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What Is Church Discipline

I would like about church discipline, they must get up in church and ask forgiveness from the other members. having done this, the bible says God will restore us. Now what does restore mean? God restores but church don't?

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Shira4368, My late aunt she married 1st husband portuquese man.She later married american christian gentleman into real estate really nice.gentleman she was in her 50's & he died bout 23 years later. She lived to almost a 100. Had brain cancer. I am the only one cancer of jesus!
---ELENA on 2/19/13

Sis. Shira, I do not believe a person should have to go to the front of the Church and ask anyone for forgiveness in front of everyone. I do not believe any Church I have attended does that. If a person sins against another, we should go to God first and ask forgiveness, then go to the individual and ask for his or her forgiveness. If someone does not forgive you, it becomes their problem not to forgive, but you have become right before God to do what you were suppose to do. Many will not forgive and so it dwells on them until they are able to forgive. Some never do and die not forgiving. When that happens, many in their family many times suffer.
---Mark_V. on 2/19/13

elena, my husband got saved 4 years before he passed away in 07. I have not pursued any relationship. I am content to staying alone. I keep busy making jewelry and art. God bless you
---shira4368 on 2/18/13

Wow! I just read your post about your husband you prayed for long time before got saved 4 years ago! My sister you are a precious jewel in the eyes of God! And anybody eyes! Now, I DO believe there are GOOD men out here, my problem guess..the way I was raised, nobody talk to me much. It bad when you nobody to help you talk about things like that. So, never found true love. Never. So, resign myself be alone. Being sick, no one going to care. I am happy, God has blessed me do all.I am able. That is a real blessing!
Thankyou for sharing! Really special.
---ELENA on 2/17/13

elena, wouldn't it be great if men loved their wives as God loves the church. the bible does not tell the wife to love her husband but it tells wives to obey their husbands. that scripture bothers me at times but I know God said it and I believe it. I still believe a wife should love her husband unconditionally. if he isn't saved, pray for him. I prayed for mine over 40 years but he got saved 4 years before he passed away. best 4 yrs I ever lived.
---shira4368 on 2/16/13

Hello,Sis.Shira4368, reading your text remind me been years ago.A sister her husband(deacon) beat her often she tried hide bruises,scars - he broke her arm! a sister saw it!
she broke down cry & beg this sister "please don't tell anyone!! She told Pastor
so, Pastor talk to him
"she's my wife, can Do as I please!' Refused & was ex- communicated.
Eph.5:25Husbands love your wives,even as Christ also loved the church,and gave himself for it,
Eph.5:28. Eph.5:33.

---ELENA on 2/16/13

pat the person responsible for churh discipline is the pastor. I know of one such case when a young man left his wife and moved in with his girl friend. the pastor and 2 of the deacons went to see him to council with him and he told them to go jump off a mountain. the pastor got up in chuch and the whole church voted to end fellowship with him. all of this is biblical. we are not talking about every little sin, we are talking about a blatant sin against the church, against God and against his wife and family.
---shira4368 on 2/15/13

aaron, said a mouth-full. Who in the churches today qualifies to discipline anyone? Between 60% and perhaps as high as 90% of church members are lost. Only a few preachers are saved. God is choosy Satan is not.
---pat on 2/15/13

Perhaps. Who cares? As long as God does....Because our obedience to God is never perfect in this life, we continually depend on His forgiveness for our sins. Confession of sins is a must in order for God to "forgive us" in restoring His day-by-day relationship with us....Confess your sins to others, only if you are called into it, and only to trusted Christians. Remember I said to trusted Christians, unless you wish to be on the 6:30 news. THE MEDIA LOVES TO GOSSIP, AND PUT GOD IN A BAD LIGHT. Come on Jesus+++
---pat on 2/13/13

scott, I don't know the details because I don't ask questions very often. guess it isn't necessary for the church to know. thanks for your comment.
---shira4368 on 2/13/13

---shira4368 on 2/12/13

Not knowing the details and not wanting to. It shows how easy it is to be "biblical" in words (aka the Pharisees) but not in practice. I am guilty also.
---Scott1 on 2/13/13

scott, what you described is biblical. the reason I ask, I know a young couple who was married in recent months. they did something that was not right and the pastor counceled them and they got up in church and apologized but pastor wouldn't let the ladies of the church give her a wedding shower. I don't see restoration with this.
---shira4368 on 2/12/13

