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Is God Three Persons

Is GOD One Person or is GOD of Three Persons in One Divine Unification??

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Oh what a "taggled web" we weave...- Warwick (SIC)

Poor Warwick must be exhausted trying to keep all of his extra-biblical views in order. (Terribly unsuccessful of late).

From one side of his mouth he says that God is far removed from us and "outside, and independant of our dimension".

And from the other side we hear that God is right here in "our dimension" because he is everywhere.

So which is it?

Additionally when he attempts to establish that God is "Three persons in one" he, predictably, pulls out the dog-eared "mystery" card when pressed to explain the illogical and contradictory details of his premise.

A "Taggled Web" indeed.
---scott on 3/5/13


Cliff I believe God could have justly finished mankind when Adam and Eve sinned. Or He could have left mankind to suffer under the curse, knowing we would also rebell against His commands. Or He could have tempered law with mercy (just as Jesus with the woman caught in adultery) and fortunately for us He chose number three!

Do I believe Jesus came to ransom us? Are you seriously asking me this question?

Please define "fundamentalist" as relating to Christians.
---Warwick on 3/5/13


2 Peter 1:1 is literally translated, 'righteousness of the God of us and Savior Jesus Christ'.

If Peter wanted to identify Jesus as 'the God and Savior', one would also expect him to have rather said, 'righteousness of the God and Savior OF US Jesus Christ.' Put another way, the word 'our' only qualifies 'God'. Trinitarians are stretching the scripture if they believe Jesus is here called God since if Peter wanted us to think Jesus is both OUR God and OUR Savior, it seems likely he would have written it as "[the God and Savior] of us" rather than "[the God of us] and Savior."

Again Greek grammar, context (ie. 2 Pe.1:2), and the Codex Sinaiticus do not indicate 2 Pe.1:1 is saying Jesus is "God".
---David8318 on 3/4/13


Scott you appear incapable of understanding what God is. Your Watchtower indoctrination precludes you from seeing 'outside the box', the box being the 'truth' as imposed by the Watchtower.

Anthropomorphism is the act of bestowing human characteristics upon inanimiate objects but you practice a variant, bestowing human characteristics, and limitations upon God. God is omniscient as David attests in Psalm 139: 7-12. He is everywhere, at the same time.

As Hebrews says God spoke to man previously through prophets but now through the Lord Jesus Christ who is 'God with us' the exact representation of His being.

Mysteries: does not Scripture refer to many things this way? What is therefore your problem with this?
---Warwick on 3/4/13


Warwick, That God has no beginning and no end is not beyond my logical mind.
You say when Adam "blew it" for mankind that God could have left it that way?
He said "What I have purposed ,I will do" So He sent His Son Jn.3.16(do you believe this?) to ransom us!
Fundamentalist's have abandoned God's purpose,for man to "rule his earth" and insist that all (saved) go to heaven!
Do you believe satan won battle #1? (thwarting God's original purpose) I don't!
---1st_cliff on 3/4/13




"We believe in one God." Warwick

Then why do you avoid answering the obvious question that your own comments raise?

When Jesus was on earth, as the "Almighty God", and he prayed to his Father, the Almighty God, in heaven, (that you yourself describe as being "outside, and independant of our dimension")...

...how many Almighty Gods do you have?

Explain how the Almighty God is in our (using your own language) earthly "dimension" and at the same time in the "heavens", a completely different...far-removed dimension, and yet you do not have two separate and distinct Almighty Gods.

Do we file this one under "mystery"?
---scott on 3/4/13


Cliff, God ordained that man would rule over the whole earth. They blew it, plunging creation into the horror of the curse. God could have left it this way but He came and died and rose again to save mankind, only mankind.

You do not understand God is eternal and that eternity is a total lack of time-no beginning, no end. I believe this is why God told Moses His name was "I am."

God therefore does not live in time, is not a man but Spirit. The concept of light and dark does not apply to Him, only to us. He created light and time for us. Your time with the JW's has limited your knowledge of God, and your reasoning powers, a common occurrence for those controlled by cults.

I have already explained about space.
---Warwick on 3/3/13


James L, you say to me,
"
\\When He died phyically, He gave up His human spirit.\\
---Mark_V. on 3/3/13
Could you explain what you mean by this?"

