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Pope Facing Criminal Charges

It appears that former Pope Benedict resigned because he is facing criminal charges for crimes against humanity for how the Catholic Churches worldwide mishandled all of the priests who were sexually abusing children. The Vatican is protecting him from facing his accusers.

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Marks, I do not deny that the trinity is ETERNAL. The WORD who is God has always existed, without beginning of days or end of days. Maybe it's you who ready doesn't understand what ETERNAL really means.

In the BEGINNING, GOD created the heavens and earth. The worlds were framed by the WORD of God who lives and abides FOREVER.

The WORD was in the beginning with God and was God, and still IS God.

If you don't understand this then it is hopeless trying to discuss with an illiterate person.

Guess what the Holy Spirit is also eternal...where and when was He generated too? Can one part of the trinity be generated / begotten in eternity past, and not the other parts. Is God divided into parts?
---kathr4453 on 2/23/13


kathr4453: No, I do not mean I believe the RCC particular view.

I just mean that in the same way, the Christian view in general is that salvation is through belief in God and the salvation through Christ.

The way the two people who wrote that accusation of the Pope wrote the accusation, they would accuse any church

I do not mean I support the RCC ONLY. I mean I support that one must believe in salvation by Christ, and the two people who filed that accusation would mind that just as much

I mind the pedophile stuff, but their objection to the way they write their objection to the stuff about salvation means they mind what any church would say about salvation - not just the RCC
---Peter on 2/23/13


Markv, you even went as far as saying that Jesus is referred to many things, like a door, or gate, etc,

Yet, no where does Revelations explicitly say....And His Name is called the Door of God. The Worlds were not said to be framed by the gate/door og God. and scripture does not say, you are Born Again by any gate or door. My Word is spirit and LIFE. John didn't say in 1st John that they handled a gate or Door, but THE Word. They Handled the Word of LIFE.

If you were truly Born of the Spirit, you should know this.

It's one of the very First lessons the Holy Spirit teaches those Born Again of the Word of God.
---kathr4453 on 2/23/13


I know Markv, that was the exact point I was saying to Peter, I don't have to believe anything you say.

We are truly FREE in Christ, who is nothing like you or any totalitarian brow_beater, name calling moron who use words like heretic when you disagree with them.

Jesus yoke truly is one of REST.

Oh and Peter#2

It's kinds like our issues we have now with guns. Do guns kill, or do people kill? Responsible gun owners are not responsible for drive by killings, aiming their gun at total strangers, getting themselves killed and others.

They know how to keep their gun in their holster.
---kathr4453 on 2/23/13


Kathr, you don't have to believe what I teach. I don't give you the truth to convince you, I give you the Truth to expose your false teachings. You speak of things you don't know, as Cluny said concerning marriage. You speak of God and turn around and give the glory to man in Salvation, you speak against the eternal Sonship of Christ, without learning about Christ, the reason you posted the question so others like David and Scott could agree with you, you speak of salvation, and know zero about salvation.
Glory to Christ, and hope many more will expose your evil heart.
"Anyone who denies the Father and the Son is antichrist" (1 John 2:22). You deny the Son is eternal like all cults you make the Son a created god.
---Mark_V. on 2/23/13




Peter:

As far as the Roman Catholic church teaching being cult-like because they teach people that if they leave they will be condemned (i.e. to hell), this is fairly common among others. Evangelicals also teach this (i.e. if you're born again and turn away, you go to hell). Muslims do too (if you're a Muslim and convert to any other religion, not only do you go to hell, but other Muslims will kill you- and this happens frequently).

There is even a group called Fundamentalists Anonymous that deals with the cult-like mental traumas that many people who leave Christian fundamenalism often experience.
---StrongAxe on 2/23/13


Interesting where I live the news stations reported he is leaving due to poor health! I find it amusing if it's "really due to" his staff abusing children worldwide. I'm unsure how going after an elderly man in a robe calling himself pope through the catholic religion serves anyone (other than exploitation of the sexaully abused) because vast majority accused who actually committed the sexual abuse on children escaped any punishment through court systems anyway!!! It seems like a pointless waste of time that is really only mocking the victims.
---Follower_of_Christ on 2/23/13


\\So tell me, cluny, who ENFORCES the NO MARRIAGE law in the RCC? \\

Doesn't it bother you to pop off about things you know nothing about?

