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Is The Earth 6,000 Years Old

The earth is 6,000 years old, so nothing evolve. Does anyone here imagine that if the world was older people could change into something that was different - more fingers, taller, something like that.....As some scientists want us to believe we evolved, which I can't imagine we ever did!

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Francis, olive trees grow from seeds.

Are you saying that an olive tree could have survived for a year while totally covered by deep water. That it could have survived that dramatic flood (in Scripture called a cataclysm)which shredded the earths surface, rocks and all, depositing them again to depths of c1.6km. That is surely fantasy.

Every time I show the impracticality of your ideas you move to even more impractical ideas.
---Warwick on 2/17/13


"The Bible says in Acts 4:30 that Jesus is God's "holy child." Cluny

Funny how you RCs and Orthodox's have the same mind and spirit. Let me put it this way for you in simple context the understanding of Acts 4:30.

I'm a 55 year old man and have a son aged 24 years old, now is it grammatically wrong for me to call my son "my child" though he's already an adult? That's what the context of Acts 4:30 is about. It's speaking about the relationship between the Father and the Son!

Just because you see the word "child" in Acts 4:30, you challenge the meaning of it without reading it in context. And since when did you ever adhere to "strict interpretation"?
---christan on 2/17/13


christan said:\\ ''Dictionary... anddefines "CHILD" as "a person between birth and full growth, a boy or girl: books for children". See the difference?""\\

The Bible says in Acts 4:30 that Jesus is God's "holy child."

Does this mean that Jesus was never an adult? Did He always remain immature in His human nature and thus get crucified?

A strict interpretation of Acts 4:30 would say this.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/17/13


---jerry6593 on 2/17/13

Are you honestly tellng me that you are unaware plants are unable to survive floods?

Trees survive floods and even hurricans all the time

Are you unaware that there are plants that thrive in water, even in salt water, even in ocean currents?

As I said before people with limited knowledge of biology have no bussiness debating evolultion

Stick to what you know:
Exodus 20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
---francis on 2/17/13


---Warwick on 2/16/13
There is more plant life under salt water than above salt water.

Plants can survive for some time under water
---francis on 2/16/13




--Warwick on 2/16/13
not all plants like the olive trees reproduce from seeds, some plants send shoots

examples: Many plants like yams, and banana's do not grow from seeds.

Some flowers grow from bulbs and not seeds

If I am not mistaken bamboo also send shoots from which they reproduce, sugar cane is not grown from seeds either

If every plants that was in Eden was destroyed in the flood, than there would be no plants left which reproduced from sending shoots
---francis on 2/17/13


christan:

If you want to argue about what a word ACTUALLY means, please consult an ACTUAL dictionary:

man:
1. an adult male person...
2. a member of the species Homo sapiens or all members of this species collectively...
3. the human individual as representing the species...
4. a human being, person...
5. a husband.

child:
1. a person between birth and full growth...
2. a son or daughter
3. a baby or infant.
4. a human fetus.
5. a childish person

Note that you ONLY quote the first definitions in both cases, but there are others, and NOT all of them specify a specific age.
---StrongAxe on 2/17/13


Francis & Mr. Axe: Your arguments about flood-proof trees and Adam's creation as a baby serve to prove your dissatisfaction with the Bible account of Creation and your predilection for Darwin's fantasy. Why is that? Don't you trust God?



---jerry6593 on 2/17/13


StrongAxe, I'll put aside Scriptures and deal with only the carnal things of this world, since that's the level of understanding you're at for now.

Dictionary defines "MAN" as "AN ADULT male person, as distinguished from a boy or a woman" and defines "CHILD" as "a person between birth and full growth, a boy or girl: books for children". See the difference?

You turn upside down the understanding of the English language even when it gives you definitions. See now how pointless it is then to discuss Scripture when common English is totally distorted by you? You have reach a level of absurdity.
---christan on 2/16/13


Francis, the whole earth was innundated and destroyed by the flood of Noah's time. Do you imagine that the vegetation which grew post flood was planted by someone? Or did it arise from seeds which survived the flood? That a seed has sprouted was evidence for Noah that there was earth now above the water line.