Of course, the Scriptures not only bear witness to the physical characteristics of the human body of the incarnated Christ but also speak specifically of the fact that He possessed a human rational soul and spirit. According to (Matt. 26:38) "My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death"
A similar statement is given in (John 13:21) where it says,
"When Jesus had thus said, he was troubled in the spirit" Jesus had a complete human body including body, soul and spirit. There is much more.
---Mark_V. on 3/4/13


Scott, as patiently explained to you we believe in one God. You on the other hand have Jehovah, the Almighty God, plus Jesus "the Mighty God" (Isaiah 9:6) and "a god" John 1:1.

On top of that you have Almighty God speaking creation into existence (Genesis ch.1) then in John 1:1 you have Jesus speaking creation into existence, just as you say a prophet speaks God's words in the prophets own voice. So Scott in your taggled web who actually spoke creation into existence Almighty God or the Mighty God/god/angel/ Jesus? Can't be both!

Further following and serving Jesus (as you must to be Christian) you are disobeying God's command not to follow or serve any "god" Deuteronomy 28:14.
---Warwick on 3/3/13


Warwick,Sometime I marvel at your answers but sometimes I wonder If YOU believe the things you say!
**Man is the center of God's creation**
Man is a little lower than angels..How does that work? man is one of His most "imperfect" creations!!
Where do you get this info=God lives in a different dimension? outside of time? Even space had to be created? Light?? Did he exist in the dark??
Does this come mostly from your imagination? truthfully!
---1st_cliff on 3/3/13




Scott you quoted 1 Timothy 6:13 as though this is a problem. The continuing problem is your prediliction for investing God with human limitations. Do you imagine God is limited to acting in one place at a time? Jesus (fully God-Spirit Hebrews 1:3, Philippians 2:6) and fully man, the body prepared for the coming Saviour Hebrews 10:5) was obviously limited in time and space due to the limitations of His human body. While speaking to Pilate He was nowhere else.

You have this Greek view of God as a super man in contrast to the unlimited, unbounded, Almighty God of Scripture. Until you understand the true nature and unlimited power of God you will not understand the Trinity. Your Watchtower indoctrination has closed your mind.
---Warwick on 3/3/13


2 Peter 1:1- trinitarians claim this identifies Jesus as God.

There are doubts with trinitarian renderings:

'the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ'- NIV.

'the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ'- KJV.

Interesting the Codex Sinaiticus, likely the oldest manuscript around does not say 'righteousness of the God of us and Savior Jesus Christ.' It rather says, 'righteousness of the Lord of us and Savior Jesus Christ.' There are also other manuscripts which read 'Lord' instead of 'God.'

The very next verse says, 'Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord'.

Thus, trinitarian claims Jesus is God based on 2 Pe.1:1 are inconclusive.
---David8318 on 3/3/13


\\When He died phyically, He gave up His human spirit.\\
---Mark_V. on 3/3/13

Could you explain what you mean by this?

And provide some scripture for this teaching?
---James_L on 3/3/13


"When He spoke to the Father, He spoke as a son speaks to his father. He never stopped been God," Mar_V. And "Heaven"- Warwick

Question-

So when Jesus was on earth, as the "Almighty God", and he prayed to his Father, the Almighty God, in heaven, (that Warwick describes as being "outside, and independant of our dimension")...

...how many Almighty Gods do you have?
---scott on 3/3/13


Cliff, in Genesis 1:1 "heaven" is Hebrew 'shamiym'-plural noun, translatable as heaven or heavens. It most likely corresponds to what we call space. Before God created nothing existed, not even space, in which to place the earth-it had to be created. My dictionaries agree with this adding that 'shamiym' most likely also includes God's realm. God lives outside, and independant of our dimension, in heaven, however I do not believe this corresponds with some physical place of residence. He does not exist in any physical way we measure existance. To be with us God made a body (Hebrews 10:5) in which the eternal God the Son would tabernacle with us.

Man is the centre of God's creation.
---Warwick on 3/3/13


Cluny,
I'm well aware of the Sabellian heresy, embraced by the modern United Pentecostal Church

I'm also aware that it is a Trinitarian heresy, not a Christological one.

Like I said, Mark V uses language that sounds as if He believes Jesus was in a human "mode" part of the time, while in a divine "mode" at other times.

