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What does James mean when is speaking of the "perfect law of liberty"? How can we have the law and liberty?

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Kathr, boy, this time you accuse me of all sorts of things that I have never said. But it is ok, it is coming from you. "For the carnal mind is at emmity against God" So I understand your behavior. The more you talk, the more you give proof who you really are. So I take into consideration that you cannot help who you are. You are only doing what your carnal mind desires to do.
You need Christ to have the perfect law of liberty, to release you from the bondage of sin.
---Mark_V. on 3/11/13


Leej, You still don't get that the LAW of Moses and the Prophets is what PAUL USED with Gentiles in Acts 28 to bring GENTILES LIKE YOURSELF to Christ. The SAME Law as we discussed on another blog that was TAUGHT and LEARNED by the JEWS to bring them to justifying faith.

We see in Hebrews that THIS EXACT subject is spelled out so everyone today can understand.

There is no more sacrifice for sin. The time of bulls and goats are over.

Sacrifices were made in the TEMPLE, but Jesus now is that TEMPLE. He made the once and FOR ALL sacrifice for sin.

Did you come to Jesus another way?

Jesus said to eat my flesh and drink my blood...those who came walked away. Many today walk away too, yet still believe in Jesus.
---kathr4453 on 3/11/13


Bro. Trey, thank you for your answer on (John 6:44). God has to draw man first to Himself. Then it says (v.45),
"It is written in the prophets, "And they (those drawn to God) shall all be taught by God," Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me" Pretty simple passages, and yet they are corrupted by free willers at the expense of the Truth.
---Mark_V. on 3/11/13


Acts 8:20_23 "But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.
Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity."

There is nothing about "eyes opened by God so that he can believe." there.
Simon was told to repent and pray God for forgiveness-not sight.
---Nana on 3/11/13


//again no one can come to Jesus unless they have first been TAUGHT and LEARNED first. Let's get that right.

And just how does one come to Jesus?

John 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up on the last day.

What you should have stated is that one can come to Jesus if and only if his eyes are opened by God so that he can believe.

Many hear the word of God, but are unable to believe and respond because they do not have eyes that can see.

2 Cor. 4:4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
---e.lee7537 on 3/10/13




Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And WHOSOEVER WILL, let him take the water of life freely.

WHOSOEVER WILL, this means that it is open to EVERYONE to use his FREE WILL to come
---francis on 3/10/13


Markv, again no one can come to Jesus unless they have first been TAUGHT and LEARNED first. Let's get that right.

Since you were never TAUGHT anything first, objecting to Jesus words that MOSES spoke of Jesus. If they didn't believe Moses, why would they believe Him.

You openly admit, along with cursing, the issue concerning how the LAW and Prophets,was a schoolmaster, Paul used in Acts 28 to Gentiles no less to bring them to Christ.

You have exposed yourself as a cult Markv.
---kathr4453 on 3/10/13


Markv and Christan, when you finally get it through your head that God DID NOT SAY to Rebekah, "inside your womb is two souls, one for eternal election, and one to eternal damnation, then you just MIGHT get it. But satan has blinded your eyes to the very words of Scripture...."inside your womb are TWO NATIONS.

God didn't come to save NATIONS, but individuals, one soul at a time.

And we clearly SEE, The NATION Israel was not saved as a whole. God's ELECT NATION rejected Jesus Christ.

One day THE NATION will be saved. Not sure how many individuals within the NATION will be saved. Scripture says about 1/3. 2/3's will perish. Zechariah 12-14.
---kathr4453 on 3/10/13


---Rod4Him on 3/10/13
I never said that the new moon was the tree of life. Here is what I said:
"The new moon is a reminder of the Tree of Life,"

Here are two of the three scriptures

Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Revelation 22:2.. the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month:

Those who are saved will come/ go to Jerusalem to eat from the tree of life. The tree of life gives her fruit every month, the new moon is the new month.