There is no "no marriage law" in the Roman Catholic Church, as marriage is a sacrament therein.

Now, if you're talking about clerical celibacy--a discipline and NOT a doctrine--I personally know several MARRIED Roman Catholic priests in good standing in my city.

BTW, what does clerical celibacy have to do with pedophilia? The first does not cause the second. And there are married pedophiles in the ministry of Protestant churches. I could tell you about some scandals I saw before I got saved and became Orthodox.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/23/13


\\Sometimes the only true justice can come from God.
\\

This is PRECISELY what I meant when I said, "Then let the Lord deal with such."

BTW, a nun is NOT the female equivalent of a priest.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/23/13



---Peter on 2/22/13

Peter, on #1 , since the RCC has been in it's controlling power telling people if they didn't believe they would be condemned. You mean believe the RCC's version of what? Salvation? They even went as far as inquisitions and murdered people who refused to believe their version, and that was settled through the reformation. People actually won their independence from the RCC. These were called Protestants or in definition, to Protest Catholicism.

Markv is a totalitarian here on line, a throwback from this darkage of time telling people they are condemned for not believing his version of salvation, that is, "that no one can believe unless God picks your name out of a hat".. DO I HAVE A LAW SUIT?
---kathr4453 on 2/23/13




A grand jury has indicted a 98-year-old woman on a second-degree-murder charge for allegedly killing her 100-year-old roommate in a dispute over the room they shared at a nursing home in Dartmouth.//

Must be nice to be A Pope.
---kathr4453 on 2/22/13


Kathr4453: 'Correction Peter, the crimes against Humanity are that of the sexual abuse in the church.'Those two individuals list a wide range of accusations. You can find at the international criminal court (two years ago)....

The accusations are against the Pope as the leader of the catholic church for
1) Arranging a 'totalitarian church' (telling people if they do not believe they will be condemned)
2) Being responsible for AIDS in developing countries for semi-obvious reasons.....
3) The pedophile issue

Kathr4453 and: the first case..... was refused by the international criminal court - they refused to hear it.

So even if someone brings it again, why would they hear it the second time if they refused it before?
---Peter on 2/22/13


StrongAxe, AMEN brother!!! I agree with you. I believe God has a special love for the fatherless and the widows, i.e. those that cannot help themselves.

On the judgement day I believe God's people will rejoice as God cast the wicked into the Lake of Fire for the things they've done to his people. On that day the blood of righteous Able will be satisfied.

Please do not get me wrong, I know the truth is that we would all be be eternally seperated from God if it were not for the sacrifice of his holy Son! Thanks be to God for his amazing grace!
---trey on 2/22/13


He is NOT responsible for enforcing criminal law all over the world.

Glory to jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/22/13


What a poor excuse you give here Cluny. Who said anything about enforcing criminal law around the world. So tell me, cluny, who ENFORCES the NO MARRIAGE law in the RCC?

I that a criminal LAW or just a LAW of the RCC. Yet that one is enforced or guess what YOU'RE OUT, not moved around to cover up your marriage and children!
---kathr4453 on 2/22/13


\\Yea WHY, why should he have a dignified existance in his remaining years, when he is responsible for robbing countless children a dignified life all their years. \\

Please give the name of ONE child that B16 is directly responsible for victimizing.

Jed, I usually choose my words carefully, letting my "Yes" be yes, and my "No" mean no.

If you do not understand what I said the first time, you won't understand any explanation.

I have never defended either pedophiles or pedophilia here, and have nothing to add.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/22/13


"It is absolutely necessary" that he stays in the Vatican, said the source, adding that Benedict should have a "dignified existence" in his remaining years.
---kathr4453 on 2/22/13

Yea WHY, why should he have a dignified existance in his remaining years, when he is responsible for robbing countless children a dignified life all their years.

And because Vatican City is it's own country, they can harbor this criminal.

That's probably another reason he has to retire and not travel....if traveling outside Vatican City, he can be arrested.

It's just the old Roman Empire in DRAG...no pun intended.
---kathr4453 on 2/22/13


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\\Joseph Ratzinger: the Hitler Youth,\\ All young German who were not Jewish were FORCED to join the Hitler Youth during this time. He did not do so willingly.

