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Can I Become A Deacon

If I have been married and divorced before having found Christ, confessing my sins , asking Christ into my life , and following him in water baptism. Then having re-married , can I become a deacon, or hold any position in the Lord's church? Or am I bound by 1 Timothy 3:11,12.

Moderator - Depends on the church.

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markv, you are right. I never had anyone in mind when I was posting about biblical dress. I was not suggesting rape is caused by the way someone dresses. rape is caused by evil people who have a one track mind.
---shira4368 on 3/5/13


Karen, I don't think that Shira was suggesting such a thing as you said,
" Are you saying a rape victim is to blame if she or he is dressed immodest???"
I believe it is the responsibility of the woman to dress modest. If she doesn't she opens the door to sin. And in a way she is responsible for someone's actions. If a woman gets in a car with four or five man, she opens the door for the evil within man to come out and show itself. If she walks around in a mini dress, man will lust after her. So she is responsible. Not all man are born again believers, for we don't know the heart of another only God does. Even in a Church. It is mixed with wheat and tares. The answer is, to take responsibility.
---Mark_V. on 3/4/13


Bro. Trey, you are so right when you say,

"The rock spoken of here is Christ! ..The above mentioned verse tells me the Lord still has his church here on earth."

Very true. There are still visible church's out there that Christ build. Most church's have gone to the dogs with their free will doctrines of works of the RCC concerning salvation. I believe the longer God permits us to be here, things will get worse, but God has reserved for Himself a remnant from the Old Testament and even so today.
"...Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. And if by grace, then it is no longer of works, otherwise Grace is no longer Grace.." (Rom. 11:1-10).
---Mark_V. on 3/1/13


1st cliff, you are correct! If a church doesn't meet these criteria then it must not be the true church.

Poor and afflicted:
Jas2:6 But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?

Zep3:12 I will also leave in the midst of thee an afflicted and poor people, and they shall trust in the name of the LORD.

By the way, of the marks I listed, which ones would you like to eliminate? Which ones do you believe to be unscriptural?
---trey on 2/28/13


Trey,You've just eliminated almost all denominations by your list ,what are we left with?
Which church agrees with all 12 points on your list?
(I'm guessing , yours, right?) Are you poor and afflicted?
---1st_cliff on 2/28/13




Karen, you are correct but if you go down the street with all showing like I see every single day, you will get more whistles, stares and may even get some words from guys yelling across the street. as a pastors wife I know you don't dress to be showey or to draw attention to yourself. please go talk to a judge or police officer. Karen, as a pastors wife, you have a tough job. my mom was a pastors wife and she supported my dad in every decision he made. tough job. God bless
---shira4368 on 2/27/13


OK 1st Cliff,

Let's look at the marks of the true church:

1. A regenerated membership meaning members are born again believers in Christ.
2. The baptism by immersion in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
3. The frequent observance of the Lord's Supper.
4. Maintenance of church discipline.
5. The independence of individual church government.
6. Seperation of church and state.
7. The membership is primarily poor and afflicted.
8. Memebers, elders and deacons are all equal.
9. The ministers are called by God.
10. Ministers are not salaried.
11. The Holy Spirit leads the ministers (they are not sent by a mission board).
12. Seperation of the church from man made money based organizations.
---trey on 2/28/13


shira4368.....As a PASTOR'S WIFE, I can tell you there are men and women who will commit adultery regardless of how the other person is dressed. Of the numerous couples we have counseled where a spouse has committed adultery, it had nothing to do with how the other person was dressed. A policeman or a court judge???? Are you saying a rape victim is to blame if she or he is dressed immodest???
---KarenD on 2/27/13


Some men would commit adultery in their hearts with a woman dressed modestly. Dont blame how the woman dresses. The sin is the adulterous man.

very true!! many men commit adultery because their wives nag them at home, beat them down with sarcastic insults and often little communication about life, usually take out the trash conversations. Men cheat for a variety of reasons many crave intelligent women for conversation, then it leads to having that women pay attention to them (when their wife is not) a women who is easy to talk to, smiles and makes them feel appreciated. Then it leads to something else, most men are not looking for a trashy dressed women those bimbo's are everywhere today
---Follower_of_Christ on 2/27/13


karen, adultry starts with the eyes. for a person to commit adultry, they must see it first and when women aren't dressed to cover and I don't mean long hot dresses or gowns or old fashion. I wear chic clothes and I am neat but I am covered. if you don't think clothes have a lot to do with sex, go ask a policeman a pastor or a court judge. they will answer your question.
---shira4368 on 2/27/13




shira4368...Some men would commit adultery in their hearts with a woman dressed modestly. Dont blame how the woman dresses. The sin is the adulterous man.
---KarenD on 2/26/13


