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Where does it say in the Bible that Satan cannot tamper with Holy writings?

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'For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."And the Lord has a name, His name is the Lord Jesus Christ.'- christan.

That's not what Joel wrote at Joel 2:32. Christan is guilty of adding and changing the holy writings.

Joel at Joel 2:32 used the divine name of the Almighty God as expressed in the Hebrew Tetragrammaton literally translated as YHWH (or JHVH). Thus, a correct rendering of Joel 2:32 reads, 'whosoever shall call on the name of Jehovah shall be delivered'- Joel 2:32 (ASV).

Paul quoted Joel 2:32 at Romans 10:13. As a Jew, fluent in Hebrew, Paul would have used God's name YHWH in his original writings.
---David8318 on 2/10/13


'However in the last sentence of the verse they do not change the word to Jehova'- Ruben.

Of course not, otherwise we'd all become polytheists like Ruben believing 'Jesus and God the Father are different persons... they are equal in nature as Almighty God.'

"They"... meaning more than one Almighty God.

Ruben is on a crusade to promote polytheism and convert others to polytheism. A proper pagan protagonist.
---David8318 on 2/7/13


ruben, where do you get the idea that trinitarians leave God out of the bible. the king james is nothing but God, Jesus, salvation, sin.
---shira4368 on 2/7/13


David8318 * Joel wrote, 'whosoever shall call on the name of Jehovah shall be delivered'- Joel 2:32 (ASV). God's name in the Hebrew Tetragrammaton YHWH (JHVH) is found at this verse & in approx.7000 other places in the Bible.

But in the Greek NT is not found at all! In fact the WTS admits it:

Would a translator have any right to restore the name, in view of the fact that existing
manuscripts do not have it? Yes, he would have that right-The Divine Name that Will Endure Forever pages 26 and 27
---Ruben on 2/7/13


//Where does it say in the Bible that Satan cannot tamper with Holy writings?//
It doesn't have to say it, read some "modern" versions, and it's apparent they have been tampered with
---mlchael_e on 2/7/13




David8318 * Most trinitarian tampered translations omit God's name .

Who is really tampering:

For example, the NWT translates Romans 14: 7-9 in the following way:

" we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. Therefore both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah... that he might be Lord over both the dead and the living."

Kingdom Interlinear Scan of Romans 14 - The Greek word for Lord is used in the original Greek text, the NWT uses Jehova. However in the last sentence of the verse they do not change the word to Jehova, if they did it would read as this,

For to this end Christ died and came to life again that he might be Jehovah over both the dead and the living.
---Ruben on 2/7/13


Thus, those who Paul said would call out 'Abba, Father' (Ro.8:15) would know their Father as, YHWH (Jehovah).
---David8318 on 2/6/13

We call out Abba Father because we are his children. It has nothing to do about the name Jehova!

"For all who are led by God's spirit, these are God's sons. For you did not receive a spirit of slavery causing fear again, but you received a spirit of adoption as sons, by which spirit we cry out: 'Abba, Father!"

Fact is Jesus or the Apostles and Paul never mention the name Jehova...
---Ruben on 2/7/13


Cluny gives good information on this topic.

Bible translation is a very complex process and extremely challenging to do. Any translator will include their bias, maybe unintentionally. For example, the KJV translated ecclesia as church, when congregation would be more accurate. Church has a building and clergy connotation, where congregation or asembly focuses on people. This obviously has incredible ramifications.
---Rod4Him on 2/7/13


1stCliff, why do you take offence to my reply to David8318? Are you of the same persuasion as him? Like say, a JW?

Of course I know that Lord is a title. But here's the difference, the lords you mentioned in the British parliamentare most definitely incomparable to my Lord of lords. That is, my Lord is God and has a name, Jesus Christ.

You say, "No one on here has ever denied that Jesus is the christ (anointed)", but is that all there is about Him? How about you acknowledging Him as what Thomas proclaimed, "My Lord and my God."? Can you do that?

