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christan:

Just because you seem to hold in contempt many of those who gave up their lives because of their witness for Christ, is no reason why you should force anyone else to likewise hold them in contempt. Are you capable of ever saying anything positive about anyone? I have yet to see it.
---StrongAxe on 2/23/13


\\But enough of this as you have rightly declared. Keep you Valentine's day if it pleases you\\

But I DON"T, and I never said i did.

||And the names of Valentine and many other Valentine comes to your mind? Ya right! ||

Ignatius, Polycarpos, Nina, Elizabeth of Moscow, the child Alexis are other martyrs that come immediately to mind.

Deal with it.

\\May your Valentine be with you.\\

And may we be with him praising Father, Son, and Holy Spirit eternally in heaven.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/22/13


"Jesus said, "He denies me before men I will deny before My Father in heaven." He also mentioned those giving up their lives for His sake." Cluny

And the names of Valentine and many other Valentine comes to your mind? Ya right! I'm sure it's within your faith to also pray to your Valentines.

But enough of this as you have rightly declared. Keep you Valentine's day if it pleases you. I too have important things to spend my energy on.

May your Valentine be with you.
---christan on 2/22/13


christan:

Matthew 5:11
"Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake."

John 15:13-21
"13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."
"20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you, ..."


Unbelievers celebarate Christmas. Does this make Christ a fraud? It would if we follow the same logic you just used about Valentine.

Why can't you just accept that many Christians before Protestantism gave up their lives for Christ? What makes it so hard for you to accept this?
---StrongAxe on 2/22/13


christan, if you refuse to believe that there was a martyr for Christ named Valentine, which is supported by historical evidence and ancient records, I will not argue the issue with you.

If somehow it makes you feel spiritually superior to deny this, go right ahead.

I have more important things to spend my energy on now.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/22/13




\\Cluny, did Jesus Christ demand the sinner shed their blood for Him like He did for His people?\\

Jesus said, "He denies me before men I will deny before My Father in heaven." He also mentioned those giving up their lives for His sake.

And St. Paul said, "You have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin."

I know I have not, and I really doubt that you have, christan.

But I know that MANY people through the centuries, including several people named Valentine, have shed their blood for the Savior. You are not worthy to criticize them.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/21/13


Cluny, did Jesus Christ demand the sinner shed their blood for Him like He did for His people? You are obviously more man-centred as far as the Truth of the Gospel is concerned.

Instead of teaching the doctrines of the Holy Bible, you bring forth this man no one but the Romish worship into the forefront of Jesus Christ and make him out to be a "defender of the Christian faith", doing what? And then proceed to prance around in honoring him with a day call Valentine's Day, which pagans and unbelievers also celebrate. Such is your hypocrisy that it stinks to high heaven.

It would have been better for you to sign-off as "Glory to Valentine!"
---christan on 2/21/13


christan, what have you done for Jesus besides making yourself obnoxious in His holy name? You certainly have not shed your blood for Jesus unto death like the Martyr Valentine did. Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/21/13


"YOU were the first one to use the two in the same sentence. I was just following your form. I'm sorry you feel that is bad form, as you used it yourself." JamesL

If you are referring to the thief on the cross, it's a stated fact from the Holy Bible, period. If it's not about the thief on the cross, then show me where "YOU were the first one to use the two in the same sentence."

I do not hold your person of Valentine in contempt, but I rather hold what you are saying whom in today's context is associated with Valentine's Day and that it's alright for a Christian to merry in this festival. That, I hold in contempt of the Truth. Know the difference.
---christan on 2/21/13


christan:

You said: Do not associate praising Jesus Christ in the same breath with this Valentine you hold so dear to your heart.

1) YOU were the first one to use the two in the same sentence. I was just following your form. I'm sorry you feel that is bad form, as you used it yourself.

2) Valentine was a Christian martyr who gave up his life for his faith in Christ. I am sorry you hold such people in such great contempt. I'm sure Saul would have loved you before his Damascus Road conversion.
---StrongAxe on 2/21/13




" Why do YOU spend so much time vilifying Valentine instead of praising Jesus?" StrongAxe

Do not associate praising Jesus Christ in the same breath with this Valentine you hold so dear to your heart. You are still trying to wedgie and justify that this Valentine has something to do with the Lord Jesus Christ, which I'm sure it has nothing to do with Christianity whatsoever.

