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Jesus guarantees us that we will do "greater works", than He has done > "because I go to My Father," He says, in John 14:12. What does He mean by "greater works" that we are doing?

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Francis, yes, but that verse says nothing about being crucified WITH Christ.
---kathr4453 on 2/14/13

We will both agree that this is not literal. So tell me, what doe sit mean to you, so that we may find it in the OT
---francis on 2/14/13


I repeat, yes or no answer is fine.

//So, are you suggesting that Jesus is not our example, and we should not follow in His steps?//

Is He our example or not?
---Rod4Him on 2/14/13


Francis, yes, but that verse says nothing about being crucified WITH Christ.
---kathr4453 on 2/14/13


We are SET FREE (excuse my caps, not yelling) from sin, not just forgiven of sin.
---kathr4453 on 2/14/13
NOT REALY A MYSTERY
Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD [is] upon me, because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek, he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to [them that are] bound,
---francis on 2/14/13


So, are you suggesting that Jesus is not our example, and we should not follow in His steps?
---Rod4Him on 2/14/13
If you are speaking about His earthly footsteps, how would you follow in those steps?
He had 12 that couldn't
Christ gave us a pattern that we can follow.1 Tim 1:16
1 Cor 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ

You can't do better than that
---michael_e on 2/14/13




//Instead of trying to pattern ourselves after the Lords earthly ministry ...//

So, are you suggesting that Jesus is not our example, and we should not follow in His steps?
---Rod4Him on 2/14/13


not really a mystery
---francis on 2/14/13

well, actually it is. Because the Mystery of the Church is CHRIST IN YOU, the Hope of Glory. It's the Spirit OF THE LIFE OF CHRIST that sets one free from the law of sin and death.

We are SET FREE (excuse my caps, not yelling) from sin, not just forgiven of sin. To be set FREE, one needs look at Roamns 6. There was no indication in the OT or New Covenant one must identify with Jesus Christ in death and resurrection life. Also read Philippians 3. We are members of His Body. We are baptized into His death..remember, the Holy Spirit did not die on a cross, Jesus did.
---kathr4453 on 2/14/13


Michael_e believes the BOC is not Born Again of the Spirit...that THAT was promised to earthly Israel only.

Not according to Galatians 3 and 4...having BEGUN in the Spirit...
Galatians 4:28-30


28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. Nevertheless what saith the scripture?--- for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Since Kingdom LAW is not about FREEDOM or Isaac, Paul certainly DID preach one must be BORN AGAIN.

It took Jesus DEATH and RESURRECTION to secure that one was BORN AGAIN!
---kathr4453 on 2/14/13


The MYSTERY clearly told us in Colossians, is CHRIST IN YOU, the hope of "GLORY"...not earthly.
---kathr4453 on 2/14/13
Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them].


not really a mystery
---francis on 2/14/13


Notice the word GLORY here in thee verses. Now read John 17...

Romans 5:2
By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Ephesians 1:18
The eyes of your understanding being enlightened, that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

Colossians 1:27
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
---kathr4453 on 2/14/13




Don't you think Paul had temple "priviledges"?
---michael_e on 2/13/13

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and [then] to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Acts 26:21 For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill [me].

_____________________________

Both peter and Paul went to the gentiles
Both Peter and paul had the same message to the Jews as they did to the gentiles

there is only ONE GOSPEL
---francis on 2/14/13


The MYSTERY clearly told us in Colossians, is CHRIST IN YOU, the hope of "GLORY"...not earthly.

Now I do see Jesus prayed this very thing in JOHN 17 ... I in them, thou in Me that we all may be ONE, was certainly not about any earthly Kingdom, and guess what JOHN wrote John, so Jesus surely told John.


