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Linda, you made a lot of sense when you said,

"Not everything has to make sense for us to believe it! Faith is not "figuring everything out"

that is correct. We cannot figure everything out not even in a life time concerning everything in Scripture. But one thing we have to know, if what we place our faith in is Correct. Is our faith in the Lord, or is our faith still in ourselves. On our knees every person knows the real truth, for every person knows that only God can change a heart, otherwise we would never ask God to change our families, and our friends. We might as well pray to our families, or friends instead of to God if they have that power. But they don't and neither do we.
---Mark_V. on 2/19/13


MarkV,

For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again, and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. --- 2 Peter 2:20-22
---LindaH on 2/18/13


\\The best part of chrisianity is that the predestination and free will theologies are both right.\\
---Scott1 on 2/18/13

As a matter of biblical fact, they are both wrong because they have the wrong event as the focus of being predestined toward

Nobody was predestined to believe, no matter how it's sliced by either camp

Predestined to be conformed to the image of Christ through suffering and to be a joint-heir with Him

Some believers were predestined for this, and some believers were not.

It is determined by who God foreknew as a son (heir)

Both positions you spoke of are like arguing whether a bicycle has three wheels or four
---James_L on 2/18/13


MarkV, "christian", LindaH,

The best part of chrisianity is that the predestination and free will theologies are both right.

Linda - MarkV and "christian" both have the view of predestination which is Biblical but as a fellow "free willer" it is important to view predestination in the context of adoption from Father to child which is something to be celebrated. Free willers tend to view incorrectly predestination as a game of "duck, duck, damn". See Ephesians 1 4,5.
---Scott1 on 2/18/13


Markv we all give you scripture you also say is twisted.
---kathr4453 on 2/18/13




"While I also agree with this verse, what Linda is viewing is the image of God in that God cannot be the author of sin." e.lee

Call it what you will but this is what Scriptures (aka the Word of God) declares:

"What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil?" Job 2:10, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." Isaiah 45:7

"The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil." Proverbs 16:4, "shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?" Amos 3:6

Still have a problem with evil? I don't.
---christan on 2/18/13


What you just did Mark is a perfect example of how you have missed the mark doctrinally.

"You suggest that people are not evil without Christ"

A horrible assumption. Then you take that and run with it

"isn't it better for them to never know about Christ this way they never reject Him, so they can stay holy? Think of what you say. You are saying they are righteous before they reject Christ."

Your err is that THIS is the very same thing you do with scripture. Not everything has to make sense for us to believe it! Faith is not "figuring everything out"
---LindaH on 2/18/13


Mark, Ive noticed you do this also.

Not all men will be saved, therefore YOU conclude (by your own reasoning) that He didnt die for all (contradicting what scripture clearly says), then you run with that "fact" which has led you to where you are today: thinking God has favorites (another direct contradiction of scripture).

My heart tells me that you and Christian have serious doubts and that is why you spend so much time here clinging to each other on these blogs.

Is it better to become the hands and feet of Christ or spend countless hours here trying to convince others that you are handpicked? Which one TRULY honors God?
---LindaH on 2/18/13


Hosea 11:1
When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.

Ok so Jacob was renamed ISRAEL.

Was Jacob actually a child who was alive when Israel, God's elect ,were called out of Egypt?

So how come Paul tells us IN ISAAC will thy seed be called. And like Isaac, SO ARE WE, children of promise. Isaac was born by supernatural means, a type shadow of our supernatural birth. Jacob and Esau were not out of the ordinary, not in their conception. Isaac represents the Church, the heavenly church, CHRIST,s BODY. More than the STARS.

Jacob represents the sand, earthly, more than the sand of sea.

They still just don't get it.
---kathr4453 on 2/18/13


Galatians 4:28
Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Here, in case you don't have a Bible and rely to much on the Institutes of Calvin.