Until you or David8318 acknowledge Christ is God, we're most definitely not on the same boat.
---christan on 2/7/13


this is for everyone who is interested. romans 8:1 the last 10 words are left out of all versons except njkv. romans 16:18- good works and fair speeches is changed to smooth talk and flattery is left out of all except jkv. 1 Corinthians 1:21 foolish of preaching is changed tp foolishness of the message preached. Lord is left out 352 times in all versions. Jesus left out 292 times. God is left out 468 times. heaven 160 times. blood is left out 41 times. salvation 42 times. Lord is left out of liv 2368 times. I will add more tomorrow. there are many more but the ones I posted is enough to change anyones mind concerning the Word of God.
---shira4368 on 2/7/13




yes cluny, you did say the kjv was no more inspired than other versions. then tell me why other versions leave out hell, satan, Jesus. some even say Jesus was just a man like any rest of us. as a matter of fact I will post some of them later today when time is mine.
---shira4368 on 2/7/13


\\my question why do you believe the kjv is wrong? \\

Please tell me where I said that the KJB was "wrong". I never said that. I simply said that the KJV is no more inspired than another other mere human translation.

Can you tell the difference between these two statements?

2 + 2 may equal 4, but that is hardly "inspired."

\\can you translate?? \\

Yes, and doubtless much better than you can.

BTW, the KJV translators never claimed that their version was inspired by God, but simply the best they could make it. BIG difference.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/7/13


trey, I was directing my comments to Christian and cluny. you and me are on the same page here. satan blinds many people to the truth. some say we live in a modern world but maybe that is whats wrong here. its amazing to me the bible applies for today even tho it is very old. all can be applied to a "modern" generation.
---shira4368 on 2/7/13


Christian, Got to hand it to you christian, you're the champion scripture twister on these blogs!
I'm sure you can prove that the moon is made of cheese!
No one on here has ever denied that Jesus is the christ (anointed)
FYI "Lord" is a title not a name!(else the British parliamen "House of Lords"would be a house of false gods) lord means master.
---1st_cliff on 2/7/13


David8318, "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." And the Lord has a name, His name is the Lord Jesus Christ.

O, I forgot, JWs do not believe Jesus Christ is God. John 20:28 - "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God." And you still don't believe Christ is God? You can quote all the verses you one, but harken unto these words...

"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist..." 1 John 2:22, 4:3
---christan on 2/6/13


\\cliff, what are the translators using today if they aren't using the king james?\\

You don't actually think that translators start with the KJV, do you?

Generally, they start with the best Hebrew and Greek texts they can find. Of course, just what these "best texts" and preferred variants and readings (yes, they exist) are will be debatable.

Remember that old MSS are full of abbreviations and lack both punctuation and even breaks between words. And Hebrew was even written without vowels once.

This is just PART of the challenges that Biblical translators face. It's not as cut and dried as you think.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/6/13


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Sister Shira,

Mt11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

I love the way that reads, don't you!

I thank God for the KJV.

Lord bless you Sister.
---trey on 2/6/13


It seems many will bicker which translation is better, which verses are the truth. It also appears that many of you are fighting over the letter of the law instead of the spirit of the law. If a person had a strong desire to know God and seek his kingdom, whouldn't the Holy Spirit direct that person to the truth? And wouldn't the Holy Spirit direct that person to a true treanslation? Wouldn't the Holy Spirit guide an apostles or prophet to that person?
---Steveng on 2/6/13


'you JW still calls Him, Jehovah'- christan.

Joel wrote, 'whosoever shall call on the name of Jehovah shall be delivered'- Joel 2:32 (ASV). God's name in the Hebrew Tetragrammaton YHWH (JHVH) is found at this verse & in approx.7000 other places in the Bible.

Paul quoted Joel at Romans 10:13, 'For everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.' Most trinitarian tampered translations omit God's name at these and all other verses (for obvious reasons).