\\ told American Bishops that purgatory awaited any of them who did not cover up priestly child rape.\\

Please give the exact speech or document in which he said this, kathr. Otherwise, you are spreading slander.

**he was in charge of those pedophiles to be moved to different locations and not bringing them out for criminal acts against humanity. **

Please give the name of ONE pedophile that B16 moved from one place to another, and the places involved.

He is NOT responsible for enforcing criminal law all over the world.

Glory to jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/22/13


Nearly 86 years old, the resigned Pope may spend the rest of his life in Vatican City under self imposed house arrest? At his advanced age, where in the world do we think he needs or even wants to go?!

Accusers?! Let us also remember Satan is "the Accuser".

Were I Pope I'd, at a minimum, have defrocked the perverted priests (never to be restored as priest), but given them the opportunity to seek repentance & spiritual restoration from God. ZERO TOLERANCE! But, that's easy for me to say since I'm not the Pope.

P.S. Forced celebacy is unbiblical & obviously extremely problematic in the Catholic Church. Priest & nuns should be allowed to marry to keep from burning (1 Cor. 7:9).
---Leon on 2/22/13


Mark_V.:

I do not excuse horrible crimes, just say we must be precise whom we accuse.

Some priests were abusers. Those who covered it up were NOT, just complicit. Those who DECADES LATER investigated, were no more guilty than overworked CPS workers. we who just point this out are not guilty at all.


Jed:

You said: Cluny responded with "Do you mean secular criminal law?"

Not defense - just asking for clarification of what you said.


trey:

Many crimes are so heinous that no court can give justice. How much can arresting 80-year-old (or dead) priests help? Could we execute bin Laden thousands of times, or stalin millions? Sometimes the only true justice can come from God.
---StrongAxe on 2/22/13


Cluny, It is not slander. That is how I understood what you were saying. If that is not what you meant, then please enlighten me and explain what you meant when you said "Let the Lord deal with them". Were you or were you not suggesting that they should answer only to God? If not, what was your reason in saying that? I truly thought that's what you meant. Please help me understand what you were saying. I can't imagine what else someone could mean by that.
---Jed on 2/22/13


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Correction Peter, the crimes against Humanity are that of the sexual abuse in the church.

Joseph Ratzinger: the Hitler Youth, told American Bishops that purgatory awaited any of them who did not cover up priestly child rape. Even among fellow Cardinals, he was known as "Joe the Rat".

Then of coarse there is the money laundering scandel too.
---kathr4453 on 2/22/13


Strongaxe, you really surprise me by standing for the excuses Cluny is giving against one of the most terrible acts against children that there is. You of all people. He is defending their actions by giving excuses for them. The Pope is responsible, he was in charge of those pedophiles to be moved to different locations and not bringing them out for criminal acts against humanity. That is why nothing is ever done for this guys, because so many feel no one should speak against them. They wear the name of the Lord, people trust them with their children. Instead of speaking for the children, you speak for Cluny's cause. Instead of been outraged at their pedophiles, you are outrage at me for bringing the Truth out.
---Mark_V. on 2/22/13


Peter, The crimes against humanity are a totally different issue, those going back to WWII, and his as well as the RCC 's involvement with the SS. This man's hands have been dirty for quite some time.

They have already admitted guilt on this issue. However he is being given Diplomatic immunity. Diplomatic immunity is not saying not guilty, it just means he won't be charged for his crime.

We give diplomatic immunity to others here, who are GUILTY of offenses. They can come here and get away with crimes.
---kathr4453 on 2/22/13


Pope Benedict's decision to live in the Vatican after he resigns will provide him with security and privacy. It will also offer legal protection from any attempt to prosecute him in connection with sexual abuse cases around the world, Church sources and legal experts say.

"His continued presence in the Vatican is necessary, otherwise he might be defenseless. He wouldn't have his immunity, his prerogatives, his security, if he is anywhere else," said one Vatican official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

"It is absolutely necessary" that he stays in the Vatican, said the source, adding that Benedict should have a "dignified existence" in his remaining years.
---kathr4453 on 2/22/13


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\\Did Cluny ever say anything EVEN REMOTELY resembling this? If not, see my comment above.
---StrongAxe on 2/21/13

Yes she did.\\Thank you, Jed. Your slander richly blesses me and increases my heavenly treasure. Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/21/13


C...I believe that is the LAW, not my opinion.