Trey:OK so you believe His church is still here, let's narrow it down to which one since they all have different beliefs!
BTW "Deacon"
is now a sought after title as opposed to a lowly table waiter!
---1st_cliff on 2/27/13


\\we also believe in dressing where fellas don't stare and commit adultery with their eyes\\
---shira4368 on 2/26/13

Under the right conditions, my eyes could commit adultery with a girl dressed in a gunny sack.

It doesn't depend only on how she's dressed. It depends more on the eyes of the man
---James_L on 2/27/13


1st Cliff, I can assure you that deacons do far more than wait tables.

Ac6:1 And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration.

Lord's church:
Mt16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

The rock spoken of here is Christ! It is Christ that the church is built upon and not Peter. The above mentioned verse tells me the Lord still has his church here on earth.
---trey on 2/26/13


jamesl, you hit the nail on the head. I can give you a hundred reasons why we are kjv. I can give you a reason for everything we do. we surely don't believe we are saved by baptism. we also believe in dressing where fellas don't stare and commit adultery with their eyes. that is bible. my pastor has a phd in bible. he is an expert in greek and Hebrew. anything else you need to know just ask.
---shira4368 on 2/26/13


\\I guess there is little commonality among Independent Baptist church except for the mode of baptism.\\
---e.lee7537 on 2/26/13

That's a pretty fair assessment.

There is a strong support of the autonomy of the local church.

One other that is commmon among Independent Baptists - an adamant stance that the KJV is inspired, and is the only trustworthy English translation.
---James_L on 2/26/13


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it is ridiculus that a church has to show by laws for tax exemption status. government needs to stay out of churches business.
---shira4368 on 2/26/13


Trey,Decon simply means "wait on" or servant,and is a demonstration of how a designation becomes a "title".
The 7 were actually "waiters" for the distribution of food.
The "Lord's" church...just which "church" is that today Trey?
---1st_cliff on 2/26/13


Ask the IRS if your church has bylaws. You might be surprised to find out that one of the conditions of non-profits is that they must have bylaws and other records to substantiate that they are non-profit. If your church doesn't have bylaws and two men want to get married in your church, you might have a really serious court case to deal with on that issue.
---KarenD on 2/26/13


Francis - I really have no problem with believing that a marriage vows can be broken and once broken, the innocent party is no longer bound by those vows.

1 Cor.6: 14 Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?

It can be simply a matter of acquiring justice, correct?
---e.lee7537 on 2/26/13


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---e.lee7537 on 2/25/13
The bible does allow for divorce and remarriage.
Maybe you did meet these conditions
---francis on 2/25/13

Matthew 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it be] for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.


Deuteronomy 24:1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give [it] in her hand, and send her out of his house.

Deuteronomy 24:2 And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's [wife].
---francis on 2/26/13


1st cliff, please read the book of Acts. In doing so, you will see that Paul was not even an apostle when the church by the leadership of the Holy Spirit added deacons.

Deacons - Chapter 6

The Apostle Paul called to serve the Lord - Chapter 9.
---trey on 2/26/13


shira4368// you don't know what you are talking about concerning independent baptist. we have no by laws. the bible is our by laws.
---
The two indepdendent Baptist churches that I am familiar with had by-laws and in their by-laws they gave their interpretaiotn of Scripture to the effect that divorced and re-married people did not qualify for church office.

I guess there is little commonality among Independent Baptist church except for the mode of baptism.
---e.lee7537 on 2/26/13


elee, you don't know what you are talking about concerning independent baptist. we have no by laws. the bible is our by laws.I have been one all my 74 yrs and you are way off target. some are legalistic but most are not. I have nothing to do with legalistic churches. all are not alike.
---shira4368 on 2/25/13


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James, Jesus did not establish denominational "churches" these are the invention of Paul and his Pharisee upbringing!As are also Decons, Bishops Elders, Reverends etc...
There's no "caste" system in Christianity!