There would have been no reason why Paul (a Jew, fluent in Hebrew & Greek) would not have used God's name at Ro.10:13 as it appeared in Hebrew. Thus, those who Paul said would call out 'Abba, Father' (Ro.8:15) would know their Father as, YHWH (Jehovah).
---David8318 on 2/6/13


Shira, I think you have misunderstood my last post, which was directed to 1stCliff and not you. If you notice, I took a quote from him which was directed at you to make a point which he was declaring. If you look closely, you'll notice there's an open and close quotation mark (not to mention it's in italics) at the beginning of the post.
---christan on 2/6/13


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Christian, the bible is holy inspired. I try to live by it and no I don't claim to revise anything. I do wish I was that smart.my question why do you believe the kjv is wrong? can you translate?? you are like me, I say one thing and you say another. that don't make you right. you know Christian, God will pour out His spirit in some music and some He don't. I can hear someone sing just once and I know if the spirit of God is on them or they are dry and are dead man's bones.
---shira4368 on 2/6/13


Shira, I'm not trying to discredit what you read, just attempting to point out the reasons for new translations.
The Amish don't believe in automobiles, zippers or electricity, they're stuck in a time warp.They use the KJV.only!
Are you stuck in that same "time warp?"
Although it's not relivant,I do speak Italian,Spanish,German and Mandarin Chinese and fly aircraft and I'm older than you!
Come up to the 21st century Shira!
---1st_cliff on 2/6/13


"I don't pretend to be a "holier than thou" Christian the like's of you!" 1stCliff

Me holier? Just because I show you verses of how you have blasphemed God? To begin, did I even profess to be holier than you? It's you who feel that way. Must be a complex issue.

Christ is not God to you and neither do you acknowledge the Holy Spirit is God who manifested Himself in the apostle Paul, who than wrote the epistles, who's the blasphemer? That kind of believe is no better than a pagan but nevertheless both doctrines were created for the lake of fire.
---christan on 2/5/13


"Shira, Are you able to read and translate Hebrew and Greek better than these "so-called schollars"?" 1stCliff

What's your point? Are you saying only Hebrews and Greeks are going to heaven since no other language is acceptable to you as far as the Word of God is concerned? How shallow is that?

Remember the gift of tongues in Acts during Pentecost? God's Word cuts across all language barrier if you must know. After all, it was God who created man and all that's in this world, including languages. Therefore, Hebrew and Greek are only languages.

What's important is, who do you rely on when the Word of God is written or preached? The man or the Holy Spirit for understanding?
---christan on 2/5/13


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cliff, I know you are trying to discredit what I have read and studied. let me ask you can you speak any foreign language. well, I can't either and that is why I read in English. I can speak neither Hebrew or greek, but what I said, I studied how the King james became and I learned more than I would have if I could speak greek and Hebrew.
---shira4368 on 2/5/13


cliff, what are the translators using today if they aren't using the king james? do you think they have all the original documents that were available 4 centuries ago? no, these people are using the king james because they can't understand it because it is spiritually decerned.
---shira4368 on 2/5/13


Shira, Are you able to read and translate Hebrew and Greek better than these "so-called schollars"?
If God had "perfected" scripture then why would it need "up-dating"?
Simple fact Shira=the closer you get (time wise) to the original manuscripts the more accurate they are!(unless the original is flawed)
In 1611 they had only 14th century CE mss.
Today there are mss. back to the 2nd century CE!(albeit not complete)
---1st_cliff on 2/5/13


david, people who believe in the trinity does not change the Word of God. so-called scholars have re written God's Word and they will stand in judgement one day. it takes all kinds to rewrite what God has perfected already. the new versions leave hell out, satan out and Christ is not deity.
---shira4368 on 2/5/13


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He uses people to do so ( the trinity people. ) That is where the so called, revised version bibles come from. The revised versions Are Corrupted, they have been altered - changed & some words missing, trying to make God say what He Does Not say.
God does Not honor - condone such.
---Lawrence on 2/5/13


Christian,There's nothing contradictory in my post.
I don't pretend to be a "holier than thou" Christian the like's of you!
Christ is my righteousness not me!
Those funny little urges, whispers,nudges that your brain invents is not Holy Spirit contact but the product of close association with fellow pseudo-Christians!You do not see the "big picture" of God's Master plan,just "pie-in-the-sky" nonsense!
You religion, in a nut shell,=the good go to heaven and the bad go in the fire.There's
nothing more pagan than that!
---1st_cliff on 2/5/13


1stCliff, you quote Romans 10:2 but how is it you claim you have knowledge over others and still say, "I would be a liar if I said I like everything God does, and I'm sure He doesn't like all the things I do, but He is in command and will do as he pleases." A Christian doesn't speak like this.

