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What is the distinction between body, soul and spirit? Base your answers on the Bible.

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"Would these be the same orthodox jews who do not recignize Jesus as the messiah? That is why my BIBLE knowledge would be greater than theirs" francis

Funny thing is, you're doing what the orthodox jews are doing and to compound your sins even more, you claim to have knowledge of the Holy Bible over them.

"...are you convinced that at least part of the trinity is called the angel of God?"

God is God, angels are His creation. You're saying God created Jesus? It would help your cause if you simply show us the Scripture that says what you're saying, and that's, "part of the trinity is called the angel of God". If you can't, well, the Word of God calls you a liar.
---christan on 3/8/13


As I have said, I have read your faith's position
---Mark_Eaton on 3/8/13
I am not asking you to read any " faith position."

I am asking about the bible

According to this passage, is The Angel of God, and the God of Bethel one and the same?

Or who does this passage say that the ANgel of God is?

Genesis 31:11 And the angel of God spake unto me in a dream, saying, Jacob:...I am the God of Bethel
---francis on 3/8/13


Do you know that Orthodox Jews recognize four archangels, Michael, Gabriel, Uriel, Raphael? Why would your knowledge of Hebrew Scripture be greater than theirs?
---Mark_Eaton on 3/8/13
Would these be the same orthodox jews who do not recignize Jesus as the messiah? That is why my BIBLE knowledge would be greater than theirs

Titus 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
---francis on 3/8/13


are you convinced that at least part of the trinity is called the angel of God?
---francis on 3/7/13

I am not, and never will be, convinced that there is a created angelic being that is within the deity of the Godhead, or within the deity of the Heavenly Father, or within the deity of Jesus, or Holy Spirit.

As I have said, I have read your faith's position on this issue and it has many errors in it. Too many errors to go into here, limited by 125 words.

Do you know that Orthodox Jews recognize four archangels, Michael, Gabriel, Uriel, Raphael? Why would your knowledge of Hebrew Scripture be greater than theirs?
---Mark_Eaton on 3/8/13


Oh Lee .... where are you?


How did this blog become the Jesus is Michael blog? If Michael, the commander of the angelic host, is a mere angel, then angels can raise the dead with their voices. Can someone please show me the scripture where that happened?



---jerry6593 on 3/8/13




Daniel 12:1 at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble...

Prophecy of Michael taking up, coming to the aide of Gods people in the time of trouble. When I read my bible, I need to see how this prophecy is fulfilled:

Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse, and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations:

Why is Jesus doing what Michael is prophesied to do?

---francis on 3/7/13


It may be Jesus yet He is not named and I should not use conjecture to determine who it is.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/7/13
Who else could it be BUT Jesus!!

Well before I reveal why it is Jesus, answer me this, are you convinced that at least part of the trinity is called the angel of God?
---francis on 3/7/13


Mark Eaton, I agree that there are "slight" differences between the JWs and SDA, I did say "like the JWs".

While the SDA proclaim in their "faith" of the trinity (which the RCs and many others do too and we know them to be false christians), the SDA quietly among themselves say the angel Michael is also Jesus. Keyword is "angel" and not Michael.

Now if you believe in the trinity, you'll be convicted that Jesus is God. That's the basic foundation of faith to Christians from God and He's not a created being like His angels. The name doesn't matter but the "being/creature" does. And Jesus is neither. From that I gather they deny the divinity of Christ.
---christan on 3/7/13


This Angel of The Lord/ God,
who is also God can be none other than Jesus
---francis on 3/7/13

This is exacly my point on reading into Scripture.

The passages clearly call the person the "angel of God/Lord" yet you read them and conclude that this is none other than Jesus. And then continuing down this same rabbit trail you finally get where Michael is another name for Jesus.

