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Having many times had to move around to find work, I have read 2 Thessalonians 3:10 'if any one will not work, let him not eat'
But what about those who cannot find work?

Moderator - There is always work even if you need to wait on tables.

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I suspect it would be hard for the US government to just ignore a law that has been in existence for almost 100 years.
---Peter on 3/23/13


That happens all the time in the U.S. The president constantly oversteps laws that have been in place since the founding of our country. Our constitution is over 220 years old and every single article of the constitution is currently being violated by the U.S. government. Just one example: Same-sex marriage has always been illegal in every U.S. State. And the Defense of Marriage Act which was signed into law by Pres. Clinton in 1996 officially banned same-sex marriage federally. However, Obama has told judges and military chaplins to ignore this law.
---Jed on 3/24/13


Jed, I do not own a TV set, so I don't know what they say! I read the newspapers, and get other stuff online!

I suspect it would be hard for the US government to just ignore a law that has been in existence for almost 100 years.

They do even more expensive things, of course, so they don't get tested - like feeding billions of dollars into the banks so they DON'T go bust!

I'm not an economist, so I don't know if there is a good reason

In Cyprus they gave up on that idea, but still the banks can't give out your cash! What will happen I don't know
---Peter on 3/23/13


Peter, you are correct about The New York Times being liberal. I was referring to the liberal television news networks. And that's not to say that they didn't mention it briefly. But they probably spent more time discussing Lady Gaga's latest wardrobe than they did about this horrible atrocity in Cypress.

Peter, you are correct that the U.S. Government would never be able to fulfill their guarantee of $100,000 to the depositors. But how long has it been since the U.S. government ever kept a single promise to it's citizens? Look at our Social Security system. I place no faith or credit in the U.S. government. They would be more interested in funding the Muslim Brotherhood than fulfilling their pledge to the American people.
---Jed on 3/23/13


Jed: It's reported in the so-called liberal ones too, actually (New York Times is liberal I'd say!)

Although, you know, if 75% of the banks went bust (as in Cyprus), the US Government would NOT have enough money to pay the up to $100,000 that the law says they have to..... The US government would also go bust!
---Peter on 3/22/13


Peter, yes. I have heard about this recently from the conservative news (the mainstream liberal media here in the U.S. will not talk about stuff like this). It's absolutely disgusting the government having that much power. It's terrible.
---Jed on 3/22/13




Its all too easy to judge when only God knows all.

I need to move and find work. I cannot afford anything in my area. So I have considered having my teens stay with family so they remain in school while I get situated. I am being considered for a position requiring living on premises, a single room. I am interested in the work, but my heart breaks over my children. I dont want to abandon them though I would be close to where they would be staying.
---a_single_parent on 3/22/13


Jed: This was in Cyprus. No, no money was owed to anyone. The government was short on money, so they wanted to take money from the bank accounts. .... Currently, all the banks are closed, and have been closed for the past 10 days.

An order had been sent 15 days ago to remove all the money from that account, but the bank kept asking for more papers.

Now one of the banks has been turned into a Cypriot 'Lehman Brothers' - it will be closed. It's not the one I had the money in, but it will surely mean more time before I can get any money out of the country - and probably not all the money
---Peter on 3/21/13


Peter, what country did this happen in? Did you owe back taxes or something or they just come and take the money out of people's bank accounts for no reason? I think if I lived in a country where the government just goes around taking money out of people's bank accounts for no reason at all then I would stop putting my money in the banks.
---Jed on 3/17/13


James: I agree with you and disagree with the Moderator. There are many places with no paying work whatsoever (thanks to the evil dictator Obama). I have been in dire financial straits with no work before, but have always been sustained and NEVER went hungry by claiming the promise:

Php 4:19 But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.



---jerry6593 on 3/17/13


Well, Jed and Follower: I just heard that I just got hit by an interesting one.

I will not complain, bit I do say it is not too pleasant.... back home, I just heard that 7% of the money in my bank account got 'taken' by the government to fill the government account hole.....

I just mean both of you, instead of arguing, should be happy you can put money in the bank and be SURE it'll be there tomorrow

In other countries, even that does not happen!
---Peter on 3/16/13




Follower, your desperate attacks do nothing for your argument. Grow up and take responsibility and quit playing the victim of "corporate America". Responsible adults do whatever is necessary to make an honest wage for their family. There is no work that they are too good for. That's what responsible adults do. You sound like some cry baby union liberal that would rather sit around collecting unemployment than get an honest, hard-working job, that you consider to be beneath you. I find much more dignity in the McDonald's workers that look down upon than in someone like you who refuses to work. There's no dignity in that. Just stubborn pride.
---Jed on 3/16/13


You think the people working at McDonalds don't wish they had a better job? Or are you just better than the rest of us?