Sis Shira, there is many things churches do that we can not understand. They do not work to our rules. You said,
I know such a church but I have wondered why the church don't forgive. they say they have forgiven but the person isn't restored like God's Word teaches."

you will keep wondering unless they tell you the reason, if you ask. They might not want to tell you. Many rules and traditions entered the Church right after Pentacost. Sinners will always try to corrupt the Word of God. When the first Universal Church was created, more powerful traditions entered the Church.
---Mark_V. on 2/12/13

Who is in the position to discipline? .
---aaron on 2/10/13

1 Corinthians 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,

1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

here again we see that discipline is not in the power of any one person, or any board, and any group. Discipline is in the hands of the entire congregation and church
---francis on 2/12/13

scott, I know all that but my problem is with a church not restoring a person who has sinned against the church. I know such a church but I have wondered why the church don't forgive. they say they have forgiven but the person isn't restored like God's Word teaches.
---shira4368 on 2/11/13

---Scott1 on 2/11/13

---francis on 2/11/13

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The church is about fellowship and community. When a brother/sister sins and refuses to confess or admit that he/she has sinned and continues to live in that sin there are consquences. The ultimate consquence is separation from the fellowship of the church body, not separation from God. Due to the separation from the church body that person can then be restored by God's grace so that they can again serve, fellowship, and community in the body of believers.
---Scott1 on 2/11/13

Who is in the position to discipline? .
---aaron on 2/10/13

Matthew 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell [it] unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

the church as a body ( congregation)disciplines. Not the pastor, not the deacon, not the elder

THE CHURCH has this responsibility

1 Corinthians 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

1 Corinthians 6:4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church
---francis on 2/11/13

Good point bro.Arron, with all respect sure do remember too well, whole situation mass suicide Jim.jones taylored to hurt , kill too many familes.Then killed himself!" Rom1:18-22. 1Tim.4:1 2Tim3:1-5.
Titus1:16They claim to know God,but by their actions they deny him.

It is a lesson to be learned! That may be why people ( most) tell you read the bible yourself,don't trust just on what listening,search, know ourselves jn5:9,
---ELENA on 2/11/13

aaron, jim jones to begin with is most definitely no Christian. His is a definition of what a cult is. So don't confuse yourself with Christianity and cults.
---christan on 2/11/13

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galatians 6:1 brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of weakness, considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. my question was how far should a church go to restore such a one?
---shira4368 on 2/11/13

Church discipline reminds me of Jim Jones of Jonestown. They did church discipline. Along with that, they later had the largest mass suicide in recent church history. Who is in the position to discipline? Let he without sin, be first to discipline. Let the ones with boards in their eyes remove the speck from others. Where we point, do we not also break? I do not like the idea of going up front. It is more against God that we sin as we are breaking his commands. One on one is better. But if one and one does not work when tried, then the elders might be notified.
---aaron on 2/10/13

--christan on 2/10/13

If you think that people cannot forsake God and return then you have never read the bible

From Judges to Malachi, is the story of God going after people who had forsaken him for other gods

Judges 10:10 And the children of Israel cried unto the LORD, saying, We have sinned against thee, both because we have forsaken our God, and also served Baalim.

Judges 10:13 Yet ye have forsaken me, and served other gods: wherefore I will deliver you no more.

Judges 10:16 And they put away the strange gods from among them, and served the LORD: and his soul was grieved for the misery of Israel.
---francis on 2/10/13

"are you saying that once you apostatize, you cannot return to God?" francis

My advice to you is to seriously read and pray to God to give you the true understanding of Hebrews 6:1-6. Because it says what it says with regards to your question to me.

The very fact that one can "forsake" the Lord and "fall away" is testimony that they were never even saved by the grace of god to begin with. How can one who's saved by God's grace end up "forsaking" Him?

"God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord." It's a promise and the work of God for the Christian to be in Christ, not the work of man.
---christan on 2/10/13

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Here are the verses, that I found re: open rebuke. I have never seen fallen pastors rebuked,twice have seen members rebuked openly.
1Tim.5:20Them tbat sin rebuke before all, that others may fear.Pro.27:5,Rev.3:9,2Tim.4:2.
---ELENA on 2/10/13

--christan on 2/10/13
I need to understand you clearly

are you saying that once you apostatize, you cannot return to God?
---francis on 2/10/13

"You will have to take bible lessons again on: You may have to be baptized again" francis

What? Maybe you should have read the following verses of Hebrews 6:3-6, "And this will we do, if God permit. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance, seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame."