Further it is only an assumption on your part, as I have already pointed out, that the leaf came from a tree, it was most likely from a seedling. Do you imagine a tree would somehow survive under the cataclysmic waters which shredded the earths surface and deposited it again?
---Warwick on 2/16/13




"I doubt it makes a big difference... I assume Adam was made as an adult, but when StrongAxe brought up the question, I realized it was only an emotional reason that made me feel that way" Peter

Don't sit on the fence! Say what the Bible declares: UNBELIEF IN THE WORD OF GOD, period!

Scripture declares "God formed MAN of the dust" and there's nothing you can do to say or change His Word. And your "logic" that there's a difference in understanding of what "MAN" is in Greek or Hebrew is absolutely ridiculous and absurd. There's nothing to "decode" in the meaning of what a "MAN" can mean in any kind of language.
---christan on 2/16/13


It makes no sense that a man would select a child to work in his garden if a fully grown man was available. A child does not have the capacity for work of a man. God is a God of perfect purpose and likewise why would He create a child to do a man's work see Genesis 2:15. God is perfectly just and would not be be so unfair as to burden a child so.

In Genesis 2:20-25 God made a woman (Hebrew 'issah') meaning 'woman, wife.' No hint of a child here. In verse 25 God describes her as a wife. Maybe she was an older woman? I don't think so!
---Warwick on 2/16/13


TheSeg: When we are told 'a child' we certainly know that the person is young.

Your question whether the Bible every says 'man' when it means 'child' is a good question, and I have not found one - but what you really mean is whether there is any way to KNOW whether all the people listed as 'man' in the Bible are actually adults - this is what StrongAxe is asking.

I doubt it makes a big difference, but I like this discussion because it is polite and proper - I assume Adam was made as an adult, but when StrongAxe brought up the question, I realized it was only an emotional reason that made me feel that way

I realize that not all languages have man ONLY for adults - English does, Greek, my first language, generally does not
---Peter on 2/16/13


TheSeg:

"child" can mean either 1) a pre-adolescent, or 2) an immediate direct descendent. I am my parents' child (sense 2), but I haven't been a child (sense 1) for decades.

Of course, the Bible typically mentions "son" because in Hebrew, there IS no neutral gender.

Job 5:7: "Yet man is born unto trouble..."
Job 14:1: "Man that is born of a woman..."
Job 15:7 "Art thou the first man that was born?..."

By your own reasoning, men are not born, because they are adults. But that clearly isn't the meaning here, because that would be absurd. Thus, your assumption that "man always means adult" is incorrect.
---StrongAxe on 2/16/13


---Warwick on 2/16/13
---jerry6593 on 2/16/13

If every plant was destroyed, and Noah was still in the Ark, who do you think planted that Olive tree from which the leaf was plucked off?
---francis on 2/16/13


StrongAxe

You mean like in 1Ch_29:22, 2Ch_1:1, 2Ch_13:6, 2Ch_30:26, 2Ch_35:3, Pro_1:1 where it says, Solomon the son of David.

I'll tell you what, you show me where it says, Solomon was David's child!
And that will be that, because I see the word child, all over the bible.

When it say child it mean child, exception:
Gen_44:20 child of his old age
Jdg_11:34 she was his only child
But these are clear!
When it refers to a child you'll see.
Man child or just male.

Do you know of any place in the bible it says man refering to a child?
I can't find one. Does anyone here know of one?
Show me just one, then maybe!
Till then he was a man.
God bless
Peace
---TheSeg on 2/16/13


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christan:

you said: From this ... I believe that ...

In other words, you are stating a personal opinion based on your own private interpretation of a scripture. You are reading something into a passage that you believe OUGHT to be there, because it plainly isn't actually stated anywhere one way or other.


TheSeg:

It says God made "a man" not "an adult man". Some words SOMETIMES indicate age (e.g. "child" may mean "pre-adolescent human" but not in "Solomon was David's child". So you can't dogmatically determine age from uses of such words unless the context plainly dictates it.
---StrongAxe on 2/16/13


Francis, there is no way of knowing if the olive leaf was from a tree, or how long the tree had been growing. It may have been no more than a seedling which sprouted post-flood. And of course we do not have that leaf to do c14 testing, do we?