When I read these passages I conclude that I do not understand who this angel is and may never know yet I accept this passage by faith that it is true and it is accurate. It may be Jesus yet He is not named and I should not use conjecture to determine who it is.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/7/13


let us consider these two texts:

Genesis 31:11 And the angel of God spake unto me in a dream, saying, Jacob:...I am the God of Bethel

AND

Genesis 22:11 And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham:.. Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me

In Both passages the speaker is THE ANGEL OF GOD/ THE LORD

in Both passages the Angel of the Lord/ God identifies himelf as God

This Angel of The Lord/ God,
who is also God can be none other than Jesus
---francis on 3/7/13




francis, your post here verifies you don't know anything about Jesus Christ or the bible for that matter.
---shira4368 on 3/7/13


"According to this doctrine the VOICE of Jesus, the Acchangel will raise the dead" francis

Are you serious? "Doctrine of the VOICE of Jesus"? I hope you're not seriously referring to His "spoken voice" as per SE but rather His spoken Words given to us through the Holy Bible.

Do you even know that other then His apostles and those who walked with Christ during His ministry two thousand years ago, nobody outside that period has heard how Jesus sounded like? So, what "voice" are you hearing?

His "voice" is merely the metaphor with regards to His spoken words given in the Holy Bible for us. That's His voice. Genesis to Revelation!
---christan on 3/7/13


Basically, just like the JWs, they do not believe Jesus Christ is 100% God.
---christan on 3/6/13

I cannot agree. They do not agree with the JWs.

I have read the SDA Questions on Doctrine about Jesus and Michael. There are many points in error and many connections made with great imagination. It does as many do, it reads into Scripture. They also include Jewish literature when it suits their points but do not include it when it would clearly refute their points.

However, the SDA do not declare that Jesus is an angel or a created being. They declare that Michael is just another name for Jesus.

Which of course, is incorrect.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/7/13


//Bottomline is this, francis has to justify his SDA faith...//

Sometimes predestination makes sense...no amount of correct information ever seems to influence some people.
---Rod4Him on 3/7/13


---Mark_Eaton on 3/6/
The doctrine of resurrection of the dead Hebrews 6:2

According to this doctrine the VOICE of Jesus,
the Acchangel will raise the dead

I could care less what the sound is, I am talking only about THE VOICE. you are the one talking about sound, not me.

John 5:28 for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear HIS VOICE, And shall come forth

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, withTHE VOICE OF THE ARCH ANGEL, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, ... And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake
---francis on 3/7/13


"You have taken a description of a sound and made a doctrine out of it." Mark Eaton

Bottomline is this, francis has to justify his SDA faith that his jesus is the archangel Michael though Hebrews 1:5,13 explicitly confirms that Christ is not an angel - which we know are created beings of God.

Basically, just like the JWs, they do not believe Jesus Christ is 100% God.
---christan on 3/6/13


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What sound does the trump of God make?
What exactly is the trunp of God?
---francis on 3/6/13

What does the voice of the archangel sound like? Does it sound like our voices? I am sure their voices are different. In fact, look at these:

Dan 10:6 "His body also was like beryl, his face had the appearance of lightning, his eyes were like flaming torches, his arms and feet like the gleam of polished bronze, and the sound of his words like the sound of a tumult.

Rev 1:15 "His feet were like burnished bronze, when it has been made to glow in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters"

You have taken a description of a sound and made a doctrine out of it.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/6/13


The sound has the word archangel connected to it, not the person who is making the sound.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/5/13
REALLY?

1 Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the VOICE OF THE ARCHANGEL, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

And you say that it is NOT the voice of the archangel

The bible clearly says THE VOICE OF THE ARCH ANGEL

Here is what we know
1: the lord is coming down with a shout
2: the voice that is heard is is the voice of the arch angel

There is nothing about any SOUND in there, it is a shout with the voice of the archangel

What sound does the trump of God make?
What exactly is the trunp of God?
---francis on 3/6/13


Even "great" theologians like Matthew Henry can be blind sided in certain doctrines. And since Scripture doesn't contradict Scripture, let's turn our focus to Hebrews 1 which is at best explicit in it's definition -

5 "For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

v13 "But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?"

francis, satisfied with Scripture's declaration?
---christan on 3/6/13


Leest: You've gone strangely silent.