Oh LOOK, it even talks about GLORY in John 17.
---kathr4453 on 2/14/13


Well by 70 ad they all lost their temple privileges . 135ad Jerusalem was raised again, even worse than 70ad. Some earthly kingdom reigning from earthly Jerusalem huh?
---kathr4453 on 2/14/13


He could have lost his temple "privileges" since the jews still considered it unlawfull to eat with gentiles
---francis on 2/13/13
Don't you think Paul had temple "priviledges"?
The gospel Christ gave to Paul is missing from Matthew-John, and so is called a mystery gospel (Rom 16:25, Eph 6:19).

Instead of trying to pattern ourselves after the Lords earthly ministry passed on to his twelve apostles to Israel, we should start with Christ crucified and pattern our ministry after the heavenly message of the apostle of the Gentiles (Rom 11:13).
---michael_e on 2/13/13


I wonder why if Peter and Paul were teaching the same thing wouldn't want to be seen with gentiles?---michael_e on 2/13/13

Galatians 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, FEARING them which were of the circumcision.

Keep in mind that Peter was still worshiping in the same temple as all the other Jews.

Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation

He could have lost his temple "privileges" since the jews still considered it unlawfull to eat with gentiles
---francis on 2/13/13


Kathr, you can lie and keep right on going.
---michael_e on 2/13/13


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michael_e, it wasn't that Peter didn't want to be seen, it was he was AFRAID of the "concision". He was being a hypocrite while they were all there, you know TWO FACED. We see people like that even today. THAT is why Paul boldly rebuked him in from of them all. If Peter were in his rights under Kingdom Law, Paul would have been out of line.

It ws because both Paul and Peter were both preaching the GRACE of God, RE CROSS, not Law of God tht Paul got angry with him.

You don't see anywhere Peter put Paul in his place do you? Why, because Peter knew he was WRONG!
---kathr4453 on 2/13/13


And Here "GRACE" is the KEY to that verse francis just posted. To be saved "by GRACE" and Not Kingdom Law. Grace IS the death and rsurrection of Jesus Christ. Galatians 2:20-21 STATE THAT FACT!

michael_e, again, in The Earthly Kingdom people will live for a thousand years. Babies will die at 100 so Isaiah states. The lion will lay down with the Lamb. No death or illnesses, swift judgement etc. Now you want to tell us this already happened? Why then was Peter MURDERED for preaching the Kingdom Gospel, and exactly WHO did the murdering...Born Again BOC believers? Or JEWS who opposed the earthly Kingdom Gospel or the BOC Gospel?
---kathr4453 on 2/13/13


Acts 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
I wonder who these certain men under law were?
I wonder why if Peter and Paul were teaching the same thing (under grace,where jew and gentile being equal) he wouldn't want to be seen with gentiles?
Why did he tell Cornelius, it wasn't lawful to speak to gentiles? etc. etc.
If you check you will find Acts 15 and Gal 2 are the same time period.
---michael_e on 2/13/13


---michael_e on 2/13/13
Peter never asked any Gentile to be circumcised to be saved

Acts 15:7 Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men [and] brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as [he did] unto us, And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts BY FAITH. Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Acts 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
---francis on 2/13/13


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WHY COMPELLEST THOU GENTILES TO LIVE AS DO THE JEWS?
what was peter compelling Paul's converts to do?
Acts 15:1And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
---michael_e on 2/13/13


bro. Willie, In (John 14:11) Jesus says
"...or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves" Then Jesus tells the disciples,
"...and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father"
Jesus, in His humanity, was only One Person. And did a lot of works for One Person. But now the Holy Spirit was going to come and indwell them, and as many as they were, would be able to do many more works then Jesus because they were many in number. And those that were saved, would do more. Jesus did not mean great works in power, but in extent. They would become witnesses to all the world through the power of the indwelling and infilling of the Holy Spirit. Jesus could not those works in His humanity, only as God.
---Mark_V. on 2/12/13


---michael_e on 2/11/13
Galatians 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, WHY COMPELLESTTHOU GENTILES TOLIVE AS DO THE JEWS?

He was not just eating with them, he was converting them to live as Jew do, whcih would mean no prok chop.