I too was a RC but by the merciful grace of God, I'll gladly testify now that the RC is most definitely not Christian at all! The RC is nothing but wolves in sheep clothing. As for your question above: "I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images." Isaiah 42:8
---christan on 2/21/13


christan:

I was raised Catholic, but find several things the Catholics teach to be incompatbile with biblical Christianity (as I see it), so I am not now a Catholic.

Still, the majority of the world's Christians before the Reformation were Catholics. so Would you dismiss them all just because you disagree with their theology? The Pharisees would do this. Jesus did not in Matthew 25. As odious as you may find that passage, it IS part of what jesus taught, so you must either embrace it, or choke on it.

The reason we defend Valentine here is that is the TOPIC OF THIS BLOG. There are other blogs for discussing Jesus. Why do YOU spend so much time vilifying Valentine instead of praising Jesus?
---StrongAxe on 2/20/13


\\Cluny, you stand in defense of this Valentine like your life depended on him.\\

The real question, christan, is why are you attacking him and his witness for Christ? You do so like your salvation depended on your slandering and denigrating him.

**Idea of many men named Valentine who were martyred as the now "real reason" for Valentines day is a lie.**

You will NEVER be able to disprove their existence. But if it makes you feel good to ignore history and say there were never any Christian martyrs named Valentine, why you just go right ahead.

Glory to Jesus Christ!

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Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/20/13


\\Ah... spoken like a true RC - a works monger\\

Guess what, christan?

StrongAxe is neither a Roman Catholic nor is he Orthodox!

Of course, I find your hermeneutical principle weird if you think that quoting the words of our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ as recorded in the Holy Gospels mean one is a Roman Catholic.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/19/13


"Note that the Matthew 25 final judgment doesn't judge people by their theology, but by how they treat others." StrongAxe

Ah... spoken like a true RC - a works monger. I assure you that only a sinner that's saved by the grace of God through faith in Christ will be going to heaven. Not because of "how they treat others"!

By your token, the thief on the cross next to Christ should be burning in Hades. But too bad for your "how they treat others" theory that Christ promised he will be in Paradise with Him. And mind you, he was hung next to Christ because he was a THIEF! How does a thief "treat others"?

Btw, Matthew 25 teaches about God's elect and reprobates.
---christan on 2/19/13


Cluny, you stand in defense of this Valentine like your life depended on him.

Put "your money where your mouth is" if you're a Christian - how about standing in defense of the Lord Jesus Christ, that He was the lamb brought to the slaughter - though He was sinless and innocent. He was hung on that cursed tree at Calvary for the sake of His people that they may have eternal life. Did Christ deserve what He received? And you want to talk about "martyrdom"?

Adam deserved what He got from God and that's because he was disobedient. Christ submitted to the will of the Father so that His people will be saved from the curse of the law. Who received the short end of the stick?

Go reflect on this!
---christan on 2/19/13


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pagan origins of Valentines Day and its connection to two sexually perverted pagan festivals: Lupercalia and Juno Februata both celebrated in the month now known as February with same customs. Idea of many men named Valentine who were martyred as the now "real reason" for Valentines day is a lie.

All throughout OT God describes heathens as those who worship anything other than Him (including another man). Nowhere in holy scripture is another man worshiped on any day, year after year.

God warned you cannot take an evil thing and make it holy, believe Gods written word and seek Him.

Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness, and all these things shall be added unto you.
---Follower_of_Christ on 2/19/13


christan:

Note that the Matthew 25 final judgment doesn't judge people by their theology, but by how they treat others. In particualar, many who said they did powerful works in Jesus's name, Jesus nevertheless disowned them. So let's drop judging others by theology for a moment.

He was someone who died in the first few centuries, under the Caesars - long before "The Roman Catholic church" existed. Leading people to Christ, and being killed for refusing to renounce Christ - are these evil wicked things? If so, you need a serious re-education as to what a Christian is - or you need to seriously read some history, instead of just disrespecting Christians who lived before you, just because you don't know them personally.
---StrongAxe on 2/19/13


\\Cluny, Valentine is a martyr? Says who? You or the Bible?\\

Valentine lived several centuries after the Bible was written. So what? Who says the age of martyrdom ended 2000 years ago? It must be you, because the BIBLE doesn't say so.

To say that the age of martyrdom ended with the martyrdom of the last Apostle is to insult the hundreds of Christians being killed by the mahometans because of their faith RIGHT AT THIS MINUTE!