When did I ever judge your relationship with God? I merely point out the truth of the Bible, and it condems your sins - not me. God wrote Commandments (not optional suggestions), but you say NO, I won't obey because Paul gave me an exemption.

Jesus has His flock in many fields, so although I disagree with your Bible interpretations, I would never judge your fitness for salvation. Our God is so merciful that even sinners like you and me may one day make it to heaven. Is that clear enough?



---jerry6593 on 3/6/13


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Matthew Henry wrote that Michael is another title for JESUS. In his commentary on Daniel 12:1 I. Jesus Christ shall appear his churchs patron and protector: At that time, when the persecution is at the hottest, Michael shall stand up, v. 1. The angel had told Daniel what a firm friend Michael was to the church, ch. 10:21. He all along showed this friendship in the upper world, the angels knew it, but now Michael shall stand up in his providence, and work deliverance for the Jews, when he sees that their power is gone, Deu. 32:3. 6. Christ is that great prince, for he is the prince of the kings of the earth, Rev. 1:5.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/5/13


I do not care what sound is made, All I am asking is this: Whose VOICE made the sound
---francis on 3/5/13

The verse tells us that.

What you are doing is connecting the sound (shout with the voice of archangel) to the person who is making the sound, Jesus, the Lord Himself.

The sound has the word archangel connected to it, not the person who is making the sound.

Hebrews 1 tell us that Jesus is much better than the angels, that the angels will worship Him, and that Jesus will sit on the throne of God at the right hand of the Father, a place no angel will ever occupy. A place reserved for the only Son.

Jesus was not and is not an archangel.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/5/13


But you are connecting the sound to the voice.

1 Thes 4:16 "the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first"
---Mark_Eaton on 3/5/13

I do not care what sound is made, All I am asking is this: Whose VOICE made the sound
---francis on 3/5/13


Mark_Eaton on 3/5/13
John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth

The voice : JESUS

Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

VOICE IS ARCHANGEL

SAME VOICE because Jesus is the chief of Angels, his voice raises the dead
---francis on 3/5/13


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It does not matter wha tthe voice SOUNDS LIKE, what maters is WHOSE VOICE IS IT
---francis on 3/4/13

But you are connecting the sound to the voice.

1 Thes 4:16 "the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first"

Are there three sounds or just one? Is there a shout, a voice, and a trumpet? I believe there is one sound, a trumpet blast.

I connect the passage with this verse:

Matt 24:31 "And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other"
---Mark_Eaton on 3/5/13


---christan on 3/4/13
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first
John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth,

WHOSE VOICE WILL THE DEAD HEAR AND BE RAISED: Jesus or the voice of the Archangel?


Rev 1:15 His voice was like the sound of many waters"

If we use that same reasoning, then Jesus is the ocean.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/4/13

Whose voice is like the sound of the Ocean?

It does not matter wha tthe voice SOUNDS LIKE, what maters is WHOSE VOICE IS IT
---francis on 3/4/13


francis, again your understanding of the language is suspect. 1 Thessalonians 4:16 explicitly says, "WITH the voice of". Notice it did not say, "the archangel shall descend from heaven with a shout" but the Lord himself shall".

In the English language when using "with" it simply means, "accompanied by, in some particular relation to, characterized by or having". It does not mean "Jesus is an archangel" as your SDA claims to belief.

Your problem stems from the false fact made by the SDA and you go round in the Scripture hunting for verses that does not even support the SDA claim.
---christan on 3/4/13


From this passage it is 100% clear that the voice that is heard, which raises the dead is the voice of the Archangel
---francis on 3/4/13

Rev 1:15 "His feet were like burnished bronze, when it has been made to glow in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters"

If we use that same reasoning, then Jesus is the ocean.

Has anyone heard the voice of the archangel or the trump of God?

These are descriptions of an incredibly great sound, so loud that perhaps all Earth will hear it. What would we call such a sound? Or perhaps better still, what would people 2000 years ago call such a sound?