Take Jesus death. WHO actually killed Jesus? Well, the Gentiles did..the ROMANS. However GOD had also held Israel guilty too. Is that fair. They didn't personally nail him to a cross, did they? However scripture tells us Peter said, they crucified The Lord.
---kathr4453 on 2/21/13


. An accomplice is someone who assists in the commission of the crime, even if they aren't present during it. It is possible for one person to be charged with all three offenses: conspiracy, accomplice and the crime itself, if it is carried out.

Although conspiracy is a decidedly controversial charge, it can land you in prison for several years.

He is guilty of conspiracy, making himself an accomplice to cover up horrible CRIMES.
---kathr4453 on 2/21/13


There are two problems with the 'Crimes Against Humanity', which I realised when I read the accusation

1) The accusation against the criminal court was actually filed in February 2011

2) It does not actually accuse the Pope himself of anything - it just accuses the Catholic Church, and just places the Pope's name because the International Criminal Court needs a person's name

One section is basically an accusation of Christianity in general - that anyone who does not repent will not be saved!!

Is the Pope, or the Church to be blamed for saying that? But the two people who accuse the Pope use that as an accusation! They say that telling people they will not be saved if they do not repent is a 'Crime Against Humanity'
---Peter on 2/21/13


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Did Cluny ever say anything EVEN REMOTELY resembling this? If not, see my comment above.
---StrongAxe on 2/21/13

Yes she did.

Firstly, when Trey suggested that we have a responsibility to protect children by dealing with these child molesters, she argued by saying "Let the Lord deal with them", suggesting that they should be held accountable only to God.

Secondly, Cluny made comments where she minimizes these priests' crimes of child molestation by comparing them to sins that Christians struggle with in ever day life.

Thirdly, when Trey said "No man or priest should be above the law", Cluny responded with "Do you mean secular criminal law?"
---Jed on 2/21/13


\\I believe covering up a crime, one that you personally help cover up, makes YOU just as guilty as the ones who did it. \\ kathr, the law is based on what is actually written, not what you believe.
---C on 2/21/13


We certainly don't want to confuse Strongaxe with the FACTS, so it appears he has made up his mind here too.

The RCC is a strange group of bedfellows. A secret society keeping what they do in SECRET a secret.

That's my definitions of a CULT.
---kathr4453 on 2/21/13


I believe covering up a crime, one that you personally help cover up, makes YOU just as guilty as the ones who did it. Prisons are full of these too.

Shame on you Strongaxe.
---kathr4453 on 2/21/13


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\\Cluny, your defending pedophiles just like they defend them within the RCC. \\I have never defended pedophiles, and you can give no quote where I did. Since you are bearing false witness against me, in defiance of the Ten Commandments, I believe that YOU are not saved, MarkV.Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/21/13


Cluny, if a man were to abuse you or your family would you want to see some justice delt to this man or would you just say, "Oh well, the Lord will deal with him."???
---trey on 2/21/13


Mark_V.:

You said: Cluny, your defending pedophiles...

Cluny specifically defended the Pope (per this blog TOPIC). Without evidence he PERSONALLY abused anyone, he is NOT a pedophile, and calling him one bears false witness. This means Cluny isn't defending a pedophile, so saying he does is ALSO false witness. I'm amazed at how many people on these blogs bend over backwards to defend the Nine Commandments, while violating that one as freely as one throws rice at weddings.

Jed:

You said You think people should be allowed to rape little children with no consequence

Did Cluny ever say anything EVEN REMOTELY resembling this? If not, see my comment above.
---StrongAxe on 2/21/13


\\So JamesL, you believe people should be allowed to rape children without consequence? \\
---Jed on 2/20/13

\\Doesn't the U.S. government do the same thing? Look at...Benghazi!\\
---Jed on 2/20/13

\\Then let the Lord deal with such.\\
---Cluny on 2/21/13

\\What an incredibly sick comment!\\
---Jed on 2/21/13


Jed, you think people are "sick" for leaving such matters in the hands of God.

You have a subjective, emotional, world-centered Christianity. Your hope is centered around how this world behaves and handles its finances and politics.

