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Bathsheba Was In View

Do you "suppose" Bathsheba knew King David was home and would likely be able to see her bathing from his porch?

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What I believe: We are spirit beings ~ each have a soul (mind) & all live in physical bodies (flesh & bones).

In the 1st Adam, man is a sin dead/unregenerated immortal spirit, that has consciousness (mind) & lives in a mortal body. When the flesh dies, the spirit & soul (mind) are lost to hell (the grave). What a horror!

In Jesus, the 2nd Adam, man is regenerated/quickened, an immortal spirit living in a mortal body. In a "born again" condition, when the flesh dies, the spirit man departs it & carries the "saved" soul, & both instantly are in God's presence. The mortal body is buried until the day of resurrection. What a joy!

God gives babies a pass...
---Leon on 2/8/13


francis, Each human being IS a soul, that dwells inside of a flesh-and-blood body. At death, the soul departs from the physical body and dwells temporarily up in the Third Heaven, or down below in Hell. There, they await the resurrection, which is the REUNITING of the soul with their spiritualized bodies. As I asked you before, Francis, Where does the soul, (the "sleeping" part of you, If you believe in soul-sleep, I DON'T) Where does your soul dwell at death?? You mean your soul is the ROTTING CORPSE buried in the ground? You believe souls are "unconscious" at death?? The SCRIPTURES SAY, TO BE ABSENT FROM THE BODY is to be PRESENT WITH THE LORD (II CORINTHIANS 5:8).
---Gordon on 2/8/13


---Gordon on 2/8/13
That human possed a " soul" thatgoes ot of thebody at death is not biblical. It comes from Pagan teaching.

We do not have a soul, we ARE a soul
A soul is a living being
Genesis 2:7 KJV: and man became a living soul.
Genesis 2:7 NIV:
Then the Lord God the man became a living being.


Some translations say living soul, some say living being

It is one who is alive that is a soul

There are No scriptures about the soul going anywhere at dead, Scripture only speaks about the ghost / spirit/ breath of God going back to Him at death
---francis on 2/8/13


Christan, In Old Testament times, and up until YAHUSHUA arose from the Tomb, everybody, both Believers and Unbelievers, went to "Hell". It is in the "heart of the Earth", which is in, or, towards the "center" of Earth. But, up 'til His Resurrection, this Hell was divided, by a huge Chasm, between the Tormenting side of Hell and the "Paradise" side (which is also called "Abraham's Bosom". (As presented in the Story of Lazarus and the Rich Man in LUKE 16.) When YAHUSHUA arose, (and, this was sometime between His Resurrection and His first recorded Appearance to Mary Magdelene, where He, after having been in Hell's Paradise for 3 Days and 3 Nights, He took the Old Saints up to the Third Heaven.
---Gordon on 2/8/13


FYI: The only reason I ask these questions is to somehow show bloggers the people in the Bible were more than just characters in a book. They were very much living, breathing PEOPLE LIKE US & we are extensions of them. If we can connect with that, then things we don't think are possible to understand might be shown to us.

We are living, "2013 Bible" characters with all the good & bad characteristics of people in the Bible (Gen.-Rev.). Bible genealogies show character traits were passed from generation-to-generation. Should we be surprised that we also have like tendencies?

Accusers of me & others of adding to the Bible, know this: Your being alive is adding to the Bible. You are spoken of in the Book! :)
---Leon on 2/8/13




FYI: The only reason I ask these questions is to somehow show bloggers the people in the Bible were more than just characters in a book. They were very much living, breathing PEOPLE LIKE US & we are extensions of them. If we can connect with that, then things we don't think are possible to understand might be shown to us.

We are living, "2013 Bible" characters with all the good & bad characteristics of people in the Bible (Gen.-Rev.). Bible genealogies show character traits were passed from generation-to-generation. Should we be surprised that we also have like tendencies?

Accusers of me & others of adding to the Bible, know this: Your being alive is adding to the Bible. You are spoken of in the Book! :)
---Leon on 2/8/13


Francis, WHERE, then, does the soul go to at death?? Does it stay inside of a ROTTING CORPSE?? Is that how GOD treats the souls of HIS beloved Saints??
---Gordon on 2/8/13


francis, seriously, what sort of teachings goes on in your so-called "church"? You quote James 2:26 "the body without the spirit is dead" and you equate that with "Body - Breath of God ( SPIRIT) = DEATH (NO SOUL)"???