The voice of the archangel?
---Mark_Eaton on 3/4/13


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---christan on 3/3/13
John 5:26..28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves SHALL HEAR HIS VOICE, And shall come forth,

From this passage it is 100% clear that the voice that is heard is the voice of the son of God, Jesus and this voice raises the dead

1 Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with THE VOICE OF THE ARC ANGEL, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

From this passage it is 100% clear that the voice that is heard, which raises the dead is the voice of the Archangel

So, can you tell us, which voice is heard by the dead, that will raise them?

Is it the Archangel, or Jesus?
---francis on 3/4/13


Leest: When did I ever judge your relationship with God? I merely point out the truth of the Bible, and it condems your sins - not me. God wrote Commandments (not optional suggestions), but you say NO, I won't obey because Paul gave me an exemption.

Jesus has His flock in many fields, so although I disagree with your Bible interpretations, I would never judge your fitness for salvation. Our God is so merciful that even sinners like you and me may one day make it to heaven. Is that clear enough?




---jerry6593 on 3/4/13


Wow! francis, you combine Daniel 10:21 with Isaiah 9:6 and out came the archangel Michael who is Jesus Christ. Truly amazing.

Daniel 10:13, "but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes". It doesn't say the "one and only prince"! God has multitudes of angels.

Isaiah 9:6 was a specific prophesy of the coming messiah Jesus Christ. Now note the reverence Isaiah gave, "and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

Did Daniel make mention any of these "titles" apart from "one of the chief princes"? Not even the "prince of peace". Wake up francis, you're drunk in stupor.
---christan on 3/4/13


---christan on 3/2/13
Daniel 10:21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and [there is] none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The PRINCE of Peace.


Daniel 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

Hebrew Definition for "one" FIRST, preeminent
---francis on 3/3/13


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francis, get it straight to your heart - the angel Michael is NOT GOD! He has no power to raise the dead or do anything outside of the will of God! So isn't it as clear as daylight that your SDA actually worships the archangel Michael rather than the Lord Jesus Christ? They are two different "persons", I hope you know that.

And 1 Thessalonians 4:16 declares that Christ was the archangel Michael? How so? This is what it says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first."

How do you get Jesus is the archangel Michael from this verse? WOW! What imagination!
---christan on 3/3/13


Jerry//Don't you realize that when you judge another's relationship with God, you usurp God's prerogative, and thus commit blasphemy?

Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another mans servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

If you listen to the Adventists, they are very quick to say that we are members of a Babylon church simply because we do not observe the OT Sabbath - a commandment not made to Gods Church anywhere in the New Covenant.

So Jerry boy, if you Adventists judge others, why do you complain about what we may say about you or Francis?. You are more like the pot calling the kettle black
---e.lee7537 on 3/3/13


---christan on 3/2/13
Can you tell me whose voice raises the dead in Christ?

A: Jesus: Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice And shall come forth, they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life, and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. John 5:28-29

B: THE ARCHANGEL: For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 1 Thessalonians 4:16
---francis on 3/3/13


--christan on 3/2/13
Who stands up for Gods people during the time of trouble:

A: MICHAEL: And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. Daniel 12:1


B: JESUS: And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. Rev 19:15-16
---francis on 3/3/13


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Rob: "Francis is a minister and servant of Satan"

And I suppose that you (like Lee) believe that "love thy neighbor" is the only Commandment left standing. Francis has presented numerous scriptures supporting his position, but all you and Lee can come up with is hate speech to prop up your pagan belief in spooks trapped within our bodies. What a poor example of Christian brotherhood you display. Don't you realize that when you judge another's relationship with God, you usurp God's prerogative, and thus commit blasphemy? Your name suits you.


---jerry6593 on 3/3/13


Jesus Christ is the eternal Son of God! I believe we can all agree he has many titles: The Word, The Lamb of God, The Great Shepherd and Bishop of our Souls, Head of the Church, Rose of Sharon, etc.