You're a religious zealot with no faith in the justice of God, preferring to take matters into your own hands

now THAT is sick
---James_L on 2/21/13


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\\The way I see it, even if man fails to deal with these devils the Lord will.
---trey on 2/21/13
\\

Then let the Lord deal with such.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/21/13


What an incredibly sick comment! You think people should be allowed to rape little children with no consequence? How sick!
---Jed on 2/21/13


\\The way I see it, even if man fails to deal with these devils the Lord will.
---trey on 2/21/13
\\

Then let the Lord deal with such.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/21/13


Cluny,

No man should be above secular criminal law and no man is above the moral law of God. The way I see it, even if man fails to deal with these devils the Lord will.
---trey on 2/21/13


Peter, you will see that this Pope, Benedict WAS in charge of all sexual abuse cases before he became Pope. YES that is what the issue is HE DID NOT DO HIS JOB. He was part of the cover up....

I think many feel he is going to go into hiding....

How can anyone excuse child abuse rape in any way shape or form and be so arrogant as to make a statement...you mean above civil law? Since when is anyone above civil law. Paul never taught Christians were above civil law. We are to OBEY those laws our governm,ent has set over us...
---kathr4453 on 2/21/13


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Trish: This is a silly comment from an international law matter.

IF the Pope is the head of the Catholic Church he can be charged with what happened WHILE HE WAS HEAD OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH - but most of the problems were before

If he is not - he cannot be charged criminally EXCEPT WHERE HE LIVED

You can look up the matters of international law

Someone online, as always, has been FEEDING NONSENSE

This is a problem with the interned - people do not have to tell the truth

The problem of truth first appeared in C.S.Lewis 'Screwtape Letters', some 50 years ago, and it gets worse each year
---Peter on 2/20/13


\\No man or priest should be above the law.\\

Do you mean secular criminal law?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/21/13


Cluny, your defending pedophiles just like they defend them within the RCC. When I said in the faith you knew I meant believers in Christ, unless you believe they are not saved. Then you defend it again by saying everyone sins. Of course everyone sins. I don't know of believers raping children in the hundreds or thousands if the real truth came out. What you are doing is covering up and excusing those who take advantage of little children. This man know God, make a promise towards the Lord, and believers expose their kids to them because they are suppose to be holy with all their holy garments, and they in turn use their positions to take advantage of little children. We know this is not going away, hundreds of more cases are going to come out.
---Mark_V. on 2/21/13


HBO just did a documentary that came out 1 week before his resignation.

It's well worth watching, if you have the stomach for such things.

My daughter watched it, and tears were running down her face. Even now, just talking about it, she cannot control her emotions, being so overcome with grief. Her being the mother of two small sons, her compassion for these , now men telling their stories of SEXUAL ABUSE...forced sexual acts on these boys, is RAPE Cluny.

They even opened schools for the deaf and dumb for the sole purpose of abusing those they though couldn't tell anyone.

WRONG!
---kathr4453 on 2/21/13


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Jas1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Too many times we take our eyes off the real topic. Should we not protect those that cannot protect themselves and care for those in need?

Should we foresake justice?
Job8:3 Doth God pervert judgment? or doth the Almighty pervert justice?

No man or priest should be above the law.

Lord bless the victims!
---trey on 2/20/13


\\Cluny...There are lots of people attending churches and preaching in pulpits for are not "in the faith" as their lives do not show it.
---KarenD on 2/20/13\\

This is what God's Word says on the matter to YOU, KarenD

2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith, prove your own selves.

I'm sure that anyone who followed you around for a couple of hours could tell you faults and failings you have you never dreamed of.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/20/13


clunY:

you said: Celibacy does NOT cause pedophilia. It happens in the polytheistic FLDS cult as well. Look at Warren Jeffs.

Did you mean polygamous (because both words DO apply, but the latter is more germane to this discussion).
---StrongAxe on 2/20/13


Cluny...There are lots of people attending churches and preaching in pulpits for are not "in the faith" as their lives do not show it.
---KarenD on 2/20/13


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So JamesL, you believe people should be allowed to rape children without consequence? Not surprised that you feel that way since you think human trafficking is acceptable.
---Jed on 2/20/13


**No pedophile should be considered as "in the faith" as MarkV suggested.
---KarenD on 2/20/13**

That means if MarkV or KarenD have any sins, or even temptations or sinful inclinations that are unchosen, they should not be considered "in the faith", either.