Currently, our months are arbituarly decided, but God is a God of order, His month starts with the New Moon
---francis on 3/10/13


" If you choose Christ out of your own free will, that means Jesus is doing your will, saving you. I do not belief you even think what you are saying."
There you go trying to think again, 'I do not belief'!

With your logic (fuzzy), if you are drowning and a man trow you a line by which you could come to safety by grabbing unto it, that means that you saved yourself?
Basically you are saying that you are the author of your salvation unless you get harpooned and yanked out of the water.
---Nana on 3/10/13




Kathr, after you make all those corrupt speech's about man's free will you conclude your whole mess with,

"Jesus came "to do " the will of God."

Who's will did Jesus come to do? The will of God. Not your own free will. If you choose Christ out of your own free will, that means Jesus is doing your will, saving you. I do not belief you even think what you are saying.
Jesus came to do the will of God not your will. For no one can come to Christ unless they are drawn by God to Himself first. It has nothing whatsoever to do with your free will.
---Mark_V. on 3/10/13


francis, your verses make to connect to the new moon.

This was supposed to say, "your verses make no connection to the new moon being the Tree of Life."

I wish it did, it would make a great connect.

I must have been tired. :)
---Rod4Him on 3/10/13


francis, your verses make to connect to the new moon.

In addition anyone can make the Bible say anything they want by jumping from verse to verse and taking part of verses.

For example, "..and he went away and hanged himself. ...and he who has food is to do likewise."

//You realise the doctrine of the "free-will of man" is in opposition to the doctrine of "God's will"?//

Only in your own mind. Besides I was talking about the timing of the moon, and you can only see "election."
---Rod4Him on 3/10/13


-----You realise the doctrine of the "free-will of man" is in opposition to the doctrine of "God's will"?
---christan on 3/8/13

No it doesn't Christan. Only an unregenerate mind taught by Calvin would spout such ignorance.

God is not "WILLING "( GOD'S WILL) that any should perish. In other words He didn't WILL IT.

You really need to obey Romans 12: 1-2 to even claim you know God's will, much less DO IT.

But obedience that makes you accountable to do anything at all is not even in your vocabulary, much less belief system.

Jesus came "to do " the will of God.
It took TOTAL SURRENDER of His own will to "Do It".
---kathr4453 on 3/9/13


Scripture please...
---Rod4Him on 3/7/13
Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Revelation 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, [was there] the tree of life, which bare twelve [manner of] fruits, [and] yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree [were] for the healing of the nations.


Numbers 28:14 And their drink offerings shall be half an hin of wine unto a bullock, and the third [part] of an hin unto a ram, and a fourth [part] of an hin unto a lamb: this [is] the burnt offering of every month throughout the months of the year
---francis on 3/8/13


"Life works on His time-table, not ours." Rod4Him

What hypocrisy! You believe in the "free-will" and you dare say "Life works on His time-table, not ours."???? Hello? You realise the doctrine of the "free-will of man" is in opposition to the doctrine of "God's will"?
---christan on 3/8/13


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//The new mon is a reminder of the Tree of Life, while the Sabbath is a memorial of God as creator//

Scripture please...actually God put the "lights" in the sky for signs. The moon tells when the festivals happen and is a reminder that God is the great time keeper. Life works on His time-table, not ours.

One of my points was that you pick to quote verses, in this case Ezekiel, and you only take a part of the verse you like...that is horrible exegesis. If you throw out one part of the verse, it is not right to use the other part for your purpose to promote your church's doctrine. Just stick with the 10 and throw the rest of the Bible out.

Shabbat Shalom...people start their Shabbat weekend on Thursday night here.
---Rod4Him on 3/7/13


Trey: In answer to your question:

"How can we have the law and liberty?"

Liberty resides in the keeping of the law, because breaking the law is sin, and sin is bondage. To be free, one must be freed from the bondage of sin by the power of God in keeping the Ten Commandments.

Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.


---jerry6593 on 3/8/13


What does James mean when is speaking of the "perfect law of liberty"? How can we have the law and liberty?
---trey on 2/28/13
Here is James's reference

Psalms 119:44 So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever.

Psalms 119:45 And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.

Those who keep the law are not under the bondage of sin

Think o fit this way, those who are free to walk about in any society are those who are law abising citizens.

those who are free from the bondage of sin, are those who keep the law of God, thus it is called the law of liberty
---francis on 3/7/13


Are you being consistent and worshiping "in the new moons?"

---Rod4Him on 3/7/13
New moons are the new months.

While the ten commandments does not command the new moon, it does command the sbabath.

I will go as far as to say that new moons are liek sackcloth, no commandments to do them

We do have new months all the time

The new mon is a reminder of the Tree of Life, while the Sabbath is a memorial of God as creator

Both New moon and Sabbath will be with us forever
New moon is the time to go to NJ ( no not that one) to eat from the tree of life

Good question though
---francis on 3/7/13


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---e.lee7537 on 3/6/13
got to church every single day if possible, but:
Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

The problem isn't going to church on sunday. The problem is that those who choose to go to church on sunday usually do not keep the sabbath day holy.

If you choose to go to church on sunday and not keep the sabbath day holy, then there is ABSOLUTLY NO SPIRITUAL BENEFITS in it at all

Mark 7:6-7 This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Sunday as sabbath, lord's day, is COMMANDMENT OF MAN and not God, it is VAIN, you get nothing from it
---francis on 3/7/13


//Ezekiel 46:3 the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before the LORD in the sabbaths and in the new moons.//

Are you being consistent and worshiping "in the new moons?"
There is one coming up on the 12th or 13th, probably the 13th. A very important one as it sets which day passover will be on, according to the Bible. That is if aviv is found. :)
---Rod4Him on 3/7/13


Rod4Him //That's why it hard to have a "discussion" with them because they are really promoting their denomination.
---
It really goes back to the mentality that some have had in previous centuries, namely that ones salvation lies within a denomination.

Christians realize that our salvation is in Christ, not in our denominational membership.

---e.lee7537 on 3/7/13


---e.lee7537 on 3/6/13
1: Worship on sabbath

Ezekiel 46:1 Thus saith the Lord GOD, The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six working days, but on the sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the new moon it shall be opened.

Ezekiel 46:3 the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before the LORD in the sabbaths and in the new moons.

Leviticus 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation,

Acts 13:42 the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
---francis on 3/7/13


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//Adventists on the other [hand] believe that one oberves the Sabbath by having communal worship on Saturdays.//

This is the bottom-line of their discussion here. The discussion really isn't about what the Bible says...the Bible is the red-herring in the discussion. That's why it hard to have a "discussion" with them because they are really promoting their denomination.
---Rod4Him on 3/6/13


Mr. Seg (Or may I call you The?): "But one, should be able to see that the Saturday Sabbath, and the Day your Lord God Rested. Clearly are not the same days!"

The Bible says you are wrong!

Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments, and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Luk 24:1-3 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre. And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.

So the disciples and Jesus rested on the Sabbath day - NOT Sunday.



---jerry6593 on 3/7/13


shira4368//why does some believe you can't travel or do anything on the Sabbath? it borders on legalism. I do observe the Sabbath every sunday.
---
And just how do you observe the Sabbath? Simply go to church? That is basically what the Adventists have made of the Sabbath.

The original intent to the Sababth was strictly a day of rest from common labor. But by the time of Christ, it was associated with all kinds of do's and dont's.

Praise God, observing any day as holy was not mandated to the Church. One cannot find a single command or even a hint of a command to observe any day in the New Covenant.
---e.lee7537 on 3/7/13


why does some believe you can't travel or do anything on the Sabbath? it borders on legalism. I do observe the Sabbath every sunday.
---shira4368 on 3/6/13


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//If you want to know what is allowed on the sabbath, it is in the bible.//

Yep, it sure is! NO lighting to cook your food on the Sabbath, no traveling and you need to stay at home on the Sabbath.