I also read in the scriptures where he was an "angel". The word angel simply means messenger. Examples:
Num 22:23
Exe 14:19
Jud 6:22
Gen 22:11
Exe 3:2
etc.

Was not Christ the messenger who brought the ultimate good news!

Please do not get me wrong, I believe Jesus Christ is Lord.
1Jo5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
---trey on 3/3/13


--christan on 3/2/13

Genesis 31:11-13 And THE ANGEL OF GOD spake unto me in a dream, saying, Jacob:... I am the God of Bethel

So who is the " angel of God" who is the God of bethel,A seraphim, cherbim or Jesus himself?
---francis on 3/2/13


francis, you can quote all the Scriptures you desire to justify your faith in the SDA. But it matters not a drop if you do not believe that Jesus is the One true God, like the Father and the Holy Spirit.

You can say you do believe Jesus is God but will you ever deny what is one of the most fundamental statement of faith by the SDA, which is - "...He (Jesus) was revealed to them as the Angel of Jehovah, the Captain of the Lord's Host, Michael the Archangel." Which you believe to be truth which is not even Scriptural. And if not Scriptural, how can it be truth?
---christan on 3/2/13


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Psalms 30:9 What profit is there in my blood, when I go down to the pit? Shall the dust praise thee? shall it declare thy truth?

Psalms 115:17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.

Look at these two verses here. If the " Soul" went to heaven at death would it not praise God all day and all night?
But here we wee that those who die, do not praise God.

Job 19:26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:

If the " soul" went to heaven,, why then does Mr. Job need to wait until the resurrection to see God in his flesh, if souls went to heaven would his soul not see God?
---francis on 3/2/13


Genesis 3:19 for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Job 34:15 All flesh shall perish together, and man shall turn again unto dust.

Psalms 30:9 What profit [is there] in my blood, when I go down to the pit? Shall the dust praise thee? shall it declare thy truth?

Psalms 44:25 For our soul is bowed down to the dust: our belly cleaveth unto the earth.

Psalms 104:29 thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust.

Ecclesiastes 3:20 All go unto one place, all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
---francis on 3/2/13


--Mark_V. on 3/2/13
Hey idiot, scroll down read the rest of my post. See where I posted the two common uses of " soul" in the bible

hy did i call you an idiot you ask:

because you ask if that is " all i can come up with" Not havng read ALL that I had already posted
---francis on 3/2/13


francis, is that all you can come down with? Joshua a destroyer of ematerial souls? You have gone bannanas. Joshua destroyed humans beings with his sword. The word is (Nephesh) a living creature. That's what he killed. Not invisible souls. You use one meaning of a word when that very word "Nephesh" has many meanings depending on the context of the passage. What you are doing is the very trick cult members use to explain away the Deity of Jesus Christ.
---Mark_V. on 3/2/13


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---christan on 3/1/13
Should I fear those who can kill the soul with a sword?


Joshua 11:11 And they smote all the souls that were therein with the edge of the sword, utterly destroying them: there was not any left to breathe: and he burnt Hazor with fire.

Joshua is a bad man, not only did he destroy the souls with a sword, he later destroyed the soul with fire.


Do women still give birth to souls anymore?
Genesis 46:18 These are the sons of Zilpah, whom Laban gave to Leah his daughter, and these she bare unto Jacob, even sixteen souls.

So joshua can destroy a soul with a sword, and Leah could give birth to souls.

for the sake of your soul, you better become a SDA
---francis on 3/2/13


---Rob now lets look at verses 18-21

Galatians 2:18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.

What exactly did paul give up that he did not want to preach ( build up) again?

1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but( what is important is) the keeping of the commandments of God.

paul gave up preraching CIRCUMCISION, not the ten commandments

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law (CIRCUMCISION), then Christ is dead in vain

Galatians 5:11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.
---francis on 3/2/13


Christan, great answer you gave francis, worth repeating,

"Seriously? For the sake of your "soul", you had better "get yourself" out of the SDA! O I forgot, I do not believe in "free-will" - let's hope it's God's will that He will bring you out from the bondage of the SDA."

