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Church Without A Building

Worldly denominational churches are worth tens of trillions. Would your worldly denominational churches give up and sell all its possessions to give to the poor? Could your worldly denominational churches survive without buildings and worldly possessions? Mark 10:17-23

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Hello,Shira4368, may the Lord bless you always! Yes,you are right our bodies are the temple,so,much becomes better, easier when we heed to the will of God & the holy spirit!
I tell people now when I do get a chance to witness,it takes whole lot of energy,toil,needless despair to do evil...to live for Jesus is much more pleasant,you don't have to wear your mind down with worry,sorrow! Amen.
---lidia4796 on 7/26/13


mike, the temple is also our bodies. after all the Holy Spirit resides in our temple. that is why we must not sin with our bodies.
---shira4368 on 7/26/13


The Temple is the House of God, A church is just a building.
---mike on 7/25/13


If a church is worldly because it is a building furnished with necessities, then what of the magnificent first temple built by Solomon?

It seems that you have an unbilblical perception on the subject.

Concerning Mark 10:17-23.. Jesus addressed the young rich man, and his disciples individually, not to the church/jewish synagogue as a whole.

And understand that Jesus was not asking the man to give up everything., he was asking him to be generous beyond giving and tything that was required by Jewish law which was 20% of one's income. If he gave another 10, 50 Cents he'd be giving generously.
---jan4378 on 3/6/13


Hello,dear friend Shira4368, yes, but it is good to say hello or anything. Even when I do not feel good later always pray for people online. I read my bible have to jot down verses,main points - forget easy! Chemo has good & bad.My good eye better when get off here few hours. I have really seen a diffsrence.thankyou! So,much! Love of jesus!
---ELENA on 2/21/13




elena, don't worry, Im good here. I know you have been sick. I probably wouldn't get on here if I was sick.
---shira4368 on 2/20/13


Shira4368, goodmorning, just now got my verses.Didn't feel good,went to sleep.my apologies, much love & respect goes out to you.Ps.37:16,Ps.37:25,26.Ps.25:21,22love of Jesus!
---ELENA on 2/20/13


Yes, you right Shira4368,what happens is people start to notice & one day it has run it's coarse.No one likes to be misused. I think that God sees everything! Nothing hid from him.Then sad part a person who is really needing help, you may have hesitation but the holy spirit will tell you.be back with my verses! Thankyou, ELENA
---ELENA on 2/19/13


elena, if you give to someone who is needy God will bless you. sometimes we don't really know who is genuine or a liar. my friend told me he knew someone who would go from church to church and the churches would give them food. by the end of the week, they didn't have to buy groceries.
---shira4368 on 2/16/13


Bro.Mark, Sis.Shira4368, the weird thing to me I have seen at a big huge event all the best " bling-bling" if a poor person came to the event & ask please help with food or diapers.Forget fine talk & insult that poor soul. Years ago, It convence we not on the same page. My Jesus knows even in this condition any of my neighbors here can If I have it give for baby food or diapers! Yesterday, lady came to pantry. She need cereal for her babies. I went & got some,pantry. Had run out of cereal.. Pro.31:20

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---ELENA on 2/14/13




markv, I don't understand it either but I knew a girl who wanted me to take her to jacksonville to see benny hinn. I told her no no no. if he is so annointed, let him go to hospitals and heal the sick. he may even be more wealthy than he is now.God will hold them accountable.
---shira4368 on 2/14/13


Pat, I too wonder sometimes how millions of people can be persuaded to give so much money to this preachers. The people who followed Jim Jones, sold their homes and gave everything to Jim. And look what happened to them. You wonder how could they not seen the hypocrisy of this man? And then the rest of the Word of Faith preachers, stealing from those who are in need of help, who are looking for a hope to the problems they are in. They too buy into the lie concerning the power of faith. Benny Hinn has his own jet, that people have bought for him, he can go anywhere in the name of Jesus, and receive more money. They promise people hope while robbing them.
But there is still many good churches a believer can attend. They are just hard to find.
---Mark_V. on 2/14/13