Do you realise that the "body" (flesh and blood) is merely a vessel that "contains" the soul and the spirit? So James 2:26 clearly tells us when the body dies, the spirit has been separated. James doesn't say the spirit dies.

You shoot yourself in the foot quoting Ecclesiastes 12:7, "the spirit shall return unto God who gave it". It doesn't say the spirit returns dead to God for we know He's God of the living and not dead.
---christan on 2/8/13


FYI: The only reason I ask these questions is to somehow show bloggers the people in the Bible were more than just characters in a book. They were very much living, breathing PEOPLE LIKE US & we are extensions of them. If we can connect with that, then things we don't think are possible to understand might be shown to us.

We are living, "2013 Bible" characters with all the good & bad characteristics of people in the Bible (Gen.-Rev.). Bible genealogies show character traits were passed from generation-to-generation. Should we be surprised that we also have like tendencies?

Accusers of me & others of adding to the Bible, know this: Your being alive is adding to the Bible. You are spoken of in the Book! :)
---Leon on 2/8/13


2 Timothy 2:24-26 ESV

And the Lord's servant must not be QUARRELSOME but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will.
---Leon on 2/8/13




Genesis 2:7 the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

A: Body + Breath of God ( SPIRIT) = soul
James 2:26 the body without the spirit is dead,

B: Body - Breath of God ( SPIRIT) = DEATH (NO SOUL)

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

When we die, our Bodies return to the dust and the BREATH OF GOD ( spirit) returns to God who gave it

C: it's not our soul or spirit that goes to God at death, it is THE SPIRIT OF GOD, that returns

Psalms 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, in that very day his thoughts perish.
---francis on 2/8/13


Francis, It's the PHYSICAL BODY of David that is dead and buried and is lying in the sepulchre. The soul and spirit departed from his physical body when he died. And, to be absent from the body is to be present with the LORD. When we die, OUR SPIRITS AND SOULS DO NOT REMAIN IN DEAD ROTTING CORPSES
---Gordon on 2/7/13


Psalms 115:17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished, neither have they any more a portion for ever in any [thing] that is done under the sun.


Psalms 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, in that very day his thoughts perish.


Ecclesiastes 9:4 For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion.
---francis on 2/7/13


Gordon, I'm sure you will profess to be a reader of the Bible. All Christians will acknowledge that Heaven is the eternal state of God's Kingdom. And since Christ has not returned to judge, we are also told Heaven and the Lake of Fire (ie hell) is not yet established and that will be done when He returns.

You say, "For, those Old Saints in Paradise (Paradise of Hell)". How in the name of English language do you "merry" Paradise and hell in one sentence? Hell is Paradise??? And to put them together as you did - "Paradise of Hell" is simply ridiculous English!

If you can't get this right, how do you expect us to believe in what you are explaining?
---christan on 2/7/13


"David was not speaking about david, in fact David is dead, and buried, and david is NOT in heaven, clearly david was not among those resurrected with jesus" francis

Go study Luke 16:19-31!

And then come tell us the saints are not in Paradise fellow-shipping with one another. O btw, Luke 16:19-31 is not a parable. There's nothing for Christ to speak about in parables as far as Paradise and Hades are concerned. It is what it is. Eternal life and eternal death.
---christan on 2/7/13


Acts 2:25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:

Acts 2:29 Men [and] brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day

Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

Davis prophesied about Jesus' death, resurrection and ascention into heaven

David was not speaking about david, in fact David is dead, and buried, and david is NOT in heaven, clearly david was not among those resurrected with jesus
---francis on 2/7/13


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Regarding ACTS 2:34, and whether or not king David is in Heaven---I believe it is saying that only One ascended up unto the highest of Heaven, that is the Highest Position in Heaven, the Right Hand of GOD. And, that refers to YAHUSHUA (JESUS CHRIST). The Son of GOD, alone, ascended up unto the very Throne of GOD. READ Verse 34 in it's surrounding Context. Do not just pull it out to sit and to be read "alone". Those Verses are talking of the only One Who was Worthy of ascending to the Highest Position in Heaven. Read the Greek, and read other Translations that word it accurately. For, those Old Saints in Paradise (Paradise of Hell) were taken up by the Lord after His Resurrection, up to the Third Heaven.
---Gordon on 2/7/13


"Now was david comforted by the thoght of his own death. THE BIBLE DOES NOT SAY THAT" francis

And this is David's reply to you, from Psalm 23,

"The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want.