This shows that he went to more than just Cornelious, Galations 2 happened during Paul's ministry

When Peter went to Cornelious, Paul was not yet preaching to gentiles

ACTS 15 tells us that Peter was THE FIRST to preach to Gentiles

Galations 2 tells us he preached to Gentiles even during Pauls ministry to Gentiles
---francis on 2/12/13


Michael_e, are you saying the Kingdom Gospel does not require death and resurrection?. So is Cornelius still alive?
---kathr4453 on 2/11/13


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Francis you say
Proof that Peter went to other gentiles, but what was he doing with them?
Gal 2:12 ..he did eat with the Gentiles:
Maybe he wanted a pork chop.

The line goes like this: Cornelius was a Gentile, Peter preached his gospel to Cornelius,

Supposedly, this diminishes the importance of Pauls unique apostleship to the Gentiles (Rom 11:13), and gives evidence that Peter taught the mystery kept secret since the world began (contrast Rom 16:25 to what Peter taught in Acts 3:21).

Cornelius has been dealt with Peters gospel was the kingdom gospel and he was operating under the law. No hint of death, burial and resurrection,Paul's gospel
---michael_e on 2/11/13


So we can say that Peter recruited only one Gentile for the earthly Kingdom? What Gospel were Gentiles for an earthly Kingdom preached...that they would play second fiddle/ in submission to the Jews during that time.

Now do you suppose the Jews at that time were so confused as to be approached by two entirely different Gospels? Was it first come first serve as to which one the Jews belonged to? Did a Jew have a choice to which one he wanted to belong to?

Or was it.."I'm of Paul, no I'm of Apollo, no I'm of Peter, no I'm of Barnabas...no no, I'm of John, no I'm of Timothy".... kind of stuff going on here. Sounds rather carnal to me. What a mess. And you want us to believe God was the author of this confusion?

---kathr4453 on 2/11/13


---michael_e on 2/11/
Galatians 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.

Galatians 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, WHY COMPELLESTTHOU GENTILES TOLIVE AS DO THE JEWS?

PROOF THAT PETER WENT TO OTHER GENTILES IS THAT HE WAS COMPELLING OTHER GENTILES TO LIVE AS JEWS DO
---francis on 2/11/13


Kathr I don't normally keep a conversation with someone who lies about me, but due to your ignorance, I'll make this one last exception.

Paul normally preached first to the Jews at the synagogue, and then went to the Gentiles second. We see this in Acts 13:14-48, Acts 17:1-4, 17:15-18, Acts 18:4-8, and Acts 18:19. Paul's ministry was not to "Gentiles exclusively". He went to the Gentiles and the Jews that were scattered everywhere.
Peter, forced to go to a gentile with the kingdom gospel(repent and be baptised)with no biblical proof that he ever went to another gentile.
---michael_e on 2/11/13


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Michael_e, I see you would rather avoid the question then answer it.

Again, you teach PAUL had the only Gospel of the BOC, the other apostles preached the Earthly Kingdom to the Jews and Gentiles( Cornelius).......

So who preached the Gospel of the BOC to Jews?

Just answer the question Michael...it's not that hard.
---kathr4453 on 2/11/13


Aren't you then teaching anti _semitic doctrine here. You say no JEW is in the BOC??
---kathr4453 on 2/9/13
Paul said these words, I never said you did
kathr453 on 2/10/13
Which is it this time kathr.
Don't you read what you write?
What is over my head is you trying to discuss scripture and lying about it.
---michael_e on 2/10/13


Acts 13:46

46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

Michael, I thought you knew scripture. Paul said these words, I never said you did. However, I did ask you to explain how Jews then became members of the BOC....

Who and when did Paul 's gospel, as you call it, go to the Jews, and it would appear that Gentiles must have taken it to the JEWS, confusing the other apostles you say were preaching another gospel to the Jews.