//Tens of trillions, what a travesty. And my blood is beginning to boil a little.//pat

just to let you in on a secret mega-churchs don't have trillions of dollars. Actually most mega-churchs have a lower percentage of operating cost. Most churchs with a full time pastor and worship leader uses 50% - 60% income just in salaries. most mega-churchs have salaries, buildings, and operating cost at 60%. The rest goes into gifts to charities, support of other churchs, free resources: "You Version", kids material, etc. that little churchs cannot provide. Most mega-churchs are not the cathedrals you see on TV but are in old Wal-Marts, grocery stores, and high schools.
---Scott1 on 2/12/13


Bro. Trey, our church is also small. Maybe 60 members in some good days. It is a reform Baptist Church and a awesome pastor teacher not a preacher.
I believe that people look for a church that gives them what they are looking for, a lot of music to get them pump-up for the service and for the week, friends, groups to gather with, and be known by others. Many times the Word of God is cut short so that more music is provided. It was hard for us to find a reform Church.
---Mark_V. on 2/8/13


That's a very good question: After studying Scripture, here is the message. These churches that are so rich are suppose to help THE POOR of this WORLD and give the governments a break. In Scripture, Jesus was making a point! Every man, according to his ability, must relieve the poor. Are these mega churches made-up of unbelievers or true believers, is the question? In other-words, are they truly followers of Christ? Tens of trillions, what a travesty. And my blood is beginning to boil a little. If they have that much money, they should be able to figure a way of getting the money past these corrupt governments, and to these poor people.
---pat on 2/7/13


trey your church sounds like my kind of church. our church is small too. my pastor preaches the house down and our music is anointed. I couldn't ask for anything more either. God bless trey why don't you check in with Lasko. I am sure they are on the internet. mr. lasko died and left millions to help churches. my church is very small and we got a grant for 130,000. took close to a year of phone calls, paperwork and prayers. God has really been blessing us.
---shira4368 on 2/7/13


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Elena, thanks Sister! I really appreciate that! You would like our little church family. There is a lot of Christian love in our little church.

Lord bless you dear Sister. Thanks again for your comment.
---trey on 2/6/13


Bro.Trey with all respect to you, I like how you say your church is..believe that the kind of church really the type service I love, keep it simple. Sing (doesn't need all the bling- bling) we not to lift up "egos' we sing to lift up the Lord. Preaching, bible study, simple is so good to me.They love to make big this or that churches here, then for whatever reason people leave.. it loses everything..dissapointment remains.
---ELENA on 2/6/13


there is a Baptist church in Memphis that is like a gallery. it has statues of men of old in the bible and a cross that cost over 1 million dollars. me and my pastor and his family went to look at it and it had a store inside the church. my pastor ask me what I thought and I told him I would be ashamed on judgement day for not spending God's money for missionaries and church planting. I wasn't impressed with their wealth and huge cross lit up and could see it from far away. it was a mockery.
---shira4368 on 2/5/13


i wonder how many christians go to the church to watch the Superbowl?... a recent popular trend.
---aka on 2/3/13


I did. Some of my best friends watched the super bowl together, discussed the morning service, discussed what it meant, and the recent changes and goings of our different churchs.
---Scott1 on 2/4/13


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Worshipers of the True God can worship anywhere, and I mean anywhere. Jesus clearly taught, "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
---christan on 2/2/13

Agreed thank you for making my point.
---Scott1 on 2/4/13


i wonder how many christians go to the church to watch the Superbowl?... a recent popular trend.
---aka on 2/3/13


I wonder how many "Christians" stayed home to watch the superbowl. just imagine yelling to the top of your lungs for a football game but if we shout amen, praise God, people think we are crazy. well, I guess I will stay crazy. I know its a sore spot for some but we even put little league and other sports before church.
---shira4368 on 2/3/13


"I am not saying they are the same I am saying christian buildings, services, should be better than the Super Bowl because Christ is greater." Scott1

I'll tell you what is greater in salvation, "for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes" and most definitely does not include a building. The gathering of Christians itself is the "spiritual building" of God, made not by hands of man but by the hands of God.

Worshipers of the True God can worship anywhere, and I mean anywhere. Jesus clearly taught, "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
---christan on 2/2/13


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The biggest deception from false Christianity is that the term church is a building, however nowhere does it ever suggest the church is a building. The church are the faithful followers of the Lord Christ Jesus 1 Thess 2:14

Matthew 18:20
For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them

As for churches selling their possessions to give to the poor, the Lord stated we would always have the poor with us. The instruction was given to people.