Without the Spirit, he is unable to see the Truth. An act only God can do.
"When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, "who then can be saved?"
But Jesus looked at them and said to them, "with men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible"
(Matt. 19:25,26).
---Mark_V. on 3/2/13


Rob, let me give you a deeper understanding of galation 2:

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, ...for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Galatians 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, ( THAT IS- IF WE ARE FOUND TO have other gods, make graven images and bow down to them, take the name of the LORD God in vain, not keep the sabbath day holy, dishonour our father and our mother,kill, commit adultery, steal, bear false witness, and covet) is therefore Christ the minister of sin (BEAKING THE TEN COMMANDMENTS)? God forbid.
---francis on 3/2/13


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---Rob on 3/1/13

You are a fool because you had the truth, and traded it for lies and self deception

Proverbs 26:11 As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.

2 Peter 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [itTO TURN FROM THE HOLY COMMANDMENT delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again,

Poverbs 17:25 A foolish son is a grief to his father, and bitterness to her that bare him.

call the one that bore you see if I am telling the truth
---francis on 3/1/13


Rob//To this very day I am thankful I know what they teach is FALSE TEACHING, and would not become an SDA.
---
While we see from the statistics most recruits to Adventism fall away within 5 years, it is unfortunate that many really do not join any Christian denomination but become infidels.

However, they do provide an incentive to study the Bible and its teachings in more detail.

Adventism was birthed in the radical religious movement of the early 1800 and many besides olde Ellen experienced visions (read Canrights books).

Her husband James was the charlatan that exploited her works for financial gain. 1 Tim. 6:10

Yes, I can agree with you that olde Ellen did indeed have a familiar spirit. Isaiah 8:19
---e.lee7537 on 3/1/13


Christian, Francis will never leave the SDA because Francis is a minister and servant of Satan, 2 Corinthians Chapter 11.

Francis and other SDA's want people to be like the "FOOLISH GALATIANS" mentioned in Galatians Chapter 3.

Have you noticed Francis avoids and rejects what is written in the book of Galatians. This is because it goes against the FALSE TEACHING of Ellen G. White the SDA CULT.

To this very day I am thankful I know what they teach is FALSE TEACHING, and would not become an SDA.
---Rob on 3/1/13


"SOUL IS: THOUGHTS AND INTENTS of the heart. good or evil" francis

Seriously? For the sake of your "soul", you had better "get yourself" out of the SDA! O I forgot, I do not believe in "free-will" - let's hope it's God's will that He will bring you out from the bondage of the SDA.

"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him which is able to DESTROY BOTH SOUL AND BODY IN HELL."

So God is going to "throw your thoughts and intents of the heart" to hell? Maybe that's why you're not fearful of Him.
---christan on 3/1/13


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1 Thess 5:23 the very God of peace sanctify you wholly, and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved...

James 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, and purify YOUR HEARTS,

Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the THOUGHTS AND INTENTS of the heart.

Matthew 6:21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

SOUL IS: THOUGHTS AND INTENTS of the heart. good or evil
---francis on 3/1/13


"NO it says man is made of body ( DUST) and the BREATH OF GOD (spirit)" francis

Even quoting from the Scriptures you can't get it right. Don't you know how to cut and paste? Here, I'll do it for you, this is what Genesis 2:7 says, "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, AND MAN BECAME A LIVING SOUL."