He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me, thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever."


Maybe you should open your eyes a little more before you say "THE BIBLE DOES NOT SAY THAT".
---christan on 2/7/13


Word-games, Mark! You say that you're not saying whether babies go to Heaven or Hell, which implies that you're not really sure where they go. You point out that "all our born in sin". But, you won't come right out and say that "babies go to Hell". 'Cause, Mark, if they don't go to Heaven, they must end up in Hell. There's no other place to go to! So, WHERE DO THE BABIES END UP GOING TO, Mark?? They have to go SOMEWHERE when they die. Even if they "soul-sleep" until Judgment Day, WHERE DO THEY END UP GOING TO?? To Heaven or to Hell?? Don't just say "GOD will decide", because that'd imply that there's a chance that they may end up in Heaven after all. So, if not Heaven, then, WHERE??!
---Gordon on 2/7/13


Acts 2:29 Men [and] brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.


Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens:

So I MUST agree that David joined his son in the grave
and not in heaven

Now was david comforted by the thoght of his own death. THE BIBLE DOES NOT SAY THAT

2 Samuel 12:24 And David comforted Bathsheba his wife, and went in unto her, and lay with her: and she bare a son, and he called his name Solomon: and the LORD loved him
---francis on 2/7/13


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Mark V, *sigh* Why would you want to give us your "opinion", later on?? You are one of those who keep telling certain of us that you only believe "what the BIBLE says", and not the words of any "man". YES, you have said that a number of times! Yet, now you claim that you're going to give us YOUR OPINION (which is the words of a mere man, Mark!) as IF your opinion mattered, AFTER you rebuke me and others for giving "man's opinion". Mark, that is called "H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y".
---Gordon on 2/7/13


Mark V, You say that I preach about babies going to Heaven out of my "feelings" and my "own understanding" regards to who deserves Salvation. Well, at least we all know that YOU are deserving of Salvation because GOD chose and predestined YOU to be "one of the Elect". While thousands upon thousands of unborn babies get sent straight to HELL in torments. *whew* I'm glad you're here to set me straight, Mark!
---Gordon on 2/7/13


Gordon, I never said babies go to heaven or that they go to hell. What I said was, there is only one way to be saved, that is through faith in Jesus Christ and that He is the only way. There is not many ways, but one. You did not understand English so here is spanish,
"Porgue de tal manera amo Dios al mundo, que ha dado a su Hijo unigenito, para que todo aquel que en el cree, no se pierda, mas tenga vida eterna. Porque no envido Dios a su Hijo al mundo para condenar al mundo, sino para que el mundo sea salvo por el. El que en el cree, no es condenado, pero el que no cree, ya ha sido condenado, porque no ha creido en el nombre del unigenito Hijo de Dios" (San Juan 3:1-18).
meaning all are condemned already.
---Mark_V. on 2/7/13


Gordon, I"ll be happy to answer your question'
Yes babies go to hell (sheol/hades) the common grave of mankind.(to await resurrection)
KJV translates sheol(hell) 31 times as GRAVE.once as pit,31 times as hell(untranslated) The only bad hell for humans is "Gehenna" a figurative description of extermination!
No mention of babies going there!
---1st_cliff on 2/7/13


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"...David could just as well have meant that he will join his child in the grave, not in heaven. Your interpretation, Gordon, is seen through the prism of post-exilic Judaism and Christianity."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/7/13


ABSURD! Why would David (or anyone for that matter) have been comforted by thinking he'd join his child in the grave?! No, that's looney Cluny! A repentant David knew he'd see the child later in heaven. Note: If David was in error regarding the child's whereabouts, would not he have been openly (in the Bible) rebuked by the Lord for thinking so?
---Leon on 2/7/13


Mark V and Christan, You guys can't have it both ways. You can't state that infants don't go to Heaven at death, and, at the same time, DENY that they go to HELL. Neither one of you have answered my question. Both of you have AVOIDED the answering of my question, SO, I'll ask you both AGAIN. If the infants and unborn babies, et al, did not, or do not (according to you) go to Heaven at death, then, DID THEY GO TO HELL? Did those babies, and do the babies, at death, go to Hell?? If not Heaven, there is only ONE other alternative, and that is HELL. Did the babies, and do babies, at death, go to HELL? Answer me, and say so in a COMPLETE SENTENCE, as in "Yes, the babies and unborn go to Hell." IF you don't believe that they go to Heaven.
---Gordon on 2/7/13