If a church (people) are doing the work of the Lord, following the Lord in obedience to him then they would be blessed by him Matt 6:33
---Follower_of_Christf on 2/2/13


Hi StevenG, first of all the church I attend is very poor. It is made up of poor people. The building we worship in was purchased for $20,000 and moved onto our small lot. We are out in the country and do not have a paved parking lot. We do have electricity and water which I am thankful for.

We may not have much in worldy possessions but we are rich toward God! We have Godly love for one another, great singing, ferverent pray, and Spirit filled preaching! Our services are very simple. Singing, prayer, and preaching.

I couldn't ask for more and I don't need any more than that!!!
---trey on 2/2/13


Cluny,
Truth isn't decided by anyone, and it stands without needing confirmation by anyone. Even little ol' me.

Furthermore, if you read what I wrote about His blood, it was AND BLOOD. I didn't write SPECIFICALLY His blood or ESPECIALLY His blood or anthing of the sort.

His death. But not merely by dying, for He would have died of old age eventually. But what sort of saving death would that be?

His death AND blood.

Oh, and I did happen to include His resurrection in my commment, but I guess you were so hell-bent on fabricating an issue that you forgot how to read by the time you got there

Just my two cents, and have a nice day
---James_L on 2/1/13


Here in the U.k. we have a few mega-churches which are very opulent but, speaking generally, our churches are either old stone traditional churches with towers or spires (mainly Anglican) or very modest buildings with little of not elaborate decorations or any signs of grandeur.

The quality of the preaching and knowing that souls are saved greatly outweighs the need for opulance.

The grand suit of a preacher, the size of the choir and the number of cars parked outside will never impress God but a humble, repentent sinner will.
---Rita_H on 2/1/13


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//your comparison between the NFL and the salvation of the sinner//

My point is that, Given that people like to meet in buildings, people like excitement and excitement is contagious. We CAN be exciting because God gives life to the fullest and thus share life giving salvation to others. Why do people pay 6,000 dollars to go to the Super Bowl, excitement. I am not saying they are the same I am saying christian buildings, services, should be better than the Super Bowl because Christ is greater.
---Scott1 on 2/1/13


\\I've attended numerous churches, trying to find one that teaches the gospel of Christ - faith in His death (and blood) and resurrection\\

And how do YOU decide what is the Gospel of Christ?

Orthodoxy worships and believes in the ENTIRE Christ--not just one part of His physical body in isolation, such as His blood.

Furthermore, we are saved by ALL of Christ's life, not just His death. Furthermore, His death is meaningless without the Resurrection.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/1/13


\\...hundreds to thousands of people. Of which, none may even be saved.\\
---christan on 1/31/13

I agree 100%

I've attended numerous churches, trying to find one that teaches the gospel of Christ - faith in His death (and blood) and resurrection

sinner's prayers, decision-making, inviting Christ, giving their lives to Christ, and all the while never believing in Him

Few are they that have a firm grasp on the gospel that is the power of God for salvation to those who believe
---James_L on 1/31/13


Scott1, your comparison between the NFL and the salvation of the sinner, seriously tells me your understanding of salvation is nothing but what a pigskin is all about. Literally speaking, a piece of leather with nothing but air inside.
---christan on 1/31/13


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Christian
I guess we have to agree to disagree. If a 100,000+TV audience people can get excited about a 20 year old running past a chalk line caring a pigskin. Why cannot the church of the dead guy raised back to life not be exciting. I know that the road to life is narrow and few find it, but I am going to make it the brightest, happest, joyest, in your face, widest road possible. If that takes a building, may it be the biggest building in the world.
---Scott1 on 1/31/13


"As far as "where two or three in gather in my name..." is about church disicpline not a size limit for church." Scott1

I never said it was "a size limit for the church". And if Matthew 18:20 is about church discipline, isn't it also applied to the fellowship of the worshipers within the "church"?

My point is simple, Christ never instructed His disciples to go build churches (the physical building, that is), where it houses hundreds to thousands of people. Of which, none may even be saved.

That's because, I go by Christ's words, "...for many be called, but few chosen."
---christan on 1/31/13


//"Let's not be deluded that "buildings" looking like a place of worship ("churches") are even Christian."// I AGREE COMPLETELY

I disagree with your next statement that, If it is big it is less godly. Why did Paul preach to the big cities, Ephesis, Corinth, because from these big places information could then spread out to more rural less populated places.