That's why I said it sounds SIMILAR. I never said exactly
---James_L on 3/3/13


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How can Jesus, who in very nature is God (Phil 2:6-11), the exact representation of Gods being, sustainer of all things by His powerful word (Heb 1:3), also be inferior to God? Jesus is referring to Himself, (John 14:28) being made for a while, lower than the angels (Psalm 8:5, Hebrews 2:7/ 9) Still equal in essence to God as to His Godhood, (Son of God) positionally lower as to His manhood (son of man). This is Jesus who when His work was finished sat Himself down on Gods throne, at Gods right hand, the position of power and equality. Hebrews 1:4 shows this Jesus, now not only positionally higher than the angels, whom He created,but superior in very essence
---Warwick on 3/3/13


Scott & David,

If 2 articles refers to 2 different people can you please explain why even the JW "Bible" at Revelation 4:11 translates "Ho kurios kai ho theos" as referring to 1 person, namely God Almighty rather than to 2 persons?
---Marc on 3/3/13


Cluny, good points to what James L questioned. When Jesus was speaking He was speaking from His incarnated state, while on His ministry. He grew up just like anyone else, learned like everyone else. And felt pain just like everyone feels pain. When He spoke to the Father, He spoke as a son speaks to his father. He never stopped been God, and when He died, His flesh died not His Divine nature for God never dies. When He died phyically, He gave up His human spirit. Just like all of us do at death to the Father. And just like He rose again in the flesh with a glorified body, so will we at the Second Coming.
---Mark_V. on 3/3/13


Seg, The waters above fell in Noah's day ,causing the world flood! The sun and moon were not clearly visible shining through the water and are only called greater and lesser "lights"
The stars also became visible from earth at that time ,so it's all concerning earth's preparation for habitation by creatures and humans!
outside of this all things were created eons before,that doesn't really concern us!
---1st_cliff on 3/3/13


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'Why would I look at a conversation that happened about a week and a half previously for its context?'- Marc.

Yes why would Marc want to look at other verses for the context? Afterall, he is happy with his polytheist belief. Marc claims to teach languages and yet says 'why should I look at context'. The lunatics have taken over the assylum- but I doubt Marc's credentials as a serious teacher anyway.

Did the resurrected Jesus really morph into 'the God' of Jo.20:28 he said he was ascending to at Jo.20:17? Or was Jesus misleading, lying? Or is Marc lying and got it all wrong because context is irrelevant?

My guess is that Jesus was not lying, but that Marc is lying and deceiving himself and others into polytheism.
---David8318 on 3/3/13


\\ You make it sound as if He was not both human and divine at the same time==

What Jesus experienced in His human nature, He also experienced in His divine nature, and vice versa.

This is called, in theological language, "communication of idoms."

\\That sounds similar to modalism. \\

Modalism is a Trinitarian, not a Christological heresy. Modalism, attributed to the heresiarch Sabellius of Rome, teaches that someTIMES God is Father, sometimes He is Son, and sometimes He is Holy Spirit.

Anyone can see the main error here: it assumes that God lives in and experiences time as we mortals do.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/2/13


And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were (under the firmament) from the waters which were (above the firmament:) and it was so.

The earth was made from the waters (under the heaven,) but there are waters above the heaven.
So starting from Earth going out into space, we have earth, heaven, then more waters.

The "heavens" that He created is called "firmament" in KJV but refers only to that surrounding earth!
1st_cliff, Gen_1:8?

And God said, Let the waters (under the heaven) be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And (God called the dry land Earth,)

What about the waters above heaven?
Peace
---TheSeg on 3/2/13


Mark V,
When you speak of Christ, you use the phrases

"in His humanity" He knew or did such and such
and
"in His divinity" He knew or did such and such

You make it sound as if He was not both human and divine at the same time

That sounds similar to modalism. Do you believe that Jesus was human only part of the time, and Divine only part of the time?