Why should merely disreputable sins and temptations mean that one is not "in the faith", when your own can be disastrous.

Good point, JamesL.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/20/13


Maybe every sinner should be thrown in jail.

Then again, which of us would be left to stand guard?
---James_L on 2/20/13


No pedophile should be considered as "in the faith" as MarkV suggested.
---KarenD on 2/20/13


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\\"Actually, over half of pedophiles are married."

you are talking about those outside the faith right?\\

I'm talking about current statistics. Whether one's faith is included in these statistics I don't know.

\\I believe the office was called,
"The congregation of the Christian faith"\\

Actually, it's the Congregation of the DOCTRINE of the Faith. Josef Cardinal Ratziger was head of it only a few years and had a staff of only 40 to deal with tens of thousands of accusations.

Secular social workers dealing with all forms of child abuse are similarly short staffed and overworked, but nobody wants to take them to the ICC for their mishandling of things.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/20/13


Cluny, you say,

"Actually, over half of pedophiles are married."

you are talking about those outside the faith right?Those of the world do all kinds of evil acts, They know not God. But those who belong to Christ represent the Lord. People knell before this guys. Catholics even defend the ones that commit this acts. Pope Benedict was the bishop in charge of all the cases of sexual molestations? Every case went to him. I believe the office was called,
"The congregation of the Christian faith" I'm sure this weighted heavy on his decision to step down. Maybe if they allowed marriage, some of those acts would stop. Just one bishop in Ireland molested close to 200 children, nothing was ever done.
---Mark_V. on 2/20/13


Doesn't the U.S. government do the same thing? Look at what happened to the officials responsible for Benghazi! No one was held accountable for all those deaths. The entire white house administration lied to cover up what happened. And when people were exposed, they were simply transferred to other positions in the administration instead of being fired or charged with a crime. Our own president lied to cover up what happened. Look at the Fast and Furious program. The entire white house administration is covering up what happened and refusing to allow the officials responsible to be brought to justice.
---Jed on 2/20/13


\\I blame the Church for not allowing priest to be married, that would not solve everything but it would help.\\

Actually, over half of pedophiles are married.

Celibacy does NOT cause pedophilia. It happens in the polytheistic FLDS cult as well. Look at Warren Jeffs.

And any Roman Catholic will tell you that clerical celibacy is not and never has been a belief, but a discipline. This, however, is a subject for another thread.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/19/13


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\\The specific example I mentioned is cited in the charges by one of the two agencies. I'm not going to research the specifics of the charges just because you are cynical.\\

In other words, you cannot support what you are saying, Trish.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/19/13


bike, you are right about the politicians, but you have to remember they are of the world. Petophiles do not get the sentence they deserve. We now have millions of them living next to all of us. But it is not hypocrisy for a Church member to do this acts since he represents someone godly. They do this acts even when they know they are workers for the Lord. The world are not workers for the Lord, they are doing the desires of their father the devil. I blame the Church for not allowing priest to be married, that would not solve everything but it would help. They use to allow them before. But they keep changing their beliefs.
They now hide them so no one will know, move them to another place where they do it again.
---Mark_V. on 2/19/13


Politicians should be charged with crimes against humanity in abusing the unborn in policies that murder the least among us. The courts themselves go against the scriptures in their judgments. It is rather HYPOCRISY charging the pope with mishandling the priest when our governing officials worse than that abuse children by policies.
---bike on 2/18/13


Nobody is facing criminal charges for anything. The fact that a few people have petitioned the international court to file charges doesn't mean anything unless and until the court ACTUALLY decides to file those charges.
---StrongAxe on 2/18/13


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Cluny: The specific example I mentioned is cited in the charges by one of the two agencies. I'm not going to research the specifics of the charges just because you are cynical. If you don't want to believe what I posted, don't. Won't change the fact that the charges were filed.
---Trish on 2/18/13


Well, this can decoy us from dealing with what is really going on. To have such evil people making it into the priesthood is just the tip of an iceberg much deeper . . . I mean if pew members and seminary screeners and bishops can't tell the difference between a person of God's love and someone who betrays children.

To betray the trust of a child is deeply sick with evil, a work of hatred, not only of preference for how to get sexual pleasure. So, why could so many people fool themselves into thinking such deeply evil people are qualified and good pastors?