Ever notice in GALATIANS, that awesome book on GRACE and the CROSS, Jacob is not named even once..not even once.
---kathr4453 on 2/18/13




Linda, I give you Scripture and you say it is twisted. The passage I give you are very clear. you do not need hermenutics to know what they mean. You then speak of Calvinism, when I have not given you one remark from Calvin, but from the Word of God. You suggest that people are not evil without Christ, and then when they reject Christ they become evil. Why can you not see your mistakes. Lets say you are correct, isn't it better for them to never know about Christ this way they never reject Him, so they can stay holy? Think of what you say. You are saying they are righteous before they reject Christ. And once they reject Christ they become evil. You said rejecting Christ they become evil.
---Mark_V. on 2/18/13


Christan //"For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth" Romans 9:11

While I also agree with this verse, what Linda is viewing is the image of God in that God cannot be the author of sin.
---e.lee7537 on 2/17/13


If I honestly thought it would do a bit of good Christan, I would go for weeks and weeks with you two and watch you do what your cult always does: change the meaning of simple words so that the scriptures fit your preconceived beliefs.

If I told you that at one point in my life I saw things as you do, would you believe it?

The problem is that neither Calvinism nor Arminianism is completely correct. Neither side is willing to concede that fact and that is why the debate has gone on for centuries.

Arrogance can stop a person from growing in the faith.
---LindaH on 2/18/13


"I do believe in election, just not the way you see it. My view of the election doesnt twist the image of God and contradict the very things he says of himself." LindaH

Why not then tell us with Scripture backing as to what election is to you? I have read e.lee's understanding of it and if you concur to his/her explanation of "He may chose someone He knows will do His will", I will show you Scripture that you've been deceived... read:

"For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth" Romans 9:11

Like it or not, election is explicitly unconditional!
---christan on 2/17/13


Linda, you twisted what you said. You say,
"If a man rejects the grace of God he becomes a pawn of evil and just as the devil himself cannot do anything with the LORD's approval neither can a man. God is always in control."
If a man rejects the grace of God he doesn't become pawn of evil, "he is already a pawn of evil." When he rejects the grace of God, it's because the gospel came to him in word only, not in power of God and the Holy Spirit and with much assurance, because to the elect:
"Knowing beloved brethren, your election of God. For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit and with much assurance.." (1 Thess. 1:4,5)
---Mark_V. on 2/17/13


Exactly e.lee! God has made it known that whatever path a man chooses the Lord directs his steps (Proverbs 16:9)

Judas' love of money was greater than anything. That is the way HE chose. God directed his steps by using that love of money to bring about the death of Christ.

If a man rejects the grace of God he becomes a pawn of evil and just as the devil himself cannot do anything with the LORD's approval neither can a man. God is always in control.

If a man accepts the grace of God you become a servant of righteousness and the works of Christ become manifest in you thru his Spirit.

Either way, God will have his way. I would rather be a pawn for the winning team! :)
---LindaH on 2/17/13


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Context?

John 3:19 "And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."

Man's understanding is guided by his heart and the direction of his feet (Poverbs 4:26). That is the only context that matters, Luke 8:15.
---Nana on 2/17/13


Linda 2: when the Bible says, "if you have ears to hear" or, "if you have eyes to see" it refers to believers, for only they can hear and see spiritual Truth. Seeing and hearing comes from God.
Moses to Israel,
"Now Moses called all Israel and said to them: You have ssen all that the Lord did before your eyes in the land of Egypt, to Pharaoh and all his servants and to all his land, the great trials which your eyes have seen, the signs and those great wonders. "Yet the Lord has not given you a heart to perceive and eyes to see and ears to hear, to this very day." God had to give them eyes to see, ears to hear and a heart to perceive and hadn't. Very simple if you believe it by faith.
---Mark_V. on 2/17/13


Linda//
I do believe in election, just not the way you see it. My view of the election doesnt twist the image of God and contradict the very things he says of himself.


I believe I can understand your reasoning. God is not not not the author of sin, however,He may chose someone He knows will do His will. Such was the case with Judas, God knew what was in His heart so selectively chose him to be the one who would betray Christ.

Judas, like all of us, are responsible for our own actions and will answer to God.

Want someone to steal from you from your store, hire someone that you know will be a thief and your goods will disappear.
---e.lee7537 on 2/17/13


As someone else quoted here, we should bring forth fruits worthy of repentance.