You're more a fool than I originally thought by taking a highly irrational emotionally charged approach thinking it serves your lopsided ignorant and uneducated opinion on unemployment and your lying punchline serves your stupid view.

Your arrogant position champions corporate america for hiring highly skilled workers at decent wages who then layoff workers through deception to create more profit for the company.

You personally want to punish unemployed having them slave away applying at every low-skilled job because they are available.
---Follower_of_Christ on 3/16/13



Follower, I already explained to you how people that collect unemployment collect MUCH more than they ever paid in because they are also collecting money that other people paid in


Jed I have already explained your ignorant rationalizations. It appears youre bent on punishing people because they were laid off (which ironically) is exactly what corporate america is now doing! Layoffs are now done to trim highly paid workers and hire them back at lower wages, it is also used to get rid of other "problem" workers as deemed by management rather than the legal process established by fair labor.

You champion the almighty corporate machine, like Enron or Worldcom.
---Follower_of_Christ on 3/16/13


Follower, I already explained to you how people that collect unemployment collect MUCH more than they ever paid in because they are also collecting money that other people paid in and will never be able to get back. I didn't say it is wrong to get on unemployment TEMPORARILY until you can find work. I said it's wrong to pass up work or not even apply at places you know are hiring so you can continue to collect unemployment, simply because you think that work is beneath you. How arrogant! You think nobody else has to work at a job they don't like? You think nobody else works at jobs that pay less than they deserve? You think the people working at McDonalds don't wish they had a better job? Or are you just better than the rest of us?
---Jed on 3/14/13


moderato is correct on this one. the want ads are full of jobs but people don't want to work a lowly paying job or a job that isn't socially acceptable. my mom and dad worked the cotton mill. we were very poor but we didn't have welfare then either. all one has to do is look.
---shira4368 on 3/14/13


Sitting around getting paid for nothing and refusing jobs because that work is beneath you is wrong.

Jed your backward opinion is speculative demonstrating a significant lack of knowledge or maybe your refusal to gain understanding.

If a worker paid into a benefit of unemployment they are entitled to use it if needed. To claim they are doing nothing is wildly absurd and you know the old adage about assumptions you only make a fool of yourself.

Again, skilled and professional workers should never WASTE their time applying for jobs that pay below their unemployment benefit (seeing most mangers would not hire them) when their time is much better and constructively used seeking employment for their level of work.
---Follower_of_Christ on 3/14/13


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Peter, the job situation is NOT that bad. There are jobs to be had everywhere. Thing is, most of them are entry level positions. Someone who was laid off making $60k is not going to bust their rear making minimum wage when they are receiving $30k for doing nothing. Obviously that is the unethical thing to do, but that is the real reason the unemployment rate is so high. It's not that there are no jobs, its that the government has enabled people to live a better life not working than if they actually went and got a job. The right thing to do is to get a job, even if it is "unsuitable", and try to find a better job in the meantime. Sitting around getting paid for nothing and refusing jobs because that work is beneath you is wrong.
---Jed on 3/13/13


Follower: I know we all want to get a job that is 'suitable' but still, there are enough times when we will have to take a job that is not, just so we know we are still doing something 'useful' - even though we do not want to. But if that also means we will get paid less, we might not

Jed: Your point about staying on unemployment if it pays more than the best job is true, but I doubt it is that common that jobs pay less than unemployment - or has the job situation got that bad?

At least the US has much lower unemployment than Europe does!
---Peter on 3/13/13


Yes I believe ALL on unemployment should be looking for a job and be willing take anything they can get.

Well then you certainly are entitled to your personal beliefs, just because I don't benefit from unemployment I don't hate-on those who require it because their employers were irresponsible and hired on too many workers only to let them go for employers financial gain. The purpose of unemployment is to allow the worker the ability to find suitable work for their skills and career path and receive a small income in process. As I already stated no wage earner with good work ethic is staying on unemployment to collect less money if they COULD find a job at their previous income. Your speculation is groundless.
---Follower_of_Christ on 3/12/13


Follower, that is incorrect. Unemployment is no different then social security. Yes, everyone pays into it (a little). But not all get approved to get it back. Most people will never get back a dime of what they paid into unemployment. And the ones who do get approved for unemployment collect far more than what they ever paid, they are only able to do this because some people who pay never get to collect. Exactly how social security works. Everyone pays, but NOT everyone collects. Which by definition makes it just another social/entitlement program. Yes I believe ALL on unemployment should be looking for a job and be willing take anything they can get.
---Jed on 3/12/13


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Jed I truly believe you have mixed a welfare with unemployment benefits.