Maybe once in a while you should try reading the epistles, "And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly, and I pray God YOUR WHOLE SPIRIT AND SOUL AND BODY be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

There you go, the tripartite man explained.
---christan on 2/28/13


Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul:

Joshua 10:28 And that day Joshua took Makkedah, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof he utterly destroyed, them, and all the souls that [were] therein,

Joshua 11:11 And they smote all the souls that [were] therein with the edge of the sword, utterly destroying [them]:

If Joshua is able to destroy so many souls with a sword, we need to then adjust our thinking of what Jesus is saying concerning them that are not able to kill the soul

What Jesus is saying is that He alone has the power to destroy a soul in hell, and he alone has the power to restore a person ( soul)
---francis on 2/28/13


e.lee7537 on 2/28/13
You are calling the soul the spirit

They are not the same things

Soul can be:
1: A person Genesis 2:7 Genesis 46:22
2: the thoughts and intents of the heart. Hebrews 4:12

Spirit can be:
1: Breath / spirit of God: or man (air) Genesis 2:7/Job 27:3
2: Attitute with which we do something Numbers 5:14, Job 20:3 Ezra 1:1 closely linked to emotions


But at no time, no scripture ever says that we have a soul within us

That is a pagan teaching
---francis on 2/28/13


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Didn't the Bible tell us that the man is made of body, soul and spirit?
---christan on 2/27/13
NO it says man is made of body ( DUST) and the BREATH OF GOD (spirit)

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

The bible also uses soul and spirit to mean thoughts and intents of the heart Hebrews 4:12
---francis on 2/28/13


//The soul and the spirit are "our deepest intentions, what we hold dearly, what is of value to us"?

Ec 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

I find your understanding of soul, spirit and body somewhat questionable. Ecclesiastics seems to tell us that our spirit came from God. In the same sense, the Spirit of Jesus came from God at the Incarnation and inhabited His body (Hebrews 10:5) and returned to God at His death.
---e.lee7537 on 2/28/13


"Soul and spirit as used here is not to say that we are made up of soul and spirit, it is used to speek about our deepest intensions, what we hold dearly, what is of value to us." francis

The soul and the spirit are "our deepest intentions, what we hold dearly, what is of value to us"? Didn't the Bible tell us that the man is made of body, soul and spirit? Doesn't it then mean that the tripartite man is a created being by God? And that God will throw the soul into the Lake of Fire? And not the body, which will return to dust?

Of the tripartite man created, only his body is matter which happens to be a vessel that "house" his soul and spirit. Isn't it such an awesome creation by God?
---christan on 2/27/13


The scriptures are clear that there are three parts to man, however let us consider:

Heb4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

In other words, dividing the soul and the spirit is like trying to tell where the marrow stops and the bone starts. Only God can do that.
---trey on 2/27/13


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The body is the outer shell that consists of your organs to keep you alive.

Your soul is your mind, will and your emotions.

Your spirit is the inner most part of your being, your personality, your heart (not the one that pumps blood), it's what makes you, you!

You are fearfully and wonderfully made Psalm 139 says.
---anon on 2/27/13


John 6:63
The Spirit gives life, the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.

Mal 2:15 In flesh and spirit they are his. And why one? Because he was seeking godly offspring.

Matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Genesis 2:7
the Lord God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

John 3:6
Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.

John 3:5
"No one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
---born4883 on 2/27/13


1Th5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly, and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

The Lord Jesus is going to preserve my "deepest intensions"??? Francis are you sure about that?

Re20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands, and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

"Our intensions" will reign with Christ???
---trey on 2/26/13


David bizarrely accuses me of "ignoring the 6th Granville Sharp rule." It's obvious David has never read Granville Sharp regarding his prominent comment on John 20:28 at Rule 6, preferring to read The Watchtower's expurgated version for the blind followers of Brooklyn's masters. Sharp clearly points out at Rule 6 that because John stated Thomas made his claim TO (auto) Michael the angel, I mean, Jesus, 6th rule is set aside and it's that context which determines to whom Thomas directed the titles of "The God of me", namely, TO Jesus and to no one else.

The knuckleheads in New York, once again, lie, lie, lie to their followers, and the followers, like David, believe the lie without checking the primary source documents.
---Marc on 2/26/13


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Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the THOUGHS ANDINTENTS OF THE HEART.