But don't forget that repentance is NOT a once-for-all-time event, but is a LIFESTYLE, a constant course correction.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/17/13


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Linda, I'm sorry you do not know how to read Scripture. When the words "us" is mentioned, it means the elect, the saved, believers. When the words "if you can hear" it is refering to believers. Those that don't hear, are unbelievers. When is says "whosoever" it means who ever. When the word "world" is use, it could mean mankind, every single person, or every nation depending on the context. The Bible is for believers because only they believe and understand God's Word. Unbelievers can benefit from it, because the gospel is found in the Word of God. But faith comes from hearing, and remember "hearing comes from the Word of God." So if you cannot hear spiritual Truth, you are lost.
---Mark_V. on 2/17/13


I do believe in election, just not the way you see it. My view of the election doesnt twist the image of God and contradict the very things he says of himself.

You and Mark fail to set boundaries in your system of beliefs. There are things God says about himself that are crystal clear (which should serve a doctrinal boundary of sorts) and things that are hard to understand and men tend to speculate on because they find it impossible to "trust in the LORD and lean not unto their own understanding".

When a man's speculation violates those boundaries and he doesnt RETHINK his position, he has become a heretic.
---LindaH on 2/16/13


"You tickle your ears believing Gods grace is reserved for a few..." LindaH

Have you not learn anything from the Holy Bible from Genesis to Revelation? For your info:

1. God created the world without any "consultation" from any of His creation - He owes nothing to His creation.
2. He created man from dust - which is worth nothing! Is dust worth anything?
3. God chose only to save Noah and his family (election implied), before destroyed the world and everything in it.
4. Of all the nations, He chose only Israel to reveal Himself (election)

I can go on but your unbelief of election by God is comforting to me that there's such a thing as sovereign election as taught in Scriptures.
---christan on 2/16/13


Nana:

The epistles were written to specific target audiences. While it may yet be true that others not from that audience may still benefit from reading from it, one must ALWAYS understand the context when reading anything. For example, If Paul wrote to the Corinthians and said "I will visit you shortly", you may benefit from reading that epistle, but it would be absurd to expect Paul to visit YOU personally, because it was not written to you. Since the epistles were all written to believers, anyone who reads them (believer or not) must understand that context.
---StrongAxe on 2/16/13


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Hebrew 4:12...

The word of God, out of its own strenght is alive and life giving, standing irregardless of believer or unbeliever:

Jesus said, "The words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life"

Matthew 7:24 "Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:..."
Matthew 7:26 "And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:.."

Hear-Do or Hear-Do-Not. No distinction between believer or unbeliever.
---Nana on 2/16/13


LindaH:

I have to agree with christan here - most (if not all) of the epistles were written explicitly to either specific groups of believers (e.g. Ephesians), specific individual believers (e.g. Timothy), or believers in general (e.g. 1 John). It was not necessary to specify "believers" explicitly in the text.


christan:

You said: Goes to show how much you know the God I worship.

How do you know what I know about God, since I wasn't talking about God at all. I was speaking about retirement. This has nothing to do with an infallible immortal God, but everything to do with fallible and mortal men.
---StrongAxe on 2/16/13


You can keep your delusion to yourself, "Christan".
Col 1:19,20
For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell, And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile ALL things unto himself, by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

According to vs 28,29 it is Gods power working in Paul to present EVERY man perfect in Christ Jesus. You know why? Because He has NO pleasure in the death of the wicked but that they will turn from their ways and live (Ezekiel 33:11).

You tickle your ears believing Gods grace is reserved for a few (which naturally includes yourself of course!!!). Come down from your pedestal!
---LindaH on 2/16/13


Ok, thankyou bro.Francis, my sincere apology to you..
May the Lord bless you. ELENA
---ELENA on 2/15/13
no problems
---francis on 2/16/13


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Luke 3:6-7

7 Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

In other words, "claiming election" never saved anyone.
---kathr4453 on 2/16/13


Ok, thankyou bro.Francis, my sincere apology to you..
May the Lord bless you. ELENA
---ELENA on 2/15/13


"Sorry but my Bible doesn't say "(believers)" there. I'm pretty sure yours doesn't either." LindaH

And who do you think Paul was addressing in the epistle of 1 Thess 5:9? Unbelievers?

This is who Paul wrote to in 1 Thess 1:2-4 - "We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers, Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father, Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God." Doesn't sound like he was writing to unbelievers, does he?

