Ahitophel Plotted Against David
"A promise of position. He wanted to advance. More power, more position, more glitter. Why did Judas betray Jesus?"
---bike on 2/3/13
Ahitophel & Judas had hidden agendas. Money didn't motivate either of them. Both were determined to overthrow their respective ruling governments. Judas wanted to topple Rome. He may have thought Jesus had failed, but as a dead martyr, He would succeed in igniting the Jews to rebel. Ahitophel wanted a coup to bring down the house of David. His motive was purely revenge against David for dishonoring his family. Their views ran in strong opposition to those of their leader. Satan filled the hearts of both men leading to their self-destruction at the end of a rope.
---Leon on 2/12/13|
Pat, I do like your answer very much. There is so much to the story that to give one conclusive reason would be wrong since we were not present to see whether anger, jealousy or just plain pride was the factor, we can only guess by what happened to him. So many things were happening there with Absalom and David. Your opinion has a sound base. peace
---Mark_V. on 2/12/13|
Leon, I agree on the answer that Pat gave after reading the story of Ahitophel. He is mentioned by the Jews that when he hanged himself he was but 33 years old. Found in (T. Bab. Sanherin, fol 106. 2.
One so young could hardly be a counsellor of David. And also so famous, and besides, if so young, could not be the grandfather of Bathsheba. He was devasted that Absalom did not take his advice and knew if caught by David he would be killed by him and all his possession taken. So instead put his house in order and went and hanged himself.
---Mark_V. on 2/12/13|
"He believed his own popularity would bring success to Absalom's revolt. Possibly sensing a chance to rise to power himself...In the end, sensing the whole plot was doomed, he hung himself, out of disgrace, pride mostly, he took his life. Lesson: Those [who] are commonly most ambitious of preferment (promotion to office) are [the ones] least fit for it. The best qualified are the most modest & self-diffident (lacking self confidence). [Unfit] Absalom wanted to be king..."
---pat on 2/9/13
I respect your opinion Pat regarding Ahit', but I don't think his motive was a power play (self-aggrandisement). Rather, I believe it was purely centered around old fashioned, slow walking, served cold REVENGE. :).
---Leon on 2/9/13|
FYI: "Even my close friend [Ahitophel] in whom I trusted, someone I trusted, one who shared my bread, has turned against me." (Psalms 41:9)
Jesus, who was probably around 33 at the time when, He quoted this verse in speaking of Judas at the last supper, as the betrayer, who like Ahitophel turned against the one who entrusted him with responsibility.
Only one man named Ahitophel is mentioned in the Bible. In 2 Sam. 23:34, he is said to be the father of Eliam. 2 Samuel 11:3 notes that Eliam is the father of Bathsheba. Ahitophel of 2 Samuel 15 is in fact Bathsheba's grandfather.
Note: Some commentators say Ahitophel may also have been the brother of Nabal & brother in-law to Abigail.
---Leon on 2/9/13|
He believed his own popularity would bring success to Absalom's revolt. Possibly sensing a chance to rise to power himself..In the end, sensing the whole plot was doomed, he hung himself, out of disgrace, pride mostly, he took his life. We learn in lesson: Those are commonly most ambitious of preferment [promotion to office] that are least fit for it, the best qualified are the most modest and self-diffident [lacking in self confidence.] Absalom wanted to be king judge.
---pat on 2/9/13|
Sis. Shira, very good point. An antitype of Judas was Ahitophel. I do not believe he was the grandfather of Bathsheba, only because records show he was 33 years old when he hanged himself. Only my opinion since two Ahitophel are mentioned in Scripture.
Some theologians believe they were the same person, others believe they were different guys. Depending who you believe. The Jews are the Hebrews, or even American writers.
---Mark_V. on 2/9/13|
FYI: The only reason I ask these questions is to somehow show bloggers the people in the Bible were more than just characters in a book. They were very much living, breathing PEOPLE LIKE US & we are extensions of them. If we can connect with that, then things we don't think are possible to understand might be shown to us.
We are living, "2013 Bible" characters with all the good & bad characteristics of people in the Bible (Gen.-Rev.). Bible genealogies show character traits were passed from generation-to-generation. Should we be surprised that we also have like tendencies?
Accusers of me & others of adding to the Bible, know this: Your being alive is adding to the Bible. You are spoken of in the Book! :)
---Leon on 2/8/13|
"satan intered into judas. just another ploy for satan to destroy Jesus. all thru the bible, satan tried to destroy the bloodline of Jesus. judas sold out Jesus for 30 pieces of silver. judas committed suicide. the bible don't say but I believe satan departed out of judas and judas was convicted in his heart and that is why he committed suicide."
---shira4368 on 2/6/13
Huh?! How does that relate to this blog?
---Leon on 2/6/13|
satan intered into judas. just another ploy for satan to destroy Jesus. all thru the bible, satan tried to destroy the bloodline of Jesus. judas sold out Jesus for 30 pieces of silver. judas committed suicide. the bible don't say but I believe satan departed out of judas and judas was convicted in his heart and that is why he committed suicide.
---shira4368 on 2/6/13|
\\A promise of position. He wanted to advance. More power, more position, more glitter. Why did Judas betray Jesus?
---bike on 2/3/13\\
Of course, you have no desire for earthly advancement, even in your line of work and career, do you bike?
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/6/13|
Ahitophel was against David because he did not forgive whom God has forgiven and therefore was seeking revenge to punish David back.
---Adetunji on 2/5/13|
//Note: Ahitophel was Bathsheba's grandfather.//
---Rod4Him on 2/4/13|
"Because David had Ahitophel's son-in-law killed, and then David got the deceased's wife pregnant."
---Rod4Him on 2/3/13
Note: Ahitophel was Bathsheba's grandfather.
---Leon on 2/4/13|
//A promise of position.//
He already had the position with David.
---Rod4Him on 2/3/13|
A promise of position. He wanted to advance. More power, more position, more glitter. Why did Judas betray Jesus?
---bike on 2/3/13|
Because David had Ahitophel's son-in-law killed, and then David got the deceased's wife pregnant.
---Rod4Him on 2/3/13|
A thread that runs throughout the Bible is family...
---Leon on 2/3/13|