You teach contrary to what is written! Isn't that lying?
---christan on 2/10/13

1: A believer must be willing to accept it

2: Matthew 18:17 if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

3:1 Cor 5:5 deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. Your membership can be suspended

4: 1 Timothy 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

If you leave the church, ( APOSTATIZE) you cannot return to the fold as if nothing happened: You will have to take bible lessons again on:
Hebrews 6:1 repentance, faith toward God, baptisms, laying on of hands, resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

You may have to be baptized again
---francis on 2/9/13

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Family, I know maybe this not maybe will be accepted but, from my own experience like one pastor who was very honest & always frank his wife gave people hard time
Pastors he told us have struggles, he told us talk to God .
Years ago, saw a young woman the Pastor made her cry & ask forgiveness to the church
She was pregnant/ not married.

---ELENA on 2/9/13

pat, sorry to tell you but your assessment is not according to biblical teachings. I was trying to get an answer to my frustration concerning restoration. yes, there are gossipers in all churches. I watched one church ruin a pastor and he ended up dying from the stress. of course, when my sweet pastor left, I left also. I won't be a part of such. the people who hurt him has to face God in judgement. churches are struggling.
---shira4368 on 2/9/13

In the first place, the churches of today, the buildings, are fill with gossipers. Go to God and confess, He won't tell nobody about your great sins. People may walk out feeling better about themselves than they ought to, if they knew what you done.
---pat on 2/9/13

Shira...Pastors know a lot more about people in their church than they need to tell you. Confidentialty is much more important than telling nosey people everything. A good habit that Christians need to form is to trust their pastor's decision on other people's personal matters. It is good that a pastor is careful who he marries with divorce statistics so high.
---KarenD on 2/9/13

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shira, I have no idea why that pastor would not preside over the renewal of this couple's vows.

Did you try asking him yourself? Did he give a reason to the couple involved?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/9/13

shira, your understanding of "restoration" is in a mess. The "restoration" of the sinner is 100% the work of God, not man! Unless you can get pass this, you're going to be confused.

The man CANNOT "restore" himself and that's basically because he's "dead in trespass and sins". How does a "dead" man make himself alive to God unless God regenerates him, ie make the sinner "born of the Spirit"?

There was a reason why Christ declared "It is finished." before He gave up His spirit at Calvary. His mission of "restoring" (aka atonement) the sinner (only His elect) was done and complete.
---christan on 2/9/13

Sis. Shira, you are asking about church discipline. And many churches have different rules they go by for their members. Not every church has the same rules or traditions, not even the same interpretations of Scripture. So it is hard to speculate what one does compare to another. If everyone went by the Word of God we would not have those divisions.
---Mark_V. on 2/9/13

Christian, part of restoration is confess your sins. yes, God forgives sin but my question is if God forgives and you are restored to fellowship, why does some churches don't restore? that is my question. I know God forgives but part of church discipline is confession to the church.
---shira4368 on 2/8/13

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\\I was in a church once who diciplined a couple. they apologized to the church but now they want to redo their marriage vows and the pastor of that church said no. \\

Their vows still hold. It is not necessary to renew them.

But to tell the whole story here is unnecessary. It could simply become a gossip fest.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/8/13

God Almighty does not restore the sinner on the account of you asking "forgiveness from the other members"!

Scripture explicitly declares, "But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon Him, and with His stripes we are healed."

The sinner is only "restored" (made righteous before God) on the account of Christ's blood sacrifice at Calvary through the justification by faith in Him.

If a sinner can be restored by simply asking "forgiveness from the other members", what becomes of the Christian faith in Jesus Christ's? By your understanding, even the Muslims and other religions should go to heaven.
---christan on 2/8/13

cluny thanks for the post. I ask that for a specfic reason. I was in a church once who diciplined a couple. they apologized to the church but now they want to redo their marriage vows and the pastor of that church said no. why does God forgive but men don't. they have been restored by God but not by their church.
---shira4368 on 2/8/13

In ancient times, PUBLIC sin or apostasy had to be publicly confessed in the church.

The restoration talked about here is restoration to VISIBLE and full fellowship with the local church. This would come after a period of fasting or abstinence of a greater or lesser extent. At the end of this period, the individual was restored to full fellowship, including being able to receive Communion.

This subject is too deep for a mere 125 words, especially to people who have NO idea about Church history.

Suffice it to say books have been written on the subject.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/7/13

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