Adventists on the other believe that one oberves the Sabbath by having communal worship on Saturdays.

They cannot conceive of the fact that observing the Sabbath on Saturday gives one about the same benefit as doing it on Sundays, the Lord's Day.

Since the Bible is very clear that the Church need not observe the Sabbath, they have made Ellen White's writings authoritative.

I can see why one of my ministers has called Adventism, liken to a broken spock in a wheel.
---e.lee7537 on 3/6/13


TheSeg on 3/6/13
Hebrews 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

This Jesus is not a reference to the Messiah, but to Joshua who led israel into the promise land

Joshua 21:44 And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers:

If this rest was the sabbath of God, Joshua would not have spoken of another sabbath day

Joshua 22:5 But take diligent heed to do the commandment and the law, which Moses the servant of the LORD charged you, to love the LORD your God, and to walk in all his ways, and to keep his commandments, and to cleave unto him, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul.
---francis on 3/6/13


//If you want to know what is allowed on the sabbath, it is in the bible.//

Come on...that's a cop-out.

Why don't you leave the whole topic of Sabbath like that?
---Rod4Him on 3/6/13


//If observance of the Jewish Sabbath was applicable to the church, then we would most certainly see something of it in the Epistles as well as taught in the early church but we do not.//

Actually, I think the proof should be upon those who think it got changed, not the other way around.
---Rod4Him on 3/6/13


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Jerry, please, give us all a break for a change. Now you say,
"God went to a great deal of trouble to re-educate the Israelites on exactly which day He had made holy".
Poor God, He had a lot of trouble getting the Israelites to hear Him.
Don't you understand yet that God is the One who gives a heart to perceive and eyes to see and ears to hear? The SDA's are in the same boat. God has not given you guys a heart to perceive, eyes to see and ears to hear to this very day. His been talking but you are not listening just like the Israelites who are still under the Law just like you guys.
---Mark_V. on 3/6/13


---Rod4Him on 3/5/13
1: God commanded the sabbath, not man. What man has done is teach thier own doctrine which God calls vanity

Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.

2: If you want to know what is allowed on the sabbath, it is in the bible.
---francis on 3/6/13


What does James mean when is speaking of the "perfect law of liberty"? How can we have the law and liberty?

Freedom from sin is God's law to bring about our perfect restoration.

The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus sets us free from the law of sin and death. -Romans 8:2.
---jan4378 on 3/6/13


TheSeg, Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God:

Even though I honor no, weekday!
The Saturday Sabbath and the Day the Lord God, Rested!
Are not the same day!

For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

Now you can bamboozle your way into the heart of men.
Making them believe these days are one and the same day!
But one, should be able to see that the Saturday Sabbath, and the Day your Lord God Rested. Clearly are not the same days!
Peace
---TheSeg on 3/6/13


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Samuelbb7 //Interesting lee that you say no verse says for the Church to keep Sabbath. No verse says for the church to meet on Sunday.

That is exactly my point. There is NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING in the whole of the Bible that teaches that the Church needs observe any day as holy.

It is by that tradition established late in the first century that the church meets for communal worship. We can easily see that from church history.

If observance of the Jewish Sabbath was applicable to the church, then we would most certainly see something of it in the Epistles as well as taught in the early church but we do not.
---e.lee7537 on 3/6/13


//What day ( or what) is your sabbath, and where in the in the bible, or in your denomination statements of beliefs can I see it?//

I don't have a denomination, nor does one have me.

//Exodus 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work://

That's it?! Can one fix meals, wash dishes, make the bed, go to a park and climb a mountain, fix a leak? Who decides what constitutes "work?" Just don't "go to work," that's it? and we are in...God now loves us and is happy with us?