And this says NOTHING about the millions of martyrs for Christ over the last 2000 years, including those under the Communists in the 20th century.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/19/13


Are we Jehovah Witness? These do not celebrate holidays. They do not celebrate birthdays and only once a year is there a supposed Lord's Supper but none eat or drink. To them, there are no special days and every day is just another day. Why not celebrate Valentine? It is a martyr's story. Life is dry without holidays. People need holidays.
---Bike on 2/19/13


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StrongAxe, you want me to believe that this Valentine (who's not even worth being mentioned in the same breath as the apostles of Christ) is a martyr? That he died defending the faith? What faith? The Roman Catholic faith? Seriously?

To begin with, here's some cold water for your thought: the RC is nothing but pagans using the name of the Lord Jesus Christ in vain, period. Your christ is not my Christ. Your christ is nothing but a wafer, which you have to "eat" to have your sins forgiven.

My Christ paid for it once and for all when He went to Calvary. That's why He tells us "It is finished". Your christ hasn't finish anything, that's why he's being sacrificed everyday other day. See the difference?
---christan on 2/18/13


christan:

A "martyr" is someone who dies defending the faith. Valentine was a historical figure who did that. Do you want it simpler? Or do you disregard all history that isn't in the Bible as being "wordly", and therefore not true?

As Cluny pointed out earlier, Mary was told all generations would call her blessed. This specifically contradicts your assertion that "we are supposed to witness to Jesus Christ period".

You said: your desire to witness a sinner precedes that of Jesus Christ

Strange, as he says "Glory to Jesus Christ" on EVERY blog posting, but only speaks of Valentine on this particular blog. Can you count?
---StrongAxe on 2/18/13


Cluny, Valentine is a martyr? Says who? You or the Bible? Most definitely not the Bible I assure you. No where in the Bible are we commanded to witness anyone but the Lord Jesus Christ, period. See the contradiction of your conviction?

And talk about distinction, your desire to witness a sinner precedes that of Jesus Christ, which demonstrates your love for Christ is non-existent. Do not fool yourself that just because you sign-off "Glory to Jesus Christ", I am convince you're a Christian. Far be from it!

Jesus declared "This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me."
---christan on 2/18/13


christan, please tell us, citing book, chapter, and verse, where the Bible forbids us to give thanks to God for the life and witness of the martyr Valentine.
---Cluny on 2/18/13

That would have been acceptable if it were not for the fact that this feast Lupercalia to the god faunus had not predated valantine's day.

There are two feasts that come to mind from the bible: Purim, and feast of lights.
Those are original feast giving thanks to God for what He did, and these two were not ordained by God.

valantine's day, easter, christmas, and lent are all attempts to christianize paganism
---francis on 2/18/13


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christan, please tell us, citing book, chapter, and verse, where the Bible forbids us to give thanks to God for the life and witness of the martyr Valentine.

Keep in mind I'm not talking about sending cards, gifts, or other tokens to the object of one's affections or other such social and cultural customs. That's an entirely different issue, though you probably can't make the distinction.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/18/13


StrongAxe, what has using the grocery stores and cars and internet to do with a Christian faith in Jesus Christ? Your comparison to things that we use in our daily lives that God has so graciously provided really exposes your spiritual blindness to the Word of God.

We are discussing about festivals that so-called false christians claim it has to do with Jesus Christ. So, please stick to the topic. Going off the real issue is precisely the work of the serpent especially when he wants you distracted from the Truth. So he does what he was created to do, DECEIVE & LIE!
---christan on 2/17/13


I wonder how many people--Christian or otherwise--worship Faunus on 14 February?

I know I never have.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/17/13


\\Isn't Christmas [sic--should be "Aren't"] and Valentine's Day widely celebrated by unbelievers in the world? \\

Yes. So is Thanksgiving Day, where thanks for God's blessings has been turned into an orgy of gluttony and family strife by too many.

But they were celebrated by BELIEVERS first.

I will not not let unbelievers steal my occasions of joy just because the misuse them and even mock them. (BTW, St. Valentine's Day means nothing to me as a social or romantic custom.)

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/17/13


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---StrongAxe on 2/16/13

The God is Faunus
---francis on 2/17/13


christan:

Many non-Christians also use grocery stores and cars and the internet. Therefore, you should run away from all of these at all speed! At least, you should if you believe what you just wrote.