Do you even know you're contradicting yourself all in one sentence? You say one thing but you're not even convicted by what you initially say. Sounds more like a mind of a pagan, don't you think?

Btw, Truth is there but most definitely not available to everyone. It's not up to the sinner to choose!
---christan on 2/4/13


Christian, With each post you submit you dig a deeper hole that you will fall in.
**They which might see might be made blind** is directed to you!Do you see?
Paul wrote about you Rom.10.2 "they are zealous for God,but their zeal is not based on knowledge"
Get away from that pagan crowd you hang with and their influence,truth is actually available!
---1st_cliff on 2/4/13


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"Citing scripture that has no relevance to my post is a feeble attempt to to make you look like some kind of "Saint Judge" but in reality it reveals your ignorance!" 1stCliff

And you say you see? Here's another one for your collection: "And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him. And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see, and that they which see might be made blind.

And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see, therefore your sin remaineth."
---christan on 2/4/13


'any rejection that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are One in God'- christan.

Phew... and I thought christan was going to use scripture to show me where JW's are 'children of the Devil'. Thankfully he believes the pagan trinity myth which is unscriptural. Christan's false mantra: 'the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are One in God' is un-Biblical. Thus, christan judges JW's on the pagan trinity doctrine.

Satan influenced trinitarians to tamper with 1 John 5:7 to read 'and these three are one'. This corruption does not appear in early Greek manuscripts.

Trinitarians also tamper with John 14:14 by adding the word 'me' twice when it appears once, and John 17:11 where trinitarians use 'name' twice again when it appears once.
---David8318 on 2/4/13


Christian, Citing scripture that has no relevance to my post is a feeble attempt to to make you look like some kind of "Saint Judge" but in reality it reveals your ignorance!
---1st_cliff on 2/4/13


"Each of your posts reveal more and more how little you know about the bible's compilation and authors!" 1stCliff

And each of your reply is liken to what Christ declared: "The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!"

Afterall, didn't you make yourself equal with God by saying: "Of course I know who God is but He never asks me for my opinion! Do I like everything he does? No!" Imagine, you're made of dust and you think you're more righteous than the One who made you.
---christan on 2/4/13


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Christian, Each of your posts reveal more and more how little you know about the bible's compilation and authors!
"Give 'm enough rope and they hang themselves"
It says ,at the beginning of Luke's gospel "LUKE" so that means it was written by Luke, my, my how clever!!!
---1st_cliff on 2/3/13


"Deduction and probably, because there's no absolute proof that Luke was the author!" 1stCliff

Does the "Gospel according to Luke" help you figure out anything?

Dictionary defines "deduce" as, "to derive as a conclusion from something known or assumed". Meaning you are assuming it's not Luke when it clearly says in the Bible, Luke. So plainly, the Bible calls you a false witness.



"It was compiled by at least four Groups of writers!Known in bibliogrophy as J,E P and R. Too lengthy to discuss here!"

Say who? Too lengthy to discuss? That's because you're filled with so much lies, you can't even put it in words to begin.
---christan on 2/3/13


Many things in life can be "BELIEVED", but our goal is proper WORSHIP (we should be "WORSHIPERS", not mere "BELIEVERS"). Hebrews 6:1 in the original 1611 KJV used the phrase "DOCTRINE of Christ" (not just an EXPRESSION, the teaching about the crucifixion AND Jesus's gift of His Spirit is EXTREMELY important).

John 7:39 "the spirit had not yet been given".

The doctrine of Christ has been ACCOMPLISHED and DONE, our worship must now be based on having THE SPIRIT, so we must MOVE ON (go "ahead" to a more excellent worship (1 Corinthians 12:31).