As far as "where two or three in gather in my name..." is about church disicpline not a size limit for church. Gospel community is important between two to three friends, I do not disagree. From my experience in a 100 person church I knew about 20 to 30 people. In a 25,000 person church I know about 20 to 30 people.
---Scott1 on 1/31/13


Scott1, you have gone out of point to our earlier discourse. Let's rewind, I said earlier: "Let's not be deluded that "buildings" looking like a place of worship ("churches") are even Christian." I was talking about "buildings" mentioned in this blog question.

My point was simply this: the bigger the "church building", the further you are from God, period. Hence I quoted Christ, "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." Meaning, God never instructed us to build temples (churches) to gather thousands together after Christ. Instead, He destroyed the temple of Solomon - giving creed to the end of temple worship!
---christan on 1/30/13


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People are worldly even without buildings. That people have a building or not is incidental. There is room for both. The Bible says, "The poor you will always have amoung you." (Mark 14:7) We are also not to neglect God's Temple. (Neh 13:11) Your point is taken. Acts 17:24 The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands. 1 Corinthians 3:16 Dont you know that you yourselves are Gods temple? 1 Corinthians 6:19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit? Consider similarily AND SERIOUSLY(Matthew 26:7-13, Mark 14:3-9, and John 12:4-8) in what you ask. More, consider Matthew 11:16-19 and Luke 7:32-34 as there is room for both.
---bike on 1/30/13


How then can an unbeliever (who's dead in sins and trespassers) feed on God's Word unless God shows mercy to his soul by regenerating him?
---christan on 1/29/13

Exactly by faith Romans 10:14-17. "How will they call on Him... whom they have not heard...without preaching...How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news...faith comes from hearing."
Yes some will turn away but some will find faith and in faith righteousness. Thus having non-christians in a church is a godly thing because non-christians can become christians. Which never gets old and is main job of the church, go and make disciples.
---Scott1 on 1/30/13


\\ I condemn the denomiantions build by man and created by Satan to divide christiandom up into cults each having their own traditions, rituals, ways of living and interpretations of the bible. \\

Does this mean you likewise condemn your OWN man-built denomination, namely the Church of Steveng, with your own traditions, rituals, ways of living, and interpretations of the Bible?

As Jesus said, "By your own words you will be condemned."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/30/13


Steveng, I told you before, I do not hate you, I don't know you, I disagree what you teach. While condemning all denominations you also condemn the gathering of believers who are everywhere. You even warn others that they are creations of satan, so that they can leave where they gather. You in fact are trying to destroy the gathering of believers no matter where they meet. Don't you understand that in every church there is wheat and tares?
Satan creates nothing, he tempts people, and they are the ones who sin just like you do. They do the desires of their father. That happens everywhere, in peoples homes, church, work etc. Stop persecuting the Church 'the gathering of believers. Every day you put another blog condemning the Church.
---Mark_V. on 1/30/13


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---shira4368 on 1/29/13
just to make sure, I agree completely and yes the church is to help you including funerals but we also have a lot of people who go to church only for personal benefits.
---Scott1 on 1/30/13


Mark_V.: "Steveng, stop crucifying the Church of Christ, the gathering of believers. Your hate for the church is..."

I do not crucify the true Church of Christ which consists only of Christians, I condemn the denomiantions build by man and created by Satan to divide christiandom up into cults each having their own traditions, rituals, ways of living and interpretations of the bible.

I do not crusify the gathering of believers for it is written that 'wherever' two or more are gatherd be it a park, a home, or Starbucks.
---Steveng on 1/29/13


scott, I understand a church isn't built for Christians. how can sinners hear without a preacher. don't forsake the assembling together...all that is part of the church. it is also a place where Christians can bear one anothers burdens and get fed spiritually. it is a place where we fellowship many sunday nights. we are to bring the sinners in so they can hear the Word of God. my sweet pastor is the chaplain for the sheriff's dept plus he visits hospitals, church members and he studies about 6 hours a day. I really do know what the church is suppose to do.
---shira4368 on 1/29/13


//ask not what your church will do for you and your children...//shira

we get this a lot in my large church. "I want a preacher who can do my funeral." - Our new response "When can we schedule that."
---Scott1 on 1/29/13


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"If only christians are in your congregation then christians are not doing their job because church is not made for christians." Scott1

My, my, what a turn around from your early statement of Pentecost and the feeding of the 5,000.