Is this question over your head? Or can't you find any back up scripture to explain your version.
---kathr453 on 2/10/13


Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves UNWORTHY of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

Paul did Go to Jews first
---francis on 2/10/13


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Kathr, what you fail to understand is when you lie on someone it's hard to keep any credibility.
//You say no JEW is in the BOC??//
//because the Jews considered themselves unworthy of salvation//.
where did I make these statement??
---michael_e on 2/10/13


Great post Francis. What michael_ e is stating is none but Paul understood the Gospel according to the Mystery. A totally new and different Gospel, never heard before taken to the Gentiles, because the Jews considered themselves unworthy of salvation.

Yet what michael_ e fails to see is WHERE is the great moment in scripture THIS Gospel is asked by God for Gentiles now to take it to the Jews. Seems all through out scripture Paul writes, Paul affirms your words Francis, and Jesus words originally...to the JEW first, and then to the Gentiles. Paul was not called to go to the Jews first and then to the Gentiles through out his whole ministry. So exactly what does Paul mean here...according to michael_e?
---kathr4453 on 2/10/13


--michael_e on 2/9/13

Acts 15:7 Peter rose up, and said.. ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the gospel, and believe.
Acts 15:13 James answered, saying,.. Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles,.

Long before Paul was a Christian, Peter had already taken to Gospel to the Gentiles

What michael_e do not yet understand is WHY DID JESUS ASK THEM TO GO TO ISRAEL FIRST and THEN TO THE GENTILES

Here is the answer:
Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:

The Covenant had to be offered Israel only for 7 years
3 1/2 by Jesus, 3 1/2 by the disciples BEFORE it could go to the Nations
---francis on 2/9/13


Kathr. i ask you again.
//You say no JEW is in the BOC??//
Kathr, where did I make this statement??
//So who took the gospel of the BOC to the Jews?//
Paul did.
Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
//you say non of the other Apostles are members of the Heavenly Church.//
Actsc1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore AGAIN the kingdom to Israel?
Peter was looking for a kingdom on earth not in heaven.
---michael_e on 2/9/13


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Matt 15:24 ..I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
---michael_e on 2/9/13
This is the point that most people are making here. Jesus ministry was limited to ISRAEL

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

the disciples are commissioned to go to ALL NATIONS

So which is greater, the ministry limited to Israel, or the Ministry to ALL NATIONS?
---francis on 2/9/13


So who took the gospel of the BOC to the Jews? Paul wasn't sent to the Jews michael_e, and you say non of the other Apostles are members of the Heavenly Church.

Why then is the author of Hebrews telling us the Church of the first Born which is in heaven.

So was Hebrews not written to Jews? Yet we know Paul did not write Hebrews.
---kathr4453 on 2/9/13


//You say no JEW is in the BOC??//
Kathr, where did I make this statement??
Paul (our pattern in the BoC) makes no distinction between Jew and Gentile.
Peter an apostle to Israel did.
Kathr when you attack at least be truthful.
---michael_e on 2/9/13


Francis try open minded,right division, studying, where are the gentiles? Eph. 2:12
Matt 10:5 .. Go not into the way of the Gentiles...
Matt 15:24 ..I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel..
Acts 3:12... Ye men of Israel...
Acts 4:8 Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,
Acts 4:10.. to all the people of Israel..
Acts 5:21..the children of Israel..
Acts 5:31... for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins...
Acts 5:35..Ye men of Israel..
Acts 7:23..the children of Israel..
Acts 7:37...the children of Israel...
Acts 7:42... O ye house of Israel..
Acts 11:19..preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.
---michael_e on 2/9/13


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Ephesians 2:20
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone,


So michael_e was Paul here teaching earthly Israel in this verse/chapter?



1 Peter 2:6
Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

Notice Peter says SION, not ZION. Look in your strongs michael_e....SION is the CHURCH.