All are instructed to "witness"!
---1st_cliff on 2/25/13


francis//The bible does allow for divorce and remarriage.
Maybe you did meet these conditions
---

The Bible to many denominations while a good reference, is subject to interpretation.

However what may I ask is the criteria we must follow in interpreting the Bible?

Some denominations like the Adventist, recognize only only only the interpretation made by their founder Ellen White- the infallible pope of Adventism.
---e.lee7537 on 2/25/13


The bible does allow for divorce and remarriage.
Maybe you did meet these conditions
---francis on 2/25/13


This 1st timothy verse gets misused many times. What the verse says is "you are husband of one wife", which means you are solely dedicated to one person for better or worse and obstain from sexual immorality. What it does not mean is that once you are divorce you are incapable of being a deacon or elder. This verse would exclude Jesus and Paul from being deacons in the church because they were unmarried. Abraham divorced his wife Hagar. Issues may still be present that caused the divorce but the verse does not exclude you. If your church does says no to you being a deacon dont fight or cause division over it.
---Scott1 on 2/25/13


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// As far as the Baptist denominations go,It seems to be more of the smaller Independant Baptist Churches, maybe others too, that put this regulations on Believer's.

What I have discovered is that some Baptist churches hide what they believe in the by-laws. So if you go to an Independent Baptist church, they may welcome you with open arms - they need the $$$ and must increase their membership - but they will not tell you anything until someones nominates you for church office and then it is discovered that you had a previous marriage and they really do not care if it was a marriage that broke up 50 years ago.

So sorry, they tell you but God's word is God's word and we have to obey.
---e.lee7537 on 2/24/13


\\confessing my sins , \\...having found Christ, confessing my sins, asking Christ into my life , and following him in water baptism....\\
---James on 2/24/13

We don't find Christ, He finds us.

We don't invite Jesus into our life, He invites us into His life.

Confessing sins is a matter of conscience for believers, not the means of conversion.

If your hope of eternal life is built upon these ritualistic works, then you haven't "found" Christ

Without believing in Him, being a deacon would be pointless

Just something to consider.
---James_L on 2/24/13


e.lee7537...The Assemblies of God will give credentials to divorced and remarried ministers if the spouse committed adultery or left the faith and abandoned the marriage. If the divorce or abandonment occurred prior to conversion, the same is true. Either way, a minister and spouse are required to go through extensive background checks and have several letters verifying the circumstances. They are not "elected" to office. They go through several steps, including an interview with all the presbyters in their district prior to credentials being given. Then they are either recommended or denied by the district and then the information is sent to the General Council in Springfield for final confirmation. It is not taken lightly.
---KarenD on 2/24/13


The Moderator is correct. Some churches believe that what happens before Salvation doesn't count. They look at the life you live after accepting Christ. Others believe that having only one wife means exactly that. No divorce & re-marriage for the leaders of the church. Before or after Salvation. As far as the Baptist denominations go,It seems to be more of the smaller Independant Baptist Churches, maybe others too, that put this regulations on Believer's. Alot of the bigger one's are less likely to regulate that strictly. Salvation is what's important to some churches. Just pray about it & let the Lord lead you where He wants you to go.
---Reba on 2/24/13


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Hi, James (c: God bless you and your family (c:

You might take a look at what comes in 1 Timothy 3, b-e-f-o-r-e the 11 & 12 verses >

"blameless" > how we have matured in how God's love makes us blameless

"temperate" > self-control in the Holy Spirit has us able to not be under the power of arguing, complaining, food, nasty negative angry reacting

"one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?),"

> "Likewise deacons" > "also first" "tested" (c:
---willie_c: on 2/24/13


It depends upon the denomination of the church. and their interpretation of the Bible.

In the Assembly of God, you may be elected to church office if you became a Christian after you were divorced and re-married.

However if you were a Christian and then divorced and re-married, you will be barred from occupying a church office.

Church of the Nazarene may not even let you become a member of their church.

Not all denominations will permit you to have all the benefits of membership if divorced and re-married.

If you feel that this is a problem, advise you to consider joining another denomination.
---e.lee7537 on 2/24/13


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