Do you have any scripture verse that speaks in such terms as "in His humanity" or "in His divinity" ??
---James_L on 3/2/13


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David/Scott,

Even the liberal scholar Bart Ehrman recognises "[b]ecause the article is not repeated before Jesou (in 2 Pet 1:1), it would be natural to understand both 'our God' and 'Savior' in reference to Jesus." (Orthodox Corruption, p. 267). Brian Wright continues: "Ehrman recognises that one article with 2 nouns joined by kai refers to the same person, making Titus 2:13 an explicit reference to Jesus as theos."(Jesus as THEOS, p. 234)
---Marc on 3/2/13


Warwick, Allow me to clear up this whole space, universe, time etc. argument
Gen.1 is dealing solely with the earth and it's environs. The "heavens" that He created is called "firmament" in KJV but refers only to that surrounding earth!
Saying He created "all" things heaven and earth ,means only those things pertaining to our planet! Not the heaven where he is situated or angels or the universe that does not concern us. The nearest star is light years away and has nothing to do with us!
It's pretty pompous to imagine that we were 1st in this universe and 1st in time, Our interest should be here and the salvation provided so that we can enjoy life endlessly!
---1st_cliff on 3/2/13


David/Scott,

As Robert Bowman ('Titus 2:13 Revisited', JETS, 2008, p. 749) points out, there is a bookend pattern concerning Titus.
"the commandment of God our Saviour" (1:3)
"the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour" (1:4)
"the doctrine of God our Saviour" (2:10)
"our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ" (2:13)
"the love of God our Saviour" (3:4)
"Jesus Christ our Saviour (3:6)

"These similarities in syntax add another reason to think that "Jesus Christ" stands in apposition to "our great God and Savior."...Our great God and Savior" is best understood as having one referent, not two." (p. 750-1.)
---Marc on 3/2/13


"Meizon", John 14:28- Warwick

"Meizon" can mean "greater in nature" or "higher in position". Thayer, p. 395.

Thayer specifically lists John 14:28 under the heading of "those who surpass in nature and power, as God."


"My Father...is greater [meizon] than all..." Jhn 10:29

"The servant is not greater [meizon] than his lord..." Jhn 13:16

"Greater [meizon] love hath no man than this..." Jhn 15:13

"Christ...by a greater [meizon] and more perfect tabernacle..." Hbr 9:11

"Angels, which are greater [meizon] in power..." 2Pe 2:11

"My Father is greater [meizon] than I." Jhn 14:28
---scott on 3/2/13


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Cluny: Then said He unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come! Luke 17:1 (AKJV).
---Adetunji on 3/2/13


Those who strive to dethrone Jesus repeatedly bring up Scriptures which do not mean what they claim. John 14:28 "The Father is greater than I" is a common one. "greater" in Greek is 'meizon' which does not mean God is greater in substance but higher in position in heaven, as compared to Jesus who humbled Himself to be a servant on earth. If John had wished to say God is better/superior in substance than Jesus he would have used the Greek 'kreitton', Just as Hebrews 1:4 says Jesus is better/superior to the angels.

In our terms we would say the President of a country is greater (meizon) in his position than other people but he is not better/superior (kreitton) than other people as all humans are equal under the law.
---Warwick on 3/2/13


1Cliff, you said again:
"Jesus must be in error because it was He who said "My Father is greater than I"" Greater is not equal"
Jesus in His humanity was not in error when He said the Father was greater then Him. God the Father has no human body, which is weak as Jesus human body was. Jesus had a human soul and a human spirit just like you and me, He could feel pain. When He spoke He spoke from His humanity, not from His Divine nature. But you have to understand this things and believe them by faith. Otherwise you go around in circles making fun of the Lord when ever you have a chance.
---Mark_V. on 3/2/13


1st_cliff there a film called, What the bleep do we know.
You might want to take a look at it.
If you do, can you please tell me what you think of it?

Only because you said:
As soon as there is movement, time is involved. To move from point A to point B takes "time"
One might now say well maybe, but only because it sure looks that way.
Peace
---TheSeg on 3/1/13


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1. God is Father. God is Son. God is Holy Spirit: the GODHEAD.

2. God is One "what" (GODHEAD) & Three "whos" (co-equal Supreme Beings with self determined & distinctly different, agreed upon, roles): the TRINITY.

- The Father isn't the Son or Holy Spirit.
- The Son isn't the Father or Holy Spirit.
- The Holy Spirit isn't the Father or Son.
- Father, Son & Holy Spirit are co-equally GOD!

