's lifespan reduced to 120 yrs.God's sons altered the human genes.
So God did not rest on the 7th day and leave his creation alone.
Jesus ,John B and Paul say no one has seen God.
Why did A & E hide behind a tree?
The Genesis creation is now crippled.
---earl on 2/6/13|
"Leon, I too would consider it a blessing if she never answered me. But we are not that blessed, she will remain who she is until God does a great supernatural work in her. Until then, put on the armor of God."
---Mark_V. on 2/6/13
Indeed Mark, the whole armor of God & I'm standing daily against the wiles (tricks, deceptions) of the devil. He always positions the battle for one's mind (soul). I've learned, over the years, the devil is very adept at influencing people (quite often family, friends, even fellow born again believers) to get in close & destroy you. That's what he did in the beginning with Adam & Eve, Cain & Abel. That's what he's still doing today, even on CN blogs. :)
---Leon on 2/6/13|
\\Leon it appears does not believe in original sin.\\
---kathr4453 on 2/3/13
Original sin is taught about a dozen different ways. Which version do you espouse? Probably Calvin's. It's an ambiguous term that can't be objectively clarified. Hence, the many versions.
The biblical distinction between the spirit and the flesh was greatly diminished by well-meaning Christians in their struggle against Gnosticism. This gave rise to speculation about how Adam's sin affected the human race.
Because of Adam, our body is sinful and will die. And the effect of his sin on humanity stops there.
Nobody is going to hell because of Adam, and babies are not born spiritually connected to Adam.
---James_L on 2/5/13|
Leon, I too would consider it a blessing if she never answered me. But we are not that blessed, she will remain who she is until God does a great supernatural work in her. Until then, put on the armor of God.
---Mark_V. on 2/6/13|
"Consider yourself being avoided by me from here on out on this subject."
---kathr4453 on 2/3/13
For that, I consider myself to be very blessed. Thank you!
---Leon on 2/4/13|
If they had had children before the fall of Adam and expulsion from the garden then the above would read along the lines of "all have sinned and come short of the glory of God except for Adam and Eve's children which they had before the fall of man etc."
Also when Seth was born eve said, God has appointed me another seed seeing Cain killed Abel.
Leon, if there were already many seeds of Adam and Eve before the fall, one of those perfect sinless seeds could have died for our sin.....
Those born before the fall would not inherit Adams sin.
---kathr4453 on 2/3/13|
Leon it appears does not believe in original sin. I've read web sites going off on a tangent like yours, and that is the bottom line.
Silly and foolish questions avoid...
Consider yourself being avoided by me from here on out on this subject.
---kathr4453 on 2/3/13|
"...you know for a fact that before the fall, Adam & Eve, [couldn't] feel pain?... Would Eve have felt [her] babies kick? Would she have felt pressure on her bladder maybe, causing pain, or no contractions, causing the baby to journey down them birth canal?
Did God curse all female including animals to feel pain during child birth, or just women? [Good question: Please post as separate blog.]..."
---kathr4453 on 2/3/13
What was I thinking when I mistakenly said "painlessly"? Obviously, G3:16 implies she knew some prior discomfort (pain) in childbearing. But, now she would have much greater discomfort. Thx for the catch! :) Also, G3:16 speaks of "natural birth".
---Leon on 2/3/13|
Earl, I am sorry you got upset. Second. the Urantia book was first published in 1995 by a group of followers who believed a guy who was sleeping and talking. That material was first received in the years 1934-35. A lot was words in it are taken from the Bible, but most can not be authenticate as Truth. It says that just as lower animals evolved into humans, we are destined to evolve and become spirit beings called finaliters.
earl we do not come from animals. That should have told you it was a false book. Unless you believe you came from a cow, or a dog, how about a pig. Just not true. Another thing, they view Jesus Christ as the 7th incarnation of Michael of Nebadon. Just plain nonesense. Throw the book in the garbish.
---Mark_V. on 2/3/13|
So Leon, you know for a fact that before the fall, Adam And Eve, had no ability to feel pain? That a woman's contractions in labor would be non-existent before the fall? And you can state without a doubt that birth would take place exactly as it does after the fall, but pain free? Would EVE have felt the babies kick? Would she have felt pressure on her bladder maybe, causing pain, or no contractions, causing the baby to journey down them birth canal?
Did God curse all female including animals to feel pain during child birth, or just women?
Well, today we have epidurals and c - sections, totally thwarting God' s everlasting curse on pronouncing unbearable pain and suffering on Women, and animals.
---kathr4453 on 2/3/13|
You seem to turn this around .You asked the question and then today charged all others with unfit inaccurate documentation of truth claiming if not your specific beliefs as to what is from God and what is not then all others are ungenuine christians.
You claim someone wrote it.Who then?
It is obvious you are trying to walk away from this peachy however it is apparent you make flaming claims without proof to support your claims of ungenuine.
If you make a claim then back it up with proof .