If the leaf came from a pre-flood tree it is improbable, or more likely impossible that it could have survived under the raging flood waters for c1 year.

Further, the flood being c1500 years after creation, there is no way of knowing if the tree was made at creation.

All speculation.
---Warwick on 2/16/13


francis: Your choice of Gen 8:11 to show that ancient olive trees survived the better part of a year UNDER SALT WATER is silly. Had you read Gen 8:9, you would have seen:

Gen 8:9 But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth

The waters were receding, and an olive tree had apparently just sprouted from a seed.

Why must you trust heathen professors more than God?



---jerry6593 on 2/16/13


Peter, regardless of language - Scripture written in or translated into - when one's "born of the Spirit", Christ's promise was "Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth: for He shall not speak of Himself, but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak: and He will shew you things to come."

The Spirit doesn't leave one in the dark, that's because He's the light from God that one may see.

From this, "and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself" Genesis 1:12, I believe that God created the tree a tree and not a sapling or from a seed. Similarly when He "formed MAN of the dust", it was a man, not a baby or a child.
---christan on 2/15/13


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Is there some other understanding?

Gen2:4-5
These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

(But here!)
And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew:

(Isn't he saying I didn't make them seeds. I made them plants and herbs!
In the same way, I didn't make a child. I made a man!

Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.)

for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
Peace
---TheSeg on 2/15/13


Christan: I did say in my posting that I do not speak Hebrew.

Your complaint about what StrongAxe said is fine IN ENGLISH...... OK

However, if you were using the Greek translation used at the time of Christ, you would not be able to tell if Adam and Eve were created as adults.

And I did point out that I don't speak Hebrew, so I can't tell whether the original Hebrew implies anything about their age.

It may, of course

I just don't know
---Peter on 2/15/13


Peter, so by your account and understanding of "Linguistically your argument would be a problem in Greek - but the OT is in Hebrew", are you saying we should all then learn the Greek and Hebrew language instead of reading the English version?

Why not instead of just blabbering your seemingly deep knowledge of the Greek and Hebrew language, you tell us what the difference is between the Hebrew version of Genesis 2:7 and the KJV we are reading from? Meaning, tell us where and what the "problem" is...

And if you can't, you're just an empty gong.
---christan on 2/14/13


StrongAxe, at what age would call a fellow human a man? Some parts of the world it varies, but in majority of countries, anyone who turns 21 years and over is clearly classified as a MAN, agreed?

You went on to say, "Plant seeds produce more plant seeds, and babies produce babies - it may just take a bit longer."

Do you even realize the plants God created does not have the same reproductive organs and systems as the human being? And "babies produce babies"??? The longer this conversation goes on, the more idiotic your answers (if they can be classified as answers) and reasoning becomes. And all because you just want to challenge the Word of God to show how "intelligent" you are.
---christan on 2/14/13


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---Warwick on 2/14/13
I would like to politely ask you to reconsider what you said about all trees being destroyed in the flood

Genesis 8:11 And the dove came in to him in the evening, and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.
---francis on 2/14/13


StrongAxe, its cool right!
It appears we could throw this back and forth for as on as we live, right!

Yet, all I said is:
It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every (word) that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Gen_1:26 And God said, Let us make (man) in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

If you want to believe Adam and Eve were babies. Hey, who am I to tell you different!
Just repeating God word, man:)
He said, (man.)
Peace
---TheSeg on 2/15/13


Samuelbb7: "So some people including myself think that the universe and this earth was created more then 6,000 years ago."

God disagrees!

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is


---jerry6593 on 2/15/13


Francis, we are talking of trees in Eden which is no more, having been destroyed during the world-wide cataclysm known as Noah's flood. "By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed." 2 Peter 3:6. We do not know where Eden was therefore even if such a tree had survived the flood we have no way of knowing it came from Eden. The Genealogies from Adam to Jesus cover c4,000 years which means the earth is c6,000 years old. You oppose God's word with a radiometric dating method which does not give age, but chemical ratios. These are then interpreted as age but the system is based upon untestable assumptions and therefore cannot be claimed as scientifically proved.
---Warwick on 2/14/13


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Peter:

My question was rhetorical, and specifically to francis. He appears to be a biblical literalist, believing that everything happened exactly as the Bible said it, with no room for interpretation. However, he does seem to insist on some things (e.g. Adam's maturity) which the Bible does not in any way provide details about.