Also, if you carefully read what I wrote in this (and related blogs), I never once said that I personally endorse St. valentine's day. I never specified my own opinion on this, either positive or negative, since my own opinion (and others) are all irrelevant. What matters is what the Bible says or does not say on the subject. I only address THAT issue.
---StrongAxe on 2/17/13


"The question here is not if someone NEEDS something, but if it's forbidden." StrongAxe

More of your ignorance of the Word is being displayed. Have you not read:

"Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world." 1 John 2:15,16

Isn't Christmas and Valentine's Day widely celebrated by unbelievers in the world? Talk to them about Christ and they'll reject you! And you want to be a part of it? You're not a Christian!
---christan on 2/16/13


The first statues in the church were not of Peter, they were of Romans gods. The famous Mary and Jesus painting predated the birth of Jesus, Weeping for Tammuz predated Lent, worshiping Tammuz whose birth date is December 25th predated Christmas, worshiping the Queen of Heaven predate the easter.


To make people comfortable with paganism, the church tried to rename pagan feasts.

Deuteronomy 12:30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee, and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.
---francis on 2/16/13


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francis:

You keep quoting scripture after scripture that condemn strange gods. We all get that and don't dispute it. Yet you have NOT YET EVEN ONCE provided any evidence that celebrating St. Valentine's day does, in fact, ACTUALLY invoke any such strange gods. St. Valentine was not a strange god. Hw was NOT ANY KIND OF GOD AT ALL. He was, rather, a Christian martyr.

Cluny already provided a precedent that showed clearly that it is acceptable for future generations to commemorate the good deeds of a good person (i.e. "all generations will call you blessed" to Mary). So, again, what's wrong with celebrating the good deeds of a good person?
---StrongAxe on 2/16/13


---StrongAxe on 2/16/13
Deuteronomy 32:16 They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger. They sacrificed unto devils, not to God, to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.


1 Cor 10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.

It does not matter what the name of their gods were. If it was not to Jehovah, it is to devils
---francis on 2/16/13


francis:

You said: ...thou enquire not after their gods...

I ask yet again:

Just WHICH "pagan gods" does recognizing St. Valentine worship? And how many people have burned their daughters to him? inquiring minds want to know!


christan:

You asked: And again, if you're a Christian - why do you need to celebrate birthdays?

The question here is not if someone NEEDS something, but if it's forbidden. To be precise, nobody NEEDS blogs either. So why use them? Yet you seem to have no problem with THIS thing that we don't NEED - why question the other? you must have some different reason.
---StrongAxe on 2/16/13


Oh for crying out loud, Christian, you can't be serious. Celebrating birthdays is pagan? Dear goodness. You're hopeless.
---Jed on 2/16/13


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Deuteronomy 12:29 When the LORD thy God shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land,

Deuteronomy 12:30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee, and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.

Deuteronomy 12:31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods, for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.

NO PAGAN FEAST FOR CHRISTIANS
---francis on 2/15/13


Jed, if anyone's missing the target, it's you. Your ignorance of what the Bible declares to all man is clearly demonstrated by your comment, "Just because something is not mentioned or commanded in the Bible doesn't mean that doing it is a sin."

And again, if you're a Christian - why do you need to celebrate birthdays? Isn't a form of self-exaltation and paganism? Especially when you say "make a wish"? Yes, I don't do birthdays. Are you going to say it's not mentioned in the Bible to not celebrate birthday? You had better read the Scripture carefully then.

There are two birthday celebrations mentioned, and they were that of pagan kings. Even cakes with candles on them are mentioned, also pagan.
---christan on 2/15/13


Christian, you are the one who is missing the point. Just because something is not mentioned or commanded in the Bible doesn't mean that doing it is a sin. As long as it is not prohibited in the Bible then there is no reason why it would be wrong. Let me ask you a question, are you also against remembering birthdays? I feel so sorry for your wife and children (if you have any) that you don't celebrate their birthdays.
---Jed on 2/15/13


StrongAxe, I'm sure you're a true blue RC. Let me ask you this, in your temple of worship - why are there statues of so-called "saints" placed at strategic locations?

You cannot tell there's a similarity to bowing before these statues and praying to them to one who owns and drive a car or surf the internet. Your "conclusion is absurd" to say the least. Remember what you said? "Reductio Ad Absurdum - showing an idea is absurd by showing it leads to absurd conclusions."

So, what's the difference to what you have in the RC temple of worship to that of the buddhist and hindu temples? They all have idols in the form of statues that people pray to! Isn't this a union of one spirit?
---christan on 2/15/13


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StrongAxe and Jed, you trying to draw a parallel between cars, internet and St Valentine's Day is seriously out of whacked.