That is what this reply is all about your proof not mine.
Those that you have offended are those who do not know what you are -discouraging others belief's but not me.
---earl on 2/2/13|
"kathr, I agree! There was no one to inhabit it. Adam & Eve were the first. They had Cain & Abel & a whole bunch of kids after that."
---trey on 2/2/13
Trey: "No one to inhabit it."? Do you suppose Adam & Eve didn't obey God's commandment to be fruitful & multiply while they were living in the garden? (G1:27-28) Gen. 3:16-20 indicates otherwise. Before the fall it's apparent Eve could conceive painlessly. So, she understood fully what God said to her. Verse 20 shows she "was" (past tense) already the "mother of all living" as Adam said.
I know this is anathema for many bloggers. Come, let us reason together without the usual combative name calling, etc. :)
---Leon on 2/2/13|
kathr, I agree! There was no one to inhabit it. Adam and Eve were the first. They had Cain and Abel and a whole bunch of kids after that.
---trey on 2/2/13|
Earl, the only reason I answered you was because you came out with some story I never heard. Not in Scripture. It was only a book someone wrote, and I don't have to disprove it is not Scripture because the first two passages I read, were not Scriptural. I compare anything anyone writes to the Word of God. The Word of God is Truth. and you do not have to believe that either. What I do know is that all genuine Christians put their faith in God's Word. Sorry if I touch a wrong spot, I did not mean to offend you Earl, so I leave you peace.
---Mark_V. on 2/2/13|
No, there is no scripture stating the land of nod was inhabited before Cain was exiled to it.
---kathr4453 on 2/2/13|
True ,You did not pass judgemet on me,just a book you never read.
Was it mentioned in scripture ?-some say it is.
Where-rev.2.17-hidden manna.White stone and new name.
You speak of who wrote books .
Who wrote this one we discuss ?
No one is saying to anyone they "should" believe it.
This thread started demanding a sci fi answer because no bible provided one.
There is "add on's" to the bible.OT says do not add.
The book is itself .It has it's own binding.
Can you show proof that God was seen so that the bible books could be authenticated as coming from God or an imposter with a subtile voice?
If you are critical of the book then disprove it.
---earl on 2/1/13|
Yes indeedy, Rita_H: There's some really squirrely stuff going on in many CN blogs. I believe some of it is innocent ignorance. There are also many here who have been mislead & thereby rooted in error. Then there are those who thrive on (have fun preying upon) confusing the "naive hick Christians". Fortunately, there is a remnant of Christians here who stand tall in the face of evil.
I also believe the Bible 100%, line upon line, precept upon precept. Like any good lesson plan the Bible takes students, who diligently apply themselves, from the known to unknown until the unknown becomes the known. The Bible repeats over n over, building & expanding on previous given word(s)...
---Leon on 2/1/13|
We are told that we must not add to God's word. Several here seem to be putting 'their own spin' on things and saying what they think rather than what God tells us was fact.
If Cain found a wife in Nod (as opposed to taking her with him) then she would still have been a descendent of Adam (who just arrived in Nod before Cain did) because all human life is descended from Adam.
To try to prove anything other than that means others don't accept the bible as God's Word to man and that leaves us wondering what we an accept and what we should reject.
I believe it 100%
---Rita_H on 2/1/13|
Earl, I don't pass judgment on you. I do not have to read the whole book to know it is not the word of God. It was never mentioned in Scripture that at some point in time some guy was going to have an experience and that we should believe it. Don't you know how many people have experiences? All do. The ones who write books, they many times mention some part of the Bible stories, then they add what they experienced as proof, and nothing can be authenticate it comes from God. Their experience might mean a lot to the one who had the experience but nothing can be proven it comes from God. Scripture is all we need, God spoke, the writers were inspired by the Spirit, and Scripture closed.
---Mark_V. on 2/1/13|
Thanks for the "peace".
However if you have not read all 2000 +pages then is it right to judge a book from its cover since this thread is only a few days old and it would take some time to read it.No
To be precise I did not quote from it as you state.
I gave a short short summary of the topic's question.
This clearly indicates you did not read about the land of Nod in it to pass judgement upon that point.
Your claims of it as a unreliable source is totally unfounded.
You can only be assumptive it is a trashy book so Ill keep it.
If you have not read it then you assum it is just another book.
Not to be disrespectful but you have no grounds for it's dissmisal.
---earl on 1/31/13|
Earl, the reason I said that many write books, and many put their own opinions and ideas, and many write them because they have experiences that happen to them. This book "Urantia" is just another book someone wrote because of someone's experience or dreams, just like Charles Russell, Joseph Smiths, E.G. white's, Muhammah dreams, and all the other books out there. No authenticity. Just another books created by sinful man. I suggest for you to throw it away in the trash. I know you will not, since you are already quoting from it, but that is only thing I can say. I don't know you, but what is written in that book, is not Truth. You sound like a good guy so I leave you Peace
---Mark_V. on 1/31/13|
Thank you for your reply and appreciate your concern .