Welfare requires nothing from recipient for money received for doing nothing, most have been on it (through various loopholes for life)

Unemployment is a benefit that all wage earners in USA pay into (while once working) to provide them with wages if they are unemployed. These people are not the same as welfare recipients.

Your philosophy is backwards it appears you suggest an unemployed person once making (say $30.00/hr) should go out and work a minimum wage job at $8.00 and NOT collect unemployment (a benefit they paid into) at (say $15.00/hr) because you personally and ignorantly believe they are lazy??? rubbish!
---Follower_of_Christ on 3/12/13


Mi>unemployement is not forever, further, anybody with work ethic would not pass by better wages to sit around collecting unemployment because it "pays"
---Follower_of_Christ on 3/10/13

Follower, I didn't say they would pass up better wages, I said they would pass up LOWER wages than what they make on unemployment. Alot of people are making more collecting enemployment than they would if they went and got an entry level job, that's what I said. And nobody suggested unemployment lasts forever, but the government keeps extending it so that many people are collecting unemployment for years instead than getting another job. People will stay on it as long as they can.
---Jed on 3/10/13



Follower, I think the fact of the matter is that experienced professionals do not even bother applying for non-skilled jobs because they already make more money collecting unemployment


unemployement is not forever, further, anybody with work ethic would not pass by better wages to sit around collecting unemployment because it "pays"

Peter, correct here in USA people laid off from their jobs under appearance (lie) of "downsizing" then offered same job by same employer at half their pay usually without benefits, and today many companies blacklist job applicants (regardless of experience) who have a layoff. Add in months of seeking work chances become bleak
---Follower_of_Christ on 3/10/13


Follower: That is probably true, though I have not tried to get a job at Wendy's recently!

I do not know much about the seeking low-skilled jobs in the US, I just know that there are also places where you just can't find any job, whoever you are.

But I have found, from my former housemate, that the US is a very harsh place if you can't find work, even for two months!
---Peter on 3/9/13


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Follower, I think the fact of the matter is that experienced professionals do not even bother applying for non-skilled jobs because they already make more money collecting unemployment then they would making minimum wage at McDonalds. If they made $40/hr at a factory and got laid off, and are now collecting $20/hr through unemployment and get to sit at home. They are not going to trade sitting at home collecting $20/hr for doing nothing to go do hard labor at McDonalds for $8/hr. Because they would have to give up their unemployment check when they get a job. Which means they would make more money doing nothing than they would if they went and got a beginner's level job.
---Jed on 3/9/13


In the past 5 years I have heard people using that excuse "I can't find a job" when I have seen "help wanted" signs in every McDonalds and Wendy's around.

Are we talking about adults with years of professional experience or teenagers??

If an adult with professional experience applied for a non-skilled job few (if any managers or at least those with half a brain cell in their head) would hire them. preferring teenager who ditches work sometimes, then invest time to hire and train an adult professional who they know will be a headache for scheduling because their priorities are to find another career. Most adults with professional career backgrounds are **NOT** generally hirable in non-skilled jobs.
---Follower_of_Christf on 3/9/13


The Moderator's statement that one can find work if you are willing to wait on tables..... there are many counties where that is not factually correct

The moderator should not assume the US is the only country in the world
---Peter on 3/6/13


When I left Greece, when I lost my job 3 years ago, 1 of my 16 friends was unemployed.

Now 9 or the 16 are unemployed, together with 26% of the people, and none of the 9 have found a job, even though 3 have been looking for over 2 years.

I worry when God will give even one of them a job......
---Peter on 3/6/13


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2 Thessalonians 3:10 is speaking to the person who makes excuses not to seek work, preferring to sponge off others.

Far different than those who seek work but there is none available because businesses are not hiring.
---jan4378 on 3/6/13


That sounds like another bad excuse for not getting a job. In the past 5 years I have heard people using that excuse "I can't find a job" when I have seen "help wanted" signs in every McDonalds and Wendy's around.
---Jed on 3/6/13


2 Thessalonians 3:10 is speaking to the person who makes excuses not to seek work, preferring to sponge off others.

Far different than those who seek work but there is none available because businesses are not hiring.
---jan4378 on 3/6/13


//The people who are pushing "give til it hurts" almost always have a vested interest in the giving.//

Interesting that you say that, the one I heard last year was, "give til you bleed."
---Rod4Him on 3/5/13


Rod4Him,
I agree. The people who are pushing "give til it hurts" almost always have a vested interest in the giving.