The epistles are "love letters" from God, only meant for believers and not unbelievers.
---christan on 2/15/13


""For God appointed us (believers) not unto wrath, but unto the obtaining of salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Thess. 5:9)."-- MarkV

In light of 1Thess, and 2 Thess, ....these chapters are not about election, but the fact that those who find salvation NOW, through Christ, the wrath of God will not come upon you. We shall be saved from the WRATH to come.

My dear friends, Jesus came to save man from the a wrath to come. Whosoever will may come. Please put you faith in Him.
---kathr4453 on 2/15/13


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""For God appointed us (believers) not unto wrath, but unto the obtaining of salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Thess. 5:9)."-- MarkV

Sorry but my Bible doesn't say "(believers)" there. I'm pretty sure yours doesn't either.

Could it be that you are leaving out something?

Acts 13:26
Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to YOU is the word of this salvation sent.

Cornelius (a gentile) feared God and gave to the poor and prayed always to God. That is why Simon Peter was sent to teach him the gospel.

Repent AND believe the gospel. Noone DESERVES salvation, but repentance IS required of God. He is not mocked.
---LindaH on 2/15/13


"Wouldnt it be just as irresponsible to claim that "God made me do it!"? (predestination to damnation)" LindaH

Believing in predestination does not give you the right to say, "it's not me but God who made me do it". Only an unbeliever with a wicked heart will say such a thing and blame it on God.

Romans 9:19-21: "Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?"

Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
---christan on 2/15/13


"If you are below retirement age, do you plan to retire, or to work until the day you die? If you plan to retire (or have already done so), you have no business complaining about someone else doing so. If you plan on working into your 80s or 90s, more power to you." StrongAxe

"There are many devices in a man's heart, nevertheless the counsel of the Lord, that shall stand." Proverbs 19:21

Goes to show how much you know the God I worship.
---christan on 2/14/13


I said they nice to me.
---ELENA on 2/14/13
I did understand your post the first time
just posting my experience
---francis on 2/15/13


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LindaH, all sin and come short of the glory of God, everone is responsible for sin, that's why we need Christ. Second, I will help you with the Word of God, hope you can understand,

"For God appointed us (believers) not unto wrath, but unto the obtaining of salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Thess. 5:9).

Did you get that? all of the saved were not appointed to wrath. The elect are the saved. He (God) appointed us to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. Doesn't that tell you the others were appointed for wrath?
"And as the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of God,"and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed" (Acts 13:48).
---Mark_V. on 2/15/13


christan:

In the early church, Jesus and most of the apostles were martyred at early ages. But not all. What happened to John on the isle of Patmos after he wrote the Revelation? Nobody lives forever. Many Christian ministers work until they die, but many also retire at an old age due to declining health, since they are no longer able to effectively perform their duties.

Do you mind if I ask how old you are? No need to answer, but think about this: If you are below retirement age, do you plan to retire, or to work until the day you die? If you plan to retire (or have already done so), you have no business complaining about someone else doing so. If you plan on working into your 80s or 90s, more power to you.
---StrongAxe on 2/14/13


"Even today people blame satan for their own sinful actions. "The devil made me do it" comments, for not taking responsibility."--- MarkV

Wouldnt it be just as irresponsible to claim that "God made me do it!"? (predestination to damnation)
---LindaH on 2/14/13


Bro.Francis may I explain I was talking about The Protestant churches NOT catholic.. if you re- read. I only went to any catholic church only maybe 5 times in my life. & as I said they nice to me.
---ELENA on 2/14/13


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I think he has the "GRAY SICKNESS". Does anyone remember these old commercials for Geratol? If you do, you will be giving away your age!
---kathr4453 on 2/14/13


\\ They are not going to say another pope before them was wrong. \\

You have just shown your ignorance of Roman Catholic history on this matter, but I won't belabor the point, except for one example.

Pope Pius IX treated Melkite Patriarch Gregory shamefully. Pope Leo XIII (the next one) apologized for his predecessors action.