However I live with not only a bible but the newest revelation The Urantia Book.
I make neither one a outcast .
---earl on 1/30/13|
Earl, thank you for giving me the reason why you answered as you did. And from where you got your information.
There is so many books and ideas people have and write, at this minute I know there is someone somewhere writing another book pro or against something in the Bible, with so many opinions for and against just about everything, and that is not even counting people's experiences, like demons and satan in every corner. My suggestion for you is to trust in the Word of God, the Bible. Even when you do not understand something now, the Spirit will reveal it to you later on. Just believe the Word.
---Mark_V. on 1/30/13|
I appreciate your interest in this.
No,it is not from another bible but it is from another book.
Leon's OP question cannot be answered within the binding of any bible.
My answers were a small bit of sumation about Nod and the Land of Nod from The Urantia Book which is believed by a great many as the next revelation and for lack of a better word 'mandated' by Jesus suceeding Jesus's revelation of his father 2000 yrs. ago..
---earl on 1/29/13|
Earl, that was such a story you gave. Is it possible for you to provide from where you got your information? You pieced it together as if you were reading another Bible. You couldn't have made that story up, you must have got it from somewhere, I would be very interested to know where you learned that from. Thanks.
---Mark_V. on 1/29/13|
"...The land of Nod was inhabited bt Nodites, a...people who were there long before the establish land was the land of Nod. [?] Nod was a real person who was at one time their Nodite leader. The Nodites were also an established people way before Adam & Eve era. Nod was at one time appointed supervisor over industry & trade before he re established himself in the area known as the land of Nod-named after himself.
Remona was a descendent of Nod's race & a distant cousin to Cain for his father was not Adam."
---earl on 1/28/13
I get it! You're from Nod, aren't you Earl?! Well, why didn't you say so! And all this time I thought you were just another squirrel looking for a nut. Imagine that ~ silly me! :)
---Leon on 1/28/13|
Again your question begs a sci fi answer.
The land of Nod was inhabited bt Nodites ,a population of people who were there long before the establish land was the land of Nod.
Nod was a real person who was at one time their Nodite leader.
The Nodites were also an established people way before Adam and Eve era.
Nod was at one time appointed supervisor over industry and trade before he re established himself in the area known as the land of Nod-named after himself.
Remona was a descendent of Nod's race and a distant cousin to Cain for his father was not Adam.
---earl on 1/28/13|
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Earl & Joseph: Fact -- The Bible definitely says the land of Nod was a real place east of Eden (an actual piece of land). (G4:16) Fact -- the Bible definitively describes the land of Nod as being a place inhabited by vagabonds, wanderers (people drifting aimlessly thru life).
My question plain & simply asks was Cain the first Nodite or were there others before he trekked east of Eden.
---Leon on 1/28/13|
"Was the land of Nod (wandering) inhabited before Cain was exiled to it"
I doubt it, considering that in the context in which the word is used, the "land of Nod" can be best defined as the way of a wanderer. I believe Cain remained a wanderer for the duration of his life. Why? because that was a part of his sentence. "When you till the ground, it shall no longer yield its strength to you. A 'fugitive' (as one who is caused to wander) and a 'vagabond' (one who aimlessly wanders), you shall be on the earth." Gen 4:12 Considering Cain was said to have 'dwelt' (remained, stayed, or resided) there would would be a contradiction if it where an actual piece of land.
---joseph on 1/28/13|
You asked if the land of Nod was inhabited.
Your question suggests that the bible gives you no definitive answer in relation to the land of Nod.
Thus you have questioned the audience here.
As you know the bible does not give a definition of Nod but does not deny it's existance or how long it existed before Cain married a woman there.
Your question begs a sci fi answer.
---earl on 1/28/13|
earl, I agree with Leon and Warwick on their answers. You said,
"You are asking a question the bible cannot answer. Cain went to the land of Nod and found a woman named Remona and married her there.
The Bible says nothing about Cain going to the land of Nod and finding a woman there. Here is what it says,
"Cain went out from the presence of the Lord and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. And Cain "knew his wife" and she conceived, and bare Enock"
What the Bible means by "knew" in such connection does not mean "to be acquainted with" but connects to pro-creation. Intimate relations with her there and bare Enock.
---Mark_V. on 1/28/13|
Leon, I think 'squirrely' is a good description. One Corinthians 15:45 says very clearly that Adam was the first man. You would imagine that if there were pre-Adamic humans the Bible would at least mention them. However it doesn't because there weren't any, as the above Biblie reference shows.
---Warwick on 1/27/13|
Pre-Adamic era? "All" that you say Earl is squirrely. What is your sci-fi source? :)
---Leon on 1/27/13|
You are asking a question the bible cannot answer.
Cain went to the land of Nod and found a woman named Remona and married her there.
The land of Nod was named after a person named Nod who lived pre Adamic era.
---earl on 1/27/13|