Here's why, do I say make a special day for a car or internet that we may honor it? These are useful products which by God's providence has given us that we may make our lives easier in getting from one place to another or reading and getting information.

You tell me, what good is your St Valentine's Day but to falsely claim that you should share your "love" with someone on a particular day of the year? Did Jesus say He love His people on a particular day or for all eternity? That's the deception! And if you claim to be a Christian, why even defend it?
---christan on 2/14/13


Christian, no one is worshiping Valentine. Do you look up to Moses or Abraham? Because they too were sinners. But remembering them and honoring them for the good they did is not the same as worshiping them. The Bible says that even God shows honor to certain people who honor him. Certainly you do not think God is worshiping these people?
---Jed on 2/14/13


christan:

No, there isn't a scripture that says we should celebrate Valentine's day. So what? No scripture commands use of cars or internet either.

You yourself claimed the REASON we shouldn't celebrate Valentine's day was because the Bible itself doesn't command it. YOU brought up the idea, implying "the Bible doesn't say we should do it. Therefore, we shouldn't.". If that concept is valid, it means you shouldn't use cars, internet, etc.

Nobody says we shouldn't use these things. We just say that, IF WHAT YOU SAY IS TRUE, we shouldn't use these things. This is the logical method known as Reductio Ad Absurdum - showing an idea is absurd by showing it leads to absurd conclusions.
---StrongAxe on 2/14/13


"can you show me in scripture where we are instructed to drive cars? Or use the toilet? Can you show me where we are instructed to go shopping at the mall?" Jed

And you see a similarity in doing what you mentioned above in our daily lives to making a sinner into a special day of celebration, like say, St Valentine's Day or that Christ was born on Christmas Day?

Where's your understanding in worshiping God in Spirit and in truth to the daily things He has graciously provided for us to make our live a little easier like transporting your children to school during winter in a car, or a toilet that flushes away your pooh?

You can't even discern between God's wonderful providence to false worshiping!
---christan on 2/14/13


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"If true, you should get off the internet, throw away your computer, and disconnect your electricity." StrongAxe

What I have written to Jed applies to you too.

And I'm still waiting for you to show me the Scripture or any, that we should turn a day specially to honor a sinner and call it like say, St Valentine's Day or even St Patrick's Day. Such practices goes way back to the Greeks who were the true pagans or all pagans, who were following their Babylonian forefathers.

You stand in defense of such practices clearly demonstrate you're nothing but a pagan pretending to be a Christian - just like the Vatican. You can fool mankind but you ain't going to fool God.
---christan on 2/14/13


I don't know the history of this! However, I see nothing wrong with participating. Lets remember please. Jesus did not die so we can have religion, but so we, God's people, can have a right relationship with the father, through His Son's Blood. Hallelujah
---pat on 2/13/13


\\And I don't mean the cute little cupids seen on all the greeting cards - those are just inventions of the greeting card and gift industries\\

The technical name for these is "putti". They've been a figure in art since ancient times.

Actually, the historic pagan Cupid, son of Venus, was an eternal teenager, with his quiver of both bitter and fulfilling love.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/13/13


christan:

Adding "Thou shalt not do anything not explicitly mentioned in the Bible" is adding a new rule that the Bible itself does not mention - i.e. a manmade law.

If true, you should get off the internet, throw away your computer, and disconnect your electricity.

You said: And if you can't, then that's the definition of what pagan is all about.

No. A dictionary defines "pagan" as polythestic, non-Christian, irreligious, hedonistic.

You erroneously infer my allegiance to St. Valentine. I did not say I endorse it, I was just questioning your logic.
---StrongAxe on 2/13/13


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The Bible doesn't tell us what we are allowed to do. It tells us what we are not allowed to do, and certain things that we must do.
---Jed on 2/13/13

I take exception to this statement.

While the NT has statements such as "do not be drunk" and "abstain from sexual immorality" there are more statements on HOW to live our life.

Romans 12 has these suggestions:

- Love from the center of who you are, dont fake it.
- Run for dear life from evil
- Be good friends who love deeply
- Dont quit in hard times
- Laugh with your happy friends when theyre happy
- Make friends with nobodies
- Discover beauty in everyone
- Get along with everybody
- Dont let evil get the best of you
---Mark_Eaton on 2/13/13


Not the way the world does, Cliff.

But can it be Christian to celebrate a person and what a person has done? Matthew 26:6-13 > The woman poured fragrant oil on Jesus, "for My burial," He said, and He says, "'Assuredly, I say to you, wherever this gospel is preached in the whole world, what this woman has done will also be told as a memorial to her.'"