I am not stating that this is an important issue - merely challenging francis's claim to have any specific knowledge about it. If God had considered it important, presumably he would have given us more information about it.


TheSeg:

The Bible makes no comment about age. Plant seeds produce more plant seeds, and babies produce babies - it may just take a bit longer.
---StrongAxe on 2/14/13


how can we carbon date trees which no longer exist?
---Warwick on 2/14/13
Some do exist today
And some a fossils

You do know that it is an assumption that none of the trees from creation are still
alive

I recently read a story of carbon dating a tree ( roots) 10,000 years old
---francis on 2/14/13


Christan: Your answer is fine in English, but I am not sure if it is so good in Hebrew. Linguistically your argument would be a problem in Greek - but the OT is in Hebrew, which I don't know.

But StrongAxe's question seems to just add another idea that really does not add any more info, it just confuses things. There is no benefit to questioning the age, taking Adam and Eve to be adults when they were created seems good, and we would not gain anything from assuming they were created as children.

So why bother?
---Peter on 2/14/13


Was Adam a full grown man?
I think God answer it in Gen_1:11 saying:
And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

Why Gen_1:11?
Because it seems to me everything God made had seed, yielding fruit after his kind.
Why would man be any different? The seed was in him a full grown man.

Now did we evolve the by theory of evolution?
God said I made a man and a woman.

Christ said:
It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
I'm good with that!
Peace
---TheSeg on 2/14/13


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Francis, as I see it they were created mature, like Adam, because they both needed to be mature. But we do not know anything about the conditions which existed in Eden and the conditions which exist today cannot be used to work it out. The present is not the key to the past.

I have answered your question so please answer mine: how can we carbon date trees which no longer exist?
---Warwick on 2/14/13


My C.S. Lewis quote of the day just seems appropriate.

"I know now, Lord, why you utter no answer. You are yourself the answer. Before your face questions die away. What other answer would suffice?"
---Scott1 on 2/14/13


---Warwick on 2/14/13
---jerry6593 on 2/14/13

can we agree that chronologically these fruit trees were 3 days old and
characterically they were a minimum of 7 years old
---francis on 2/14/13


"Where did it say Adam was created as an adult? Chapter and verse please." StrongAxe

Genesis 2:7, "And the Lord God FORMED MAN of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and MAN became a living soul."

Do you really know that you're in complete unbelief of the Word? Scripture explicitly says "FORMED MAN", it doesn't say "formed a baby or a child or a teenage boy" BUT "FORMED MAN"!

Has the simplicity of the English language confused your already confused mind? Or maybe you just can't believe.
---christan on 2/14/13


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Francis, how can we carbon date trees which no longer exist?

BTW c14 dating does not directly give an age in years. It rather gives chemical ratios and the age is interpreted via these ratios. But as with all radiometric dating methods the conclusions are based upon untestable assumptions so the results given cannot be scientifically verified.
---Warwick on 2/14/13


francis: "carbon dating tells us these trees are 100,000's years old"

NO it does not! C14 has a half-life of only 5730 years, and thus is useless at such extreme ages. You continue to make pseudoscientific pronouncements with neither understanding nor valid references. Why don't you stick to saving the planet with Liberal good intentions?



---jerry6593 on 2/14/13


I would like to point out that the Bible is pictured as existing and covered with water before GOD started to shape it. So some people including myself think that the universe and this earth was created more then 6,000 years ago. But GOD at sometime placed man on this planet after changing it in six days so it could be inhabited.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/13/13


Adam was created on day 6
Plants were created on day 3

But when Adam was created, the fruit bearing trees already has fruits on them, and ripe fruits at that.

chronologically these trees were 3 days old
characterically there were a minimum of 7 years old

carbon dating tells us these trees are 100,000's years old
---francis on 2/13/13


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Where did it say Adam was created as an adult? Chapter and verse please.
---StrongAxe on 2/13/
really that is you quetsion?
You cannot figure out that Adamw as not created as a baby, but rather could think, reason, and work