Back up scripture Romans 11...
Hebrews 12.
---kathr453 on 2/9/13


---shira4368 on 2/8/13
I am not saying that the NT was not written by men of God. I am saying that what Mattew wrote was not for Jews only, and what Paul wrote was not for the church in corinth only. What is written in the NT is for the church, whether they are Jews, Greeks, male or female

what michael_e is claiming is this: " Jesus was not speaking to us in Matt.Mk. Luke or Jn or the first part
of Acts"
---michael_e on 2/8/13

So that the greater works which Jesus promised is to be done by those Jesus was speaking to.
What he fails to realize is that when Jesus spoke PAUL was not a disciple yet look what " greater works" Paul has done compared to the disciples that were present when Jesus spoke
---francis on 2/9/13


\\he traveled all over the middle east. I hope he didn't have to walk.\\

You don't think he was miraculously teleported like Philip the Deacon, do you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/9/13


bro. Willie, In (John 14:11) Jesus says
"...or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves" Then Jesus tells the disciples,
"...and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father"
Jesus, in His humanity, was only One Person. And did a lot of works for One Person. But now the Holy Spirit was going to come and indwell them, and they, as many as they were, would be able to do many more works then Jesus because they were many in number. And those that were saved, would do much more, and those much more. Jesus did not mean great works in power, but in extent. They would become witnesses to all the world through the power of the indwelling and infilling of the Holy Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 2/9/13


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Michael_e, the problem with your interpretation to Francis is this, since I am not a gentile, and you believe Paul was exclusively given to Gentiles, and you believe Paul had an exclusive on the BOC, to exclusively the Gentiles. Aren't you then teaching anti _semitic doctrine here. You say no JEW is in the BOC?? You also accuse Peter of teaching another cursed Gospel in Galatia while with Paul? And you also say that SPIRITUAL HABITATION Peter preaches in his epistles is about earthly Israel? Why would it then be addressed as a spiritual habitation, and not an earthly habitation?

Michael_e, you don't know how wrong you are.
---kathr4453 on 2/9/13


francis, where do you get some of the things you post from? the new testament was written by men of God and God chose them. do you think john was messing around on the isle of patmos? God put him there to show him some things. john was not allowed to tell what he saw. after paul's conversion, he traveled all over the middle east. I hope he didn't have to walk. He was put in jail, beaten and he suffered for Christ.
---shira4368 on 2/8/13


Francis This a very good question
Where were the gentiles? (Matt 10:5, 15,24 Eph 2:12)
//matthew, mark, Luke and John was not dictated, nor written by Jesus. It was written to the church,// Doesn't matter when it was written, but it does matter who it was written to.It was written to Israel not to you,a gentile. Try reading
Christ gave you an apostle, as a pattern to follow. You can either follow him as he followed Christ or you can stumble around in ignorance.
---michael_e on 2/8/13


By reading John 13, it's clear Jesus was speaking to the His disciples, to Israel.
Where were the gentiles?
---michael_e on 2/8/13
If that is your logic, then nothing in the bible applies to Americans, Canadian, mexicans, or brazilians since nothing in the bible was addressed to them

In your logic, what applied to the church in Corinth does not apply to the church in Athens

Understand this: What is written by matthew, mark, Luke and John was not dictated, nor written by Jesus. It was written to the church, the BOC many years after the death fo Jesus, to encourage and strengthen US in OUR faith
---francis on 2/8/13


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Christ was speaking to his Apostles:

Ac5:15 Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and couches, that at the least the shadow of Peter passing by might overshadow some of them.

Again the Apostles:
Heb2:4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?
---trey on 2/8/13


Jesus never guarantees us that we will do "greater works", unless you think we have replaced Israel, and the 12 are our Apostles.
By reading John 13, it's clear Jesus was speaking to the His disciples, to Israel.
Where were the gentiles?
Eph 2: 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

Jesus was not speaking to us in Matt.Mk. Luke or Jn or the first part of Acts
---michael_e on 2/8/13


---kathr4453 on 2/8/13

very good post.
You are on point in all that you have posted in this blog
---francis on 2/8/13


Jesus didn't go into China, Africa, America, Australia...the Body of Christ did...We are His hands feet...and it is HIS POWER in us preaching the Gospel to the whole world. The Holy Spirit wasn't given to us until after He went to the Father...exactly 10 days after. What happened in that day...called Pentecost? I see they were filled with the Holy Spirit and did just that PREACH SALVATION. How many that day were added to the Church???? Some 3000?
---kathr4453 on 2/8/13


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2 Timothy 4:5

5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

It would be beneficial to read the book of Acts, and highlight the words THE WORK.