3. God the Son (WORD), at the pleasure of God the Father, via God the Holy Spirit, became flesh (was born a creature & yet remained God the Creator: Emmanuel)! Jesus lived amongst us, lived humanly without sinning. He then paid the price for our deliverance & salvation from sin.
---Leon on 3/1/13


Cliff, the problem is common to all as we are material beings in a material world, bound by time and space. Conversely God lives immaterially (Spirit) in an immaterial dimension. It is not that His dimension is different but that it bears no relation to ours. I did not say He is motionless, nor in a vacuum, as a vacuum is a created thing.

Creation had a beginning-Genesis 1:1, when all things created began. Colossians 1 shows Jesus created everything ever created, all things in heaven and earth. Angels being creatures were created by Him, during the 6 days of creation, as Exodus 20:11 confirms, that everything in the heavens and the earth was made in 6 days.

There was no light before God said "Let there be light."
---Warwick on 3/1/13


Scott, Jesus said "My Father is greater than I"
Do we believe Scott or Jesus? Don't give me that stuff that this was in His human form,because next you'll say He was 100% God and 100% man! Like all the other trinitarians!
---1st_cliff on 3/1/13


//I do not believe that all is equal in the Trinity.//
Born4883

correct is the sense - Father, Son, HS do have different characteristics and jobs in being the full embodyment of God. One persona is not greater than the other but they are different but in complete and perfect unity which is the meaning of trinity. Thus we can say, The Father did this, The Son did this, HS did this but we can also say God did this.
---Scott1 on 3/1/13


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Warwick,What you have explained here is your hypothesis ,not fact.
Saying that
God was motionless in a vacuum makes no sense.
As soon as there is movement, time is involved.To move from point A to point B takes "time"
Scripture does not indicate when the hundred million angels were created ,so the heavens must have existed!(which involves space)
Jesus said "my Father has "kept" working 'till now and I keep working!" (obviously working at creating the universe)
Even if the light sourse is motionless it's rays travel at 186,300 miles per second,This involves "time"
---1st_cliff on 3/1/13


\\1st_cliff & Cluny: The water God created on earth are always existing in these 3 forms, vapour, liquid and ice. At no time is any of these absent from/on the earth.
---Adetunji on 3/1/13\\

You obviously are missing the point I'm making. I was not talking about the water that was created when the earth was.

This is not a trick question or insult. Is English your first language?

To paraphrase what I said earlier, the same cup of water cannot be water, steam, and ice at the same time.

But God is ALWAYS Father, Son, and Holy Spirit at the same time.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/1/13


GOD is Three Persons. Those Three Persons are ONE just as a human father, mother and child(ren) are "ONE family". "ONE", as it pertains to GOD, has to do with Relation and Unity NOT quantity of Persons. And, GOD IS "Three Gods" but, they are ONE in Unification. They are so co-hesive and unified that they are as ONE. Man was made in GOD's Image. One aspect of that Image is when GOD designed a man and woman to marry and become as "ONE FLESH". The husband and wife are still two individual persons but, in GOD's Eyes, and by HIS Decree, they are "ONE". As, again, GOD decrees that a father, mother and child(ren) are "ONE', 'though they are three-or-more separate persons. As HE is Three-in-ONE.
---Gordon on 3/1/13


Cliff, before God created there was nothing created. In our terms nothing existed because other than being eternal He is immaterial. God does not live a material existence. God created even the space into which he placed the heavens and all that is in them. He created time as time does not exist in eternity, which is a complete absence of time. This material creation is space, matter and time. Just like the Trinity, three different inseparable things in one. Is there a perfect example of the Trinity? Of course not as we do not, and cannot understand anything of God's reality, other than that which He chooses to reveal. Could we understand it all if He revealed it to us? I don't think so. It would like trying to explain a computer to a worm!
---Warwick on 3/1/13


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1st_cliff & Cluny: The water God created on earth are always existing in these 3 forms, vapour, liquid and ice. At no time is any of these absent from/on the earth.
---Adetunji on 3/1/13


The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel, The Lord our God is one Lord!
There is only one, not two or even three!

The problem seems to be, no one can believe he can be in more than one at a time. Many people at the time witness the three, God the Father giving himself in Spirit to his Son. God in the form of the Holy Spirit showed you, Jesus Christ is equal to God in Spirit.