Cluny, The Truth of the Afterlife is not some mere "ideology" that people have developed over periods of time. Most of the Pharisees and Sadducees did not know GOD, nor HIS Truths. They lived in a perversion of the true Faith, in a religion that was PURE LEGALISM. That's why, by-and-large, they rejected YAHUSHUA, the only Way to GOD! The Afterlife is a fact that has existed since DAY-ONE. It's just that some are too Bible-ignorant to see it. Look it all up (AGAIN, I guess!) in a Concordance and in a GOOD Dictionary. The "Grave" is not just a plot of dirt in the ground where the dead corpse is buried. The Grave is the ABODE OF THE DEAD. It's the place where the souls dwell after they separate from their dead physical bodies.
---Gordon on 2/7/13


"Leon, Don't sweat it Leon, they don't publish all my posts either!"
---1st_cliff on 2/7/13


All hail the great n powerful Oz!!! :)
---Leon on 2/7/13


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"Gordon, Christan is right.[?]...They need to be born of the Spirit, & children are not born of the Spirit, they are born sinful.
People who think like you, have many ways. Babies through another way...I also have an opinion concerning babies, & I will give it later,[really?!] but only an opinion, not found in the Bible."
---Mark_V. on 2/7/13


Gordon: You're wasting your time trying to reason with people like Chris & Saint Jose (aka Markie). These milky mouths can't comprehend the awesome grace, love & provisions of God. They just don't get it & won't get it until they choose to grow up & eat the meat God has placed before them.
---Leon on 2/7/13


Gordon, Christan is right. You keep using your own feelings, you own understanding as to who deserves salvation. Scripture never tells us there is many ways into heaven. One way and that is through Christ Jesus. They need to be born of the Spirit, and children are not born of the Spirit, they are born sinful.
People who think like you, have many ways. Babies through another way, those who do not hear the gospel, another way, those who are good in life another way. None of that is in Scriptural. The age of accountability is not mentioned either. This is something someone (a sinner) invented to include children. Like you, I also have an opinion concerning babies, and I will give it later, but only an opinion, not found in the Bible.
---Mark_V. on 2/7/13


=="For David knew that, one day, he would "go to the child". MEANING, that he would reunite with his child IN HEAVEN." - Gordon==

Not true.

The Hebrews did not develop the idea of an afterlife with rewards and punishment until AFTER the Exile.

The Saduccees at the time of Jesus considered themselves the conservatives, rejecting the Pharisee's innovative idea of angels, souls, and an afterlife.

David could just as well have meant that he will join his child in the grave, not in heaven. Your interpretation, Gordon, is seen through the prism of post-exilic Judaism and Christianity.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/7/13


Leon, Don't sweat it Leon, they don't publish all my posts either!
---1st_cliff on 2/7/13


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"They are INNOCENT in GOD's Eyes." Gordon

Your theory of babies are truly fantastic. Here's why, Scripture explicitly declares: "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one", and I'm very sure this includes babies. Why? "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned" including babies.

That's because they are all born under sin! No one escaped that curse. See how devastating the fall of man was in Genesis?

I am guided by Scriptures and not by the fallen human emotions that you are experiencing and that's because you have no Scriptures to support your theory.
---christan on 2/6/13


Christan, I DO believe the Egyptian babies all went to Heaven, YES. Because, it wasn't the first-born BABIES that were being punished, it was the PARENTS of the first-born who were being Judged by GOD. GOD snatched the babies from their parents IN JUDGMENT, and HE took them HOME. There were those Egyptian first-born who were of the age of accountability, who would've went to Hell. But, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT INFANTS, SMALL CHILDREN, AND THE UNBORN. They are INNOCENT in GOD's Eyes. Should they not also experience GOD's Grace, as WE get to? We SIN time-after-time, and yet, HE forgives us STILL. Infants don't know Right from Wrong, so, how do you Judge them properly? So, I ask you AGAIN, Christan....Did the babies end up in HELL??
---Gordon on 2/6/13