Created on day 6 married on day 6
UHM UHM he and his wife became one flesh on their first date, wedding day
---francis on 2/13/13


Where did it say Adam was created as an adult? Chapter and verse please.
---StrongAxe on 2/13/13
1: Adam made in Image of God: God was not a baby
2: Adam is refered to as a MAN not a boy or child. It says the MAN and his WIFE
3:Adam had adult responsibilities from day 1 including bot not limited to, Be fruitful, and multiply

So from all ratoinal indication: Adam was an Adult, not a todler, child or infant
---francis on 2/13/13


jerry6593:

You said: "Chromoligically" Seriously? And you're the one who denigrates Dan Quale for misspelling potato? Get a grip!

Dan Quayle's problem was NOT that he couldn't spell "potato". Rather, HE corrected an expert's spelling in public, and did it wrong. Remember the caution about the "mote in another's eye".

If you make an honest mistake on these blogs, nobody has the right to ridicule you. But if you walk up to (say) Billy Graham on stage and tell him to his face that his theology is wrong - and then YOU are wrong, you will be ridiculed, and rightly so.


francis:

Where did it say Adam was created as an adult? Chapter and verse please.
---StrongAxe on 2/13/13


francis: "while some plants are characteristaclly [sic] 100,000's of years old"

No, they are not. Accelerator mass spectrometer data shows them to be about the age of the flood (c4,500 years bp). You are not a scientist, so give a reference for your outlandish statement.

"Chromoligically" Seriously? And you're the one who denigrates Dan Quale for misspelling potato? Get a grip!


---jerry6593 on 2/13/13


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Scott1: I'll put it more mildly, but I don't think we can have a major gap.

some have suggested the 'fall of Satan' occurred there, and I can't say..... But in terms of time, let's keep it simple, as the Bible does

But Scott, I will be honest. It is sometimes hard, and Warwick has been kind to encourage me when my understanding of creation is weak. So I will not be hard on you. I just mean let us try to remember we have to push our mind to remain on one side.

I have to admit (to you and to Warwick) that I have tried to sit on the fence..... but it just does not work!!!!

Thanks - and I wish that always here we can always have a polite and friendly discussion
---Peter on 2/12/13


"When Adam was created on day 6, there were already trees with fruit on them. Chromoligically they were abot two days old, characteristically, 1000's of years old" francis

I hope for the sake of education, you're not a teacher.
---christan on 2/12/13


\\Cluny the 1 Timothy genealogies you brought up are irrelevant to the question, because they are not the genealogies from Adam to Christ. \\

How do you know that Biblical genealogies are NOT what St. Paul had in mind?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/12/13


Scott1, I know it is one of the theories but it is not supported by Scripture so why do people hang on to it?
---Warwick on 2/12/13


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Cluny the 1 Timothy genealogies you brought up are irrelevant to the question, because they are not the genealogies from Adam to Christ. Therefore your point is irrelevant. Nowhere in Scripture does it say the genealogies from Adam are wrong, or irrelevant. In reality they establish the world is only some thousands of years old. You cannot accept them because you prefer your man-made millions of years, considering man's ideas superior to God's word. God's word does not allow for your long-ages views but still you promote them. Why?
---Warwick on 2/12/13


Have you noticed that hardly anyone has tried to answer James' actual question?

I find it interesting, though not for me very useful, but it is an interesting question - if things interbred for long enough, would there ever be changes?

But we spend most of our time chatting about many things, not always about the question set before us
---Peter on 2/12/13


Still asking how old the earth is . . . if the earth was a person . . . and you kept asking how old it is . . . (c: lololololol

"It didn't take time, it took God."

I consider the junctional fibers in the heart. They need to be the exact width to slow the cardiac impulse just right so the atria have time to empty into the ventricles before ventricular systole. But each person is unique, needing those fibers to be perfectly crafted for that person. That takes hands-on creation, I would say, doing this - - now.
---willie_c: on 2/12/13


earth is more than 8000 years old , while some plants are characteristaclly 100,000's of years old" francis

You arrive to this conclusion from the Holy Bible or from the father of lies?
---christan on 2/11/13
Adam was Chronologically 1 day old, characteristaclly an adult

When Adam was created on day 6, there were already trees with fruit on them. Chromoligically they were abot two days old, characteristically, 1000's of years old
---francis on 2/12/13


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\\Cluny your comments about the genealogies are irrelevant to the discussion. \\

Then if genealogies are irrelevant to the discussion, why did YOU bring them up?