BTW, notice I haven't told if I honor the Shabbat.

Of all the things one could talk about, pride, humility, forgiving, asking for forgiveness, making restitution, how to love one's neighbor, how to walk in the Spirit...
---Rod4Him on 3/5/13


---Nana on 3/5/13
Where can I find your denominations teaching on the sabbath?

---e.lee7537 on 3/5/13
I have already seen OPC teaching on sabbath.
Daniel 7:23 The fourth beast shall think to change times and laws: (NOT JESUS)

---TheSeg on 3/5/13
Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God:


---Mark_Eaton on 3/5/13
It is not YOUR sabbath, not Jewish sabbath, not christian sabbath. It is:
Exodus 20:10 "the sabbath of the LORD thy God:"

It is based on one thing:
Exodus 20:11 in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and rested the seventh day:

So you must admit that what you have in Sunday is your own sabbath and NOT the sabbath of the Lord
---francis on 3/6/13


Your correct Trey, the law and liberty do NOT go together.

There are some here on CN who are like those described in Gal 2:4. They seek to lure others away from their liberty in Christ and back into bondage to the law instead.

Gal 5:1 says we should stand fast in our liberty in Christ and be NOT entangled with the yoke of bondage/Law.
We do this by continuing to believe in Jesus. In this way we are a doer of the word.

BUT, those here preaching the law/10c are forgetful hearers who forget what manner of man they were when they first believed in Jesus, James 1:22-24. Such people are under the law as they do not BRIDLE their evil tongue, James 1:26, James 3:8-16 in judging according to the law.
---Haz27 on 3/6/13


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The perfect LAW of Liberty, is that YOU, if you obeyed Romans 6, have been set FREE, AKA Liberty, from SIN.

The perfect Law of LIBERTY one MUST live Galatians 2:20-21. And Philippians 3.

Now of you want to live under the Law of Moses, you are admitting YOU were never set free from the POWER of Sin, and must live under it in BONDAGE. Bondage is the opposite of LIBERTY.

Those who are under the Law of Moses are in BONDAGE to sin and death still to this day. You are not being changed from Glory to Glory by the Spirit of The Lord.**** 2 Corinthians 3
---kathr4453 on 3/6/13


Mark E: "Therefore, I am free to make the Sabbath any day I wish, and I gladly make it Sunday."

Oh really! Can YOU make a day holy? Can any man? If you can, then you are your own god. Good luck with that.

God went to a great deal of trouble to re-educate the Israelites on exactly which day He had made holy. For 40 years HE withheld manna on HIS Sabbath day. Jesus (being God) reaffirmed the correct day by His habitual Sabbath observance (Luk 4:16). The U.S. Naval Observatory has confirmed that the Sabbath day (Saturday) has not changed since the time of Christ.

This is the honest truth. Why would anyone prefer a lie over the truth?



---jerry6593 on 3/6/13


A young friend of mine came to me a while back frustrated with his new girlfriend. She is of another denomination. He was frustrated that she could not see the scriptures the way we understand them. I reminded him:

Acts16:14 And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul.

Luke24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

Unless the Lord opens our understanding none of us can understand his word.
---trey on 3/6/13


Interesting lee that you say no verse says for the Church to keep Sabbath. No verse says for the church to meet on Sunday.

The disagreement is not about does the Bible tell the church to keep Sabbath. But how much of the Bible is written to the church. For if the whole Bible is written to the church the there are lots of verses that say to keep Sabbath.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

The Bible says all scripture is for the church. JESUS kept Sabbath so I will follow Him.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/5/13


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francis,

With all due respect, I do not observe any day specifically. I also eat pork chops for which you and jerry laid on me
some abomination and mouse eating behind the trees in the forest verses awhile back. In that I am not with you but I stand by
what I said, that I agree with "Converted, Wise and enlightened" as proved by the verses I quoted.
---Nana on 3/5/13


//The bible does not say that saturday is the sabbath
This is what it sayd:
Exodus 20:10 the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God

And have you ever read any of the preceding verses?