I might mention that many ignorant people confuse the words "renounce" and "denounce". He "renounced his office of papacy" the same way that King Edward VIII "renounced the British throne." Both still continue.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/14/13


---ELENA on 2/14/13
My experience with the RCC is that they do not choose their priest based on ethnic background

There are white priest pastoring predominantly black congregations

Black priest pastoring predominantly white congregation

In my experience, all ethnic groups in the RCC worship in the same building, sing in the same choir, I have not seen race as an issue in the RCC

---francis on 2/14/13


Well Christan, maybe THIS Pope did not believe himself on the same level as Moses or Jesus.

Which says more for him than you may give him credit for.
---kathr4453 on 2/14/13


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It is not unusual for a priest to step down. It is biblical


Numbers 8:24 This [is it] that [belongeth] unto the Levites: from twenty and five years old and upward they shall go in to wait upon the service of the tabernacle of the congregation:

Numbers 8:25 And from the age of fifty years they shall cease waiting upon the service [thereof], and shall serve no more:

Numbers 8:26 But shall minister with their brethren in the tabernacle of the congregation, to keep the charge, and shall do no service. Thus shalt thou do unto the Levites touching their charge.

It show great humility
---francis on 2/14/13


He has always had health problems even before he became pope. I think it is a great step of faith and courageous to break with traditions and to think of the RCC and its commitments to God.
As far as the racism goes people will go to church were they are most comfortable, segregation was a law and has ended. Tradition is a mind set. Watch the Elephant Room Season 2 episode Come Together.
---Scott1 on 2/14/13


Jennifer, my response did not belong on this blog but the blog concerning social media that Jed posted. Sorry.

Concerning this Pope stepping down, they should just do away with all popes. They all stick to each other whether the other was right or wrong. They are not going to say another pope before them was wrong. This pope I believe was convicted and the conviction was so great he felt like stepping down. He will never tell though why he did. But for a pope to step down in over 500 years it was very serious problem within the Church.
---Mark_V. on 2/14/13


"since the Pope announced his resignation this week, it's now not just a religious question, but one of politics and current events as well." StrongAxe

Resignation?

Did Moses "resign" from his duty in delivering Israel from bondage? Did Christ "resigned" from His duty to "save His people from their sins"? Did any of Christ's apostles "resigned" from their duty in the preaching and furtherance of God's Kingdom?
---christan on 2/14/13


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To bro.Francis,come to you with much respect & it is sad truth my experience here in this state alot of racism in every church I been to prodestant. The many races,natinalities whether you speak English or Spanish if you stay around long enough you will realize it. I am often before the Lord about this. I have visited the catholic church and no one treated me any different. That is the truth.Mt.25:41Rev.20:12, John5:29.
---ELENA on 2/14/13


I hope we will not ever have a "GREEN" pope. That will be unseemly,
---bike on 2/13/13

when the aliens come some will be catholics too
---francis on 2/14/13


Yea, a GREEN Pope would show one played with genetics.
---kathr4453 on 2/14/13


Some are hoping it is a black Pope, and African bishop on the list. Why not? We have a black president, why not a black Pope.
---John_1 on 2/14/13


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Jennifer, I believe the answer that Christan gave was right on the money. I have mentioned this before. Many blame their own actions on someone else. Like the long harsh treatment of the Jews by the popes and the rest of the church was the result of a serious missunderstanding of the gospel truth by the RCC. For by the church's own interpretation of the Cross, it was not Jews alone, whether wholly or in part, who were responsible for the Crucifixion, but the sin of the world, that is, the sin of the whole race. And what did the persecution do? More sin by man. Even today people blame satan for their own sinful actions. "The devil made me do it" comments, for not taking responsibility.
---Mark_V. on 2/14/13


bike, what do you mean by "GREEN pope"?

I believe the Roman Catholic Church HAS spoken out on genetic engineering of humans.

And there seems to be an alternation of short reigns-long reigns (or terms in office, if you prefer), not just short reigns.