Now this has been told, like Jesus guarantees, here in Christianet where we have preached the Gospel (c: So, I see that Jesus believes in celebrating what she has done (c:
---willie_c: on 2/13/13


Jed, I'm with you on that!
---1st_cliff on 2/13/13


Christian, can you show me in scripture where we are instructed to drive cars? Or use the toilet? Can you show me where we are instructed to go shopping at the mall?

You try to make is out as if doing anything that is not specifically instructed in the Bible is pagan and a sin. To sin, you must do one of two things: 1) do something that we are directly told not to do, 2) not do something that we are specifically instructed to do. Doing something that is not mentioned in the Bible is not a sin. We do all kinds of things in everyday living that are not specifically mentioned in the Bible. The Bible doesn't tell us what we are allowed to do. It tells us what we are not allowed to do, and certain things that we must do.
---Jed on 2/13/13


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"Can you please elaborate just WHICH "pagan gods" are worshipped on St. Valentine's Day?" StrongAxe

Betters till, I would suggest you show me where in the Holy Scriptures we are instructed to turn a man (who's a sinner before God) into a day of "celebration" in their honor like this St Valentine you seem to have allegiance to. And if you can't, then that's the definition of what pagan is all about.
---christan on 2/12/13


St. Valentine's Day is what remains of Lupercalia, an early spring purification rite in which the priests would run through the streets with whips made from strips of goatskin. With these whips they would strike women, insuring them of fertility for the coming year. Matchmaking between young people would occur later in the day by random selection of names. The goatskin whips evolved into little arrows shot by Cupid, and matchmaking today occurs through the more purposeful exchange of Valentine cards.
---francis on 2/12/13


christan:

Can you please elaborate just WHICH "pagan gods" are worshipped on St. Valentine's Day? And I don't mean the cute little cupids seen on all the greeting cards - those are just inventions of the greeting card and gift industries, just as red-suited Santa and green-suited Elves are.
---StrongAxe on 2/11/13


Celebrating a gift (spouse)God has given you to love and uplift. How horrible (sarcasm). The institute of marriage something God uses over and over again as analogy of his love for us should be celebrated.
---Scott1 on 2/11/13


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"I receive not honour from men. But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?"
John 5:43-44
---christan on 2/11/13


1st Cliff, there are several martyrs named Valentine on the usual Byzantine Calendar, one of whom is 6 July. He is a minor commemoration.

NONE of them are the one the Western Calendar has on 14 Feb.

If there are Orthodox who buy their special others gifts and things for 14 Feb, they do so as a SOCIAL custom. It has NEVER been a religious custom in either East or West.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/11/13


Cluny, Do the Orthodox hold July 6 as St.Valenine's day?
---1st_cliff on 2/11/13


St. Valentine was a martyred presbyter of Rome who lay down his life for Christ, as someone else here has already mentioned.

The calendar date was 14 February.

How he became associated with affection, love, and even romance, I don't know.

However, when I was growing up, 14 Feb was always called SAINT Valentine's day, not just simply "Valentine's day."

I guess soon 17 March will be eroded to "Paddy's Day."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/10/13


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"Valentine's Day is about showing love & affection towards others. 1 John 4 says God is Love & the Bible says we're to show love towards one another." Leon

1 John 4 "encourages" you to celebrate Valentine's Day - which is a pagan festival? What kind of love are you teaching? The love of fallen nature of mankind that's rooted in sin OR the love of God which is rooted in His Holiness?

"Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: FOR I THE LORD THY GOD AM A JEALOUS GOD, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me, And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments."
---christan on 2/10/13


If you're not a child of God, why not? After all, what's another pagan festival if you are already participating in say christmas, or the many other festivities of this world? Haven't you heard? The more the merrier?
---christan on 2/10/13


At a time when Emperor Claudius ruled Rome he believed that single soldiers fought better than married ones.Priest Valentinus (Valentine) married some secretly and when Claudius discovered this St Valentine was beaten with clubs stoned and beheaded 269CE Feb14th .
The last words on his final note was "from your Valentine"
---1st_cliff on 2/10/13


No Cliff, you shouldn't if you feel you shouldn't. However, Valentine's Day is about showing love & affection towards others. 1 John 4 says God is Love & the Bible says we're to show love towards one another.

Either way, it isn't, as the Mod would say, "Biblicalp". :)
---Leon on 2/10/13


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