It might be his cousin's "ministry", or maybe his brother-in-law's "ministry"

But they wouldn't have any following at all if people weren't looking to get rich by planting "seeds" for a money tree.

What a shame
---James_L on 3/5/13


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//It probably should have been obvious that it was a typo,//

It was...her numbers were convoluted anyway and didn't make sense. Your point was understood.

anon appears to be a nice person, however, "the word of knowledge," giving all your money, feeding the world, building clinics and so forth sounds great, ...it sounds like these type of churches that want your money and "God is doing all kinds of wonderful things," so give more money and God will do all kinds of wonderful things for you...but you'll have a hard time putting food on the table, which shows you don't have much faith and that's your problem.

...a bit odd that the apparent conclusion was if one had a million dollars then they'd be happy.
---Rod4Him on 3/4/13


\\2% is $20,000, but who is counting?\\
---Rod4Him on 3/4/13

It probably should have been obvious that it was a typo, as anon had mentioned giving 20% of his million to feed hungry people..

also, the fact that I mentioned the leftover 800,000, not 980,000

I'm still curious about the 800k
---James_L on 3/4/13


//Do you know that 2% of one million is only $200,000 ??//

2% is $20,000, but who is counting?

//Unemployment is helping me pay my bills and keeping food on my table.//

but you cashed your 401k, gave much away and don't have much. If you did, you paid a penalty and lots in taxes...not smart. What happened to God giving more than you give? Just saying that things don't add up.

Anyway, I am in Israel, anon, and my wife could use a dentist, where is the clinic you built?
---Rod4Him on 3/4/13


Anon, being foolish and giving all your money to every church around the corner does nothing for you. You need to work and then SAVE your money.
---Jed on 3/3/13


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anon: the 'if you abide in me and my words abide in you' has clearly been taken by some who believe to apply to them when in fact God took that they did not follow that enough them for them to ask Him even for what they needed for everyday needs.

I have two friends who come to me with their 'begging bowl' (metaphorically) because they truly do not have enough money to get by on
---Peter on 3/3/13


anon,
just a couple of points -

Do you know that 2% of one million is only $200,000 ?? That will hardly feed the hungry people all over the world

What would you do with the other 800k ?

Don't the scriptures teach us to not worry about tomorrow, and a promise that God takes care of the birds each day for that day?

Do you need 800k today? or are you worrying about what you can spend it on tomorrow too?

Just curious
---James_L on 3/3/13


Jed, Jed, Jed!!!!

Before judging me, can I share what I've done as "my part?"

I poured $10,000 of my inheritance into a ministry that feeds hungry children. My money also built a dental clinic in Israel and fed lepers in India.

I tithe 20%, not just 10%.
I recently gave 5 ministries $5,000 each when I cashed in my 401K AND Jesus said, "if you abide in me and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish and it SHALL be done for you." I've fed thousands of hungry people. I've worked full time 36 years and plan to send 20% of this million to feed the hungry people ALL OVER the world. Now please repent for judging me, okay? (((Huggs))))
---anon on 3/3/13


Anon, that's not how it works. You don't just ask God for one million dollars and expect him to give it to you. The Lord can help you get a job in which you can work and earn that one million dollars. But just asking God to give something to you without being willing to do your part is not how it works. You sound like on of those silly "name it and claim it" followers.

Was this "word of confirmation" from a television prosperity preacher? Did they tell you to send money to their ministry so that God can richly bless you with millions?
---Jed on 3/2/13


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Update: I have been praying to the Lord for one million dollars.

I got a word of Knowledge last night that "Someone has been asking the Lord for one million dollars and the Lord wants to supply that need and GIVE you that one million dollars. You've been asking for a while, He hears you and it's going to be given to you. It's done in Jesus name.

Now all I have to do is wait for it. I am in close fellowship with God my Father, Jesus His Son and His Holy Spirit. I love them so very much. 30 years of walking with the Lord and I may be finally entering into the promised land. I will tithe 10% of the million dollars when I get it. The taxes will be alot but it's okay, I will pay them.
---anon on 3/2/13


There are still plenty of job's available for people who really are willing to do anything to provide for themselves or their families. Some of the most successful people today are in the position they are because there was no job too low for them when they were starting out.
---Jed on 2/28/13


Moderator:

waiting on tables is a job only available in a good economy. When the economy is bad, there are two problems with it:
1) there are many others ALSO without work, so the competition for wait jobs will be much stiffer (and there may not be enough to go around)
2) in a poor economy, people eat out less (or when they do, they get fast food rather than eating in more expensive sit-down restaurants), so the number of wait jobs available will be even less.
3) Wait jobs pay very poor wages, because the income depends greatly on tips. When times are hard, people have less money to tip with.
---StrongAxe on 2/27/13