Actually do a word search on online bible KJV, for searching EXACT WORDS, using "the work". All point to,"the work " of evangelism.

Remember, scripture teaches scripture.
---kathr4453 on 2/7/13


It's not a matter of quantity as it is quality. Two proofs the existance of God throughout all of history are prophesy and miracles not just knowledge. Christians are told that they are able to do works greater than Jesus because God works through christians. This is how God is glorified. If you believe only in the number and have only the knowledge, you are limiting the true power of God - having only the knowledge of God, but denying his power. Today's christians certainly have the knowledge of God, but deny His power. If a person has God within, don't you think that miracles would come flowing out? If the apostles, being regular people, can perform miracles, why not you? Where is your faith?

Meditate on this verese: John 14:12-14
---Steveng on 2/7/13


Can anyone give at least 3 works the apostles did that were in fact GREATER than Jesus could do.
---kathr4453 on 2/7/13

You are looking at this all wrong.

The verse says "and greater works than these he will do, because I go to the Father"

Why will we do greater things: because Jesus goes to the Father. Jesus is discussing physical works. Works done here on Earth. Not forgeiveness or eternal salvation. Jesus could not have meant that because it would be a lie.

The statement is true. Anyone preaching to more than 5000 at one time qualifies as a greater work. Or preaching to more people in their entire lifetime is a greater work. Or anyone healing more people than Jesus is a greater work.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/7/13


There is no greater work done than Jesus dying for our sin. What Jesus gave to the apostles and to us today is the commission and authority to preach the gospel, which is the power of God unto salvation. The greater in quantity is in reference to the gospel. We can bring somebody immediately into a relationship with the Lord and they can have the Holy Spirit live in them, something that the disciples could not do at the time Jesus said this.

The greatest works/miracle of all is the forgivness of SIN, bringing NEW LIFE. WE have no authority to forgive sin. BUT we can bring one to the ONE who can!
---kathr4453 on 2/7/13


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Trey, so Jesus didn't Say, go ye into all nations and preach the gospel?

I guess one's perspective on this is if your calvin or not.

Can anyone give at least 3 works the apostles did that were in fact GREATER than Jesus could do.

Willie_c, yes, forgiveness is the greatest of WORKS....
---kathr4453 on 2/7/13


---trey on 2/6/13
Do you see a contradiction between

1 Corinthians 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

AND

Heb9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Isa63:5 And I looked, and there was none to help, and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me, and my fury, it upheld me.
---francis on 2/7/13


michael_e, I agree that Christ was speaking to the 12.

Kathr and francis,
Heb9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Please note: Christ obtained (past tense) eternal redemption for us.

Isa63:5 And I looked, and there was none to help, and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me, and my fury, it upheld me.

Christ finished the work of eternal salvation!
---trey on 2/6/13


\\He began the work of salvation\\

And He completed it, too.

Just what do you think the words, "It is finished" mean?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/6/13


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Yes, Kathr(ine?) (c:

And what about forgiveness?

Jesus says, "'And whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him, that your Father in heaven may also forgive you your trespasses.'" (Mark 11:25) And, at the end of Matthew 18:21-35, He says, "'So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses.'" (Matthew 18:35) So, I would say that Jesus considers it great to forgive someone from your heart of loving prayer for the person you forgive.

Possibly, then, Jesus considers forgiving in loving prayer to be a greater work than any of His physical miracles (c:
---willie_c: on 2/6/13


//we will do "greater works", than He has done //
I believe Jesus was speaking to the twelve, not the BoC
Rom 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
---michael_e on 2/6/13


wilie_c, notice it does not say greater miracles..but works.