It is not "my long ages view."

I actually don't commit to either view, as God could have done it either way.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/12/13


Scott1 where do you get the idea that there is time between Genesis 1:1 and 3?
---Warwick on 2/11/13

Just one of the many theories.
---Scott1 on 2/12/13


pat: "much clearer aspects of the overall teaching of the Bible on creation"

You can't get much clearer than God's own handwritten account:

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Yet, many Christians would argue with God that it actually took millions of years, or that the seventh day isn't really holy. Is defending God's own words not a worthy pursuit?


---jerry6593 on 2/12/13


Cluny your long-ages view was dreamed up by Biblical compromisers to fit Scripture with the idea the world has been proven to be billions of years old. It does not come from Scripture. The promoters of this view consider the fossil record details these vast ages. However this record contains the remains of animals and man who died. Romans 5:12 contradicts this saying death is a result of Adam's sin. Further 1 Corinthians 15:26 says death will be the last enemy conquered. How can death be an enemy if it always was a natural part of life, not the result of sin?

The NT says the events of Genesis are the only foundation for the need of Jesus to die and rise again. And you say a long-ages view doesn't affect our salvation!
---Warwick on 2/12/13


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Cluny your comments about the genealogies are irrelevant to the discussion. The genealogies from Adam to Jesus are in God's word for good reason. For a relevant reason they directly contradict the idea that from Adam (who was made at the beginning of this creation) to Jesus is any more than c4,000 years. Any gaps do not add up to extra eons.

Further there is no sound reason to believe the genealogies spoken of in 1 Timothy are the genealogies from Adam to Jesus.
---Warwick on 2/12/13


There is a danger that Christians will spend too much time arguing over the age of the earth and neglect to focus on much more important and much clearer aspects of the overall teaching of the Bible on creation. What matters is God created it. And He should get the credit. Well, He ought to get credit for something!
---pat on 2/12/13


Cluny, you forget we have discussed this before.

The point is Jesus, the Creator says man was made at the beginning of creation. Would He who was there have forgotten He made man on day 6? Is this what you claim? Is it not obvious He uniquely knows when He made man? Is it not also obvious He was speaking of the creation (that which He created, in which we live) the same meaning of creation as per Romans 8:22?

To suggest Jesus did not know what He was saying is 'out there' even for you. Surely not orthodox?

Jesus was obviously aware of when He made man and said He was made at the beginning. You would have us believe Jesus is totally wrong, and man was actually made billions of years after the beginning!
---Warwick on 2/12/13


\\However, Jesus has told us Adam was made at the beginning of creation.\\

Even a literal interpretation of Genesis 1 puts Adam and Eve as the LAST creatures God made. They were NOT made at the beginning of creation.

\\ Plus we have the genealogies from Adam to Jesus stretching c4,000 years.\\

There may be gaps in those genealogies. Some have pointed out a few. It's not an issue I worry about.

And anyway, doesn't St. Paul warn us NOT to get all wound up over endless genealogies? Read 1 Tim 1:4.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/11/13


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Scott1 where do you get the idea that there is time between Genesis 1:1 and 3?
---Warwick on 2/11/13


I believe the bible and I believe that what the bible tells us about creation is literal. A God who can raise the dead, part the sea, turn water into wine and so much more would have no problem, whatsoever, in creating ALL things in SIX DAYS.

Once we start messing about with literal and figurative we tread on dodgy ground.

What God tells us is true is what He expects us to accept as being the truth.
---Rita_H on 2/11/13


James:

Your original blog post questioned more fingers.