2 John 1:9 (VERY important) "Any one who goes ahead and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God".
---more_excellent_way on 2/3/13


God promised to preserve His words (Psa. 12:6-7, Mat. 24:35). There has to be a preserved copy of God's pure words somewhere. where is it?
which King James Bible do you have, the 1611, the 1629, the 1638, the 1762, or the 1769?", a 1769 edition, (not revision)of the King James 1611 Authorized Version. Which no one has proved wrong yet
---michael_e on 2/3/13


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Christian,Deduction and probably, because there's no absolute proof that Luke was the author!
As for Genesis it was NOT Moses who wrote it!
It was compiled by at least four Groups of writers!Known in bibliogrophy as J,E P and R. Too lengthy to discuss here!
So much you know!
You can lean on superstition I'll lean on facts!
---1st_cliff on 2/3/13


\\cluny I have a copy of the original King james schofeld king james is word for word the same as the original version from 1611.\\

No, it isn't. There are many places where Schofield changed the KJV, but that's not what I'm talking about here.

And you've not answered my question about which recension of the KJV is the inspired one.

It can't be "as was originally written," because the Archbishop of Canterbury ordered over a dozen changes by his own authority after the printer received the fair copy--which has since been lost.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/3/13


1stCliff, and by "deduction" you took it upon yourself to "deduce" it was "probably" Luke who wrote the Gospel of Luke? Wow, how scientific is that? Even poor old Sherlock Holmes would have been embarrassed by your theory of "deduction".

Was Moses mentioned in Genesis? And yet we know that it was him who wrote the first five books of the OT. See your logic behind "The author's name does not appear in the book."? NO LOGIC!

As for your "historians", they matter not a jolt to me and that's because my faith points me to the Holy Spirit of God, who wrote the entire Holy Bible from Genesis to Revelation, period.
---christan on 2/3/13


cluny I have a copy of the original King james schofeld king james is word for word the same as the original version from 1611. the next bible I am going to buy is the Cambridge bible.
---shira4368 on 2/3/13


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\\well cluny, the new king james leaves or changes many things in the original king james that is the only change in the king james. \\

WRONG! I'm not talking about the NKJV.

The KJV was revised at least FOUR TIMES before 1769.

In addition, the American Bible Society published a version in 1904 conformed to AMERICAN spellings.

ALL of these are published as "Authorized Version" or "King James Version."

ALL of these preceded the English Revised Version of 1881. The American Standard Version of 1901 is nothing but the American Variorum edition.

And the word you are looking for is not "plane" but "plain."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/2/13


Christian,**Isn't the Gospel according to Luke mean it's written by Luke** NO!
The author's name does not appear in the book. Historians conclude it was most probably written by Luke by deduction!
If you know anything about history you would know when Paul wrote to Timothy around the year 60CE that there was no NT! And Revelation and John's Gospel was written some 35 or so years after that! You have serious gaps in your knowledge!
---1st_cliff on 2/2/13


Shira, may I just echo what you said? In truth the New KJV is closer to the tainted NIV than it is to the KVJ. In reality we do not need a "new" KJV. People need to learn to study.
---trey on 2/2/13


Oh for goodness sakes can he ever. Since he can and do it all the time, it must not be in Scripture. However, God's word will never be destroyed, is in the Bible....Not a period or comma!
---pat on 2/2/13


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David8318, my point about the JWs who are indeed children of the devil is not baseless. It was from your very own heart that you said, "Thus, JW's have not involved themselves with Satanic, trinitarian...", and any rejection that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are One in God is most definitely an antichrist.

You continue to call God Jehovah when we are specifically told in Romans 8:15, "For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, Abba, Father."

You see, only the Christians are privileged to call God, "Our Father", while you JW still calls Him, Jehovah. How sad.
---christan on 2/2/13


Shira,Are you so versed in bibliography that you can spot a "perverted"version?
What is your criteria for judging versions?
Are you familiar with both Textus Receptus and Westcott and Hort Mss?
I suspect that someone told you the KJV was most accurate, right?
---1st_cliff on 2/2/13


"NO. "All scripture" that Paul was referring to was OT only!" 1stCliff

Could you please show us WHERE in 2 Timothy 3, Paul was even referring to the OT only, especially when he said "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God". Be warned by Scripture that there's a serious consequence to adding on to the Word, which you have gravely stepped on.


"BTW as I indicated Hebrews author is not certain, but attributed to Paul, same as Luke's gospel is assumed to be from the disciple Luke!!"