Pius XII-- 19 years.
John XXIII--4 years.
Paul VI--15 years.
John Paul I--not even two months.
John Paul II--27 years
Benedict XVI--5 to 6 years.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/14/13


From the 1st roman cath pope till this one now is fully resigned. Then the new 1 will be seated, & I hear will be a Tyrant. They All Are here, Rev. 17 v's 4 - 6.
---Lawrence on 2/14/13


I hope we will not ever have a "GREEN" pope. That will be unseemly, as it will likely be tampering with genetics which is humans playing God. I think the church is prefering old popes at the time so that a pope not occupy the chair too long.
---bike on 2/13/13


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I left the Roman Catholic Church in 1975, because I found out the Truth about God and His Church.
---Trish on 2/13/13

That's EXACTLY why I left the Baptist Church, but it was several years before you, Trish.

---Cluny on 2/13/13

LOL LOL interesting
---francis on 2/13/13


Will the next pope be Black, Asian, etc.?
---Leon on 2/13/13


I just heard ABC is going to have a New reality show in hopes to find a new Pope, called The Vatican's Got Talent.
---kathr4453 on 2/13/13


The pope is just a mortal man no better,no worse.
---michael_e on 2/13/13


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\\I left the Roman Catholic Church in 1975, because I found out the Truth about God and His Church.\\

That's EXACTLY why I left the Baptist Church, but it was several years before you, Trish.

Too bad you've not found the REAL Church yet.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/13/13


Will the next pope be Black, Asian, etc.?
---Leon on 2/13/13
Catholics do not hold the racial preduces that protestants do.

In the Catholic church near my home, people of all ethnic groups worship together, while in protestant denomination they are segregated

So the next pope may be black, white of green, but he will be a qualified Roman Catholic Leader
---francis on 2/13/13


I left the Roman Catholic Church in 1975, because I found out the Truth about God and His Church.

However, when I read about the Pope's resignation, I found it to his credit that he knows his physical and mental limitations, given his age, and was wise to step down. He is the first Pope in 600 years to do so.
---Trish on 2/13/13


\\The catholic church is great at covering things up.
---Mike on 2/13/13\\

So are Protestant churches.

So is EVERYONE, for that matter.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/13/13


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Will the next pope be Black, Asian, etc.?
---Leon on 2/13/13


I didn't say there was anything "wrong" with the question just that Protestants do not usually get involved with this type of issue
I do know that a Canadian Archbishop is one of the front runners to be next Pope!!
---1st_cliff on 2/13/13


It has been 600 years since the last Pope steped down. I don't know the reasons however it is not custom for a pope to step down. Even in poor health. They are there until they die. It could be several reasons none them we will ever know. The catholic church is great at covering things up.
---Mike on 2/13/13


Since I never met the man, I feel nothing about him.
---KarenD on 2/13/13


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\\You said: I somehow think this is a Catholic question!

Yes, but what's wrong with that?\\

Nothing, as long as this thread doesn't become another round of Bash the Catholics.

About Pope Benedict personally, as far as I can tell, his public utterances have always been charitably candid. I don't think he equivocates, though he tries to express his mind clearly and gently.

What he says and does privately, I know not, and I'm not going to speculate. Statements that begin, "Well, if he does/says....." are meaningless and simply say the speaker has no idea.

Glkory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/13/13


He's not as handsome as the previous pope.
---Born on 2/13/13


As a SDA, I have no opinion worthwhile about him personally. I'm sure he's doing the best he can do now for both himself and be people he leads, and I can only pray his conscience is clear before God in this matter.
---francis on 2/13/13


1st_cliff:

You said: I somehow think this is a Catholic question!

Yes, but what's wrong with that? These blogs are full of questions that specifically relate to Mormon, Seventh Day Adventist, Jehovah's Witness, and other Christian and quasi-Christian subgroups. Why not Catholic as well, since they are, after all, the largest Christian group on the planet?

Plus, since the Pope announced his resignation this week, it's now not just a religious question, but one of politics and current events as well.
---StrongAxe on 2/13/13


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Who's we, Jennifer?

As an Orthodox, I have no opinion worthwhile about him personally. I'm sure he's doing the best he can do now for both himself and be people he leads, and I can only pray his conscience is clear before God in this matter.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/13/13


Pope Benedict XVI? Just another New World Order puppet, as far as I'm concerned, just like his predecessor Pope John Paul II. And, the Anti-Christ kingdom marches on.
---Gordon on 2/13/13


I somehow think this is a Catholic question!
---1st_cliff on 2/13/13


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