Exodus 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
I guess Francis did the mud while Jerry did the straw in making them thar bricks.

Adventists like to make believe they are the Hebrews that were in bondage in Egypt.

They cannot point to a single verse in the whole Bible that commands or even hints that the church needs observe the OT Sabbath.
---e.lee7537 on 3/5/13


francis, where in the bible does it say Saturday is the Sabbath.
---shira4368 on 3/5/13

The bible does not say that saturday is the sabbath
This is what it sayd:
Exodus 20:10 the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God

Are you convinced that sunday is the 7th day of the week?

Here is what the NT says:
Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first [day] of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

If you are using sunday because it was resurrection day, be advised that sunday is the 1st day of the week the dya after the 7th based on scripture PLUS no scripture says Sunday or 1st day is sabbath. So where did you ge tthat from?
---francis on 3/5/13


Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Genesis 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

God has just said on the seventh day God ended his work!
Where is the word Sabbath?

Joh 5:16 and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the Sabbath day.
Joh 5:17 My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
Joh 5:19 but what he seeth the Father do

Yet, you see him working on the Sabbath.
But, do you see him at rest?
Peace
---TheSeg on 3/5/13


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What day ( or what) is your sabbath, and where in the in the bible, or in your denomination statements of beliefs can I see it?
---francis on 3/5/13

I have posted this before but will repeat for your benefit.

Mark 2:27 "Jesus said to them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath".

The Sabbath was made for me and for my benefit. In this way, it serves me and I do not serve it. Therefore, I am free to make the Sabbath any day I wish, and I gladly make it Sunday.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/5/13


francis, where in the bible does it say Saturday is the Sabbath. I know what the bible says about the Sabbath but prove it is Saturday.
---shira4368 on 3/5/13


Im convinced that sunday is the Sabbath just like you are convinced Saturday is the Sabbath. ---shira4368 on 3/5/13

Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Genesis 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

are you also convinced that sunday is the 7th day?
Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God
---francis on 3/5/13


Every Christian denomination keeps "A" sabbath.

In my Denomination, the SDA church, we believe that:
Genesis 2:2 on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all hia his work which God created and made

Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God

--shira4368--christan--Scott1--TheSeg--Rod4Him--Mark_V.--e.lee7537--willie_c:--Josef ---Nana --jerry6593:

What day ( or what) is your sabbath, and where in the in the bible, or in your denomination statements of beliefs can I see it?
---francis on 3/5/13


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Im convinced that sunday is the Sabbath just like you are convinced Saturday is the Sabbath. I have been going to church on sundays for 74 years, I don't think I will change now nor do I intend to change.
---shira4368 on 3/5/13


---shira4368 on 3/4/13
Did I post the blog question?
Whynot address your issue to the one who posted the question?
Why not just ingore the whole blog?

...keeping the Sabbath, what are the rules so one knows if they kept the Sabbath or not?
---Rod4Him on 3/4/13
Exodus 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:


---Mark_V. on 3/5/13
Are you convinced that Sunday is the 7th day?
---francis on 3/5/13


Francis likes to pitch the law since he really truly believes one is saved by obedience to laws,especially the Jewish Sabbath.

While he will deny that, he is contradicted by the Adventist Investigative Judgment theory- a belief based totally upon how well one observed the law.

He will say salvation is a gift to be receive by grace, but then tell us that we have to earn it.