Moderator: Why are you blocking my recent posts here?
---Leon on 2/6/13


Yes,bro.Gordon with all respect to you, agree with my sis.Shira4368, excellante the way you explain that post about baby, etc.. may the Lord bless you.love of Jesus!
For bro.Cluny, ha"ha! Just mess with ya! Love of Jesus! ELENA
---ELENA on 2/6/13


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"For David knew that, one day, he would "go to the child". MEANING, that he would reunite with his child IN HEAVEN." - Gordon

Did 2 Samuel 12:14-23 say such a thing? I find it rather weird you can derived something like that from the account of 2 Samuel 12, when there's not even a mention of the child going to heaven after God took it's life.

From using Matthew 19:14, Mark 10:14 and Luke 18:16, you come to the conclusion "all children" go to heaven? Let's just say you're right. Therefore by your understanding, the first born of all the Egyptians in Exodus are in heaven? And those born and died outside of Christianity are also in heaven? See the error in your understanding?
---christan on 2/6/13


Christan, When that first child between king David and Bathsheba died, David stopped mourning for the infant. For David knew that, one day, he would "go to the child". MEANING, that he would reunite with his child IN HEAVEN. Compare what David said with what YAHUSHUA (JESUS) says in MATTHEW 19:14, MARK 10:14, and in LUKE 18:16. "...'Suffer (allow) LITTLE CHILDREN, and forbid them not, to come unto Me: For OF SUCH is the Kingdom of Heaven." Now, you (or anyone else) may say that He meant little children in a "symbolic" way. But, He was talking ABOUT actual, real-life children that were surrounding Him. The Kingdom of Heaven consists of little children. LITERALLY. Including unborn infants, especially.
---Gordon on 2/6/13


Hello,Mary thankyou,yes,my son Greg if he were alive would be 40 years old , cried over him. They had a song way back, if you remember "only the good die young!" he is in heaven. My daughter is mean. She got meaner marry that husband ( he not even a devout muslim) he hates children.
One thing I have seen they love children.Always,good see you on here.For bro.Cluny,the baby never had a chance to be bad. Sometimes you just don't like me. It's ok. You have a good day Bro.Cluny.


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---ELENA on 2/6/13


\\Little baby ( who actually, innocent) in the mess,had to die!\\

Nowhere does the Bible say that little babies are innocent, ELENA.

Rather, as David wrote in the Bible, "Behold, I was born in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/6/13


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"Although all unborn babies go directly to Heaven at death" Gordon

Scripture is totally silent about this and I think we had better not speculate on such, since God never revealed this to us at all. It would be adding on to the Word.


"I too believe in free will because God gives us a choice to be saved or reject Him." Shira

According to you, Jesus and Paul would then be lying when they proclaimed, "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day... for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth..."
---christan on 2/5/13


Gordon, I love your post. you said it better than all of us could. I too believe in free will because God gives us a choice to be saved or reject Him. some here don't believe it but I have too many scriptures that say we can accept or reject. my pastor preached a sermon about accept or reject. they are totally far apart. so I came home got my bible and came up with some too. saved-lost, grief-joy, new-old, believer-unbeliever, equal-unequal, happy-sad, accept-reject, love-hate, fellowship-isolation, full-empty, true-false, agree-disagree, heaven-hell, real-unreal, giver-taker, saint-sinner, sheep-goats, good-evil, ox-donkey, Christ-belial, righteous-unrighteous. I just thought I would share that.
---shira4368 on 2/5/13


Hi Elena, I am so very sorry about your son, and all you've had to go through. You are in my thoughts and prayers, love and hugs, Mary
---Mary on 2/5/13


Gordon, I have several different bible translations but none of them seem to say babies go to heaven.
Perhaps you could enlighten me as to book chapter and verses that bear this out!
---1st_cliff on 2/5/13


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1st Cliff, Although all unborn babies go directly to Heaven at death, it does not justify intentional murder, such as Abortion. GOD placed a soul into the baby in the womb. GOD's perfect Will was that the baby would be given birth and be allowed to live it's life on Earth. But, GOD does not cross the free-will of human beings. HE allows them to make their sinful choices and to reap the sad consequences of their choices. Especially after HE'd given HIS Counsel and Warnings against making the wrong choice from the get-go. King David knew it was wrong to covet, to commit Adultery and to murder. GOD took the life of the child as consequence to David's blatant sins. But, the innocent child went to Heaven by GOD's Grace and Mercy, to grow up THERE.
---Gordon on 2/5/13