I love the Moderator's response. I've been out of work 12 months. I get the phone calls, but no interviews. I'm in my mid 50's and no one wants to hire an older person even though I have 36 years experience working for top level Executives. I'm willing to take a lower type job, but not a boring one where I'd go nuts like I did at my last job. Unemployment is helping me pay my bills and keeping food on my table. I spend lots of time in prayer and studying scriptures. Pray and seek the Lord about a job right for you. He will Provide. His name is Jehovah Jirah, the Lord Our Provider.
---anon on 2/27/13


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---bike4335 on 2/24/13
Appreciating your post
"but only one thing is needed"
"You were bought at a price,.."
"The greatest among you will be your servant"
"Do not muzzle the ox while it is treading out the grain, and The WORKER DESERVES his WAGES."
A few things come to mind.

Ox, aleph

Rom 4:3-5"What does Scripture say? Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness. Now to the one who works, WAGES are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness"
We are Gods WORKmanship, created in Christ Jesus" Eph 2:10
---chria9396 on 2/25/13


Luke 10:40-42
But Martha was distracted by all the preparations that had to be made. She came to him and asked, Lord, dont you care that my sister has left me to do the work by myself? Tell her to help me!

Martha, Martha, the Lord answered, you are worried and upset about many things, but only one thing is needed. Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken away from her.

1 Corinthians 7:23
You were bought at a price, do not become slaves of men.

Matthew 23:11
The greatest among you will be your servant.

Where is the balance?

1 Timothy 5:18
For the Scripture says, Do not muzzle the ox while it is treading out the grain, and The worker deserves his wages.
---bike4335 on 2/24/13


Yes, it says if a person "will" not work. If you helped with the dishes, you worked (c:

Jesus says, "Freely you have received, freely give," in Matthew 10:8. So, if we work in love, we might not require or expect pay.

God is concerned with how you work . . . "Let all that you do be done with love." (1 Corinthians 16:14)
---willie_c: on 2/24/13


Jobs are not plentiful today, many "simple jobs" like waiting tables (although truly not simple) are not there either. table servers generally make less than $3 hour, impossible for most, without table waiting experience to be hired without experience, then earn enough money (assuming tips even though many refuse to tip even with outstanding service) to earn money for transportation and shelter let alone food, however I digress.

point is those who are lazy, refusing to work or refusing to develop skills to work. Will not work is not the same as unable to find work for those who are honestly seeking work, there is a difference, further most professing Christians reject 1 Timothy 5:8 or Luke 15:11-32 and refuse to help their own
---Follower_of_Christ on 2/24/13


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Moderator, sometimes table-waiting jobs cannot even be found.

The key words are "will not work". The poster is not refusing to work. S/He's just having difficulty finding work in this economy. Not the same ething.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/24/13


Matthew 20:1-16 About five in the afternoon he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing?

7 Because no one has hired us, they answered.

He said to them, You also go and work in my vineyard.

When those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each received the same pay. 12 These who were hired last worked only one hour and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.

13 But he answered, I am not unfair to you. Didnt you agree to work for a denarius? 15 Dont I have the right to do what I want with my money? Or are you envious because I am generous?
---born4883 on 2/24/13


1 Samuel 30:21-25
Then David came to the men too exhausted to follow him. They came out to meet David and the men with him. But all the evil men and troublemakers among Davids followers said, Because they did not go out with us, we will not share with them the plunder we recovered. David replied, No, my brothers, you must not do that with what the Lord has given us. He has protected us and delivered into our hands the raiding party that came against us. The share of the man who stayed with the supplies is to be the same as that of him who went down to the battle. All will share alike. David made this an ordinance.

2 Kings 7, men thought not to share, then said. What were doing is not right."

1 Cor 4:7

2 Cor 8:15
---bike4335 on 2/24/13


Peter:

The warning says "if anyone WILL NOT work, let him not eat". It coesn't say "CANNOT work".

This means willful laziness. It doesn't say anything about those who cannot work, either due to illness, or some other impediment (such as being forced to care for a sick relative), or lack of available work, or other reasons.
---StrongAxe on 2/23/13


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Peter,

The moderator is right, but not the way he/she stated it.

There is not always wage-earning work. I know this first-hand because I go weeks with no work sometimes.

Since the middle of December, I have had less than 100 hours of work. 6-8 days between small jobs of one day or less.

But I am always looking to do something. Even if it's cutting down a tree for free because someone in my church is unable, or changing light bulbs at our church campus, working at my son's church-based school for tuition credit, something.

God is faithful to those who trust Him.
---James_L on 2/23/13


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