One characteristics of those in cults is that they are all too often confused and spread their confusion to those that know little of the Bible or its Author.
---e.lee7537 on 3/5/13


here we go with the law again. I worship 7 days a week but meet with believers on sunday to worship even more. francis, I wish you would talk about something else like salvation, Christ dying for our sin or maybe even grace. after all we are under grace and not the law.
---shira4368 on 3/4/13


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...keeping the Sabbath, what are the rules so one knows if they kept the Sabbath or not?
---Rod4Him on 3/4/13


francis, you really do not have any spiritual understanding. Every subject you speak of you bring more false teachings. You first tell me, when did I speak for salvation by works? And everyday you speak of the law. Here you give:
"Exodus 20:10 the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: ( NOT SUNDAY, NOT JESUS, NOT ANY DAY, THE LAW IS VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT THAT)". You even say, "the Law is very specific" instead of God is very specific. That is how messed up your mind is. And what do you give?
another law given to Israel. The last time I checked, I was still a born again Latino from Texas. Why would I want to follow their cue? They are still not saved. It has gotten them and you nothing.
---Mark_V. on 3/5/13


James 1:25 whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image,
Exodus 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain,
Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day,
Exodus 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother:
Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Exodus 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Exodus 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness
Exodus 20:17 Thou shalt not covet

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments,
---francis on 3/5/13


Markie: "The Spirit speaks to my conscience and my conscience is very well pleased"

Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.



---jerry6593 on 3/5/13


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The answer is nothing if you are talking about Saturday Sabbath. I keep Sunday ,
---Mark_V. on 3/4/13

NEWS FLASH

1 John 3:4 sin is the transgression of the law

Romans 7:7 I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Exodus 20:10 the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: ( NOT SUNDAY, NOT JESUS, NOT ANY DAY, THE LAW IS VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT THAT)

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death,

Hebrews 10:26 if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
---francis on 3/4/13


francis, Nana agrees with your statement only because he too believes in salvation by works of the law. He now says,
---Mark_V. on 3/4/13

Well, when have you seen me post salvation by works,

Nana agrees with me because that is what THE BIBLE SAYS:

Psalms 19:7 The law of the LORD [is] perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD [is] sure, making wise the simple.

MEANING: the law of the lordf is perfect, causing a person to change the intent and thoughts of his heart
---francis on 3/4/13


francis, you say to me now,

"what do you think will happen to you for not keeping the sabbath?"

The answer is nothing if you are talking about Saturday Sabbath. I keep Sunday as my day of worship at Church, but worship Christ everyday as I said, I don't have to be reminded what day. Second, the Sabbath does not have a yoke on me. I am free from the Law. But I do go to Church on Sunday's to worship with those who work all week and meet on Sundays. We also worship on Tuesdays and Thursdays at the same place. My wife and I worship everyday at home. So I don't live by the Law as you do. The Spirit speaks to my conscience and my conscience is very well pleased.
---Mark_V. on 3/4/13


Mark V I noticed that you did not allow Frances to bait you into name calling. Good for you sir:o)
"Christians are not reminded when to worship, The Lord is our rest. We are in Christ, every single second of the day. He rules our heart, not any letter of the Law." True that.
As Jesus told the Samaritan, "Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father. "But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such to worship Him." John 4:20-23. It is not the place or time that matters, It is the Motive, and who influences and empowers that motive.
---Josef on 3/4/13


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francis, Nana agrees with your statement only because he too believes in salvation by works of the law. He now says,
"francis, I agree with "Converted, Wise and enlightened".
"Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine,"

The problem with your answer is found in (v.1) if you can hear. Only the His sheep hear His voice and follow Him. The rest do not hear. So that passage is only good for those who hear, those who are saved already, born of the Spirit.
Spiritual hearing comes from God when the Father draws you to Himself.
---Mark_V. on 3/4/13


---Mark_V. on 3/4/13
they did not keep the sabbath and look at what it got them

Ezekiel 20:13 But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: and my sabbaths they greatly polluted: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them.