Elena,Thanks for your kind words,I would be a liar if I said I like everything God does,and I'm sure He doesn't like all the things I do, but He is in command and will do as he pleases .
He has promised me everlasting life and that's all I could ever hope for!
---1st_cliff on 2/4/13


Brother1stCliff, with all respect to you, certainly, has crossed my mind as to why? Little baby ( who actually, innocent) in the mess,had to die! between King David & Bethsheba. Now, it still up to God, He is sovereign but,my heart breaks think of babies ..my son been gone over 40 years & there have been times, I think of him.Bro.1stCliff, may the Lord bless you.love of jesus! ELENA
---ELENA on 2/4/13


//...Not a good ending for this story!//

Correct, in addition, the rest of David's life and beyond was infighting in his family. He did pay consequences for his actions.
---Rod4Him on 2/4/13


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"Of course I know who God is but He never asks me for my opinion!" 1stCliff

You know who God is? I doubt so. He needs your opinion? Ya, you keep dreaming. For this is what God declared, "He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall He speak unto them in His wrath, and vex them in His sore displeasure." Is this your God? It sure is mine.



"Do I like everything he does? No!"

"Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?" Have you made yourself equal to God?
---christan on 2/4/13


Christian, So you commit sin and your child pays the price ? Sorry but it doesn't sit well with me!
I tell it like it is not hiding behind sanctimonious piety like you!
Of course I know who God is but He never asks me for my opinion! Do I like everything he does? No!
---1st_cliff on 2/3/13


Gordon, By your logic and reasoning, abortion sends babies to heaven,so what's all the fuss about???
Does killing children actually do them a favor??
Sorry but I disagree!
---1st_cliff on 2/3/13


"What bothers me most about this whole episode is that Bathsheba was pregnant with his child and God killed the baby for David's sin! Not a good ending for this story!" 1stCliff

Committing adultery and murder is supposed to have a "good ending" to a story? Was it only David's sin that God dealt with? Did Bathsheba not sinned too? Where are you even going with this? We are told, "There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God."

Obviously, you don't even have any clue who God is to begin with or you wouldn't have said what you did.
---christan on 2/3/13


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1st Cliff, Such is the price for sin. Nevertheless, there is no need for a frown. The baby went straight to Heaven at death. And, David later joined the infant when he was escorted to Heaven at YAHUSHUA's Resurrection. So, actually, it was a HAPPY ending! :-D
---Gordon on 2/3/13


//Please tell us everything you know about domestic architecture in Jerusalem during the Davidic era.//

The City of David is on top of a small hill with steep sides. The houses would have been almost if not built on top of each other. In addition it would have also been a reasonably small community...there is not much room there. Therefore people would have known their neighbors and habits.

I agree with Gordan.

BTW, I go by that area several times a month, so I know the area well.
---Rod4Him on 2/3/13


What bothers me most about this whole episode is that Bathsheba was pregnant with his child and God killed the baby for David's sin!
Not a good ending for this story!
---1st_cliff on 2/3/13


Do you "suppose" Bathsheba knew King David was home and would likely be able to see her bathing from his porch?

---Leon on 2/1/13

Very unlikely
These men were supposed to be out to war

The fact that she was in an area where others would see her, tell me that she expected Savid and the men of Israel to be on the battle field not out on the roof
---francis on 2/3/13


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Yes, it's VERY possible that it crossed Bathsheba's mind that king David might've been around to scope her out. We notice that she didn't seem to put up much of a fight against David's advances to WOO HER IN. David's sin was the greater of the two, by far, but, we each stand alone before GOD on Judgment Day to give account for our lives.
---Gordon on 2/3/13


\\Surely, Bathsheba did not need to bath upon the roof.\\

Please tell us everything you know about domestic architecture in Jerusalem during the Davidic era.

I'll bet it would fill pin heads.