He began the work of salvation in preaching the Gospel while on earth for His short years with us, and we His Body will continue that work while here on earth.
---kathr4453 on 2/6/13


Last I heard, JESUS is the only one who gets people saved.
---Cluny on 2/6/13
1 Corinthians 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
---francis on 2/6/13


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So, ones are saying that "greater works" can mean doing things for Jesus without seeing Him. I didn't think of this (c: Thank you (c: And now we have people preaching to more people than Jesus did.

By the way, Shira, Paul did say, "I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some." (see 1 Corinthians 9:19-23) So, Paul knew he was involved in saving people, and Paul does say "Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ." (1 Corinthians 11:1) So, I can see that Paul says that, in order to encourage us also to be involved in getting people saved > in oneness with Jesus > "one spirit with Him" (1 Corinthians 6:17) > Galatians 2:20.
---willie_c: on 2/6/13


\\the greater works Christ was talking about I believe is getting people saved and being a witness for Him. I can't swear to that but I believe that.
---shira4368 on 2/5/13\\

Last I heard, JESUS is the only one who gets people saved.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/6/13


When one reads John 14,15 & 16 in context, one will realize Christ was preparing the apostles for one great event that was prophesied by Joel which was to come - Pentecost Day.

As written in the book of Acts, there were indeed great miracles that were performed by His apostles, fulfilling Christ's prophesy of "...and greater works than these shall he do, because I go unto my Father." See the context?

There are no more signs and wonders today like those during Acts. If there were, what becomes of Christ's proclamation to Thomas, "...blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."
---christan on 2/6/13


Matthew 12:39
He answered, A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah."

"Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

"Greater works" is that without signs and miracles we can persuade others of the gospel. "A stumbling block for the Jew and foolishness to the Gentiles."
(1 Corinthians 1:23)

Hebrews 11:13
All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised, they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance.

John 20:29
Because you have seen me, you have believed, blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.
---born5844 on 2/6/13


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GREATER WORKS: Scripture magnifies His power more than anything. Christ going away would cause Him to send the Person of the Holy Spirit to earth, and therefore, His people has the power to do whatever, God tells us to do. Also, Christ were limited to a small geographical area and to a specific people. The disciples works would be worldwide in their reach and would affect all people....Johm 14:13>>IN MY NAME: This is prayer in agreement with the desires of Christ....John 14:15>>>LOVE: is not sentimental emotionalism, it is obedience to the commandments of God.
---pat on 2/6/13


the greater works Christ was talking about I believe is getting people saved and being a witness for Him. I can't swear to that but I believe that.
---shira4368 on 2/5/13


Billy Graham has preached to bigger crowds than Jesus
The gospel has gone further than Jesus took it in terms of territory
a pastor can preach a message and it can be sent around the world

Mat_10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.


Joh_16:16 A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.
Joh_5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him (even) greater works than these, that ye may marvel.

What went ye out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken with the wind?
Sorry!
---TheSeg on 2/5/13


God said narrow is the way and wide is the gate that leadeth to distruction. there are not millions of saved people but the ones who are saved will spend eternity with Jesus. there are no prophets today.
---shira4368 on 2/5/13


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cluny, I think Jesus preached to many. in the old testament thousands upon thousands are mentioned as a great army. we do have millions in population but we have much more crime, more wordly churches more drunks, more prostitutes, more gluttony and more of lost people that refuse to listen when someone tells them about Jesus. Washington has labeled us as outcast and our politicians are heretics including our president.
---shira4368 on 2/5/13


Now a pastor can preach a message and it can be sent around the world in an instant. Paul had to travel for days to reach his next church plant. Jesus never traveled more than 100 miles (give or take) from his home. Be greatful, don't get used to or normalize a move of God. This is very easy in a world with a church on every corner.
---Scott1 on 2/5/13


The gospel has gone further than Jesus took it in terms of territory

When Jesus died he had about 120 disciples, now his disciples number in the millions
---francis on 2/5/13


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