Isn't calling the Gospel according to Luke means it's written by Luke? You have a serious problem with understanding what is written in black/white, let alone trying to believe.
---christan on 2/2/13


well cluny, the new king james leaves or changes many things in the original king james that is the only change in the king james. if you go into a Christian book store all the perversion versions are in plane view but if you are looking for a king james, they are in a place where you have to ask where is the king james.
---shira4368 on 2/2/13


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'That's because he doesn't need to, they're already his to begin with'- christan.

An outburst of childish sanctimonious language and behaviour. But what else can be expected from christan?

"You are from your Father the Devil" is Jesus' statement to hypocrites who believed Jesus was also from Satan (Beelzebub). Appears christan and those hypocrites have lots in common.

JW's worship Jehovah God, and follow His son Jesus Christ the 'Prince of Peace' as their saviour. Thus, JW's have not involved themselves with Satanic, trinitarian sponsored wars of the last century and other false religious wars. Satan is the 'Manslayer' (Jo.8:44, Wycliffe) and influences false religion to cause death on an industrial scale.
---David8318 on 2/2/13


Christian, So this is your proof? "Because Paul said so"? Wow indeed , who can argue with that huh?
"All scripture"? If you mean apart from the OT then the Book of Mormon,Koran,Veda etc "all scriptue"?(true or false is another issue)
NO. "All scripture" that Paul was referring to was OT only!
BTW as I indicated Hebrews author is not certain ,but attributed to Paul,same as Luke's gospel is assumed to be from the disciple Luke!!
---1st_cliff on 2/2/13


I believe in a God that has all power "Mt28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." and is able to preserve his word and his people!

His Word:
Mt24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Ps12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Ps12:7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

His People:
1Pet1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
---trey on 2/2/13


\\And when 2 Timothy 3:16 declared, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God" - I assure you this include every word of the sixty-six books from Genesis to Revelation, no more no less.
---christan on 2/1/13\\

There are more than 66 books in the Bible.

If you think that, then you don't have the whole Holy Bible, but a bible with a great big hole in it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/2/13


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\\cluny, I read the history and I also see you are blind too. may God open your eyes to see the truth.
---shira4368 on 2/1/13\\

OK, shira, since you are the only one here who has read the history of Biblical translations in English, and also claim to see, please tell me WHICH of the several recensions of the KJV is the inspired version.

(BTW, Someone greater than anyone who posts to these blogs said, "Because you say, 'I see,' your sin remains.")

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/1/13


"I certainly believe Rom.5.12 is a statement of truth! but I do not believe that "EVERY" word Paul wrote was "God breathed" - 1stCliff

Your confession is one wreak with hypocrisy is all I can say. Isn't Paul an apostle of Jesus Christ? And who told you Paul wrote Hebrews? God has decided in His infinite wisdom not to reveal to us the author of Hebrews and you assume it was Paul? Wow, how "wise" of you!

And when 2 Timothy 3:16 declared, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God" - I assure you this include every word of the sixty-six books from Genesis to Revelation, no more no less.
---christan on 2/1/13


"Jehovah's Witnesses have not been tempted by Satan." David8318

That's because he doesn't need to, they're already his to begin with. Remember what Jesus said, "You are of your father the devil"?



"More than half the Bibles, Satan has tampered with." bike

Are you even a Christian? Where's your faith? It's like saying Satan succeeded in overthrowing God.
---christan on 2/1/13


Christian, I certainly believe Rom.5.12 is a statement of truth! but I do not believe that "EVERY" word Paul wrote was "God breathed"
Just because he wrote 13 or 14 (Hebrews not certain) books of the 27, NT, doesn't automatically qualify his works as "inspired"! He was after all Pharisee trained and schooled still clinging to the religion Jesus denounced! It shows in his writings!His charisma won over the Christians of the day!
---1st_cliff on 2/1/13


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It doesn't say anywhere in the bible that Satan cannot tamper with the writings of men. In fact Jeremiah 8:8-9 tells us the opposite.