Now many will say see, he's equal to God, but not God!
Well, if Jesus Christ is not your God than, you have no savior! Why? Isa_43:11! If they don't believe this, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead!
Peace
---TheSeg on 3/1/13


Joh1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1Jo5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Mt3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Mt3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Three and One.
---trey on 2/28/13


Warwick, Without space matter or time the universe would not exist?
Matter came into existence when God created it,'till than it was just space.
You are one of those (I believe) that say God is outside of time? Did space exist before ,or after time was created?
Trying to get a logical explanation for trinity is the use of psychobabble ,smoke and mirrors like a spiritual David Copperfield! master illusionist!
God is indeed infinite, but even as dense as i am ,I understad who God is and His Son Jesus Christ! (without any "slight-of-hand")
---1st_cliff on 2/28/13


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For it is written: Go, baptize all nations in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. He said, in the Name, not in the Names. So, then, the Name of the Father is not one, that of the Son another, and that of the Holy Spirit another, for God is one, the Names are not more than one, for there are not two Gods, or three Gods.--Ambrose (AD 340-397)
---micha9344 on 2/28/13


1Cliff, you also say:
"Jesus must be in error because it was He who said "My Father is greater than I"" Greater is not equal"
Jesus in His humanity was not in error when He said the Father was greater then Him. God the Father has no human body, which is weak as Jesus human body was. Jesus had a human soul and a human spirit just like you and me, He could feel pain. When He spoke He spoke from His humanity, not from His Divine nature. But you have to understand this things and believe them by faith. Otherwise you go around in circles making fun of the Lord when ever you have a chance.
---Mark_V. on 2/28/13


In the totality of our universe all things can be placed in one of three categories-space, matter or time. No one would confuse space with matter or with time. They are three different things but make the one universe. Without any one of them the universe ceases to exist.

Why therefore is it difficult to accept that God is one in three persons-the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit? Have we become so arrogant that we can only accept what we can understand? The problem with this thinking is that our knowledge is finite while God is infinite therefore we understand very little.
---Warwick on 2/28/13


\\1st cliff: If Water(vapour), Water(liquid), Water(ice) do not confuse people why should God(Father), God(Son), God(Holy Spirit) be so confusing to people.
---Adetunji on 2/28/13\\

Nice try.

But remember that the same quantity of water cannot be ice, liquid, and gas at the same time.

Of course, as I keep on pointing out, God does not exist in time.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/28/13


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Atatunji, Water,vapor, and ice are "never" all three at the same time!

Cluny, Ask any teenager how many Gods are listed there!
If they say "one" then they have a math problem!
---1st_cliff on 2/28/13


1st cliff: If Water(vapour), Water(liquid), Water(ice) do not confuse people why should God(Father), God(Son), God(Holy Spirit) be so confusing to people.
---Adetunji on 2/28/13


\\God Is performing 3 aspects, The Father, The Son & The Holy Ghos\\

"Aspects" is precisely the wrong word to use here, as it's used in Sabellian modalism, which is not Christianity.

**Ask any 3 year old "How many Gods are wrtten here?"**

And as we all know, three year olds know more about life and other serious matters than adults do, especially adults who have studied them.

And any teen ager knows more than either three year olds or adults.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/28/13


Gordon, you know how to answer a question in a skillful manner. thanks for making it more clear than I could have done.
---shira4368 on 2/28/13


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Lawrence, I do beg to differ concerning the Names. There is not just one Name among the Triune GOD-Head. The Father and the Holy Spirit have Proper Names, just as the Son does. What is meant by the "only one Name" is that, for the Salvation of mankind there is only one Name that matters, that is the Name of the Son "JESUS" ("YAHUSHUA" in Hebrew). The Father's Name is "YAHUVEH"/"YAHWEH". And, the Son "YAHUSHUA" came to Earth in the Name of His Father, to do His Father's Will. The Son's Hebraic Name means "YAHUVEH is Salvation". The Holy Spirit is called "SHKHINYAH" which means the "The Dwelling Presence of GOD."
---Gordon on 2/28/13


NO.
God Is performing 3 aspects, The Father, The Son & The Holy Ghost. Jesus Christ Is His name. There is No other name given.

2nd.Cor.11 v 14 ( verse 15 talks about his ministers ) gave the light & inspiration for the triune god head teachings. That's why God put the family body of the trinity churches here Rev.17 v's 4 - 6, beginning with the first roman cath pope, the abominations of the earth. Such Good people but So spiritually impaired.
---Lawrence on 2/28/13


1Cliff, you say,

"A totally mixed up group of pagans!
God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit
Ask any 3 year old "How many Gods are wrtten here?"
Oh no skippy, there's only one here! It's spiritual math!"