Can a sword pierce the soul and the spirit? when we say soul and spirit here we are talking about thoughts and intents of the heart

1 Thess 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly, and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ

Soul and spirit as used here is not to say that we are made up of soul and spirit, it is used to speek about our deepest intensions, what we hold dearly, what is of value to us
---francis on 2/26/13


1 thes 5:23 states we are a three part being, spirit, soul and body. Our Spirit (pneuma) is what is completely changed when we are born again. Thats what confuses alot of Christians in 2 cor 5:17-18 we are a new creature. We usually don't feel any different. thats because we cannot access our spirit thru our 5 senses. John 3:6 that which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the spirit is spirit. There is no connection between the two. We have the mind of christ, the resurrection power of Jesus Christ residing in our spirit. but it takes faith to release it.
---Barry_Roberts on 2/26/13


I believe that is correct and we can surmise that in what state we are in after the death of the body is something not revealed to us.
--e.lee7537 on 2/25/13
Sure it is
Job 19:26 And [though] after my skin [worms] destroy this [body], yet in my flesh shall I see God:

Job 21:26 They shall lie down alike in the dust, and the worms shall cover them.

Psalms 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, in that very day his thoughts perish.

2 Corinthians 5:4 not for that we would be unclothed,

Psalms 115:17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.
---francis on 2/26/13


Francis//How God received it is not revealed
---
I believe that is correct and we can surmise that in what state we are in after the death of the body is something not revealed to us.

However, as far back into history as we can go, we can see that the church believed in a consciousness after death, hell for the damned, and with Christ for the believer with the resurreciton being that time when our bodies will be united with our spirits.

Even the Jews prior to Christ held such a viewpoint.



---e.lee7537 on 2/25/13


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"Human beings give birth to souls" francis

You quoted Genesis 2:7 and you come to this conclusion? Wow, what understanding. Do you even know that the soul and spirit are non-matter? That is, when the man dies, the flesh is separated from his soul and spirit? "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."

"Human beings can destroy souls"

Really? "And fear not them which kill the body, but ARE NOT ABLE TO KILL THE SOUL: but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." So much for your theory.
---christan on 2/25/13


Francis pls answer me:
---e.lee7537 on 2/25/13
Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Genesis 25:8 Then Abraham gave up the ghost

Genesis 35:29 And Isaac gave up the ghost

Mark 15:37 And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.

How God received it is not revealed
---francis on 2/25/13


Whether I'm soul and body--or spirit, soul and body--I want Jesus to save ALL of me.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/25/13


francis//bottom line a SOUL IS A LIVING PERSON.

The bottom line is that man is a triuniion,

1 Thessalonians 5:23 Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Francis pls answer me: When Jesus gave up the ghost on the Cross and handed His Spirit to God the Father, did God the Father get just a puff of air in His face?

When Jesus died, Did He any longer "know nothing" as you claim the situaition iswith the dead?
---e.lee7537 on 2/25/13


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Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

Soul = Body of dust + breath of God

Genesis 46:22 These are the sons of Rachel, which were born to Jacob: all the souls were fourteen.

Human beings give birth to souls


Joshua 10:35 And they took it on that day, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that [were] therein he utterly destroyed that day, according to all that he had done to Lachish

Human beings can destroy souls

bottom line a SOUL IS A LIVING PERSON
---francis on 2/25/13


I've heard of the DIchotomous nature of man (body and soul), and the TRIchotomous nature of man (body, soul, spirit).

I've also heard that the spirit is the higher part of the soul, which seems to try to have it both ways.

They all sound to me like different ways of saying the same thing in different words.

Whether man's nature is dichotomous or trichotomous, they are supposed to work together, and Christ came to save us ENTIRELY.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/25/13


Jesus "shared in the same" > "flesh and blood" (Hebrews 2:14). So, the physical is real, if Jesus experienced it in a body.

As Christians, each of us is "one spirit with Him." (1 Corinthians 6:17) So, our spirit is our nonphysical self which connects with and has our identity with "God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." (Philippians 2:13)

I personally understand that our soul is our living self . . . our experiencing self feeling both spiritual and physical, with emotions coming from our spiritual character's motives. We are reaping emotionally according to what we have been sowing.
---willie_c: on 2/25/13


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