However, Jesus did promise His disciples that the Holy Spirit would teach them ALL things and cause them to remember EVERYTHING that He had taught them. John 14:26. And therefore we have the eyewitness words of Matthew and John with us today. God wants us to know the Truth and that is why He sent His Son into the world, to testify to the Truth. John 18:37.
---barb on 2/1/13


"Then how is it you believe the lie that "you will not surely die" as in the pagan belief of the soul's immortality?" 1stCliff

I believe in the serpent's lie? No, no, no... that belong to Adam and Eve. You forgot, we're all post Adam and Eve, so it's parse. What I believe is found in Romans 5:12, "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned"

Do you believe Paul? I sure do.
---christan on 2/1/13


Sure he can Cliff, down thru the ages via a multitude of individual false prophets who invent false religions wherein many souls are led away from absolute Bible truth & towards the devil's lies. But, Christians must know & hear the voice (Word)of God so as not to be misled. As he deceived Eve, as he tempted Jesus in the wilderness, the devil is yet tempting people with his subtle lies.
---Leon on 2/1/13


cluny, I read the history and I also see you are blind too. may God open your eyes to see the truth.
---shira4368 on 2/1/13


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2 Corinthians 11:13 - FOR such are false apostles deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

2 Corinthians 11:14 - AND no marvel : satan himself transformed into an angel of light.

2 Corinthians 11:15 - THEREFORE it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the minister of
righteousness, whose end shall be according to their works.

2 Thessalonians 2:10 - AND with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish, because They received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. ----------->
---RICHARDC on 2/1/13


shira, where did you get the idea that the KJV is more God's word that any other mere translation, especially when it's been changed a bunch of times, the most recent revision being by ABS noramlizing it according to American spellings?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/1/13


"'So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth,
. It shall not return to me void,
. But it shall accomplish what I please,
. And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it.'"
. . . . . . . . . . . . (Isaiah 55:11)

So, then, God's word is unconditionally guaranteed to accomplish and prosper in all that He pleases . . . all that God's word means to our Father, Himself. Satan can not tamper with how our Father understands His own word and has His word do all He means (c:

So, while ones may be boasting themselves while name-calling others, God is doing with His word better than you are! In His love "in our hearts" (Romans 5:5) He personally shares His meaning with us (c:
---willie_c: on 2/1/13


wow bike, I am glad to read what you posted. you are right about other bibles. do you think the king james bible has the blessings of God upon it? have you noticed that in the past 50 yrs, there are many translations of the bible (won't call it Godly inspired). there is even a new translations where no one is any gender. it is another generic that are catering to sodomites. my sister in law went to a sodomite church. the pastor had his "wife" hugging, holding hands and kissing in church. my sister in law is a sodomite. she told me she wasn't that way any more then turned around and told me she wanted to go out with a lady at church. the lady has a husband. these people are mocking God and they will not go unpunished.
---shira4368 on 2/1/13


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bike, satan is in the middle of bible translations and then he blinds the eyes of those so they will think the translations are ok. I don't know why some think they can improve God's Word. there was a guy who use to be here that is writing his own bible. guess he thinks he is smarter than God. some say the king james is hard to read but in actuality it is 12th grade reading. bike, will you write me at shira4368? I want to ask you a couple of things, thanks and God bless
---shira4368 on 2/1/13


More than half the Bibles, Satan has tampered with. There is agenda in translating Bibles. The Temptation of Christ, Luke 4, shows that Satan is well versed. Other than that, we have some Bible words on those who add and change things around. Revelation 22:18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. Matthew 5:19 Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
---bike on 2/1/13


let's assume satan did. then, how do we know which ones he did and didn't?

oh, i know. the one i believe is the truth and the ones you believe are tampred with.
---aka on 2/1/13


Jehovah's Witnesses have not been tempted by Satan. They are a peaceful people and whose members have not involved themselves in the trinitarian backed conflicts of the past or today.

Cluny's Un-Orthodox Church however is far different. Cluny is as inept with his church history as he is with understanding scrpture.

It is abundantly clear Satan was behind the partnership between sycophant Athanasius and pagan Roman Emperor Constantine in forcing the satanic/antichrist pagan trinity onto an unsuspecting population.
---David8318 on 2/1/13


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Christian, Then how is it you believe the lie that "you will not surely die" as in the pagan belief of the soul's immortality?
---1st_cliff on 2/1/13


We know that Jehovah's False Witnesses were tempted by Satan to falsify the New World Mistranslation of the Holy Scriptures.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/31/13


Where is it written that he can Cliff?
---Leon on 1/31/13


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