When I was in high school, a friend of mine had a cat that had 7 claws on her front paws, and 6 on her back paws. This mutation bred true, as all her kittens had 6 on all 4 paws. These were all full functional claws. So yes, this is a mutation involving "more fingers" that I personally witnessed during my lifetime. Saying "something can't happen" is easily refuted by showing "but it did ACTUALLY happen".
---StrongAxe on 2/11/13


Cluny, you are correct, the Bible doesn't tell us the earth is exactly 6,000 years old. However, Jesus has told us Adam was made at the beginning of creation. Plus we have the genealogies from Adam to Jesus stretching c4,000 years. Add the c2,000 years since Jesus' time here and you do get c6,000 years.

Jesus contradicts the evolutionary billions of years.

Considering Jesus says Adam was made at the beginning of creation this fits with being created on the 6th 24hr day, in a world c6,000 years old. If the earth is billions of years old Jesus was wrong, as in the long-ages scenario Adam would have appeared not at the beginning but at almost the very end.
---Warwick on 2/11/13


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g, in reality Genesis 1 is written in man's terms. This is obvious as it is man, not God, who lives 'evening and morning' 24hr days, as God is outside of time, as you say.

In fact the Bible throughout is God's word written in terms man can understand. God talks, for example, about 'the good shepherd' however I am confident there are no shepherds and sheep in heaven. I am certain if God wrote in His terms we would have no idea what He was saying. How can finite creatures comprehend the infinite. How can we even begin to understand the power and method by which God created?
---Warwick on 2/11/13


Earth is about 8,000-10,000 years old.

About 6 years ago I did a calculation.

Genesis 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image, and called his name Seth:

Genesis 5:6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:

From these two text i came up with and earth ago of 1035 when Enos was born

I did this far all of Genesis, the 430 years in Rgypt, 40 years in the wilderness, the length or reign of each judge, and between judges, length of reign of each king, length of time in captivity, length of time from return to captivity to Jesus, and length of time from Jesus till today.

It was over 8000 years.
---francis on 2/11/13


The earth is 6,000 years old, so nothing evolve.

How do you know that? How much time existed between verse Gen 1 1 and 3. Why can't a lifeform change in 6,000 years. What is your reference point for an evolving species to make that claim?
---Scott1 on 2/11/13


James, where did you get the idea that the earth is only 6000 years old? On what data or information do you base this premise? The Bible itself doesn't say. Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 2/11/13


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Amen cluny!
Besides, from God's point of view the earth is 6000 years old. The book of Genesis is written from God's point of view. God is out side of time
Man looks at the earth from man's point of view.billions of years old.
inside of time.
It is like 2 people looking at a car drive by, one on the left side of the street and one on the right. When they each say what they saw, who is wrong and does it change the fact that the car drove by? Both are right just different points of view. And jesus is the whole point!
---g on 2/11/13


earth is more than 8000 years old , while some plants are characteristaclly 100,000's of years old" francis

You arrive to this conclusion from the Holy Bible or from the father of lies?
---christan on 2/11/13

BIBLE
tell you what, i will give you 24 hours to figure it out.

Go ahead and read it in the bible
---francis on 2/11/13


"earth is more than 8000 years old , while some plants are characteristaclly 100,000's of years old" francis

You are one real confused and lost soul. You arrive to this conclusion from the Holy Bible or from the father of lies? God condescended to tell us He created the world and everything in six days, rested on the seventh.

We are told God created the grass, trees, etc on the third day (Genesis 1:11-13) and you believe it's "100,000 years old". Your basic fundamentals of who God truly is, is so flawed. So much for trying to convince us you're a Christian.
---christan on 2/11/13


If you believe in the chronology of Abp. Ussher, which has NEVER been officially a part of the Bible, then the earth is 6000 years old.

If you do not believe that the days of Genesis 1 were 24 hour earthly days, then the earth is older.

NEITHER affects the Incarnation or our Salvation in Christ.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/11/13


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earth is more than 8000 years old , while some plants are characteristaclly 100,000's of years old
---francis on 2/11/13


Whether short or tall, people are still people. The Japanese have an art of keeping some plants small. Still the same plant.
---aaron on 2/11/13


James, What you may be hinting at are probably mutations?
Mutations are "always" harmful,never beneficial!
If we were taller or shorter we would be just the same ,there are some really short people (Pygmies) and some really tall ones Dinka and Tutsi people in Africa who's height is an average near 6'!
---1st_cliff on 2/10/13


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