A casual reading of the Bible will show that all sorts of innocent and private activities took place on the roofs of houses.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/2/13


**There are people who want to be seen**Bike.
They are called exhibitionists, they are becoming more and more common each year.Both sexes!
Then we have the extreme opposite, women peeking out through a veil with total body coverage called a Burka which is symbolic of total male domination!
---1st_cliff on 2/2/13


Ha, Ha, there is nothing in those Scriptures that tells us this. I believe it was an accident, except for the fact that David was not where he was suppose to be that day, which was in battle. And so he walked or ran take your pick, right into sin.
---pat on 2/2/13


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My dad has sponge bathed for years behind a closed bathroom door. I myself have sponge bathed behind closed doors. Surely, Bathsheba did not need to bath upon the roof. At least Noah lay naked in his own tent. People have curtains. People do not use curtains if they do not care that they are seen. There are people who want to be seen.
---Bike on 2/2/13


Hello,bro.Leon, good joke about the B.M.W. We got a kick out a that! :) Love of jesus! ELENA
---ELENA on 2/2/13


"Do you "suppose" Bathsheba knew King David was home and would likely be able to see her bathing from his porch?" Leon

Seriously, what can of worms are you offering in this LATEST episode of your witch hunting series? Are you looking for "evidence" to absolve King David of his sin of lust and murder and to accuse Bathsheba of tempting him? Pointing all the blame to her? Sounds like it doesn't it?
---christan on 2/2/13


I expect this is possible. I have thought that possibility. Obviously, they were neighbors. Obviously, her husband was away. Surely she had seen the king from there before.
---born on 2/2/13


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Brothers, I believe in her day women did not have too much freedoms like now, like the brother says we can only speculate..my guess she had no choice but, to submit.The bathing on the roof? Out side USA there are different society - customs, public or community baths very poor people( the women do not be complete reveal themselves) No acess to facilities, homeless. She (Bethsheba)probably acostomed bathe there, she should of been afraid her husband warrior.
For King David. She had no choice.He seem to me, King David got addiction already! Love of Jesus!
---ELENA on 2/2/13


Here are my verses, my apologies for lateness! King David had took his mind, heart from the Lord. Jer.17:9,
Prov.6:18,Mrk.7:21,Rom.1:21
Heb.3:12.
Love of Jesus! ELENA
---ELENA on 2/2/13


all answers will be speculation
---francis on 2/2/13


"It sounds like she was taken by force and brought before the king!" ---trey on 2/2/13

Trey: She was summoned by the king & obligated to follow the escort. But, she did not have to submit sexually to David. The Bible doesn't say he raped her, so I suspect she willing participated in the act of sin.
---Leon on 2/2/13


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I think it's human nature to watch a woman bathing on a next door roof. I remember an incident similar and I had binoculars and.....I won't go there!
It was a long time ago in NYC
---1st_cliff on 2/2/13


It sounds like she was taken by force and brought before the king! ---trey on 2/2/13

that's what it sounds like..but think about human nature...(the garden of eden affair) "it was him" "it was her". we all have a degree culpability when caught up in a storm.
---aka on 2/2/13


"Leon, Not likely, she was married to Uriah.
Actually David didn't have a Porch it was a BMW!"
---1st_cliff on 2/1/13


You're right about the Porch Cliff. David was Drifting around "Up On The Roof" of his palace when he was tempted to do evil By another Man's Wife (BMW). :)
---Leon on 2/2/13


Cluny: It takes two to tango. I don't believe Bathsheba was innocent. She could've denied David's advances based on the Torah's writings about adultery. Messengers could've been sent to inform her husband Uriah & grandfather Ahithophel (a counselor to the King). In short, she had options other than to give herself to David. She knew the King was home in his palace. Everyone knew! She may've seen him up on his roof a few times & knew he could likewise look down & see into her home.

Reference 2 Sam. 11:2-4
---Leon on 2/2/13


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I do not believe that was Bathsheba's intent. I believe she was simply taking a bath.

The scriptures also tell us:
2Sam11:4 And David sent messengers, and took her, and she came in unto him, and he lay with her, for she was purified from her uncleanness: and she returned unto her house.

It sounds like she was taken by force and brought before the king!
---trey on 2/2/13


While some have tried to imagine Bathsheba as a temptress, I've gathered from the Biblical data that she was simply minding her own business when she took her bath, and David was the peeping tom.

Some have also suggested that David's lust for her had the force of law. (I'm not saying that I believe it, just throwing out an idea that dates to the English reformation.)

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/1/13


Leon, Not likely, she was married to Uriah.
Actually David didn't have a Porch it was a BMW!
---1st_cliff on 2/1/13


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