Children do not understand much just like you right now. The Holy Spirit who is God, has to reveal it to you, it is spiritual undersanding, you are using your own understanding, that's why you don't belief. You see, but really don't see, you hear, but you really don't hear, you understand but you really don't understand spiritual things.
---Mark_V. on 2/28/13


Trey,**Any thought that Christ is not equal with God is in error**
Wrong!
Jesus must be in error because it was He who said "My Father is greater than I"" Greater is not equal!
---1st_cliff on 2/28/13


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Vely intelesting to see what e'erbody says about this foundational subject. I do believe that GOD is Three distinct Divine Persons. Each One is equal but fulfills different Roles within the GOD-Head, and yet, they are ONE in Spirit and in Will and in Goals. They relate to and LOVE One Another. They are FAMILY. The Father is the Ruler of that Divine Household, (I believe, anyhow). The Son is still KING of Kings. But, and yet, He EARNED it. YAHUSHUA (JESUS) has always been King, but, because of what He accomplished on Earth, in the Flesh, He is even MORE of a King.
---Gordon on 2/27/13


born4883, I do not agree with the statements you made. Please consider the following:

Php2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Php2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Phillipians 2:6 clearly states that Jesus Christ is equal with God. Any thought that Christ is not equal with God is in error.
---trey on 2/27/13


A totally mixed up group of pagans!
God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit
Ask any 3 year old "How many Gods are wrtten here?"
Oh no skippy, there's only one here! It's spiritual math!
It's like this, there's 3 but actually only one but 3 at the same time!All different, but actually all the same, Get it?
Ah.... No!
NB God is not the author of confusion!
---1st_cliff on 2/27/13


As you say, some people say this & others say that. I'd rather rely on what the HS says regardless of what others say. How about you? :)
---Leon on 2/27/13

"Agree completely but I do not know you."
---Scott1 on 2/27/13


That's okay Scott! You just need to know Jesus Christ as Savior & Lord (be born again), then avail yourself to being led in the knowledge of God's truth by God, the Holy Spirit.
---Leon on 2/27/13


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Is gold only what is found in dirt, or can gold be in the form of persons? And can gold be in melted form flowing to form into more and more persons?

Jesus is being formed in us > Galatians 4:19. Also, God's own love is flowing through us, "in our hearts" (Romans 5:5), while the Holy Spirit is forming into Jesus in us, like the water of a mother's blood can enter her womb and be formed into a wiggling squiggling giggling baby, all made by God from her liquid water. So, her baby is made of liquid mother! The baby, in a way then, is the baby's mother, but in a different form.

(c: So, you can have more than one Person of the same . . . love.
---willie_c: on 2/27/13


\\The only one GOD has manifested Himself to human-kind in 3 forms( Father-God who spoke to Israel from the Mount, God the Son that appeared in human flesh from Adam to Abraham to Joshua to many, and God the Holy Spirit that has been manifesting from creation till now).\\

And this way lies the heresy of Sabellian modalism if you're not careful.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/27/13


1. God is Father. God is Son. God is Holy Spirit: the GODHEAD.

2. God is One "what" (GODHEAD) & Three "whos" (co-equal Supreme Beings with self determined & distinctly different, agreed upon, roles): the TRINITY.

- The Father isn't the Son or Holy Spirit.
- The Son isn't the Father or Holy Spirit.
- The Holy Spirit isn't the Father or Son.
- Father, Son & Holy Spirit are co-equally GOD!

3. God the Son (WORD), at the pleasure of God the Father, via God the Holy Spirit, became flesh (was born a creature & yet remained God the Creator: Emmanuel)! Jesus lived amongst us, lived humanly without sinning. He then paid the price for our deliverance & salvation from sin.
---Leon on 2/27/13


Gen 1:26 (KJ21)
Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness

1 Cor 8:6
there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

1 Cor 12:3
no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, Jesus be cursed, and no one can say, Jesus is Lord, except by the Holy Spirit.

Deut 6:4 /Mk 12:29
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

Mk 12:32
Right. God is one and there is no other.