We all can fool ourselves, like this . . . haven't we? But it's easier to point the finger at somebody else. But Jesus makes His "sheep" able to tell the difference.
---willie_c: on 2/18/13


Trish, the same reports that he kept secret 19 bishops who have abused children have come out in our newspapers. It has to be one of the most shameful things they permitted and still permit within the RCC. Accused bishops maintain their titles, priest and bishops remain priest and bishops forever, regardless of what happens to them or what they do says bishop Aymond of Texas. When John Paul 11 was pope he admitted the persecution of the Jews to the Jews when he met them. Now we have a pope stepping down for something worse, as the reports show. Terrible things have been kept secret, that might be why the pope is convicted to step down. No one has a perfect report, because so much has been hidden by the Vatican.
---Mark_V. on 2/18/13


\\ It's because when he was a cardinal he was covering up the abuse these children's were victims of. \\

Please give one specific example.

Bet you can't.

**I believe that the Catholic church ought to clean house from top to bottom. Get some God-called people in there.
---pat on 2/17/13**

The same should be done with your own church, pat. Clear house from top to bottom and get God-called people in there.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/18/13


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He's been given sanctuary in the Vatican.

This is probably for protection from the media. Not crimially but just for peace.
---Scott1 on 2/18/13


Please tell me the name of ONE clerical pedophile that Pope Benedict, before or after his accession, is responsible for moving "overseas." Tell when it was done, and from where to where.

\\but trying to give information as to why Pope Benedict stepped down\\

But that not why he's abdicating the papacy. It's because of his health.

Among other infirmities, he suffered a concussion a couple of years ago AND has had heart surgery both before and after his elevation.

Just before his election, he intended to retire, but got a big surprise.

Glory to jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/18/13


Karen: I am the same Trish.

Cluny: Ratziger is being charged for his duties in the Vatican BEFORE his rise to Pope. Part of the problem is that the Church has been moving priest offenders overseas, which involved the Vatican. Plus, it's not just a problem in the United States.

I was not surprised by the charges, but trying to give information as to why Pope Benedict stepped down. He's been given sanctuary in the Vatican.
---Trish on 2/17/13


It's about time. And it's not because he's pope now that he's getting blamed. It's because when he was a cardinal he was covering up the abuse these children's were victims of. Too bad there is no hell for him to burn in
---Lucky on 2/17/13


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I believe that the Catholic church ought to clean house from top to bottom. Get some God-called people in there.
---pat on 2/17/13


Why the surprise, the pope, just like any religious leader, is a just mortal man.
---michael_e on 2/17/13


\\Cluny: My source is the New York Times\\

The NYT has never been friendly to Christianity, especially lately.

The real question is whether the International Criminal Court has any jurisdiction in this case. Joseph Ratziger cannot be blamed for what happened before he became Pope Benedict.

BTW, parish and other priests are NOT considered "employees of the Vatican" in church law, unless they actually WORK for and in the Holy See. The are incardinated in their respective dioceses and considered employees of these dioceses.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/17/13


It appears as if this is not the "Trish" who has posted on this blog for years. The Trish I know would not post something like this.
---KarenD on 2/17/13


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Forty years ago, it was believed that pedophiles could be rehabilitated with the proper therapy. In an effort to "rescue the wandering sheep," and salvage his ministry. many priests were told to go into such rehab. (And priests were not the only ones who did so, btw.)

There was also the understandable need not only to protect the abusing priest's reputation, but ALSO the reputation and privacy of the victims and families.

We know know better. Pedophiles simply do NOT stop this predatory behavior.

This may not excuse how this sordid mess was handled, it may explain it.

BTW, many pedophiles (of both sexes) are heterosexually married.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/17/13


Cluny: My source is the New York Times. Two separate agencies which do advocacy for victims of priest sexual abuse filed the charges with the International Criminal Court in the Hague. They are also charging three other priests at the Vatican. Google it, or check the New York Times website, if you don't believe me.
---Trish on 2/17/13


And what is your source for this intelligence?

Who said it?

If indeed the present Bishop of Rome were facing criminal charges, WHAT government is issuing them?

WHO is accusing him?

Is it against Pope Benedict XVI? Or simply against Joseph Ratzinger personally?

I would love to hear your answers, Trish.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/17/13


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