Chronicles 36:21 To fulfil the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah, until the land had enjoyed her sabbaths: for as long as she lay desolate she kept sabbath, to fulfil threescore and ten years

Nehemiah 13:18 Did not your fathers thus, and did not our God bring all this evil upon us, and upon this city? yet ye bring more wrath upon Israel by profaning the sabbath

what do you think will happen to you for not keeping the sabbath?
---francis on 3/4/13


And who is he that keeps my commandments. He who keeps the Law!
But, who is he that fulfills the law, he that loves his brother.
Rom_13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Rom_2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee, Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way, first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

Not only does loving God and your brother fulfill the law
There is no other (commandment greater than these!)
Peace
---TheSeg on 3/4/13


francis,

I agree with "Converted, Wise and enlightened".

"Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them,/b>, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:" (See James 1:25) also "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."

"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love, ..."

Proverbs 1.

"Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father."

The "perfect law of liberty" is the Word of God.
---Nana on 3/4/13


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francis, you now say,
"If you kept the commandments of God you would be: Converted, Wise and enlightened"
Israel kept Saturday Sabbath, and what did it get them? nothing. They had to be reminded when to worship the Lord just like the SDA's. Christians are not reminded when to worship, The Lord is our rest. We are in Christ, every single second of the day. He rules our heart, not any letter of the Law. You can keep fighting for Saturday Sabbath all your life, but it will not bring you salvation. A person is saved by the grace of God through faith, and not by works so that no one can boast. Everyday you are boasting, repent and be converted.
---Mark_V. on 3/4/13


"Psalms 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul:"
Why convert the soul, when you say the soul dies when the person physically dies?
---Mark_V. on 3/3/13

My only response to you is IDIOT!!!

If you kept the commandments of God you would be: Converted, Wise and enlightened

Try these:
Psalms 51:13 Then will I teach transgressors thy ways, and sinners shall be converted unto thee.

Matthew 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.


Luke 22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
---francis on 3/3/13


francis, you now give a passage that you really twist with other statements you make. you gave,
"Psalms 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul:"
Why convert the soul, when you say the soul dies when the person physically dies? Does the law convert the soul so that it can sleep when the physical body dies?Converted to what and for what reason?
---Mark_V. on 3/3/13


Trey he is speaking of our complete freedom from the yokes of bondage that binds us as we abide in the Christ, and the truth of His principles.
The perfect law of liberty? This is the precept, or law if you will.
In the words of Jesus "If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed. I will walk at liberty, For I seek [His] precepts." Among other things, Jesus came, "To proclaim liberty to the captives, And the opening of the prison to [those who are] bound. [therefore] speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty." Jhn 8:31,32,36>Psa.119:45>Isa 61:1
---Josef on 3/2/13


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What does James mean when is speaking of the "perfect law of liberty"? How can we have the law and liberty?
---trey on 2/28/13

Psalms 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: .

Psalms 119:44 So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever. And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts

James is drawing from psalms
---francis on 3/1/13


Not all laws are verbal. There are laws of spiritual nature.

There is "the law of sin and death" (Romans 8:2), that sin degrades a person away from being alive in God's love (1 Timothy 5:6, 2 Timothy 3:13).

"the law of faith" (Romans 3:27), that someone "one spirit with God" (1 Corinthians 6:17) will be effected by "faith working through love" (Galatians 5:6) to become more loving like Jesus (1 John 4:17-18) "in this world".

So, I consider that "the perfect law of liberty" involves how Jesus being "formed in you" (Galatians 4:19) will make you "free indeed" (John 8:36) > freely loving, with almighty immunity against this world's sin-sick things.
---willie_c: on 3/1/13


To understand God's law is to believe that He's Holy, Holy, Holy and in Him is 100% perfection - that is, sinless.

When the converted sinner looks at His law, they will know how sinful they are before God and deserving of His wrath, which is death. Because of His grace and mercy through His gift of faith, they will repent and turn to His Son for salvation - "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."

Jesus is the ONLY one who can "set the sinner free" from the gates of hell through faith in Him. Hence, "the perfect law of liberty".
---christan on 3/1/13


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