Deut 32:39
There is no god besides me.

Jn 10:30
I and the Father are one.

Mt 28:19
make disciples of all nations, baptizing in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit,
---bike4335 on 2/27/13


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"1 John 5:7- Need we say more?" trey

Actually...yes.

"The Comma Joanneum, 5:7-8 of the Vg. is missing in all Gk MSS except four later MSS and in the Oriental versions. It is quoted by no Church father before Priscillian (380). There is no doubt that it is a gloss on the preceding lines..." Dictionary of the Bible, 1965, p.445.

"[v]8. The famous interpolation after 'three witnesses' is not printed even in RSVn, and rightly. It cites the heavenly ...Father, the logos, and the Holy Spirit, but is never used in the early trinitarian controversies. No repectable Greek MS contains it. Appearing first in a late 4th cent. Latin text..." Peake's Commentary on the Bible, p.1038
---scott on 2/27/13


As you say, some people say this & others say that. I'd rather rely on what the HS says regardless of what others say. How about you? :)
---Leon on 2/27/13

Agree completely but I do not know you.
---Scott1 on 2/27/13


Scott1: In my view, HS coming down on the Lord Jesus Christ is to show us the way that we need the Holy Spirit to be upon us before we can please God. John described (John 3:34-36) the Lord Jesus as the full measure of the HS (i.e. God). Also the Lord Jesus talked about Himself and the HS in (John 16:14-16) that the HS operates from Him(i.e. God).
---Adetunji on 2/27/13


"Great verse Leon. But what is your interpretation of that verse? A lot of people use that verse & say Jesus was just a man until the HS came upon him, while others view that Jesus a God was able to do miracles once HS came down. Other views are that HS is a dove & there for not God. Please clarify when posting just a verse? Thanks"
---Scott1 on 2/27/13


God's word stands alone without anyone's private interpretation(s) Scott. Oftentimes Bible interpretations come from people who aren't born again. Likewise, interpretations come from people who aren't HS led.

As you say, some people say this & others say that. I'd rather rely on what the HS says regardless of what others say. How about you? :)
---Leon on 2/27/13


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Gordon, why not use the formula that Christians have used for centuries?

God is three Persons (hypostasis) in one Essence (ousia, substantia).

These theological formulas have been used by REAL theologians who knew the Bible, knew how to pray, and found the BEST words that human language provides to express the truth about truth about Him Who is Truth.

I will mention that formal theological terminology helps to exclude wrong or misleading ways that lead into dangerous and even soul-destroying error.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/27/13


"I do not believe that all is equal in the Trinity. All doctrines have their error.: born4883

"Error" in the Bible with regards to the doctrines taught by the prophets and Christ? If you seriously believe there are "errors", why on earth are you quoting from the Holy Bible? Doesn't that make you a hypocrite?

Trey showed you 1 John 5:7, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." Is this doctrine of the Trinity then in "error" of the One God made up of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit? What do you gather from "three are one"?
---christan on 2/27/13


The only one GOD has manifested Himself to human-kind in 3 forms( Father-God who spoke to Israel from the Mount, God the Son that appeared in human flesh from Adam to Abraham to Joshua to many, and God the Holy Spirit that has been manifesting from creation till now). It is possible that HE manifests Himself to animals, birds, sea creatures in different uncountable ways as well.
---Adetunji on 2/27/13


God manifest Himself in Three Persons. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. All have godly attributes. Period.
---Mark_V. on 2/27/13


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Great verse Leon. But what is your interpretation of that verse? A lot of people use that verse and say Jesus was just a man until the HS came upon him, while others view that Jesus a God was able to do miracles once HS came down. Other views are that HS is a dove and there for not God. Please clarify when posting just a verse? Thanks
---Scott1 on 2/27/13


God in three persons is a popular christian teaching and is regarded as orthodox and fundamental. I do not believe that all is equal in the Trinity. All doctrines have their error. Nonetheless, there are points for the Trinity.

Matthew 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

Gal 4:6
Because you are his sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, Abba, Father.

Scripturally the Father is greater than the son and the son did not consider equality with God something to be grasped and ONLY the Father knows when the second coming is. Blasphemies will be forgiven, except against the spirit.
---born4883 on 2/27/13


1John5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Need we say more?
---trey on 2/27/13


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