Let's get this straight, ALL who are going to God's Kingdom WILL BE CHRISTIANS, period! There will not be a single unbeliever in His kingdom. While presently on earth, when the Christians gather together for worship and fellowship, it's the duty of the pastor to feed them with the Word of God.

How then can an unbeliever (who's dead in sins and trespassers) feed on God's Word unless God shows mercy to his soul by regenerating him?
---christan on 1/29/13


//So, if you have 5,000 in your congregation, are you telling me they are all Christians? Good for you.//

If only christians are in your congregation then christians are not doing their job because church is not made for christians. Church is made to meet God for all people. How does the Joel CH2 event get compressed into one day and not from pentecost until his return. The Holy Spirit continues to pour on this earth showing the great gift of Jesus sacrifice to us.
---Scott1 on 1/29/13


"Then I guess the whole 3000 at pentecost or the feeding of the 5,000" Scott1

Firstly, wasn't it 120 at Pentecost in the upper room? Get your facts right. And Pentecost was a one-time event to fulfill Joel's prophesy from the OT. Those gathered were to receive the Holy Spirit as prophesied. They were not there to receive the Word.

The feeding of the 5,000 were not there for the Word but for the food. For Christ said "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.", meaning many were not even believers.

So, if you have 5,000 in your congregation, are you telling me they are all Christians? Good for you.
---christan on 1/29/13


ask not what your church will do for you and your children, ask what can I do for the church. my pastor didn't take a salary for several months because we didn't have money. someone visited my little church and ask the pastor what can your church offer my children and my pastor said we offer Jesus Christ, biblical preaching, Godly music. we have a bout 125 members and I had rather be there more than home.
---shira4368 on 1/29/13


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Steveng, stop crucifying the Church of Christ, the gathering of believers. Your hate for the church is well known already. Edify the gathering of believers. You only bring division among everyone. Be a builder and leave behind the spirit of the antichrist.
---Mark_V. on 1/29/13


//Notice Christ didn't say two or three hundreds or thousands.// christian

Then I guess the whole 3000 at pentecost or the feeding of the 5,000 (but really 10,000 to 15,000) or Solomon temple, great multitude in heaven, nehemiahs wall, building the tabernacle, etc did not happen because it envolved a lot of people and a lot of people is not godly. proof by contradiction.
---Scott1 on 1/28/13


Underground churches survive in China and there used to be many in Soviet Russia. They managed to praise the Lord without fancy buildings and expensive furniture etc. It is certainly nice to meet in a cosy warm building to worship God but most of these other extra 'things' are of no consequence and certainly will not be fooling God.
---Rita_H on 1/28/13


Let's not be deluded that "buildings" looking like a place of worship ("churches") are even Christian.

The account in Acts 17:24,25 Paul declared, "God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands," - these "churches" are the works of man, not God. "Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things."

You see, God is not in there at all. "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." Notice Christ didn't say two or three hundreds or thousands.
---christan on 1/28/13


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How about your worldly denominational church, Steveng?

Your comment about "tens of millions" sounds like there's a bit of envy there.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/28/13


Bro.Steveng, you make a good point, old church, closed problems, another pastor young, new, building taken .He given up! Far as I can see, I offered to help , he complained about the city.Spoke to Supt. big organization similar told them this Pastor young
gifted person maybe who you need to run your church which is huge. He had alot of people. he told me " he is discouraged, etc.." He never ever return my phone calls.Alot times, have seen a whole church fold like this. Got let you know, bro.Steveng I am asking God help me a few bear with me, this physical condition. Not giving up! Met people but they did not show up. I am not discouraged. God is on the main line! Thankyou, bro.Steveng.
---ELENA on 1/28/13


Could your worldly denominational churches survive without buildings and worldly possessions?

yes we lost our building that we put in approx. 4 million dollars in because our sub-lease company (a grocery store) went bankrupt. As far as we know we are the largest portable church in the nation (US). At the time we lost the building we were almost full planning to go to 4 services, now we are 3 times larger in a convention hall. However we are still known has the big church that closed so having a church building is important for name recognition in bring people to church, to hear the gospel, to meet Jesus.
---Scott1 on 1/28/13


I believe you'd see a culling the likes of what Gideon saw, but God would do more with that then all the millions.
---Pharisee on 1/27/13


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